Comments on: Paging Michael Moore: Brits flee socialized healthcare http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/ news and commentary from a conservative perspective Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:33:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: macerenn http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-166238 macerenn Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:01:25 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-166238 Ahem... The UK's problem isn't necessarily that they <em>try</em> to provide <em>free</em> healthcare... It's <strong>not</strong> free. It is paid for by the VAT. I have a close friend that is from the UK (and India, a dual citizen). He was here studying medicine at the time, when he explained what the medical community in the UK can't say due to the liberal media ... Here is 90% of the problem: immigration. For instance, it seems that a LOT of AIDS victims from Africa find ways to get into the UK, illegally, where they immediately claim refugee status, claiming that due to their AIDS they are persecuted in their home country and will surely die if forced to return. They are given an apartment, an income (without working, since they are not authorized to work while waiting for the system to decide to let them stay or not), and FREE HEALTHCARE. Add to that all of the members of the Islamic invasion from the middle east that participate in their underworld economy, thus not paying the VAT, yet still get free healthcare, and the stage is set for disaster. (Underworld economy? according to Mehul, my friend, they have Muslim-operated stores and services that don't charge the VAT to other Muslims... hush-hush...) But I digress... Free healthcare... It would actually work, if everybody did their part. But then again, communism would actually work if everybody did their part, but they won't and we all know it. Besides, taking the profit out of healthcare stifles innovation which means that a lot of the major breakthroughs in medicine will not occur if pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, researchers, and doctors are expected to give it away for (next to) nothing. Ahem… The UK’s problem isn’t necessarily that they try to provide free healthcare… It’s not free. It is paid for by the VAT. I have a close friend that is from the UK (and India, a dual citizen). He was here studying medicine at the time, when he explained what the medical community in the UK can’t say due to the liberal media … Here is 90% of the problem: immigration. For instance, it seems that a LOT of AIDS victims from Africa find ways to get into the UK, illegally, where they immediately claim refugee status, claiming that due to their AIDS they are persecuted in their home country and will surely die if forced to return. They are given an apartment, an income (without working, since they are not authorized to work while waiting for the system to decide to let them stay or not), and FREE HEALTHCARE. Add to that all of the members of the Islamic invasion from the middle east that participate in their underworld economy, thus not paying the VAT, yet still get free healthcare, and the stage is set for disaster. (Underworld economy? according to Mehul, my friend, they have Muslim-operated stores and services that don’t charge the VAT to other Muslims… hush-hush…) But I digress… Free healthcare… It would actually work, if everybody did their part. But then again, communism would actually work if everybody did their part, but they won’t and we all know it. Besides, taking the profit out of healthcare stifles innovation which means that a lot of the major breakthroughs in medicine will not occur if pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, researchers, and doctors are expected to give it away for (next to) nothing.

]]> By: The Dead Fish Wrapper Watch http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-160286 The Dead Fish Wrapper Watch Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:14:25 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-160286 <strong>British Flee Socialized Health Care To Get Good Care Elsewhere...</strong> As those who have read the Fish Wrapper for any amount of time know, universal health care is one of the favorite socialist topics they like to promote. After all, wouldn't it be great if we could pay higher taxes to have the government provide all o... British Flee Socialized Health Care To Get Good Care Elsewhere…

As those who have read the Fish Wrapper for any amount of time know, universal health care is one of the favorite socialist topics they like to promote. After all, wouldn’t it be great if we could pay higher taxes to have the government provide all o…

]]> By: GaijinBob http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-159188 GaijinBob Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:42:56 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-159188 Regarding life expectancy in the U.S., well, you know what they say: there are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics. John Stossel covered that in an <a href="http://jewishworldreview.com/0807/stossel082207.php3" rel="nofollow">August 2007 article</a>. Basically, if you can avoid living in a gang-banger neighborhood and avoid distracted driving (hang up and drive!), you can generally expect a higher lifespan than most other industrialized nations. (Normally I regard him as a trusted source, but I do wish he would provide a source for his facts in this case.) Regarding life expectancy in the U.S., well, you know what they say: there are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics. John Stossel covered that in an August 2007 article. Basically, if you can avoid living in a gang-banger neighborhood and avoid distracted driving (hang up and drive!), you can generally expect a higher lifespan than most other industrialized nations. (Normally I regard him as a trusted source, but I do wish he would provide a source for his facts in this case.)

]]> By: TMoney http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-159027 TMoney Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:04:43 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-159027 Living longer isn't nearly as important as living better and independently. Living longer isn’t nearly as important as living better and independently.

]]> By: englishqueen01 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-159018 englishqueen01 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:40:00 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-159018 <blockquote>There has been many posts on this site from conservatives saying they are stuck with massive bills, despite having insurance. Health insurance in this country doesn’t cover everything (unless you are very wealthy) and there are plenty of middle class families with medical bills they have no hope of ever paying off.</blockquote> Not true. I have bills from my son's birth - some from a major screw-up with my HR department that didn't file paperwork until May (son was born in March). I pay off the bills in small increments ($5-$10 bi-weekly). The hospitals - save one - accept this, and the one that isn't is violating laws with regards to collection of debt (according to my attorney). It will take a while, but it can be done. It requires discipline and sacrifice (i.e. - we eat out less, budget better, etc.) I'd much rather send in those payments that have the government tell me there are no beds for my newborn, as they recently did to a mother in Canada. Or worse yet, to have the government tell me I should be sterilized or something for having "too many" children...

There has been many posts on this site from conservatives saying they are stuck with massive bills, despite having insurance. Health insurance in this country doesn’t cover everything (unless you are very wealthy) and there are plenty of middle class families with medical bills they have no hope of ever paying off.

Not true. I have bills from my son’s birth – some from a major screw-up with my HR department that didn’t file paperwork until May (son was born in March).

I pay off the bills in small increments ($5-$10 bi-weekly). The hospitals – save one – accept this, and the one that isn’t is violating laws with regards to collection of debt (according to my attorney). It will take a while, but it can be done. It requires discipline and sacrifice (i.e. – we eat out less, budget better, etc.)

I’d much rather send in those payments that have the government tell me there are no beds for my newborn, as they recently did to a mother in Canada. Or worse yet, to have the government tell me I should be sterilized or something for having “too many” children…

]]> By: palani http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-158906 palani Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:24:26 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-158906 More on why Michael Moore is a big fat idiot: Read this Reuters article on <a href="http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKN2843545220071028" rel="nofollow">Cuba's dentistry woes</a>. More on why Michael Moore is a big fat idiot:

Read this Reuters article on Cuba’s dentistry woes.

]]> By: Klaatu http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-158900 Klaatu Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:45:32 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-158900 My son worked in London for 3 years. He had to come home to get his teeth cleaned! John Stossel pointed out that these "who lives longer" statistics cannot be taken at face value. There is no uniform reporting method. The UN just takes a number from each country. In many countries, they don't count a child who lives only a short time as ever being born. I think the US figures include abortions as deaths at age 0. Also, unfortunately, murders in the US drive total population average life expectancy down and the health care system never even gets a chance to save many of those. So, it makes the health care system look worse. As to the cost in a hospital: I know someone on a hospital board who says that hospitals typically collect 30% of the amount they bill insurers. A doctor told me it was closer to 20%. So, the hospitals bill $800 for a room, expecting to get paid $200. Its a stupid game that ends up giving us higher co-pays since we pay the full deductible. My son worked in London for 3 years. He had to come home to get his teeth cleaned!

John Stossel pointed out that these “who lives longer” statistics cannot be taken at face value. There is no uniform reporting method. The UN just takes a number from each country. In many countries, they don’t count a child who lives only a short time as ever being born. I think the US figures include abortions as deaths at age 0. Also, unfortunately, murders in the US drive total population average life expectancy down and the health care system never even gets a chance to save many of those. So, it makes the health care system look worse.

As to the cost in a hospital: I know someone on a hospital board who says that hospitals typically collect 30% of the amount they bill insurers. A doctor told me it was closer to 20%. So, the hospitals bill $800 for a room, expecting to get paid $200. Its a stupid game that ends up giving us higher co-pays since we pay the full deductible.

]]> By: conservativesRus http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-158628 conservativesRus Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:53:35 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-158628 Shoot feebie...I didn't know they had to breath too...that's kinda a tough requirement. Shoot feebie…I didn’t know they had to breath too…that’s kinda a tough requirement.

]]> By: feebiebabe http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-158598 feebiebabe Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:15:10 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-158598 Hi ConsRus. Yes, but I was afraid of a massive hand/brain cramp with a full listing of the sleepwalkers inhabiting government positions...(pensions and a paycheck. All for showing up and BREATHING!!!) Disasterous! Hi ConsRus.

Yes, but I was afraid of a massive hand/brain cramp with a full listing of the sleepwalkers inhabiting government positions…(pensions and a paycheck. All for showing up and BREATHING!!!)

Disasterous!

]]> By: conservativesRus http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-158580 conservativesRus Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:05:10 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-158580 feebie - and to think, recently in a thread here I made the comment that the gov't isn't known for being filled with the best and brightest and a bunch of our lib commenter here jumped all over me for my apparently insensitive remark. I second your concern. (We could make the list much longer) feebie – and to think, recently in a thread here I made the comment that the gov’t isn’t known for being filled with the best and brightest and a bunch of our lib commenter here jumped all over me for my apparently insensitive remark. I second your concern. (We could make the list much longer)

]]> By: Neocon News http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-158574 Neocon News Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:58:21 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-158574 <strong>Why not add a four hour layover to your kidney transplant?...</strong> If we get the much lauded Hillarycare, you can bet that this will become a fact of life in the United States. Record numbers of Britons are travelling abroad for medical treatment to escape the NHS - with 70,000 patients expected to fly out this year. ... Why not add a four hour layover to your kidney transplant?…

If we get the much lauded Hillarycare, you can bet that this will become a fact of life in the United States.
Record numbers of Britons are travelling abroad for medical treatment to escape the NHS – with 70,000 patients expected to fly out this year.
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]]> By: feebiebabe http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-158562 feebiebabe Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:39:24 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-158562 Scary thought of the day when thinking Governement Run /Socialized Healthcare: DMV CalTrans INS DHS IRS The employees that work for the above, will be the employees working within the Governement Run Healthcare System. Cheers! Scary thought of the day when thinking Governement Run /Socialized Healthcare:

DMV
CalTrans
INS
DHS
IRS

The employees that work for the above, will be the employees working within the Governement Run Healthcare System. Cheers!

]]> By: pgtips http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-158557 pgtips Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:28:51 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-158557 @ #51 Hehe, glad somebody picked up the reference :) @ #51

Hehe, glad somebody picked up the reference :)

]]> By: publiuswarmac9999 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-158549 publiuswarmac9999 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:14:07 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-158549 Michael Moore and Al Gore are part of a global socialist propaganda machine. They are aided by the MSM, academe and the entertainment industry. If the American people ever really wake up here, there is going to be real hell to pay. Michael Moore and Al Gore are part of a global socialist propaganda machine. They are aided by the MSM, academe and the entertainment industry. If the American people ever really wake up here, there is going to be real hell to pay.

]]> By: Record number of Britons going oversees for healthcare » Infidels Are Cool http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-158544 Record number of Britons going oversees for healthcare » Infidels Are Cool Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:57:48 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/paging-michael-moore-brits-flee-socialized-healthcare/#comment-158544 [...] Michelle is paging Michael Moore [...] [...] Michelle is paging Michael Moore [...]

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