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		<title>By: Junior High School Confidential &#171; his vorpal sword</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-161365</link>
		<dc:creator>Junior High School Confidential &#171; his vorpal sword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a Faux Nooz rhetorical bizarro question. Our special Satanic Poster Child of the Day, just to give Michelle Malkin a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BrianNY</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-159228</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM&#039;s link to Jules Crittenden shows a further exchange between Glenn Greenwald and Col. Boylan:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;GG to Col. Boylan:&lt;/strong&gt;

    Col. Boylan, Could you just confirm that this email [email forwarded] is authentic, written by and sent from you?Thanks -

    Glenn Greenwald

&lt;strong&gt;Col. Boylan to GG:&lt;/strong&gt;

    Glenn,Interesting email and no. Why do you ask?

    Steven

&lt;strong&gt;GG to Col. Boylan:&lt;/strong&gt;

    Only because it comes from your email address, is written in your name, and bears all of the same distinguishing features as the last emails you sent to me:steven.boylan@iraq.centcom.mil

    Did you really not notice that?

&lt;strong&gt;Col. Boylan to GG:&lt;/strong&gt;

    Well, since they were on the web, not surprising. If you do a search on the web, you will also see that &lt;strong&gt;I have been a victim of identity theft of late in Vermont and at least two other places&lt;/strong&gt; trying to rent property and that person identified themselves as me and thankfully the State Police were able to get in touch with me about it while I am sitting here in Baghdad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

CommentGuy,
If it is difficult to prove where such an email routing breach could have occured, could it be easier to prove that the email received by Greenwald wasn&#039;t the same message sent from Col. Boylan&#039;s address...if that was the case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM&#8217;s link to Jules Crittenden shows a further exchange between Glenn Greenwald and Col. Boylan:</p>
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<strong>GG to Col. Boylan:</strong></p>
<p>    Col. Boylan, Could you just confirm that this email [email forwarded] is authentic, written by and sent from you?Thanks -</p>
<p>    Glenn Greenwald</p>
<p><strong>Col. Boylan to GG:</strong></p>
<p>    Glenn,Interesting email and no. Why do you ask?</p>
<p>    Steven</p>
<p><strong>GG to Col. Boylan:</strong></p>
<p>    Only because it comes from your email address, is written in your name, and bears all of the same distinguishing features as the last emails you sent to me:steven.boylan@iraq.centcom.mil</p>
<p>    Did you really not notice that?</p>
<p><strong>Col. Boylan to GG:</strong></p>
<p>    Well, since they were on the web, not surprising. If you do a search on the web, you will also see that <strong>I have been a victim of identity theft of late in Vermont and at least two other places</strong> trying to rent property and that person identified themselves as me and thankfully the State Police were able to get in touch with me about it while I am sitting here in Baghdad.</p></blockquote>
<p>CommentGuy,<br />
If it is difficult to prove where such an email routing breach could have occured, could it be easier to prove that the email received by Greenwald wasn&#8217;t the same message sent from Col. Boylan&#8217;s address&#8230;if that was the case?</p>
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		<title>By: A Military of the &#8220;Republican Right-Wing Noise Machine&#8221; at Forward Deployed</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-158943</link>
		<dc:creator>A Military of the &#8220;Republican Right-Wing Noise Machine&#8221; at Forward Deployed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] whole lot more on this issue over at the &quot;right-wing noise machines&quot; of Michelle Malkin, Jules Crittenden, Milblogs, and CDR Salamander.    Share This Popularity: 2%     Watch the latest [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CommentGuy</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-158915</link>
		<dc:creator>CommentGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My gut feeling is that unless the PAO flipped out its a fake.  By now MNF Iraq without a doubt has heard of the flap and my guess looked at all their mail server logs and such and know the story for sure, including having a look see at any computers the PAO has mail access from and if their even exists an email with the matching message body.

For most any secure mail relay server there may be a person who can login and access the mail server itself and could fudge with the emails.  But to keep from having that one person from playing with things they usually locate the logs for the mail program on a different server and don&#039;t allow the person who accesses the mail server to have access to the log server thus he can remove the entries related to his fussing with the email server from the logs to cover his tracks.

The weak point is if the mail server guy and the log server guy are good buds they could work together to do an undetectable insert and no body would be the wiser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gut feeling is that unless the PAO flipped out its a fake.  By now MNF Iraq without a doubt has heard of the flap and my guess looked at all their mail server logs and such and know the story for sure, including having a look see at any computers the PAO has mail access from and if their even exists an email with the matching message body.</p>
<p>For most any secure mail relay server there may be a person who can login and access the mail server itself and could fudge with the emails.  But to keep from having that one person from playing with things they usually locate the logs for the mail program on a different server and don&#8217;t allow the person who accesses the mail server to have access to the log server thus he can remove the entries related to his fussing with the email server from the logs to cover his tracks.</p>
<p>The weak point is if the mail server guy and the log server guy are good buds they could work together to do an undetectable insert and no body would be the wiser.</p>
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		<title>By: CommentGuy</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-158909</link>
		<dc:creator>CommentGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An unencrypted plain text or html email has multiple ways of being spoofed.

The only way you can insure that an email is from a specific person is to have the email digitally signed with a valid certificate or as another possibility to send it encrypted with a program similar to pgp which will have the public key as part of the email body info and then the salon server would have to retrieve the other half of the key from any of the pgp escrow servers to decrypt the email which would validate the sender.

Since that did not happen here there is almost no way to prove it with 100% assurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An unencrypted plain text or html email has multiple ways of being spoofed.</p>
<p>The only way you can insure that an email is from a specific person is to have the email digitally signed with a valid certificate or as another possibility to send it encrypted with a program similar to pgp which will have the public key as part of the email body info and then the salon server would have to retrieve the other half of the key from any of the pgp escrow servers to decrypt the email which would validate the sender.</p>
<p>Since that did not happen here there is almost no way to prove it with 100% assurance.</p>
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		<title>By: CommentGuy</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-158905</link>
		<dc:creator>CommentGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been doing a little snooping around for info on the net and I have been able to determine the Salon server sits in NYC and the Military Server that forwarded the Email to them sits in Baghdad.  That server routes its traffic back to the US via Stuttgart Germany among other places. But eventually it surfaces in the US via the NIPR net gateway in Washington DC.

The point of saying all that is that there are at least 20 or more hops from Iraq to NYC.  Any where along the path if someone was on the inside and had it in for someone he considered to be a dork when he saw this flap boiling up could have inserted a bogus email as a man in the middle attack or like I said before a script kiddie with the right software could easily dump it in at a DC wifi spot with an anonymous login.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been doing a little snooping around for info on the net and I have been able to determine the Salon server sits in NYC and the Military Server that forwarded the Email to them sits in Baghdad.  That server routes its traffic back to the US via Stuttgart Germany among other places. But eventually it surfaces in the US via the NIPR net gateway in Washington DC.</p>
<p>The point of saying all that is that there are at least 20 or more hops from Iraq to NYC.  Any where along the path if someone was on the inside and had it in for someone he considered to be a dork when he saw this flap boiling up could have inserted a bogus email as a man in the middle attack or like I said before a script kiddie with the right software could easily dump it in at a DC wifi spot with an anonymous login.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianNY</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-158870</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am thoroughly enjoying Comment Guy&#039;s and  Mark Jaquith&#039;s take on this one.  My gut senses some I/T shenanigans, only because I can&#039;t believe one of the most important PA officers (and a colonel to boot) would pen such a personal letter in such a tone.
We shall see...
Hey, I&#039;m still waiting on an answer to the Columbia University/noose scandal = why haven&#039;t the NYPD announced a suspect or person of interest WEEKS after they were so certain that the professor had NO involvement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am thoroughly enjoying Comment Guy&#8217;s and  Mark Jaquith&#8217;s take on this one.  My gut senses some I/T shenanigans, only because I can&#8217;t believe one of the most important PA officers (and a colonel to boot) would pen such a personal letter in such a tone.<br />
We shall see&#8230;<br />
Hey, I&#8217;m still waiting on an answer to the Columbia University/noose scandal = why haven&#8217;t the NYPD announced a suspect or person of interest WEEKS after they were so certain that the professor had NO involvement?</p>
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		<title>By: First Manassas &#171; his vorpal sword</title>
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		<dc:creator>First Manassas &#171; his vorpal sword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] versus Newshoggers, Captain Ed versus Crooks &amp; Liars,  Balloon Juice versus Hot Air and Michelle Malkin versus Reality [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-158824</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, &lt;strong&gt;once you break the chain&lt;/strong&gt;.  Which is my point.  The only way it is a spoof is if Centcom&#039;s or Salon&#039;s e-mail servers have been compromised, such that someone could forge a message at one of those two points.  Beyond hacking in to one of those servers, they would have already have to had access to mail that had been sent from Steve Boylan (headers and all) so that the private IP and appropriate MS Exchange headers could be forged.  Then, they would need to have had access to a lot of writing from Boylan in order to copy his distinctive writing style.

All this to write a mildly-damaging letter that Boylan could just deny writing.

That is quite a conspiracy theory for such a small payoff.

Here&#039;s my theory: Boylan is a rude military spin doctor who got angry and fired off an e-mail that he regretted having written.  Instead of manning up, he decided to deny having written it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, <strong>once you break the chain</strong>.  Which is my point.  The only way it is a spoof is if Centcom&#8217;s or Salon&#8217;s e-mail servers have been compromised, such that someone could forge a message at one of those two points.  Beyond hacking in to one of those servers, they would have already have to had access to mail that had been sent from Steve Boylan (headers and all) so that the private IP and appropriate MS Exchange headers could be forged.  Then, they would need to have had access to a lot of writing from Boylan in order to copy his distinctive writing style.</p>
<p>All this to write a mildly-damaging letter that Boylan could just deny writing.</p>
<p>That is quite a conspiracy theory for such a small payoff.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my theory: Boylan is a rude military spin doctor who got angry and fired off an e-mail that he regretted having written.  Instead of manning up, he decided to deny having written it.</p>
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		<title>By: Snooper</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-158816</link>
		<dc:creator>Snooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole thing reeks of a non-story, ie, phony story but, it is fun making the jerk look more like a jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole thing reeks of a non-story, ie, phony story but, it is fun making the jerk look more like a jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: CommentGuy</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-158749</link>
		<dc:creator>CommentGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once you break the chain at any weak link in the path the email travels ( and Glenn provided all the info you need to do it ) a script kiddie could have either end or both sending Valentines Day greetings to their favorite 4 legged friend at the nearest petting zoo and no one could prove a single thing short of maybe NSA if they had a warrant and were watching the traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once you break the chain at any weak link in the path the email travels ( and Glenn provided all the info you need to do it ) a script kiddie could have either end or both sending Valentines Day greetings to their favorite 4 legged friend at the nearest petting zoo and no one could prove a single thing short of maybe NSA if they had a warrant and were watching the traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: StacyH</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-158748</link>
		<dc:creator>StacyH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading through the list of Greenwald&#039;s updates ... I&#039;m still not convinced.

I&#039;m trying to remember if secretaries have access to Colonel email (if Colonel&#039;s have secretaries I guess is what I&#039;m getting at.)

My first reaction was ... no PA wrote this.  If he did ... he&#039;s a really bad PA and probably won&#039;t get to keep his job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading through the list of Greenwald&#8217;s updates &#8230; I&#8217;m still not convinced.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to remember if secretaries have access to Colonel email (if Colonel&#8217;s have secretaries I guess is what I&#8217;m getting at.)</p>
<p>My first reaction was &#8230; no PA wrote this.  If he did &#8230; he&#8217;s a really bad PA and probably won&#8217;t get to keep his job.</p>
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		<title>By: StacyH</title>
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		<dc:creator>StacyH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the first line of it and knew he didn&#039;t write it.

First of all, as a PA he&#039;s not really allowed to write emails like that.  And as a Colonel he would know better.

If he did write that email, he would not have listed his name and rank at the bottom of the email.  If he did do that, he&#039;s stupid.  He will get into trouble for writing something like that.

Unfortunately for the military, they fight for freedom of speech but they do not have it.  My father can not comment on websites, issues, write letters, anything.  Occasionally, he&#039;ll write me and ask me to post something on something.  Or my mom will do it.  But as an officer in the military, they are severely discouraged from writing letters like the one in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the first line of it and knew he didn&#8217;t write it.</p>
<p>First of all, as a PA he&#8217;s not really allowed to write emails like that.  And as a Colonel he would know better.</p>
<p>If he did write that email, he would not have listed his name and rank at the bottom of the email.  If he did do that, he&#8217;s stupid.  He will get into trouble for writing something like that.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for the military, they fight for freedom of speech but they do not have it.  My father can not comment on websites, issues, write letters, anything.  Occasionally, he&#8217;ll write me and ask me to post something on something.  Or my mom will do it.  But as an officer in the military, they are severely discouraged from writing letters like the one in question.</p>
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		<title>By: trinitytim</title>
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		<dc:creator>trinitytim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Colonel did write it, I say Give him a medal. Heck, even if he didn&#039;t write it, give him a medal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Colonel did write it, I say Give him a medal. Heck, even if he didn&#8217;t write it, give him a medal.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/quote-of-the-afternoon/comment-page-1/#comment-158715</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As long as I can find an open server any where in the chain to accept the email where I am faking the header info I am home free unless someone takes the effort to ask each mailer in the chain it went through to check their logs against the mail header data.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed, in theory, but did you look at the headers?  It went from Centcom to Salon to Greenwald.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Received: from 02exbhizn02.iraq.centcom.mil (02exbhizn02.iraq.centcom.mil [214.13.200.111]) by rich.salon.com&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would require a breach in Salon&#039;s mail server or Centcom&#039;s mail server.  There are no other points of injection.

Also consider that the signature was the same.  Consider that the writing style was the same (this may be the hardest thing to spoof!)

Occam&#039;s razor says that Boylan wrote the e-mail and now he&#039;s lying because it makes him look bad.  Note how he&#039;s rude and evasive in his replies.  He&#039;s cornered, and he&#039;s losing his cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As long as I can find an open server any where in the chain to accept the email where I am faking the header info I am home free unless someone takes the effort to ask each mailer in the chain it went through to check their logs against the mail header data.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed, in theory, but did you look at the headers?  It went from Centcom to Salon to Greenwald.</p>
<blockquote><p>Received: from 02exbhizn02.iraq.centcom.mil (02exbhizn02.iraq.centcom.mil [214.13.200.111]) by rich.salon.com</p></blockquote>
<p>That would require a breach in Salon&#8217;s mail server or Centcom&#8217;s mail server.  There are no other points of injection.</p>
<p>Also consider that the signature was the same.  Consider that the writing style was the same (this may be the hardest thing to spoof!)</p>
<p>Occam&#8217;s razor says that Boylan wrote the e-mail and now he&#8217;s lying because it makes him look bad.  Note how he&#8217;s rude and evasive in his replies.  He&#8217;s cornered, and he&#8217;s losing his cool.</p>
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