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Lockdown at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station; Update: Detained contractor says he had no idea pipe bomb was in truck

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 2, 2007 02:48 PM

Update: The detained worker, Roger Hurd, tells authorities he had no idea the pipe bomb was in his truck:

A 61-year-old man said he was unaware of a pipe bomb in his pickup bed Friday that triggered a lockdown at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station when he tried to pass security, officials said.

From about 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. , no one was allowed on or off the nation’s largest power plant as security and law enforcement officers investigated and searched for more explosives at the site about 50 miles west of Phoenix.

Maricopa County Sheriff’s deputies searched the Litchfield Park apartment of the West Valley man, but would not say what they found…

…Roger W. Hurd of South Carolina was cooperating with officers after the device was found in his maroon Ford, and led them to his Litchfield Park apartment so officers could search it, said Capt. Paul Chagolla, a sheriff’s spokesman.

The incident does not appear to be a terrorism act, he said. “No nexus with terrorism is in our investigation at this point,” Chagolla said.

Hurd said he was unaware of the pipe bomb, Chagolla said.

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USA Today reporting:

A pipe bomb was found in the car of a contract worker when security staffers stopped him at an entrance to the nation’s largest nuclear power plant Friday, a plant spokesman told USA TODAY.

The incident occurred at the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station about 50 miles west of downtown Phoenix.

“The sheriff’s department has classified it as a pipe bomb,” Jim McDonald, a Palo Verde spokesman, told USA TODAY. “How big and how powerful — I don’t know.”

Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Doug Matteson said the worker was stopped because of a suspicious package in the vehicle. Sheriff’s deputies were called, and the Associated Press reported the worker was taken into custody.

Security guards armed with automatic weapons check identification and search under the hoods of vehicles entering the plant.

The incident has been classifed as an “unusual event.”

There was reportedly a suspicious residue found on the device.

AZ Republic says nearby schools were on a brief lockdown, but there is no danger to the public:

Two elementary schools and a high school in the area were locked down briefly when a plant employee notified the district, Superintendent Robin Berry said.

“This is not a threat to the public,” said Jim McDonald, a spokesman for plant operator Arizona Public Service Co. earlier Friday. “If it had the potential to be, the security guards stopped it.”

Security guards working for the utility armed with automatic weapons check identification and search under the hood of vehicles entering the plant.

Sheriff’s deputies were called, but McDonald could not say whether the worker was taken into custody.

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  1. #1
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 2:56 pm, tony the tiger said:

    FTA:

    The contract worker does not specifically work at Palo Verde but has been on site to perform a job that the plant contracted with another company

    another weakness to exploit…

  2. #2
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 pm, swj719AWG said:

    Wow… Hell of a catch by those guys. Nice job.

  3. #3
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 pm, bear1909 said:

    here we go. the coverup begins.

  4. #4
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:03 pm, tony the tiger said:

    related, but separate incident from 2005:

    Progress Energy verifies Social Security numbers of contract workers who provide them, Kimble said. “The main thing is they have a valid government-issued photo ID, such as a driver’s license or passport,” Kimble said.

    Contractors who gain unescorted access to a nuclear plant must wear special badges and pass background screening and drug testing, Progress Energy wrote in its filing with the SEC. Contractors who are approved for only escorted access must always be accompanied by personnel with badges.

    Progress pushed on nuke security

  5. #5
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:05 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    One redneck going fishing with a pipe bomb. Chuck it into the water and skim off the catfish for dinner.

  6. #6
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:09 pm, cpodug said:

    Boy, those security guards are going to be in deep kimchee if they profiled the contract worker!

  7. #7
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pm, Zippy_Slug said:

    So where is the statement, “We don’t believe this was related to terrorism” ?

  8. #8
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:12 pm, Boomer said:

    Wonder if this (so called isolated) incident might be enough for the current administration to start taking serious the terrorist threat to nuclear power facilities by locking down our porous borders and finding out just who is in this country. Kudos to the guards that spotted the device.

  9. #9
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:13 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Dern cpodug - beat me to it.

  10. #10
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:18 pm, Crazy Horse said:

    an unusual event

    Hmmm………..a pipe bomb at the nations largest nuclear facility…..yeah unusual

  11. #11
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:24 pm, uhangtight said:

    wow..this is scary stuff. how long before they release this guy’s identity? i wonder what his excuse is for having a pipe bomb in the back of the car? something similar to the boys from Florida

  12. #12
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:25 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    “This is not a threat to the public,” said Jim McDonald, a spokesman for plant operator Arizona Public Service Co. earlier Friday. “If it had the potential to be, the security guards stopped it.”

    Still trying to understand this statement. Did it HAVE to go off to be a “threat”? The security guards stopped what?

    Bear is right, let the spin begin.

  13. #13
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:30 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    Yikes, pretty scary stuff. I would hope that they screen these guys pretty thoroughly before they are given access. I guess they can’t catch everything. Good job to the security guys who caught this guy before he could do something really bad.

  14. #14
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:31 pm, ajmontana said:

    makes ya wonder whats at his house, and who his buddies are etc, etc, etc.

  15. #15
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:32 pm, ajmontana said:

    well, there it is “at this point not terror related” reported on FOX News. 5 seconds ago.

  16. #16
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:34 pm, cpodug said:

    Wonder what it would take for an incident to BE :terror related”?

  17. #17
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:35 pm, cpodug said:

    OOps - “terror related” sorry

  18. #18
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:43 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Faux news alert coming?

  19. #19
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:44 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    “The main thing is they have a valid government-issued photo ID, such as a driver’s license or passport,”

    Wonder what Elliot Spitzer and Hillary Clinton would say about this…

    Proof that National Security, Border Security, and fighting terrorism should be taken seriously in this nation.

  20. #20
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:49 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    “The main thing is they have a valid government-issued photo ID, such as a driver’s license or passport,”

    Or a parole release form or an MS-13 tatoo or a head of lettuce.

  21. #21
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:52 pm, CharlieT said:

    When this guy gets to Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s tent city for inmates, the liberals will go moonbatty. Hopefully, there is room at the inn for this guy (Joe doesn’t catch & release illegal aliens so he keeps the jail pretty full). Joe, who likes the title “America’s toughest sheriff” houses his prisoners in a tent city in the Arizona desert (without A/C of course) where they live without smoking, coffee, pornographic magazines, movies, exercise equipment and unrestricted television. He feeds them on unappetizing, but not unhealthy meals (think green baloney) at a cost of about 20 cents a meal. They get to wear the classic black and white strip prison outfits with pink undershorts and he has chain gangs (including a female chain gang). The torture allegations can’t be far away.

  22. #22
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:54 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Why are our resident trolls so silent on these issues?

    *scratching head

  23. #23
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 3:57 pm, cpodug said:

    New arcade game: “whack a troll”

  24. #24
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 4:00 pm, Gabe said:

    Chagolla wouldn’t release the man’s name, but said the person taken into custody was a middle-aged adult male from South Carolina who was working at the plant as a contractor.

    Hmm. He was a “middle aged adult male,” but somehow they don’t mention that he was a “white, middle aged adult male” or “black, middle aged adult male” or “Hispanic, middle aged adult male.”

    Just a wild guess! He was a “middle aged adult male of the Religion of Peace” with a pipe bombfirecrackers in a package.

  25. #25
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 4:32 pm, Pulchritudinous Patriot said:

    I wonder what his name is.

    I’m gonna go with Mohammad, just on a hunch. Even if he is a “middle aged adult male”.

    This is of course telling the world that he is NOT WHITE. It’s just like the MSM does when attributing quotes to Dems or Republicans. There is always that “R” next to the Republicans name, but curiously enough no “D” next to the Dem’s name.

  26. #26
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 4:41 pm, chapoutier said:

    I don’t know whether I am a “resident troll”, Soapbox, but here is my opinion:

    You people are unbelievable with all your unsubstantiated speculation/accusations. Bear has for some reason already declared a coverup. Huh? How is this being covered up? And all you who just know that this must be an illegal or a Muslim, I as sure are many of the same people that were so certain that the Madonna planted the noose herself.

    And what is all this “based” on? The fact that there has been no identifying information given yet? Jeez…the story is, what, a couple hours old at most?

  27. #27
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 4:42 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Too bad Sheriff Joe Arapahoe’s tent city isn’t being used in “Club Gitmo”—I certainly don’t want come into his jail and I know from living in Phoenix, the weather is going to get very cold real soon!

    HHHmmmm (scratching head)….Wonder where he stands on other issues? I think he would make a great terrorism czar :)

  28. #28
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 4:56 pm, CharlieT said:

    gunslingerpatriot, #27

    Joe lets them watch two TV channels, Disney and the Weather Channel - he said he want them to know how hot it’s going to be in the summer and how cold in the winter.

    BTW he started female chain chains so he wouldn’t be sued for discrimination.

  29. #29
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 5:12 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    I know all about Sheriff Joe, and I have followed his exploits for a long time. Too bad RINO McCain hasn’t learned a thing or two from him about leadership.

    hhhmmm….also have to wonder if S/W or Sig Arms would consider naming a firearm in his honor? Something in a semi-automatic 50 cal variety! :)

  30. #30
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 5:17 pm, Eric_CharlotteNC said:

    Or a parole release form or an MS-13 tatoo

    that is a bigoted remark.
    MS-13 = undocumented gang banger.
    If he is an undocumented I we can expect La Raza to get him released so that his kids will not have undo stress.

  31. #31
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 5:26 pm, Desert Rat said:

    Speaking of Sherrif Joe,

    There is absolutley no reason that every non-citizen in federal Prison shouldn’t and couldn’t be held in similar “tent cities” spread across the southern US. Each Border state could have one, and the National Guards could rotate through to provide security. Then no one could be released back into the US at the conclusion of their sentence, everyone released from the federal tent city gets a one way ticket home.

  32. #32
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 5:42 pm, ajmontana said:

    chapoutier said:
    I don’t know whether I am a “resident troll”, Soapbox, but here is my opinion:

    You people are unbelievable with all your unsubstantiated speculation/accusations.

    What do you mean by “you people” ??? !!

    LOL, chap sometimes please just try to lighten up a smidgen. especially on Fridays.

  33. #33
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 5:48 pm, Lindsay said:

    Let me see, this is not terrorism, move along. Homeland Security only recognizes terrorism if big jets fly into tall buildings.

    The spin starts when the guy’s name is released. I agree with others above on betting the name is ethnic sounding…

    Very, very glad someone was alert and caught this terrorist.

  34. #34
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 6:00 pm, chapoutier said:

    AJ,

    If you can honestly tell everybody throwing around the “I’ll bet he’s ethnic” “religion of peace” are just being jokey then I’ll back off.

    From the facts that are dribbling out, it is looking increasingly likely that this is not some Muslim terrorist out to get us or some undocumented person. But don’t let that get in the way of the all this Chicken Little nonsense folks are throwing out here.

  35. #35
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 6:05 pm, Eric_CharlotteNC said:

    Yea AJ, it was just Al Gore coming to take the temperature with his pipe thermometer.

  36. #36
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 6:20 pm, brooklyn red said:

    OK, so odds are that this was not an attempted act of terror, but if looking inside the car & checking under the hood(& not even the trunk?) is considered security in the age of car bombs, I don’t feel so secure. Uhhh, this is a nuke plant we are talking about, no?

    How about parking the car in a guarded lot, say a few hundred yards from the plant & then going through “air port style” security, and yes check the shoes please.

  37. #37
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 6:40 pm, bear1909 said:

    ChaPoutier said:

    Bear has for some reason already declared a coverup. Huh? How is this being covered up?

    First off, CHP, I happen to see the world as being at war. Bomb shows up at world largest nuke. I don’t care if Timmy and Lassie were driving the truck- there is more to the story than we are being told. My premise: we are at war and our enemies are probing our defenses.

    Second, news media in some camps is doing its level best to sanitized reality for Americans in order to make it easy for them to believe that the war is in Iraq and Afghanistan- and that the rest of us are safe. Walking around this part of the country where I live I’d say they are doing a bang up job- based on what they ultimately do not report.

    Third, Homeland Security and DOJ have done their level best to obfuscate reality which shines a light on how they are dropping the ball on a daily basis. Richard Convertino case is a good example.

    So, a little intellectual exertion on your part might save you from having folks like me put some stinky and inconvenient facts in front of you to refute because you’re cranky and having a hard time with life for some reason that resembles having your Cheerios peed in this morning. I don’t know.

    At the very least, be a mensch and speak directly to the person you have an issue with instead of speaking past us. I am a real person with my own views. Want to contest them- then do it directly instead of like a cranky punk who can’t seem to find a way to have a good time.

    It was a reasonable statement given the state our country is in. A state of war while living with a duplicitous media.

    Have a nice weekend.

  38. #38
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 7:31 pm, DesertLover said:

    chapoutier

    I think you are over-reacting to what I read as a certain amount of sarcasm in some of the comments regarding parole papers and MS-13 stuff …

    I do agree though that we need to be more careful about jumping to any conclusions before we have all the facts … but even with that said we are no where close to KOS or Huff’n'puff levels in that regard …

    As for Sheriff Joe …

    “Tent City” came about when there was a need for a new jail in 1996 and it was going to take $70 million which was not available … so he went out and bought all the surplus army GP tents he could find and started using them for inmates … he has been the sheriff of maricopa county since 1992 and despite the ACLU and tons of “groups” he gets overwhelmingly re-elected every 4 years …

    BTW … he is a Republican … all of the county deputies have been through the ICE program so that they can enforce immigration laws …

    just some FYI …

  39. #39
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 7:47 pm, doriangrey said:

    Sorry folks, I’m going to have to go with chapoutier on this one. The way most of you are reacting is just plain creepy-scary.

    Let me be perfectly clear on a couple of things here. I spent 2 years as a health physics technician at San Onfre, so I have a way better than average idea of what security at a nuclear power facility is like and what kind of people tend to work at nuclear power facilities.

    First, let me address security. It’s ten times tighter than the MSM have led the public to believe, even so no security is perfect.

    Very very few people have unrestricted access at any nuclear facility and there is a world of difference between unrestricted and unescorted access.

    Unrestricted means you have complete and total access to any part of the facility. Un-escorted means that you are allowed to move about without an escort, but are strictly regulated regarding the areas you are allowed access to.

    No facility that I know of allows any contractor or subcontractor unrestricted access.

    All nuclear power facilities are cordoned off into zones. Each zone requires a different security access authorization and has substantial checkpoints where your authorization is verified multiple times before entry is permitted.

    At San Onfre for instance attempted entry into a zone for which you are not authorized is grounds for immediate arrest.

    Security personal at nuclear power facilities are well known to be profoundly lacking in anything even remotely resembling a sense of humor. They also have a very well deserved reputation for being, shall we say on the cautious side.

    In other words, do anything even remotely suspicious, unusual or out of the ordinary, make drastic changes in your usual behavioral patterns, and security will detain you and possibly arrest and turn you over to the FBI.

    Yea, it really is like that in spite of what the MSM have been saying for the last 6 years or so.

    Now second, about the people. The people who work at nuclear power facilities are not your everyday run of the mill go to work 9 - 5 people.

    Most of them have advanced degree’s and are cock-sure of themselves to a degree most of you would find surprising. Even the contractors and subcontractors tend to have post graduate educations. Kind of goes with the complexity of the field.

    These people also have a considerable tendency to be hands on mechanically inclined tinkerers. they are very often the people who take their televisions or computers apart and fix them themselves. And I don’t mean just popping in a new video card or CPU or memory.

    These are the kinds of people who whip out the oscilloscope and logic probes and trace down a problem to a single bad resistor on leg 27 of the iocc controller chip, then replace that chip.

    So yea, there is probably a whole lot more truth to meatpieandtatters redneck fishing etiquette than most of you seem ready to accept.

    Until I see significant evidence that this individual was up to no good, I’m assuming that he was your typical run of the mill eccentric nuclear power facility subcontractor.

  40. #40
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 7:50 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Thank you bear. & “”’s

    We are at war…

    And in war we take sides. If I end up in the trenches, I would prefer that it was you & not CHP watching my back.

    I’m jus sayin.

  41. #41
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 8:09 pm, almeehan said:

    Nothing to see here folks, just move on. Almost everyone drives around with pipe bombs in their trunks these days. Hillary’s went off the other night when Russert rear=ended the parade.
    News of this “non-event” will trickle out about as fast as the Goose Creek stories did. We can thank our dear Lord above for several things. They caught it and we have a Michelle Malkin who will dog this story til we know what’s going on!

  42. #42
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 8:26 pm, DesertLover said:

    Extracted from the Arizona Republic website … (Phoenix Newspaper)

    A 61-year-old man said he was unaware of a pipe bomb in his pickup bed Friday that triggered a lockdown at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station when he tried to pass security, officials said. ……

    Roger W. Hurd of South Carolina was cooperating with officers after the device was found in his maroon Ford, and led them to his Litchfield Park apartment so officers could search it.

    Here’s a link to the full story:

    http://www.azcentral.com/community/swvalley/articles/1102paloverdebreach02-ON.html

  43. #43
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 9:23 pm, chapoutier said:

    Roger W. Hurd….

    Wow. DEFINITELY sounds like some shady Muslim. Good call. And I do not accept the contention here that people were just being sarcastic or joking.

    And to clarify, I never said that something wasn’t amiss here. Why the hell does he have a pipe bomb? I just find it laughable how everyone here was already convinced that this was either a terrorist incident or somehow related to illegal immigrants.

    As with Professor Madonna, I eagerly await MM’s update pointing out the new facts. Though I do not hold my breath. Its not so fun when the facts don’t follow the script.

  44. #44
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 9:43 pm, ajmontana said:

    I just find it laughable how everyone here was already convinced that this was either a terrorist incident or somehow related to illegal immigrants.

    There you go again chap….sheesh.

    These people also have a considerable tendency to be hands on mechanically inclined tinkerers. they are very often the people who take their televisions or computers apart and fix them themselves. And I don’t mean just popping in a new video card or CPU or memory.

    These are the kinds of people who whip out the oscilloscope and logic probes and trace down a problem to a single bad resistor on leg 27 of the iocc controller chip, then replace that chip.

    lol, not to take anything away from these guys to whom your refering to but a simple AAS degree will get you that far.

  45. #45
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 9:44 pm, DesertLover said:

    chapoutier

    If you took time to read my entire earlier post I also said that we needed to wait for all the facts before passing judgment on what had happened …

    however … here … unlike at KOS and other left leaning sites we posters often go out on our own looking for other sources of information on an issue that is presented and pass what we find out on to one another …

    we don’t always wait for MM to get a chance to update things we get made aware of on this site …

    More importantly … we are willing to admit when we are mistaken and take responsibility for our comments …

    No one is ever 100% right … but neither is anyone always 100% wrong …

  46. #46
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 9:49 pm, chapoutier said:

    OK I apologize for the “everyone.”

    And I forgot to mention that Sheriff Joe sounds awesome.

  47. #47
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 9:49 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    chapoutier—
    If and when MM does an update, she will continue to do what the media doesn’t do on a regular basis-their job.

    While its great that this situation hasn’t followed recent history (ie islamfacists or animal rights terrorists)-the question still remains:

    How did that pipebomb get into the man’s truck if he didn’t do it? (I’ll let the police do their job rather than mondoay am q-back).

    The regular bloggers are more than willing to let the investigation run its course, but the skeptism that is expressed here is based on experience and not a bunch of chicken hawks with an agenda to promote.

    “In God We Trust-All others we monitor”
    Former slogan for IS “A” School, Dam Neck, VA :)

  48. #48
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 9:55 pm, bear1909 said:

    I don’t give a monkey’s left cheek what somebody thinks is “laughable” or “creepy scary”.

    I really don’t.

    Fact: we are at war. A man shows up at a checkpoint outside a mega-nuke plant.

    What does that do? It triggers a security response and a news release. Both generate intel. Period.

    Intel is collected in dribs and drabs. It is the study of one’s enemy and their behavior. Just the way that Hezbollah did it so meticulously in Lebanon for years before the 2006 War.

    That’s how I explain this to myself because we are at war. Not with “terror” or “Muslims”. We are at war with Iran and their proxy battle-tested army of the 21st century of Hezbollah.

    I don’t have smoking gun media providing me with some kind of conclusive A-Ha! reporting. But I am not so far gone as to be wholly dependent on their reasoning about what means what.

    “Creepy- scary”? The language of 8 year olds to describe one’s reactionary sentiments about people who see the world differently?

    I understand that security at nuke plants is pretty tight.

    I also know that security has been breached at certain facilities, especially around used fuel rods that haven’t been properly disposed of- Vermont Yankee being one of them.

    So the security apparatus finds a small pipe bomb far from the heart of the target? No credible threat. Fine.

    What if it had been a suitcase nuke? Oh. Nothing to worry about. We don’t have any credible evidence that they are in the country to begin with.

    Hmm. No fooling. Lucky it happened in the desert. There is plenty of sand.

    We are being probed everywhere.

    Airports. Power plants. Refineries. Chemical plants. Disposal sites. Water plants.

    Hezbollah. Sleeper cells in our country. Think it’s lame? Fine.

    I hope your arrogance goes untested by the future ahead of us. It isn’t apocalyptic- but the next war will be fought here as well as abroad.

    Our enemies are intent on killing as many of us as they can.

    The airplanes into the Towers precipitated some unexpected lessons for Al Qaeda. It has precipitated their destruction and the overthrow of 2 despotic governments on Iran’s border.

    But more importantly, there were unexpected lessons from the 2007 War in Lebanon.

    And those are the ones I am paying attention to. What are you paying attention to?

  49. #49
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 9:55 pm, ajmontana said:

    thank you chap.

  50. #50
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 9:58 pm, bear1909 said:

    aj- no chit :)

  51. #51
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 10:07 pm, chapoutier said:

    Bear,

    Absolutely right. We should be very wary and investigate all angles of this and see what was done right in terms of security (seems like a lot here) and what may be improved in the future.

    My point, my only point, was that some (not all aj) people here rush to judgments and get all in a lather. Not only is this a bad way to make important decisions, but also, when it turns out those initial rushes to judgment were wrong it makes one look very foolish. I know you apparently don’t care about other’s perceptions, but at the very least when you say something like “I’ll bet it was the Muslim/Illegal Immigrant/Columbia Professor herself” with nothing to go on one must know that it at least fans the flames of those that would judge one to be racist/xenophobic/etc?

  52. #52
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 10:22 pm, DesertLover said:

    chapoutier

    No problem … and you are correct about Sheriff Joe … he was a in the DEA for many years before becoming our sheriff … so he has no tolerance for drug dealers and such … if there were more like him we wouldn’t have to be worrying so much about the federal government taking care of the border issues …

    BTW … he also has chain gangs that do things like clean up the trash in parks and alongside the roads … he even started a female chain gang to avoid being accused of being sexist and not treating male and female prisoners equally … lol …

  53. #53
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 10:24 pm, chapoutier said:

    Alright, let me preempt by retracting and apologizing for my comment doubting MM would update. It was snide and (obviously) wrong.

    But, I still stand by my “rush to judgment point.”

  54. #54
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 10:26 pm, ajmontana said:

    dl,
    Someone is going to make a song about the good sheriff. :)
    He rocks big time.

  55. #55
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 10:28 pm, ajmontana said:

    Geez, lets just get it over with and fry the Ba$tard so we can end this….
    :lol:

  56. #56
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 10:29 pm, chapoutier said:

    And I do see the irony between sentence 1 above in post 53 and sentence 2. I think I will just shut up now.

  57. #57
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 10:30 pm, chapoutier said:

    Correction “sentence 3″

  58. #58
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 10:33 pm, DesertLover said:

    aj … yep … and at night “tent city” is patrolled by Police Dogs with TV cameras strapped on their backs that are broadcasting back to a control room of monitors where the officers watch for porblems … :lol:

  59. #59
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 10:35 pm, DesertLover said:

    porblems=problems … duh!

  60. #60
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 10:35 pm, Leatherneck said:

    What moon god worshiper, or illegal alien placed that pipe bomb in that red neck’s truck?

    What is the world coming to?

  61. #61
    On November 2nd, 2007 at 11:44 pm, bear1909 said:

    All right, given that you, Chapoutier, have said you were going to be quiet, I will take issue with you on the final reply to me. Fair enough I hope.

    My point, my only point, was that some (not all aj) people here rush to judgments and get all in a lather.

    Get specific before you typify or stereotype a passionate response to something as “a lather” and referring generally to people who have names- real or not- and are willing to stand by what they write here.

    I and others do not need the cautionary sweep of yourjudgement against us to not “rush to judgement”.

    We aren’t a group of torch carrying hicks ready to lynch the first person who looks like the perpetrator of some distant crime.

    I have been, since this thread started, saying that there is a certain direction I would follow while others 1) sit back and wait for the MSM to declare the evidence unfolding as valid or not; 2) wait for the cops to say to the MSM what they thought the deal was; 3) wait for the federal government to tell the media what is going on; etc etc etc.

    We are allowed to do all of that here. And we get to be wrong. These blogs get read by people in the thick of the fight we are in. And they need to know what the citizens of this country are thinking beyond “impeach Cheney!” diatribes.

    Angles. Ways of thinking. They all count here. And they get sorted out. Like yours did.

    Not only is this a bad way to make important decisions, but also, when it turns out those initial rushes to judgment were wrong it makes one look very foolish.

    I don’t get the lecture here. This makes sense in my own life. It is what I follow. I don’t rush to judgement. But I also don’t accept blankets from missionaries either or buy bridges in Brooklyn.

    This is a discussion forum. And we get to express our *honest views*, as I have. It always lands with a thud when some “voice of reason” comes into a discussion extolling the virtue of “not rushing to judgements”. Why must this point be made as if we, as a group, are somehow calling up bloodlust or lighting torches to go lynching.

    Absurd. Let us speak freely. And then confront us one at a time with the precision that refutes arguments or challenges beliefs. The etiquette lecture should be delivered to the Bar Association or the Lawyers Guild.

    I know you apparently don’t care about other’s perceptions, but at the very least when you say something like “I’ll bet it was the Muslim/Illegal Immigrant/Columbia Professor herself” with nothing to go on one must know that it at least fans the flames of those that would judge one to be racist/xenophobic/etc?

    I stand by my words that I do not give a monkey’s cheek. But I did carefully set a context about war and war consciousness.. And went further and named Hezbollah.

    I was referring to a Pan-Islamic army. How can that be racist? They are religious fanatics. Islam is a religion. Muslims are the practitioners. They are not a race. Let us be clear here.

    And xenophobic? Balderdash. I know Islam and I know Muslims. The religion and its practitioners have been a part of my life since my first year of college in 1973. There is no place for phobia.

    There is plenty to go on however, given the wars being fought all around this world. Are you a student of warfare? Of the wars being fought now?

    I am.

    And sometimes, it isn’t about “evidence”- it has alot to do with intuitiveness when it comes to survival.

    Here in the Bay Area, these infiltrators have been coming across the Mexican border and hiding among the “moderates”.

    It is common knowledge.

    I intend to protect my family and ensure their survival by taking away the enemy’s element of surprise.

    We have a nuke in Berkeley. Do I have a different view of the relevance of the nuke in AZ than you do? You bet. The stakes are high.

    And if that ends up triggering YOU to judge my position, one that you misperceive- without any curiosity or exploration- based on a few quick words put on the screen, and rush to judgement about me as xenophobe etc…what is the worth of that?

    What worth is it to any of us, your judgemental rhetoric?

  62. #62
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 1:31 am, doriangrey said:

    On November 2nd, 2007 at 9:55 pm, bear1909 said:

    I don’t give a monkey’s left cheek what somebody thinks is “laughable” or “creepy scary”.

    Yea, thats pretty obvious bear. And your screed about being at war is even scarier. What you are advocating is repressive fascist ideology. Sorry even though we are at war it is no valid justification to treat every citizen as a criminal.

    There is a recent story about six men thrown off a American airlines flight in San Diego, they were Arabs, and people just like you complained that these men frightened them.

    The true tragedy of the story, these men were returning home from teaching US Marines how to detect Islamic terrorist. You attitude in this case is little different, fear everything you don’t understand and lynch anyone you think is suspicious.

    If your attitude is the future of America, then America has no future.

  63. #63
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 10:40 am, sausage said:

    This site is in danger of becoming the far right equivalent of Daily Kos.

    The story has already been bumped way down as it didn’t fit the two level site agenda:

    1) Was he Muslim?

    2) Was he an illegal immigrant?

  64. #64
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 11:16 am, Gabe said:

    The story has already been bumped way down as it didn’t fit the two level site agenda:

    1) Was he Muslim?

    2) Was he an illegal immigrant?

    Sausage,

    Is there anyone in America who is NOT Muslim who is interested in blowing up nuclear plants or flying planes into buildings? Is the average non-Muslim college student interested in causing terrorism at military bases–as in South Carolina or New Jersey? Does the average Christian or Buddhist have sudden jihad syndrome?

    Yes, some of us were guilty of the most un-PC, sinful behavior in the Bible of liberalism: We speculated that MUSLIMS just might want to cause terrorism in America. Why could that be?

  65. #65
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 11:27 am, ajmontana said:

    sausage said:
    two level site agenda,

    1) Was he Muslim? One for normal people

    2) Was he an illegal immigrant? and for a few Trolls.

  66. #66
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 11:31 am, heroyalwhyness said:

    DesertLover at 8:26 pm, , thanks for the link to the story.

    Argghhhhh . . . further down at that link I read Ryan Randazzo and Allison Denny’s irresponsible journalistic exposure:

    And the three containment domes over the reactors are made of 4-foot thick concrete designed to withstand a commercial airplane crash

    Some of today’s ‘journalists’ would undoubtedly interpret “irresponsible” as forgetting to link to plant schematics and google earth coordinates. MSM willfully lays out the red carpet for the next heinous attack on our country.

  67. #67
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 11:51 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Who needs plant schematics and coordinates when you can look the place up on mapquest and get a satelite image of the place….IMHO

    BTW-Didn’t rosie say that fire can’t melt steel and 9/11 was an inside gov’t job a few years ago?

    GSP

  68. #68
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 12:20 pm, bear1909 said:

    Yea, thats pretty obvious bear. And your screed about being at war is even scarier. What you are advocating is repressive fascist ideology. Sorry even though we are at war it is no valid justification to treat every citizen as a criminal.

    That is quite a leap, Doriangrey. It is about being at war. And where have I advocated- quote me- to “treat every citizen as a criminal”.

    Now get busy.

  69. #69
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 12:28 pm, bear1909 said:

    This site is in danger of becoming the far right equivalent of Daily Kos.

    And that is your mission here, Snausage, is it not?

    You’ve tipped your hand.

    Stick to the arguments that have been presented. Otherwise you are just a troll.

    Like Doriangrey and his leaps onto the ACLU trapeze.

    I have no interest in converting you. I do have interest in preserving human life.

    BTW- peace is not the normal state of human beings. Chew on that one, my fine Porcine By Product.

  70. #70
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 4:28 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Hey! how come I can’t find any follow ups on this story anywhere???

    It is quiet, much too quiet…

    Does this guy have a name?

  71. #71
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 9:16 pm, ajmontana said:

    hey red try dl’s post number 42 it has a link.

  72. #72
    On November 3rd, 2007 at 11:49 pm, dakine said:

    bear, check this link out:

    http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

    I think you might recognize yourself in Altemeyer’s extensive body of work on authoritarianism.

    “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

    FDR

  73. #73
    On November 4th, 2007 at 10:32 am, Bill DeFelice said:

    It makes no differance how the officials label this incident.The bottom line is The nuclear facility’s security passed the test.They did the job! Homeland Security could be responcible.Like they tested Airport security,last month.

  74. #74
    On November 4th, 2007 at 8:07 pm, theloneranger said:

    It’s beginning to look like someone planted the bomb in the contractor’s truck. It wouldn’t be hard for some moron to toss a “bomb” into the back of the guy’s truck just to cause a scare and get headlines.

  75. #75
    On November 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pm, tony the tiger said:

    …Roger W. Hurd of South Carolina was cooperating with officers after the device was found in his maroon Ford, and led them to his Litchfield Park apartment so officers could search it, said Capt. Paul Chagolla, a sheriff’s spokesman.

    A far cry from those innocent young men who were riding the ferries here in the NorthWet (and have yet to be identified)…

    As has been noted above, this act of probing was caught and the facility “passed the test”. Good on them. Hope they keep their guard up.

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