Mischief Night: Democrat debate at 9pm Eastern, all claws out for Hillary; Update: Obama, Edwards meekly swat at Hillary; Update: First “Impeach Bush” orgasm; Update: Will Obama pledge to stop Iran from building a nuclear bomb? No, he’s worried about civil liberties; Update: Hillary pillories Edwards’ Code Pinko rhetoric; Update: Russert challenges Hillary on secret National Archives documents, first Hillary stumble; Update: Biden attacks Giuliani as “least qualified person to run for president since George Bush”
Update 10:25pm Eastern. We’ve run the Social Security, energy, and environment gauntlets.
Vid highlights will be here.
Here’s the Chris Dodd campaign talk-o-meter:
Update 10:00pm Eastern. Joe Biden launches a grenade against Rudy Giuliani. “Least qualified person to run for president since George Bush.” “I’m not running against Hillary, I’m running for leader of the free world. Looking forward to running against Rudy.” I negotiated the START agreement! Biden cracks that Rudy can only form a sentence with “noun, verb, and 9/11.” (loud applause).
The Democrats are afraid of Rudy.
Update 9:53pm Eastern. Bill Richardson changes Halloween costumes. Now, he’s a chivalrous knight defending Hillary Clinton’s honor. Implores other candidates not to impugn her character. And…he’s back to Superman: “I’ve been a hostage negotiator.” “I trust Hillary Clinton, though I don’t agree with her on every issues…We need to stay positive.”
Um: No applause.
This is entertaining! Chris Dodd now jabs at John Edwards’ hypocritical attacks on Hillary for accepting special-interest money.
Edwards: “Nobody is pure. Certainly not me.”
Kucinich jabs at the hypocrisy of hedge-fund beneficiary John Edwards.
Update 9:43pm Eastern. Back from the break. Williams asks Hillary to answer Rudy Giuliani’s jibe that Hillary has no experience running anything. Her answer is weak because, of course, she has no answer. She cites her experience as Big Nanny operative on “both sides of Pennsylvania Avenue.” Russert follow-up: Would you allow the National Archives to release the docs of your communications with the president? Russert notes Clinton request not to release until 2012. Hillary: “They are releasing things as they do their process.” But President Clinton specifically asked to ban the disclosure. “Not my decision to make.”
Obama smells blood, goes on the attack, time for Obama For Change! “We’ve just gone through the most secretive administration in history…this is a problem.” “Republicans are obsessed with you, Hillary, because that’s a fight they are comfortable having.” Looks like Obama grew a little spine during the commercial break.
Edwards’ ears must be clogged. Maybe with his hair clippings. He just jumped in…to repeat everything Obama just said.
Update 9:35pm Eastern. The more Obama opens his mouth, the more lightweight he’s becoming tonight.
Edwards appeals to the Code Pinkos. He pushes aggressively for ending combat missions in his first year in office. Edwards razzes Clinton for moving from primary mode to general mode. “We need to be in tell the truth mode.”
Hillary: “How do you pursue al Qaeda without engaging them in combat?” “I’m for bringing the troops home, but it’s going to be complicated and it’s going to take time. We’ll have troops guarding the embassy, pursuing al Qaeda, etc.” Bats down Edwards’ simplistic, Sheehan-esque call for complete withdrawal.
Have to say it: She is looking solid and grown-up. The men are nervous, small, and nutty.
Fright Night, indeed.
Update 9:32pm Eastern. Another Kucinich nutroots exclamation. He chastises the media for “ratcheting up the rhetoric” for nuclear war. See, when he gets that Department of Peace up and running, peace and harmony will take hold and everyone will drop their weapons.
Update 9:30pm Eastern. Bill Richardson’s Halloween costume tonight is Superman. He “went head to head with Saddam Hussein” and rescued prisoners from Abu Ghraib AND got North Korea to shut down a nuclear reactor.
Update 9:23pm Eastern. Kucinich injects some nutroots-y flavor: “The war in Iraq is illegal. We need to impeach Bush!” (audience applause).
Russert wants everyone to pledge that Iran will not build a nuke bomb under his/her watch. Hill: “I’ll pledge to do everything in my power to prevent them from building it.” Obama wants to talk about civil liberties being undermined.
Update 9:15pm Eastern. At the 15-minute mark, Hillary Clinton looks frightfully strong and unscathed. Feckless Democrats.
Obama was asked about what his “red line” threshold would be on Iran, and he punted on the question. We should be “reaching out aggressively” to our allies and “talking to our enemies” directly. Obama wants to normalize diplomatic relations with Iran and put WTO membership for Iran on the table.
Hillary: “The Revolutionary Guard is deeply involved in the commercial activities in Iran. We need carrots AND sticks.” Brian Williams: What is your red line? Hillary: “Full-court press on diplomacy.” Williams isn’t going to get his question answered.
Silky Pony (he has a new haircut, BTW): Gives his moonbatty, BDS lecture about “standing up to Bush…We have no intention of letting Bush invade Iraq.” Edwards uses the word “neocon” six times in a minute. NEOCON NEOCON NEOCON. Edwards rattles the tinfoil, accuses Bush of rattling the sabre.
Richardson (yeah, he’s still in, hanging on for that veep slot): Claims he’s the only one who has negotiated with foreign countries. Three of the Dems chime in “That’s not true!” We “need to talk” to our enemies. Um,
Update 9:11pm Eastern. Russert to Chris Dodd - You said this was an authorization for war with Iran. “This will come back to haunt us.”
Update 9:00pm Eastern. Now, Tim Russert gives it a try, asking Hillary about her vote for the Kyl amendment on Iran preparedness. “I’m not for a rush for war, but neither am I for doing nothing…It’s an expression of support for economic sanctions.” Points out that Durbin supported it. Non-binding resolution.
Update 9:06pm Eastern. Edwards takes his shot at Hillary. It’s a little stronger than Obama. But not by much. Edwards is focusing on Iran. We have to stand up to this president. Bush, not Ahmadinejad. “I think the American people deserve someone they know who will tell them the truth.” Stands behind calling her a double-talker.
Again, Hillary is unflappable. “I’ve been standing up for children’s health…etc…been taking them on for many years.” Snort. She’s talking about fiscal responsibility. The men are looking very small right now. She’s not distracted by their rhetorical mosquito bites.
Update 9:02pm Eastern. Brian Williams jumps right into it, going to Obama with the first question pegged to his comments to the NYTimes about his plan to be more aggressive with Hillary.
Obama WIMPS out? Claims that the tension between him and Hillary has been “overhyped.” Ok, here we go. Obama hesistantly attacks her for changing positions on torture and Iraq. He seems nervous.
Hill response: I don’t think the Republicans have gotten the message that I stand with them. Brags about last week’s GOP debate targeting her. I have been standing against the Republicans and I think Democrats know that.
That was an anti-climax.
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The latest Democrat presidential debate begins at 9pm tonight on MSNBC. Two hours of left-wing family feuding.
Will anyone bring up Hill’s Chinatown dirt?
Will Obama have the audacity to rib Joe Biden over his somewhat clumsy comments about inner-city students in D.C.?
Will Dennis Kucinich do his puppet dance and challenge Obama to bust his moves?
Will John Edwards go all Elizabeth Edwards on Hill?
Will the Truthers come out to play?
Who will question KooKucinich’s mental health?
Mischief Night draws nigh. Stay tuned…Allah will have any clip-worthy vid highlights here.
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I hope there are fireworks!
I PRAY they bash Hillary! That will be fun to watch!
Will they get asked tough questions or will Matthews ask more of his “Why do you think George Bush hates puppies,” questions?
I wish someone would ask Hillary to have psychiatric evaluation.
Sigh.
I fear that they will all just roll over, hand it to Hillary - and wait for their reward. I heard some guy on a talk show recently who claimed Obama’s reward is to be a LIFETIME seat on the Supreme Court… be afraid, be very afraid.
Edwards as Attorney General perhaps?
If there is one lawsuit Id want Nader to win its that one.
He could easily prove that the Democrats conspired to keep him off ballots
The Ink Blot Test
Hillary: “I see a donkey…no wait, that’s Bill”!
I hear shes going to wear the Hillary Halloween mask in layers and peel one off for each personality.
In order…
- No (because I’m sure the rest of them also have Chinatown dirt, and last I checked, the Clintons still had those FBI files)
- Yes
- No (Kucinich is the last whacked-out unreconstructed Socialist left)
- Yes (after all, Liz wears the pants)
- Can I get a “Hell yeah!”
Bonus item; expect nobody to mention Mike Gravel’s absence.
Shillary has a personality?
*hears her cackle in the back of his head
Michelle - You made the list of top 100 American Most Influential Conservatives.
Since it was done by the UK, I am not sure how trustworthy the rankings are, but you are there none the less.
Head nod!
no, not personality, personalities.
Oh, you mean like Sybil! Got ya!
Only scarier.
Stop. I am not sure I can sleep as it is after the photo album.
photo album?
HERE
It may help if you have a few brews first. Your eyes may need some Bear Mush afterwards.
You.have.been.warned
eye bleach please, now I’m convinced more than ever about the psy.eval.
OT-
Hey soaper hows the return from Haita going for ya?
There’s some serious Photoshop opportunities in that album.
Haiti. geez
Well, the wife is well after her surgery and we get to bed early ;). Haiti got pounded by Noel. I am still waiting on word from some of my friends. Port-au-Prince did well. The south is still getting hammered.
Thanks for asking.
steveegg,
Those were not photoshopped? Ugh.
Good news about the wife soap.
You gonna watch the
debatehissy fit?Like I said, there’s opportunities, not that a lot of reworking would need to be done (maybe just a small caption added
some of those pics she looks very very medicated.
Soap, I’m going to tune in for as long as I can take it, no games on that I’m aware of sooooooo, I’ll try to suffer through it.
If we can hang out here and trash it that would make it more fun. lmao
Trash it? We will have some material to work with for sure! Do I have to watch it to trash it? Please say no - LOL.
Assclowns on Parade in 3 minutes.
I think we don’t have to watch it to trash it. Chris Roberts is doing a pretty good job of providing the material from the inside, so I’m good with the History and National Geographic Channels.
One quick question,
Will my TV blow up if I tune it to msnbc?
Tin foil and popcorn at the ready! Jiffy Pop kills two birds with one stone.
Just take all the things that you could throw and put them in the other room. Your TV should be okay then.
Just make sure you don’t have a loaded pearl-handeled Colt .45 next to you.
locking drawer.
Turn down sound - add your own captions - have fun!
“Trying” to run his campaign
jiffy pop? wow! they still make those you shake on the stove? cooooool.
Silky punched Hillary hard. Too bad he hits like a girl.
Iran is seeking WMD’s? Until a Republican gets elected.
Random observations courtesy Chris Roberts:
- Obama never watched Rocky IV
- The Dhimms still don’t realize that nobody with any ties to the Bush Administration is still in the Pubbie race
- Breck Girl must’ve had another $1,200 haircut
Soap, got another Unflattering Hill pic for you from the FreeRepublic live thread -
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-2/12444/hilleyebrows.jpg
Why do they keep insisting Bush can do anything in Iran without congress’ approval?
Goodness, these people are insane.
steveegg
LOL, thanks but my wife and I have had our fill for one night!
Diplomacy with dinner jacket, yeah right. he’s a lying crapweasel.
Obama - talking to our enemies - LOL.
Ummm, you id10t’s - we are using sanctions.
So file it for future use when you need a real scare.
Didn’t see the last question the first time around, but the answer is nobody as the rest of them are only a degree or two of separation from Kucinich.
Meanwhile back in Iran their in full dress uni’s marching a saber through our flag and Isreals.
DRINK! Breck broke out the “neocon” word.
What exactly are they going to say to them?
LOL - yep, and he was very proud that he did it.
Can’t we all just get along?
Reject war with Iran. I hope Iran got that.
Rush to war? The president is trying his darnedest to tame Iran without going to war.
I remember when we went to war with Iraq there were those who were howling “Why didn’t he try diplomacy?” Totally ignoring the fact that diplomacy had been in play for 12 years.
It took over 20 minutes to mention the Constitution
Two words, and the second one has two letters.
I think we finally figured out where the PaulNut support comes from; the Hussein Obama camp.
I hope one of those Code Pink jackaxes don’t show up and embarrass the party.
Not that anyone cares, but my favorites are.
1.Biden- not sure why he doesn’t catch
on.
2.Obama- he’s a little green, but he’s genuine, he’ll be better on the next run.
Hillary is unelectable. I’ll vote for her if I have to, and only if I have to.
But I’ve talked to too many independents and conservative democrats that will never vote for her.
Guiliani will win, unless the Christian Right splints off and “Nader” the Republican campaign.
Oh well peace out. Enjoy Beavis and Buttheading the debate you righties.
Is there anybody up there more full of crap than Obama?
Opps, someone rescued from Gitmo?
Umm, Beavis and Butthead are on stage.
soap, did you leave the door open?
raise the bridge!
Obvious question; who’s who?
I love how they all mention “special interets” as if there not being funded by Soros.
And Hillary has already brought up Halliburton in the first 15 minutes (for whatever reason I’ve TIVOd this)
I blame Booosh. It was a matter of time before a troll came in. I love the “I will vote for Hillary if I have to” then calling us Buttheads.
Priceless!
Re: Richardson as Superman - there must be a lot of kryptonite about; Hussein was still around when Bill left DC, and Bill and Albright got snookered by Krazy Kim.
1st year troop removal, yeah right. he just went belly up. that is impossible.
Death to Iraq.
Silky
#64, lol exactly.
Hows the TV doing there AJ? I am on my laptop and resisting putting my fist through it.
You could be like me and get it all through the filter of various live threads/blogs.
Good news - Hiliary finally remembers that Bush isn’t running for a third term. Bad news - She’s admitting that it was a co-Presidency in the 1990s.
Hillary, and I will take your profits to make sure I can pay for all of the million things I want to do that you can’t afford. It’s for the children.
I’m doing some work on another screen, and the TV faces the other way, just listening with an occasional glance.
Obama - trust in our government - BWAAAHHAAAAHAAAAHAAHA
Governemnt working for us. Obama is dreaming and Hill needs to backhand him. Dems are not in favor of this.
Silky:
Lawyers?
Did obama have bear mush at the break.. lmao
Silky tell the truth - ROFL! Is that a dead baby speaking?
process? archives? crapweasel.
Oh, here we go. The supreme court handed the win to Bush.
Hillary will not win without help.
answer…. no and no.
Obama may have had some Bear Mush. His head is cocked like a cat that ate a skink.
Grown up? Hill? It was only a matter of time before she regressed to the playground mud.
get the shovel ready.
Dodd, what a silly silly man.
I still think we hand them sticks and they beat the hell out of each other. The last person standing wins.
CEO now equals President? Hack.
Holy Carp! bring the Country together?
Their tearing it in half!
Edwards just got backhanded and I just had to laugh!!!
Dimocraps trying to find commonality?
flop, opps to late.
Soaps trollish statement of the week:
I would vote for Edwards if I had to.
/Elvis on
Thanks you, thank you very much.
Cut Bush’s tax cuts so we can have more money.
WHATTTT?
Iyiyi.
I can’t take any more of this. Espcially, when basketball season has just started tonight (GO NUGGETS!) I just hope they hurray and get out of my city as soon as possible, because traffic tonight was a mess.
Poor Bucky. If he were a Republican, he would support the Rublican candidate because he wanted to. Bucky - come into the light!
#91 - El Barfo-rama!
hey feeb.
left you a note at friends.
Welcome feebz. Been resisting the “taze him bro” until you got here - LOL!
So why isn’t Matthews doing this debate.
How is it the Repubs get dumb and dumber but the dems get these guys?
got the note, left you one mr. foodie!
Lie of the night - Clinton: “I certainly don’t want to impose a trillion dollar tax increase on middle-class…families.”
I was hoping Olberman would officiate so we can see him and Kucinich necking.
Would be ugly but its what they are really thinking when they are apart
el barf -o-rama sums up obamas last mumblings.
AJ, that sums up everything to this point that he has said.
nuttin there feeb. 363 is last one.
OBamma Bamma Bo Bamma Fi Fi Fo Fannna - —-OBBBBaaahhhma!
IT just sounds so great with his name, eh!?
(juvinille behaivor coming out…probably should stop posting….i’ve been trying to turn over a new leaf and sound edjumacted…..HA!)
Ian isn’t waiting until the end of the debate to throw up video. He has the first drinking word of the night from Breck Girl and the Hiliary National Archives fiasco
Hillary putting forth the myth that the Supreme Court gave Bush the presidency. That was debunked a long time ago but I have yet to see anyone on the left admit it.
Okay, wife wants to go to bed or I can keep listening. Hmmmm, let me think.
See y’all!
Another great job Michelle!
night soap.
P.S.
Never stop posting feebz
didn’t send TO friends. sent to AJ. check again.
Mwah soapie!!!!
Second break talk-o-meter update from Dodd’s campaign (posted the first in the HotAir open thread):
Clinton 14:58
Obama 12:49
Edwards 9:09
MSNBC 8:29
Richardson 5:14
Dodd 4:44
Kucinich 4:24
Biden 4:07
Later soap.
ok thanks found it.
Clinton 14:58
Ol’ Wind bag!
All of them are going to need ben gay on their backs after tonight.
feebz out for then night. need to get continuing ed credits or the license goes el bye bye at midnight on Halloween.
(scary organ music playing……_)
You should’ve seen the first update. She had a 4:11 lead over her next-closest windbag then.
yikes! night feebiebabe
Later feebie.
Thanks for posting the talk-o-meter; now I don’t have to go hit Dodd’s site for it.
I’ve seen and heard enough from the Dems, no more suffering for me. talk about a bunch of rhetoric.
Durn it; I’m running out of dodges from turning on MSNBC.
Nice little catfight on drivers’ licenses for illegal aliens between Clinton and Dodd.
And Obamas two cents also.
Obama blew that airline question
…and Dennis K. gets asked about aliens, why are they wasting our time with him.
Holy Carp! UFO….rofl.
These guys a flippin nutso.
I wonder if Kucinich wants to give aliens FAA pilots’ licenses.
Is it just me or is Obama trying to audition for the part of Two-Face in the next Batman movie?
Good thing they end this with a softball to Obama.
HIllary is going to cure cancer!!!
Hillary said we should have passed Shamnesty.. thats gunna leave a mark.
Pot and Aliens, and Christmas. Awesome. It’s a good thing they get the tough questions.
OPRAH
Obamas costume….Oprah
I’m glad the last 15 minutes were a complete waste of time.
These Assclowns have no business running for President.
Wow, even Hardball himself is pointing out Hilldogs stance on the license issue being double speak–that means it must be a bad gaffe if they have no choice but to bring it up.
wow, matthews just a made a real tasteless joke about the Philly murder rate (”Since we’re in Philadelphia,Why didn’t Kucinich just say I see dead people”–or something like that).
How about instead of making jokes about it they asks the candidates real questions on urban policy, and let them defend their party’s 50 years of failure.
Soap Box-
Bustin my chops huh guy. Just like I’m assuming you will, I’ll support my party’s nominee. I will until and unless a viable 3rd party is created. I don’t think Hillary is electable, but I can’t stay home on election day.
But, you folks can have at me, oh well, I know what cite I’m on. I’m wearing my Buck I jersey in Ann Arbor. I’m surrounded. Obama won the debate. Biden gets screwed. Woohoo.
Obama won? lol. you must be smokin buckeyes. there all losers.
Archiving the final talk-o-meter just in case the Dodd campaign shuts it down…
Clinton 22:01
Obama 19:09
MSNBC 18:26 (at least I’m presuming that’s an “8″ instead of the listed “0″ because the chart shows them ahead of the rest of the pack)
Edwards 16:32
Dodd 9:36
Richardson 7:50
Kucinich 7:25
Biden 6:07
Buck, encourage Al Gore to start that third party. He should take Ron Paul with him; that should give them a good start.
And yes, I am serious.
Steveegg:
Maybe. Once you start to peel away at Paul, I think he’s a little too much of an alienating guy all around as far as his views are concerned. I respect the hell outta of him though. Gore’s in no mood for a fight, and is enjoying being a Hollywood star. He had a shot in 04, and didn’t want to fight for it. Kerry was competitive, but a wussy. Gore coulda won that dang thing. I don’t blame him, but it disappoints me.
Unfortunately it’s too late in the game for a 3rd party in this election. I bet we’ll see it in 2012 though.
I gotta go to bed now, and the regulars have their jokes to make about the Democrats. Later.
OBAMA Leads the way at 29% on the text vote, scary! that theres more folks that think like bucki.
I was actually impressed with some of the questions asked by Russert.
Williams is a lightweight. Could barely form a complete sentence if it wasn;t written down.
Everyone might hate Hillary - but even Michelle acknowledges that she is going to be tough. She’s been through the wars with Bill and obviously knows what it takes
If you are afraid to debate Hillary, why would anyone trust you with the country? These are not politicians, they are slaves.
Hillary goes up and down more than a yo-yo, she stumbled a couple times, one on one with the right Republican pushing her buttons and shes going down in flames. I dont think she’ll be that tough because shes to wishy washy.
Saying outloud “we should have passed Immigration reform” should hurt her. That bill was a joke and it’s not what America wanted.
It amazes me shes a Senator and people are even considering her for President at all. The first woman President should be the right woman, and it isnt Hillary. The voice is scary,lol, so are some of the photos linked at #16soap.
Richardson was never in the race to be president, he’s been running to be her VP for several years. Too bad he’s come up with a new conspiracy theory…Roswell? Give me a break!!
Do Hillary’s opponents know what/who they are up against? They act like they are running for class president. Not one of them has made a serious attempt to confront her or her ideas through this whole campiagn even though it is such a target rich environment. The only Democrat that made any sort of pointed criticism was David Geffen. He has more cojones than the bunch of them combined. They should end the show and just annoint Hillary now since it is obvious nobody is up to the task of taking her on.
Let’s review the questions going in…
If you meant general questions about her fundraising, the bludgeon was swung. If you meant the China connection, nope.
If it happened, I missed that.
I’m glad that didn’t happen.
Too bad Johnny was recently declawed. The catfight would’ve been bloodier.
Toofers, Paul-Nuts, space aliens; you name it, they played.
Tim Russert.
My predictions of those answers went about as well as my football picks 2 weeks ago (3.5 out of 6).
Good! I am and independent, and I hope Nader sues the pants off the democrats. They tried to keep him off the ballots because he’d take away votes?? Well, they forgot about a guy named BUSH. You know, the defending champ back in ‘04? But, they are too chicken to go after republicans.
How DARE the democrats do this! What a slimy, slithery tactic. It just goes to show you they’ll shred the Constitution to get the Oval Office.