A challenge to the chickendoves
If a “chickenhawk” is someone who supports the war, but hasn’t enlisted, what does that make a moonbat who opposes the war, but continues to let his/her taxes be used to fund it?
One Daily Kossack has announced an action to “personally defund the war” by withholding 15 percent of his taxes and risking jail:
We won’t wait anymore. Since Congress, particularly the congressional leadership, refuses to do so, my wife and I are personally defunding the war and occupation of Iraq. We refuse for the foreseeable future to surrender the portion of our taxes that pays for U.S. imperialism and the militarization which backs it up. We’re inventing nothing, merely joining with thousands of other war-tax protesters whose history on the North American continent dates back to 1637 when the Algonquins refused to pay a Dutch tax levied to remodel a fort built in the midst of these Indians to control them on their own land.
Our action may seem pitiful in that it amounts to cutting off money to Iraq for about as long as it takes you to read half this sentence. Moreover, if it wishes, the government can extract even that pittance from us by force. But only if officials are willing to expend more money to collect from us than they will obtain in the process.
We take this action reluctantly, fully aware of the potential consequences. But Congress leaves us no choice…
..We will, as we always have, file our 1040s. But we will refuse to pay 15% of what Washington says we owe it. We do this not because we have any illusion that two citizens holding back a few dollars will stop the war, the building of empire, the commission of atrocities.
So, what about the rest of the members of the nutroots community who have so mindlessly tarred conservatives as chickenhawks and gone to ridiculous lengths to play the Absolute Moral Authority card?
Will they follow in this Kossack’s footsteps and put their money where their BDS-infected mouths are?
Or are they just, you know, chickendoves fluttering on the sidelines?
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I suppose the text in the link above the block-quote should read “personally defund the war”.
Thanks for keeping us informed, Michelle.
LOL. This reminds me of the “sorryeverybody” website after the last election, where they tried to make themselves feel better by posting sullen, moronic photos of themselves on that site. bahahaha!!
Sorry everybody.
It will be interesting to see how many accept the challenge. Having the IRS breathing down your neck is a bit more serious than posting diatribes on Kos.
Who are these idiots think they’re kidding? The IRS pays people a salary–not an hourly wage. IRS agents aren’t going to get a penny more for auditing these people than they would any other day of the year.
Oh, yes, the government will get the taxes. And it won’t cost them a cent more than if these turduckens had just paid them to begin with.
Maybe the federal goverment can defund some of their favorite welfare programs and cut the Bay area of San Fran off completely. Sounds like a win/win proposition.
Is it me or does this Kossack have a tinge of regret/remorse? Doesn’t read like someone who thinks defunding the war is right, despite having the moonbat vernacular down to a T.
Albeit, someone should explain to em’ how the IRS works…
Yes, we’ll do something that we know will make absolutely no difference at all. But it makes me feel good, so it’s worth it. At least I’m doing my part.
/sarc
—-\
However, it’s sad that this is what they think of the US Armed Forces.
The IRS tends to put you in prison for that these days. If they didn’t I’d have stopped funding The Welfare State years ago.
So good luck with that.
As for the “Sorry” website, The pic that links to their galleries has a slight factual error.
It says it’s from “Half of America”.
It should read “Less than half”. But I’m just nitpicking…
I’ll be sure to start up a site for the next one, should the republicans win it.
I’ll call it “You’re Welcome”.
As in “You’re welcome for us continuing to make sure you are all free enough to hate us.”
While I don’t advocate trolling per se, it would be fun to hit the rest of the Kos-acks with a challenge of “put your money where your mouth is” and see how many take the bait. I’m guessing 5% tops…
Please, do this. It would be a dream come true. Then, I could visit them in jail and convert them to conservatives – LOL.
HEY! I said it was a dream.
I love this idea! Go for it, moonbatdom! [Can we get them all incarcerated before November '08?]
Ah, thanks for posting the link, Michelle. Should’ve done that myself, I blame, uh…global warming.
Thats pretty embarrassing stuff from anti-war brigade.
Its the strangest thing – you say the word “liberal” but you hear the word “idiot”.
Oh please. This is the most impotent plan I have ever heard. Do they honestly think that they are going to get enough people who are willing to lose their homes and lose their freedom for this?
There may be a few, but not enough to make any impact. In mental health we call this type of thinking “delusions of grandeur.”
It all reminds me of the brilliant idea to save the planet by wiping with only one sheet of toilet paper… similar concept and they both smell like… nah, nevermind.
I am loving this new batch of commenter’s already!
Why wait until next year? Why don’t they fill out a new W-4 and reduce their withholding by 15% right now? I’m sure they’d get quicker results that way.
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I must agree.
Pithy bunch, they are.
Though I think both are false attacks, there’s no comparison, at least for those who believe in the rule of law. A “chickenhawk” can fight in Iraq (either by enlisting if they are under the maximum age or by joining an NGO) but a “chickendove” can’t legally withhold taxes. Of course, the real chickens are the people on both sides who are unwilling to stop funding the war’s enemies through the billions we give to Iran and the wahabbis, but I don’t want to go off-topic on my first post!
Jumping on the bandwagon…
Personally, I would much rather prefer my tax dollars go towards funding the military than the bloated entitlement and social spending programs.
So, to the daily cossack who is threatening to withhold 15% of his taxes: how about I let you put that 15% towards the program of your choice and I will put an equivalent amount of my taxes towards defense. That way, you are not paying for defense and I am not paying for some wasteful spending. I can’t see any downside to this proposal, after all, it is based on algore’s carbon credit program and it does not cost you a cent ;^)
On November 5th, 2007 at 10:47 am, Michelle Malkin said:
I had forgotten about that website. I just went over to look at some of the pics; got depressed thinking that ppl around the world might believe that those folks represent America. Anyway, shouldn’t this guy be in trouble?
I like rbb’s (#20) proposal. Kind of like the “cafeteria” health-care options from employers. Works for me!
More pedantic asinine rhetoric from a delusional loon on Kos …
Withholding is done at the employer level and you never have it in your hands to begin with so how are you going to hold it back …
If self-employed and they don’t pay up their protest will last exactly 3 months … since those payments go in quarterly from employers that is how long before the IRS comes after them …
Withholding 15% of his taxes (I guess that means he is paying the other 85%?) … been a long time since I saw that kind of a tax figure thrown out there … like 50 years or so … what tax system does this loon live under and where is it? …
All talk and no action will be what happens … as usual …
I wonder what these two guys thinks about France’s last election…
Even by moonbat logic, this is a stretch…I mean wouldn’t BushitlerhaliburtonMcCheneyVaderRove just cover their 15% withholding from some children’s entitlement program…so, by reasonably, by withholding their taxes, these libnuts are hurting the children!
swj719AWG
we all know the Kos-sacks are full of “pith and vinegar” … that’s why they all have such sour dispositions …
Oh come on everyone join in with a hearty round of
Give Pizza Chants
DUMB dumb dumb
DUMB dumb dumb
DUMB dumb dumb
Then we all can sit down aand enjoy whirled peas.
Right. Pay 85% of your taxes. Right. That won’t last very long. My ex-roomie’s father owes the state a year’s worth of taxes. In just a couple years, the penalties tacked on have turned what was an $18k debt into $30k.
Maybe these morons will have to give up their internet connections.
My tax “idea” has always been the following: With each tax form you get a “pie chart”. You get to allocate your tax amounts however you see fit.
Of course, Congress would never go for this because it takes away much of their perceived power. They no longer would be able to go back to their districts and claim how much money they got coming back to their area. So I don’t see such a proposal getting very far. But it’s a nice idea as it would be true government of the people, by the people…
Then do we all get to enjoy with AlGore the Nobull Peas Prize?
So they are going to stop paying taxes? Good god, that would be almost scary if they had jobs…
That war-tax protestor might consider that some other liberals with much more money are calling for increased taxes to pay FOR the war. If they really feel that way, pray tell why not send in their own money to the IRS?
What gets me is that so many loons won’t recognize that tax receipts have increased as rates have decreased. And the ones who have complained the loudest to me about taxes not being high enough nevertheless go out out of their way to avoid taxes as much as they can.
How will the left react, if God forbid, Hillary manages to be C-in-C? Funny how Clinton’s lengthy Kosovo occupation is fine as are the numbers of US troops remaining for decades in Korea and Europe/Germany. Might not those wealthy countries spend more for their own defenses? But I suppose taxes for socialized medicine and the overall nirvana of the granny state is more important.
Btw, I thoroughly enjoy this blog site and would rate it highly compared to many others.
Good idea DagneyT! Moonbat withholds taxes, IRS puts them in jail, they loose the right to vote. Is there a downside to this?
I like conservativesRus idea, but as he says, they would never go for it in a million years.
I sure hope the IRS goes after that missing 15 percent, because I’m pretty sure if *I* tried a stunt like that, they’d jack me up so fast and hard my head would fall off.
Any bets as to whether or not they actually *do* the thing?
This is a great idea only we should be doing it to pull funds from the illegal alien financial fest.
First off I doubt that a handfull of the kossacks will follow this advice but if they did it would be great – the penalties and interest after the IRS got through with them could be used to reduce taxes for the rest of us.
If this tactic works, neither Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid or
any of the other dimmicrats will get my tax dollars
to go toward paying their salaries!!!!
Bring back the draft and there will be a lot fewer chickens out there.
Just wait until that IRS levy hits the paycheck, leaving him with around $375 after taking everything else.
Once in American history the sentiment was “Millions for defense, not one penny for tribute.” Today the sentiment seems to be “Billions for healthcare for illegal immigrants, not one penny for defense.”
‘ChickenDoves’…..ha ha ha hahahahaha ha ha ha….O, that is good.
Ah Clag, that would be idgits you hear….But I know what you mean.
Oh and BTW, anyone else notice that this “idgit” has been a “protestor” for 44 years?
This thread is about one COMMENTER on Daily Kos. How relevant!
I don’t really give much creedence to the idea of chickenhawks. But a chickenhawk isn’t someone who just “supports the war and hasn’t enlisted.” It’s much more specific than that, and you know it.
Let’s see what chickenhawks I can find who are/recently were actually, oh say, IN POLITICS and who actually, oh say, MAKE POLICY.
Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, Bill Frist, Trent Lott, John Ashcroft, Dick Armey, Tom DeLay, John Boehner, Jack Kemp, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Saxby Chambliss, Richard Shelby, Phil Gramm (and SO many more, far too numerous to list).
Or how about CH’s who have MAJOR ROLES in the media?
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Matt Drudge, Michael “Savage” Weiner, Brit Hume, Roger Ailes, Neil Boortz, Pat Buchanan, George Will, Bill Kristol
Any Supreme Court Justice CH’s?
Of course. Scalia, Alito, Thomas and Roberts.
and of course, the big ones, CH’s grande-
Karl Rove and Dick Cheney.
And mind you, the whole “chickenhawk” concept came about when the Republicans tried to diss Clinton’s service, and it backfired miserably, due the MAJOR hypocrisy factor.
But you found this one Daily Kos COMMENTER. Cool.
(Glass houses, etc.)
I’ve seen what the IRS can do to paychecks when you
owe them money. Employees used to complain to me
when their checks were garnished and the interest just
kept growing by leaps and bounds. That 15% is going
to be a whoooooole lot larger when it’s being paid
back. This is moonbats operating at “top nonbrain”
capacity. (Do you think they’re expecting applause?)
I hope the IRS water boards him.
Classic example of liberal selfish behavior.
Cool, How about the top 5% of tax payers that pay over 50% of Federal Taxes don’t pay for the 70-80% of the federal budget that is socialist transfer of wealth? (I mean farm aid, Corporate giveaways and such, the whole aromatic pile).
Chickenhawk defined…
watershed, I think you misread/misunderstood the thread…
15% less?
There goes thirty six dollars the IRS will never see.
#46
No, I got it. But thanks!
It never ceases to amaze me how people on the left hide behind and/or under the protections of the United States but trash the country at every turn. In this case they are still blind beyond words to understand reality. Our military actions (U.S. imperialism and the militarization as they call it) has kept this country safe from terrorist attacks while bringing some liberty and freedom to millions of people. Things aren’t great there but they are a lot better than they were and there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Could it be that freedom and liberty might spread in the Middle East and stem the cancer of Islamic terror? How’s that for a notion?
This article doesn’t surprise me a bit. The Left is always big on acts of symbolism that accomplish nothing but make them feeeel better!
So, we’re throwing a monetary temper tantrum here,
are we? Actually, I find the holding the breath and
turning blue type of tantrum much more in character
and entertaining!
Hey, my local government levies taxes on me to pay for local police force and jail that are used to control me. Guess I should stop paying my local taxes too! Zero percent tax rate here we come! Woo Hoo!
ya’ll act like they (dems/kossaks) pay taxes?
everyone pays taxes, but then it is deducted from their deductions, credits, etc. so, they deduct 15% from what they are paying, but they still get a credit/refund from the IRS, sort of a win/win proposition. the IRS, however, reduces their credit/refund by that 15%, but they can still say they withheld their 15% but was forced by the IRS’s review of the 1040 to pay…
this is taking a stand, without really taking a stand….
The whole “chickenhawk” label is stupid. In a representative form of government, we ask our reps to make decisions for us that will be in the best interests of the country. Obviously, not all of them have been in uniform, been farmers, electrical power-grid designers, rocket scientists, physicians or whatever, but they make policy and spending decisions in those areas for us. Without knowing someone’s inner psyche you have no way of knowing if they are cowards or not. Even if they are, it’s irrelevant as to whether or not their decisions best serve the nation. Shouting names as a substitute for thoughtful reflection and analysis is juvenile at best. You might as well hold your breath and shout MaglaGONG until you turn blue for all the intellectual depth you have offered.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if everybody chose or was able to withhold portions of their taxes that go toward programs or expenditures that they opposed.
Wait until the working American people are forced to pay the Social Security & Medicare for baby boomers. Imagine what would happen if there was a revolt for that program.
The foil hats are simply idiots!
I once had a thought that tax revolt might be the best way to get some action on comprehensive immigration enforcement, but I realized that would mean essentially defunding our troops in a time of war. Now I see some of the looney left have gone ahead with their own little anit war tax revolt. So I’m left wondering, how can we get some effective action, after forty years of immigration lawlessness, on comprehensive immigration enforcement and an end to birthright citizenship? I fear we’ll soon have another twenty million here in less than a decade.
My exact sentiments too! There are some other techniques we learned about when in Survival School, but I prefer some of the old Apache methods. Nothing gets them screaming like honey and fire ants (something I would not put past the members of IRS I have met).
I’m going to love it when the IRS cuts off his car, and drags him kicking and screaming from it; then impounds the car ,and his first born son, as they throw his sorry a$$ in jail. Hope there’s a camcorder near by.
I love it how the left says they support the troops but not the war. Cutting the funding off does not support the troops.
We’ll just have to not pay the part of our taxes that goes to welfare and public education.
Win win. When they are in jail for defunding the war they cannot vote.
#62
You forgot that Dems keep pushing to allow criminals to vote. And they troll prisons for votes where thay are allowed. Remember fast Eddie Rendell in PA?
For you lefties, this is a true definition of chickendoves:
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/08/20/the-chickendoves/
Or perhaps here:
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/08/28/where-are-all-the-protestors/
I wonder how those Kossacks would feel if I withheld the 85% that went to their failed socialist welfare programs?
Would they be talking on and on then about my “courage”?
:::rolls eyes:::
#56 AlohaGuy – Exactly. For those who seem to promote that label, the alternative to having representatives make decisions involving the military would be to remove all civilian authority over the military.
Whenever a moonbat refers to me as a “chickenhawk”, I just tell them that nope, I never served in the military and I never will, but I will speak out in support of the war on terror as often, and loudly, and stridently as I care too, and there is nothing they can do about it. And I finish with “any questions?” That usually shuts them up.
Just to be clear: you’re going to enjoy watching a fellow citizen have his children, his assets and his freedom violently seized by agents of the government because he paid slightly less than the ~50% tax that the federal government demands. What a lovely perspective on the role of government.
A couple of commenters above #21 and #57 – have touched on the “slippery slope” argument that this kind of chiseling on taxes leads to.
OK, so somebody says, “I’m withholding the 15% that goes to national defense.” Fine. Why wouldn’t somebody else’s “conscience” dictate that they withhold the percentage that goes to say, welfare payments?
This kind of “reasoning” – if it can be called that – is simply an invitation for tax chiselers of all stripes to rationalize an excuse for not paying part of their taxes. I don’t care how much lipstick they slather on it, it’s still a pig.
On another subject:
Don’t forget those chickenhawks Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt; true, they’re not around to make policy today, but both ordered hundreds of thousands of uniformed personnel to death and grievous injury and never served a day themselves.
There ought to be a version of Godwin’s Law applicable to anyone making the “chickenhawk” argument these days. It’s so stupid, on so many levels, and has been refuted so many times, that it’s really become nothing more than an admission of intellectual bankruptcy.
Gee, there are so many things the federal government does with our money that I disagree with. However, I pay taxes in the knowledge that the majority of the money funds the health of this great nation.
People like this have been around since the Revolution. In 1790 Alexandar Hamiliton went to great lengths with legislation designed to persuade people to pay their taxes. British loyalists and mercenaries continued to refuse American taxation and created violent havoc in this nation up until the end of the War of 1812.
Idiots like this are not patriots and deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Regardless of their political or spiritual beliefs, this is a pre-meditated act of anarchy that fringes on traitorous activity.
Oh well, it takes all types to make this great blue marble go round and round. Have a great day everyone
twoninerkilo said:
Not a major problem as moonbats prefer to copulate with womyn who tend to abort their offspring.
But I’m lovin’ this idea of directing your taxes to fund what you deem worthy. Sort of like the Presidential Election Campaign Fund but on a more massive scale. Let the gov’t allocate funding from 85% of the general tax revenue, and let the taxpayer decide what department(s) they want their remaining 15% to go to. Make them more accountable to the people who pay their salaries.
This is a great idea and I hope more of them jump on board. The IRS is going to love them with the penalities and fees they end up having to pay.
RE #17…I couldn’t agree more with the list you made. The neatness, calmness, not wanting attention…..all so true. My brother is my personal hero yet he refuses to participate in parades and such. To him, he is just doing his job. As for punctuality??? I was 3 minutes late in getting my son to my brother’s house to work. He gave me a lecture about it. But I did (kindly) tell him that when I enlist in the Corp, THEN I will be working on his schedule. lol lol
Fantastic…let ‘em all do it, so they’ll all land their butts in jail. Then maybe we won’t have to listen to ‘em anymore.
And a lot more Canadians…
Had an uncle who was “Stationed in Canada during Vietnam”. Dad’s never quite forgiven him.
The moonbat says “You say you support the war? Enlist in the U.S. military, pick up a rifle and fight the jihadis in Iraq and Afghanistan or you’re a hypocrite.”
The wingnut should retort “You say you’re against the war? Join Al Qaeda, strap on a bombvest and fight the occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan or you’re a hypocrite.”
I guess its safe to say that logic is not the strong suit of these moonbats. They seem to think there is someone at the IRS wearing a green eyeshade that sees their check come in 15% light and says: “Their short. I better take this out of the defense budget”
In reality, only 15% of their 15% would be withheld from Defense. The other 85% of their 15% would be taken out of programs they love.
Oh, wait! The neocons are in charge of the IRS! The whole 15% will come out food stamps for illegal aliens.
My response to this lunacy, is to ask them why are they not human shields? There is no age limit to become one, and it is better way to stop the US and Coalition forces, instead of hanging out at a protest with a silly sign.
Klaatu barada nikto!
watershed-
If you’re going to post anyone who is conservative that hasn’t served, at least be fair and put up those on the left….
Starting with Hillary, Bill C., Osama, Pelosi, Reid, and you get the point…
Just because someone hasn’t served, it doesn’t mean their opinions don’t count, and you have to look at their actions. For every conservative that you have named, all of them have been openly supportive of the military and its mission in both word and deed.
Sadly, most of us can’t say the same for liberals (including veterans like kerry, murtha and innouhe)
GSP
BTW-alot of us here are vets, and I am willing to sign my DD 214 to release my records-Can you say the same for kerry?
Watershed,
In actuality, the term “Chickenhawk” has been around since Vietnam. The term originally meant those who used college deferments or other political pull to get out of military service (and yes, Clinton fits the bill – pardon the pun – while Bush does not).
Recently, the term has been changed to mean anyone who is pro military or pro war who hasn’t served in the military. The reasoning is that those who haven’t served in the military don’t have the moral authority to make such decisions (using this logic, Clinton had no moral authority to make war in Serbia, while Bush does in Iraq).
Of course, the unintended consequences of such a belief system, is that logically, those who have not served in the military have no moral authority to oppose war either…
I doubt that our founding fathers thought this way. You see, using this standard, even Lincoln was a chickenhawk.