All aboard the impeachment bandwagon: Cheney first, Bush next; Update: Dem House leader Steny Hoyer to block Kucinich resolution; Update 1:37pm Eastern: Kucinich on the House floor; Update 2:58pm Eastern Hoyer moves to table the resolution; Update 3:43pm Eastern: Vote still underway, flurry of vote-changing; Update: Hoyer motion fails; Denny K’s nutroots measure moves forward, the impeachment circus will “get its day in court;” Update: The Democrat switch-a-roonies; Update 7:45pm Eastern: What will Conyers do?
Update 7:21am Eastern 11/7. A Daily Kossack suggests that Kucinich to do it over and over and over again.”
Update 8:00pm Eastern: Quip of the night goes to corruptocrat Alcee Hastings. Gotta love the blue-on-blue action:
Kucinich “is on a quest of his own. He sees flying saucers and he acts like one,” Hastings said.
Update 7:45pm Eastern. What’s next? Fox is reporting that Kucinich claims House Judiciary Committee chairnut John Conyers told him the resolution is alive. Conyers is playing coy (hat tip – Paul M.):
Kucinich savored the victory, saying that Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers
had reassured him and backers of the resolution “that he would in fact launch an impeachment inquiry.” But Conyers told FOX News that he would announce his decision on Wednesday after speaking with House Democratic leaders.House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has previously stated that she did not want the impeachment articles to come to a vote. High-ranking Democratic Rep. Alcee Hastings, who was himself impeached while a judge in Florida, said he was not happy with Kucinich’s attempts to raise the matter on the floor in an attempt to circumvent the normal legislative process.
Update. The Hill reports that Rep. John Shadegg gets credit for outmaneuvering the Dems.
Who were the Democrat switch-a-roonies? Brian Faughnan:
There were 81 Democrats who voted to have an impeachment debate when they were pretty sure it would be tabled, then turned around and voted to prevent a debate when it was clear one might occur. Those opportunists are:
Neil Abercrombie
Tom Allen
Joe Baca
Tammy Baldwin
Bruce Braley
Lois Capps
Mike Capuano
Yvette Clarke
Bill Clay
Emanuel Cleaver
Steve Cohen
John Conyers
Joe Crowley
Elijah Cummings
Danny Davis
Pete DeFazio
Norm Dicks
Lloyd Doggett
Mike Doyle
Keith Ellison
Sam Farr
Al Green
Gene Green
Raul Grijalva
Luis Gutierrez
Phil Hare
Maurice Hinchey
Mazie Hirono
Paul Hodes
Rush Holt
Mike Honda
Darlene Hooley
Jay Inslee
Jesse Jackson
Sheila Jackson-Lee
Hank Johnson
Stephanie Tubbs Jones
Paul Kanjorski
Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick
Barbara Lee
John Lewis
Dave Loebsack
Carolyn Maloney
Betty McCollum
Jim McDermott
Greg Meeks
Mike Michaud
Brad Miller
Gwen Moore
Jim Moran
Grace Napolitano
Solomon Ortiz
Mike Pallone
Bill Pascrell
Ed Perlmutter
David Price
Charlie Rangel
Laura Richardson
Lucille Roybal-Allard
Bobby Rush
Jan Schakowsky
Bobby Scott
Jose Serrano
Carol Shea-Porter
Brad Sherman
Louise Slaughter
Hilda Solis
Pete Stark
Bart Stupak
Betty Sutton
Mike Thompson
John Tierney
Ed Towns
Nydia Velázquez
Mel Watt
Anthony Weiner
Peter Welch
Bob Wexler
Lynn Woolsey
David Wu
Albert Wynn
Update 4:52pm Eastern. Rolls are not up yet, but they’ll be here. Word is that Denny K’s measure is effectively dead because the Dems won’t act on it in the Judiciary Committee. Brian Faughnan at the Weekly Standard observes:
4:31 Update: Looks like the Democrats successfully regrouped after that first vote surprised them. The House just voted 218-194 to send Kucinich’s impeachment resolution to the Judiciary Committee. This effectively kills the bill, preventing a debate on impeachment.
It’s interesting that on such a weighty question as impeaching the vice president of the United States, votes can change so quickly. While the roll calls are not yet available, it seems there were plenty of Democrats who voted to go forward with impeachment when they thought it would fail, who suddenly voted against impeachment when it mattered. I guess it was all just about politics after all — even for the supposed ‘true believers.’
Indeed. I’ll post the roll calls when they become available.
Update 4:35pm Eastern. “The House just voted, 218-194, to send the resolution to the Judiciary Committee. That should end today’s debate- but it does keep the resolution at least technically alive.”
AP:
GOP Forces Debate on Cheney Impeachment
House Republicans, changing course midway through a vote, tried to force Democrats into a debate on a resolution to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney on the grounds he purposely led the country into war against Iraq.
The GOP tactics reversed what had been expected to an overwhelming vote to table, or kill, the resolution by longshot Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich.
Midway through the vote, with instructions from the GOP leadership, Republicans one by one changed their votes from yes _ to kill the resolution _ to no, trying to force the chamber into a debate and an up-or-down vote on the proposal.
At one point there were 290 votes to table. After the turnaround, the final vote was 251-162 against tabling, with 165 Republicans voting against it.
“We’re going to help them out, to explain themselves,” said Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas. “We’re going to give them their day in court.”
Heh.
Update 4:30pm Eastern. Chaos! Steny Hoyer’s motion to table the Denny K resolution fails 251-162.
Update 3:52pm Eastern. The current tally now shows 170 yeas, 242 nays, and 21 not voting. The nays now include 164 Republicans. It does indeed seem to me that the GOP is maneuvering to embarrass the House leadership and defeat Hoyer’s motion to table the nutroots impeachment resolution.
If you’re in the know, correct me if I’m wrong.
This is the first of four votes. We’re over an hour into a vote that was supposed to take 15 minutes.
An MSM blogger notices the developments on the floor:
At first, a whole bunch of Republicans voted with Hoyer to kill the resolution. Then they came to their senses and are in the process of switching their votes before the gavel comes down.
*** Update *** Now we are being treated to the spectacle of Democrats who had voted to table/kill the measure changing THEIR votes. They don’t want to be in a postion of defending Dick Cheney if they don’t have to.
Update 3:43pm Eastern. The vote to kill Kucinich’s impeachment resolution is wrapping up. C-SPAN’s tally shows 207 yeas (to kill), 204 nays (to support), and 22 not voting.
The nays include 133 Republicans.
Not sure what’s going on. Maybe Republicans want it to pass to embarrass the House leadership?
Lots of last-minute switching…now it’s 204 yea, 207 nay…192 yea, 219 nay…189 yea, 222, nay…
A simple majority is needed to kill the resolution. 218 is the magic number.
Update 2:58pm Eastern. Steny Hoyer just made his motion to table Kucinich’s resolution.
Update 2:54pm Eastern. If you’re in the mood for a quick trip to fantasy land, the video of Denny K is up at Hot Air.
Update 1:37pm Eastern Nutroots-mania on the House floor! Kucinich is now reading his impeachment resolution.
Update 1:27pm Eastern. This report claiming Steny Hoyer will block Kucinich’s impeachment resolution is attributed to Dow Jones…haven’t seen it anywhere else yet…so FWIW…
U.S. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said Tuesday he will block an effort to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney. Democratic presidential hopeful Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio has announced he will try to force a vote on Cheney’s impeachment. Hoyer said he will use parliamentary tactics to table that effort.
“Impeachment is not on the agenda,” Hoyer said.
Hoyer said his decision was not based upon the merits of the impeachment effort, but rather because the new Democratic majority had more important issues to resolve.
The wire dispatch is also on NASDAQ (via reader William Amos)…
Update 11:50am Eastern. Here’s the Kucinich campaign video about his impeachment crusade on YouTube. It’s self-parodying. At the end of the video, a Kucinich staffer announces a nationwide raffle to win the chance to spend an evening with Kucinich’s beautiful moonbat wife and watch the next Democrat debate with her while sticking pins in Bush and Cheney voo-doo dolls. Okay, I made that last part up about the voo-doo dolls:
Update 11:23am Eastern. Oh, crikey, they actually have an “Impeach Cheney First” song.
And I guess this little logo at the official Impeach Cheney site is for non-English speakers. Or something:
Reader Steve e-mails:
The peach that they are using in the logo at the official Impeach Cheney site is the logo from Sage Software’s Peachtree Accounting software. I just happen to have the box on my desk while I’m installing their latest version. I wonder if Sage Software (one of the largest accounting software firms) might have an issue with the nutroots using their logo.
Here’s a reference. It’s the three little droplets of water that give it away as being stolen.
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I told you on Friday about Dennis Kucinich’s privileged resolution to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney. Well, today’s the day. The UFO-spotter will hold a press conference at 3pm Eastern. The After Downing Street mob is singing a new left-wing tune: All we are saying is give impeachment a chance.
Kucinich’s co-sponsors are Jan Schakowsky, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Keith Ellison, Lynn Woolsey, Barbara Lee, Albert Wynn, William Lacy Clay, Dennis Kucinich, Yvette Clarke, Jim McDermott, Jim Moran, Bob Filner, Sam Farr, Robert Brady, Tammy Baldwin, Donald Payne, Steve Cohen, Sheila Jackson Lee, Carolyn Kilpatrick, Ed Towns, Diane Watson.
There was supposed to be a conference call last night about the resolution, but so many unhinged members of the nutroots community called in, that they apparently crashed the lines:
Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich is planning to re-schedule a nationwide conference call to discuss Articles of Impeachment against Vice President Richard B. Cheney after tonight’s planned event encountered technical problems stemming largely from the overwhelming volume of calls from interested citizens.
The Kucinich campaign apologized for the snafu, explaining that staff had significantly underestimated the number of call-ins, and public interest in the issue exceeded technological capacity. The call will be re-scheduled within the next few days.
Kucinich, author and prime sponsor of the impeachment measure against Cheney, will be introducing a privileged resolution to the House tomorrow (Tuesday) to force a vote on the matter of impeachment.
LB at Don’t Go Into the Light cracks: “…perhaps he couldn’t establish an up-link with the mother ship.”
Here’s the text of the resolution:
RESOLUTION
Impeaching Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Resolved, That Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:
Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Article I
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of Vice President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States by fabricating a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to justify the use of the United States Armed Forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security interests, to wit:
(1) Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Vice President actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction:
(A) `We know they have biological and chemical weapons.’ March 17, 2002, Press Conference by Vice President Dick Cheney and His Highness Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa, Crown Prince of Bahrain at Shaikh Hamad Palace.
(B) `. . . and we know they are pursuing nuclear weapons.’ March 19, 2002, Press Briefing by Vice President Dick Cheney and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in Jerusalem.
(C) `And he is actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time . . .’ March 24, 2002, CNN Late Edition interview with Vice President Cheney.
(D) `We know he’s got chemicals and biological and we know he’s working on nuclear.’ May 19, 2002, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(E) `But we now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons . . . Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.’ August 26, 2002, Speech of Vice President Cheney at VFW 103rd National Convention.
(F) `Based on intelligence that’s becoming available, some of it has been made public, more of it hopefully will be, that he has indeed stepped up his capacity to produce and deliver biological weapons, that he has reconstituted his nuclear program to develop a nuclear weapon, that there are efforts under way inside Iraq to significantly expand his capability.’ September 8, 2002, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(G) `He is, in fact, actively and aggressively seeking to acquire nuclear weapons.’ September 8, 2002, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(H) `And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.’ March 16, 2003, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(2) Preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq the Vice President was fully informed that no legitimate evidence existed of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The Vice President pressured the intelligence community to change their findings to enable the deception of the citizens and Congress of the United States.
(A) Vice President Cheney and his Chief of Staff, Lewis Libby, made multiple trips to the CIA in 2002 to question analysts studying Iraq’s weapons programs and alleged links to al Qaeda, creating an environment in which analysts felt they were being pressured to make their assessments fit with the Bush administration’s policy objectives accounts.
(B) Vice President Cheney sought out unverified and ultimately inaccurate raw intelligence to prove his preconceived beliefs. This strategy of cherry picking was employed to influence the interpretation of the intelligence.
(3) The Vice President’s actions corrupted or attempted to corrupt the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, an intelligence document issued on October 1, 2002, and carefully considered by Congress prior to the October 10, 2002, vote to authorize the use of force. The Vice President’s actions prevented the necessary reconciliation of facts for the National Intelligence Estimate which resulted in a high number of dissenting opinions from technical experts in two Federal agencies.
(A) The State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research dissenting view in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate stated `Lacking persuasive evidence that Baghdad has launched a coherent effort to reconstitute it’s nuclear weapons program INR is unwilling to speculate that such an effort began soon after the departure of UN inspectors or to project a timeline for the completion of activities it does not now see happening. As a result INR is unable to predict that Iraq could acquire a nuclear device or weapon.’.
(B) The State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research dissenting view in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate also stated that `Finally, the claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are, in INR’s assessment, highly dubious.’.
(C) The State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research dissenting view in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate references a Department of Energy opinion by stating that `INR accepts the judgment of technical experts at the US Department of Energy (DOE) who have concluded that the tubes Iraq seeks to acquire are poorly suited for use in gas centrifuges to be used for uranium enrichment and finds unpersuasive the arguments advanced by others to make the case that they are intended for that purpose.’.
The Vice President subverted the national security interests of the United States by setting the stage for the loss of more than 3300 United States service members; the loss of 650,000 Iraqi citizens since the United States invasion; the loss of approximately $500 billion in war costs which has increased our Federal debt; the loss of military readiness within the United States Armed Services due to overextension, lack of training and lack of equipment; the loss of United States credibility in world affairs; and the decades of likely blowback created by the invasion of Iraq.
In all of this, Vice President Richard B. Cheney has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as Vice President, and subversive of constitutional government, to the prejudice of the cause of law and justice and the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, is guilty of an impeachable offense warranting removal from office.
Article II
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of Vice President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda in order to justify the use of the United States Armed Forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security interests, to wit:
(1) Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Vice President actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda:
(A) `His regime has had high-level contacts with Al Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to Al Qaeda terrorists.’ December 2, 2002, Speech of Vice President Cheney at the Air National Guard Senior Leadership Conference.
(B) `His regime aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda. He could decide secretly to provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against us.’ January 30, 2003, Speech of Vice President Cheney to 30th Political Action Conference in Arlington, Virginia.
(C) `We know he’s out trying once again to produce nuclear weapons and we know that he has a long-standing relationship with various terrorist groups, including the Al Qaeda organization.’ March 16, 2003, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(D) `We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on biological weapons and chemical weapons . . .’ September 14, 2003, NBC Meet the Press interview with Vice President Cheney.
(E) `Al Qaeda had a base of operation there up in Northeastern Iraq where they ran a large poisons factory for attacks against Europeans and U.S. forces.’ October 3, 2003, Speech of Vice President Cheney at Bush-Cheney ‘04 Fundraiser in Iowa.
(F) `He also had an established relationship with Al Qaeda providing training to Al Qaeda members in areas of poisons, gases, and conventional bombs.’ October 10, 2003, Speech of Vice President Cheney to the Heritage Foundation.
(G) `Al Qaeda and the Iraqi intelligence services have worked together on a number of occasions.’ January 9, 2004, Rocky Mountain News interview with Vice President Cheney.
(H) `I think there’s overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between Al Qaeda and the Iraqi government.’ January 22, 2004, NPR: Morning Edition interview with Vice President Cheney.
(I) `First of all, on the question of–of whether or not there was any kind of relationship, there clearly was a relationship. It’s been testified to; the evidence is overwhelming.’ June 17, 2004, CNBC: Capital Report interview with Vice President Cheney.
(2) Preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq the Vice President was fully informed that no credible evidence existed of a working relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda, a fact articulated in several official documents, including:
(A) A classified Presidential Daily Briefing ten days after the September 11, 2001, attacks indicating that the United States intelligence community had no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11th attacks and that there was `scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda’.
(B) Defense Intelligence Terrorism Summary No. 044-02, issued in February 2002 by the United States Defense Intelligence Agency, which challenged the credibility of information gleaned from captured al Qaeda leader al-Libi. The DIA report also cast significant doubt on the possibility of a Saddam Hussein-al-Qaeda conspiracy: `Saddam’s regime is intensely secular and is wary of Islamic revolutionary movements. Moreover, Baghdad is unlikely to provide assistance to a group it cannot control.’.
(C) A January 2003 British intelligence classified report on Iraq that concluded that `there are no current links between the Iraqi regime and the al-Qaeda network’.
The Vice President subverted the national security interests of the United States by setting the stage for the loss of more than 3,300 United States service members; the loss of 650,000 Iraqi citizens since the United States invasion; the loss of approximately $500 billion in war costs which has increased our Federal debt; the loss of military readiness within the United States Armed Services due to overextension, lack of training and lack of equipment; the loss of United States credibility in world affairs; and the decades of likely blowback created by the invasion of Iraq.
In all of this, Vice President Richard B. Cheney has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as Vice President, and subversive of constitutional government, to the prejudice of the cause of law and justice and the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, is guilty of an impeachable offense warranting removal from office.
Article III
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of Vice President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has openly threatened aggression against the Republic of Iran absent any real threat to the United States, and done so with the United States proven capability to carry out such threats, thus undermining the national security of the United States, to wit:
(1) Despite no evidence that Iran has the intention or the capability of attacking the United States and despite the turmoil created by United States invasion of Iraq, the Vice President has openly threatened aggression against Iran as evidenced by the following:
(A) `For our part, the United States is keeping all options on the table in addressing the irresponsible conduct of the regime. And we join other nations in sending that regime a clear message: We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.’ March 7, 2006, Speech of Vice President Cheney to American Israel Public Affairs Committee 2006 Policy Conference.
(B) `But we’ve also made it clear that all options are on the table.’ January 24, 2007, CNN Situation Room interview with Vice President Cheney.
(C) `When we–as the President did, for example, recently–deploy another aircraft carrier task force to the Gulf, that sends a very strong signal to everybody in the region that the United States is here to stay, that we clearly have significant capabilities, and that we are working with friends and allies as well as the international organizations to deal with the Iranian threat.’ January 29, 2007, Newsweek interview with Vice President Cheney.
(D) `But I’ve also made the point and the President has made the point that all options are still on the table.’ February 24, 2007, Vice President Cheney at Press Briefing with Australian Prime Minister in Sydney, Australia.
(2) The Vice President, who repeatedly and falsely claimed to have had specific, detailed knowledge of Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction capabilities, is no doubt fully aware of evidence that demonstrates Iran poses no real threat to the United States as evidenced by the following:
(A) `I know that what we see in Iran right now is not the industrial capacity you can [use to develop a] bomb.’ Mohamed ElBaradei, Director General of International Atomic Energy Agency, February 19, 2007.
(B) Iran indicated its `full readiness and willingness to negotiate on the modality for the resolution of the outstanding issues with the IAEA, subject to the assurances for dealing with the issues in the framework of the Agency, without the interference of the United Nations Security Council’. IAEA Board Report, February 22, 2007.
(C) `. . . so whatever they have, what we have seen today, is not the kind of capacity that would enable them to make bombs.’ Mohamed El Baradei, Director General of International Atomic Energy Agency, February 19, 2007.
(3) The Vice President is fully aware of the actions taken by the United States towards Iran that are further destabilizing the world as evidenced by the following:
(A) The United States has refused to engage in meaningful diplomatic relations with Iran since 2002, rebuffing both bilateral and multilateral offers to dialogue.
(B) The United States is currently engaged in a military buildup in the Middle East that includes the increased presence of the United States Navy in the waters near Iran, significant United States Armed Forces in two nations neighboring to Iran, and the installation of anti-missile technology in the region.
(C) News accounts have indicated that military planners have considered the B61-11, a tactical nuclear weapon, as one of the options to strike underground bunkers in Iran.
(D) The United States has been linked to anti-Iranian organizations that are attempting to destabilize the Iranian government, in particular the Mujahideen-e Khalq (MEK), even though the state department has branded it a terrorist organization.
(E) News accounts indicate that United States troops have been ordered into Iran to collect data and establish contact with anti-government groups.
(4) In the last three years the Vice President has repeatedly threatened Iran. However, the Vice President is legally bound by the U.S. Constitution’s adherence to international law that prohibits threats of use of force.
(A) Article VI of the United States Constitution states, `This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land.’ Any provision of an international treaty ratified by the United States becomes the law of the United States.
(B) The United States is a signatory to the United Nations Charter, a treaty among the nations of the world. Article II, Section 4 of the United Nations Charter states, `All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.’ The threat of force is illegal.
(C) Article 51 lays out the only exception, `Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.’ Iran has not attacked the United States; therefore any threat against Iran by the United States is illegal.
The Vice President’s deception upon the citizens and Congress of the United States that enabled the failed United States invasion of Iraq forcibly altered the rules of diplomacy such that the Vice President’s recent belligerent actions towards Iran are destabilizing and counterproductive to the national security of the United States.
In all of this, Vice President Richard B. Cheney has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as Vice President, and subversive of constitutional government, to the prejudice of the cause of law and justice and the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
And that is just the beginning.
Kucinich called up a left-wing blogger to let him know that Bush is next:
Congressman Dennis Kucinich said on a conference call Monday evening that after moving to impeach Vice President Cheney on Tuesday he will also introduce, at a future date, a resolution to impeach President Bush. Or rather, he would have said that on the conference call if not for several technical SNAFUs.
The call was advertised as a one-way call on which only Kucinich could speak, but Kucinich was unable to get through because of the incredible number of people on the call (I have no count yet, but the dings of the new people coming on were a steady stream of noise for half an hour).
So Kucinich phoned me, and I held one of my phones up to another so that everyone on the call could hear him. That was working fine for about 20 seconds, until the geniuses running the call chose that moment to mute everyone except Dennis (without stopping to realize that by muting me they were muting Dennis). So, Kucinich gave a nice speech through my phones, but I was the only one listening.
What will Nancy “Impeachment is off the table” Pelosi do?
Stay tuned for the day-long circus.
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What’s the purpose? Don’t they have anything better to do?
I knew Barnum and Bailey as well as Ringling Brothers were downsizing but
whyhow did they end up in Congress?I think Kucinich was abducted by that UFO he saw and they experimented on his brain.
There are a whole series of Senators and Representatives that are much more realistically impeachable for betraying the public trust of those that elected them than anyone at the top of this administration …
What is so ridiculous is that these buffoons don’t seem to realize that if we weren’t in Iraq and Afghanistan we would be fighting the GWOT somewhere else on the planet. These terrorists are not going to go away by wasting all the congressional hours trying to do something this stupid. They only understand one thing and that is military force. You can’t reason with the insanity of radicalism.
Of course, once you consider the source you realize the UFO man is at it again.
I think Kucinich should be impeached for claiming to have a brain.
This is our Congress for today.
Congress Clowns
I say let the crazies go at it and the rest of America will sit back and go “we voted Democrat in 06 why”. Jackasses all.
Remember in 1998, they said trying to impeach the President was a “coup.”
Same people too.
Tough on impeachment and soft on terrorism, and inept at technology and these are their strong points? Wonder what their week points are?
Impeaching a VP, and a wartime President would put President Nancy into the white house. Effectively stealing the title of First Woman President from Hilary — Could this lead to a Hillary Nancy catfight?
Sounds like the Hollywood writers have been caught writing for political reality shows again.
This is not funny. This makes me sick. The liberals want to free terrorists and treat our President and Vice President like criminals DURING A TIME OF WAR!
Two words that have lost their meaning:
Treachery
Sedition
What really makes me sad is people are sucking this up.
The only thing that makes sense is using Kucinick and SNAFU in the same sentence. The dogface soldiers of WWII could hardly have imagined when they were coining the acronym SNAFU (situation normal – all f***ed up) that it would someday be so appropriately applied to our elected representatives.
My prediction – the impeachment resolution goes nowhere. But it should be entertaining to watch as Dennis relays messages from the mother ship.
I’m making popcorn if anyone wants to come over…
ha ha ha…. as it should be.
Time for the Republicans to move to expell Kucinich from the House.
President Clinton explains Iraq strike – December 16, 1998 – “Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack
Iraq’s nuclear,
chemical, and
biological weapons
programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.”
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
Why on earth are the republicans so loud in their silence over this complete misuse of time energy and money? Why hasn’t someone slapped Kucinich down and told him to get a grip, if not a life? Hello mars?
MrFreeman07,
Michelle answered that long ago. They have no gum balls.
Morning soap,
the ventilators should do one “we have no gum balls today”
sung to the tune of “we have no bananas today”
What a bunch of Crapweasels.
I sure hope he has some hard evidence to back his claim up. Otherwise, he will need to impeach some very important Democrat senators too. Most of his claims are from interviews the VP gave. Has he bothered to check the Congressional Record?
If I were a Republican lawmaker, I would stand up and interrupt this little show and ask that everyone who signed on to this resolution be charged with sedition immediately. Then I would ask to censure every one of these traitors! I would interrupt them constantly, making every effort to stop this silliness.
Finally, I would find it interesting if Pelosi controls the gavel during this little tirade.
Reading from the articles of impeachment….how does Mr. Kucinich KNOW that there were not weapons of mass destruction. Our (supposed) not finding them is NOT evidence they do not exist. As far as I am aware, bin Laden exists, but we’ve not been able to find him either. If I remember correctly, Eric Rudolph existed, and it took us several years to find him even though we “knew” where he was within a 10 mile by 10 mile area. Maybe the UFO’s told him this.
Saddam sure seemed to act like he had them. If he didn’t, he sure seemed willing to give up everything to perpetuate a ruse.
When you ask a child if he took the cookies from the cookie jar and he won’t look you in the eye and say no – what do you conclude? In Kucinich’s case, he concludes that since the cookies were not found in the pockets of the child, obviously the cookies did not exist.
Consider this…
Just for the sake of argument, the Moonbats pull this off and impeach Cheney. Then they start going after Bush. Several things could happen.
1) Bush gets off his posterior and fights back hard. IMHO there is sufficient information in the public record to have a number of members of Congress arrested and charged with treason. (As defined by the constitution)
Who knows what an actual criminal investigation would show?
(Like a certain fat senator from a north eastern state who twice offered his office to the USSR to wreck 2 presidency’s?)
Having a dozen or so members hauled off to jail in shackles, then trying them and asking for the death penalty would definitely scare the **** out of the remainder, not to mention if actual convictions were attained and upheld.
Ok, I can dream can’t I?
A second possibility…
2)They pull it off and we have President Pelosi. She promptly begins surrendering to everyone she can.
Now suppose that thanks to her efforts we get hit again by the islamofascists and this time she decides “Oh no! We can’t do anything! It’s all our, (The U.S.A.) fault and the fault of Bush!”
I think the military might decided that she is a domestic enemy and has to be removed along with the morons in congress. (Both Parties) The generals wouldn’t want to run the country for more then a day so they will probably get one of the 4-5 ethical members of congress to run things until the next election.
Ok, enough with the fantasies. Any more and I’ll be forced of to KOSland, where the sky is pink and the rivers are made of chocolate and the trees are pure cotton candy.
Off to the polls for me and my wife. She’s voting straight democrat. She has to since she’s not a citizen and we all know that all non-citizens have no choice but to vote for the dimwit party.
So the Nutroots are “Interested Citizens” and those concerned with the Constitution, the Law and little frivolities such as true freedom and liberty are fascist now? You think Stalin, Mao and Lenin will get a break from their current place of residence to celebrate?
No wonder nothing gets done with a dem congress their too busy chasing fairy tales.
We have some real issues and they want to have law suits.
Anyone that’s votes these fools in again deserve what they get!
After all the taxes I’m paying in for this loser to have a salary, I totally demand a refund.
This is a waste of MY MONEY and I want it back. These dumb-arse twerps in Congress wouldn’t know the meaning of the title “public servant” if someone shoved an entire encyclopedia britannica up their bums.
Howdy AJ,
I saw the pictures of the writers guild protesting. Must have made the signs up before the strike!
/on topic
Great post e-ned. I am with you on the dream part. If we keep dreaming like that, we will be the one’s accused of wearing tin foil hats – LOL.
Actually they prevent military backlash by introducing the PAX into the atmosphere to reduce aggressiveness. Then every red state turns Reaver and eats the hippies alive. I know it sounds gross but once you get past the natural gagging reflex it’s not much worse than paying taxes
Glad you liked it.
Oh, Tin foil is so last year. This year it’s copper mesh. Don’t you think it just goes so well with a “Trust fund tan?”
You know, a tan developed by people with large trust funds, no need to work and huge amounts of liberal guilt? They get it sitting around San Tropaz discussing the plight of those poor peons forced to live in flyover country.
Conservatives impeached Bill Clinton over much less.
Pelosi said impeachment was off the table and she meant it. She is not supporting the Kucinich bill.
I think history will judge that the Bush, Jr. years were the moswt corrupt since Teapot Dome.
Why not counter-post all the quotes from Democrats during the same 2002 time period in which they *also* said that Saddam had and was developing more WMD?
Clinton’s actions were criminal no matter who had committed them, just one difference and there are many more. Just who has Bush raped? But this is a good thing over all. Two things are in desperate need of an airing here; firstly the insipid lunacy of Kucinich. This guy is more stupid and crazy than Edwards and that is saying something. Secondly, that these “charges” to date swirling in the Leftwing phantasm unchallenged are without any foundation. It is just another in a long string of Leftwing slanders… cowards despising better men. That’s what these scum are. And there greatest terror is that Bush was actually right all along. Oh, the humanity!
#28 please expand on how Bush is corrupt…..
In this case, I think it is wise for Republicans to keep silent till after the Kabucki theater gets going. The Dems are going to make themselves look really, really bad with this, so, let them yap away and provide material to be used later on.
Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. How many times have you been told to ALWAYS wear that tinfoil hat when you’re on the mothership?
I guess the 500+ munitions we FOUND in Iraq loaded with chemical agents don’t count. I guess the mobile chem. labs, the antidote vials, the chemical protection suits, the 18 warheads found by the Polish unit also don’t count. And what happens when we are finally able to comb around Syria and find the drums of chemicals that were moved there right before we invaded Iraq. It’s amazing how the actual confirmed evidence of the WMD program that existed has been erased from the equation. Let’s not forget Joe Wilson’s lies about Saddam trying to acquire yellow cake for a nuclear weapon.
Is he also going to bring charges against Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and the rest of the democraps that were screaming about Iraq’s WMD’s….hmmmm??
BDS is definitely a disease because these people are certifiably insane!
Why now? Besides the fact that the claims are ludicrous, the President only has a year left. Droves of people are already unhappy with him. Impeaching him, assuming they even succeed in passing the impeachment resolution, isn’t going to do a damn thing, except maybe produce an even bigger backlash against the libtards. Rather than doing what the American population sent them to Congress for, they’re going to waste the next year on a toothless resolution that won’t be ratified.
What is this country coming to? It looks terrible to the world that we aren’t united. These crazy liberals cant concentrate on anything positive. All they care to do is bring down conservatives.
#28
What corruptness are you referring to? Have you not been safe and terror free these past almost 7 years??????
William….I’m with you….there is no downside here for the republicans, they should do what they are doing….then, when pelosi tries to lie her way out of NOT trying to impeach anyone, just remind the whole world of everything that the leftists had been saying since 1998 and well into 2003….which is exactly the same stuff kookcinich is accusing cheney for lying about….should be entertaining!!!
lgm – are you serious? Lying under oath – you can look it up – it’s called Perjury – is not LESS. It’s defined as a crime.
What will Nancy Pelosi do?
Well, what does Nancy have to gain if by some stretch of our imaginations Cheney and Bush were to both resign, or be convicted and removed from office?
I think she’ll go right along with the Articles and get them into the process, just as soon as she can.
Ah, yes – President Pelosi. Has quite a different ring to it. Rolls off the tongue so easily.
I don’t think this has a chance of getting Mr. Cheney or Mr. Bush out of office, but unfortunately it’s going to rather paralyze the White House with mounds of subpoenae and depositions.
I’m certain Mr. Kunicinich will be pleased with his accomplishment, no matter what the outcome.
sorry all – couldn’t help it responding. I should’ve just ignored.
Shouldn’t Kucinich also impeach everyone on this long list of quotes ?
For starters….Madame Speaker
“Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There’s no question about that.”
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
During an interview on “Meet The Press”
November 17, 2002
http://www.accuracy.org/newsrelease.php?articleId=375
Kucinich
They may get Cheney, but they will not kick G.W. out of office.
Pelosi is next in line if they take out George and Dick.
The Pantsuited Empress Cankles the First will never allow another woman to usurp her rightful throne. She has a destiny, and she will never, ever, let anybody stand in its way, not even another female Democrat.
What’s going to happen (if anything happens at all) is a replay of Billy Jeff 1998, where Bush is impeached and has that smear on his record, but is not kicked out of office.
Which one of you newbies let the troll in?
Don’t feed the troll.
Bush Corrupt?
Not according to John Edwards.
Bush did not lie
Fat tone,
I have always enjoyed that long list of liars.
What a total abuse of constitutional power. I guess the dems have to do something to appease their far left supporters.
I am perusing this over my morning coffee. And I am so very much looking forward to reading DU and other sites to see what they say. I am sure it will run the gamut from “Thank God!” to “The revolution has begun!” When the effort fails they will of course go back to normal ranting about the fix being in. LOL!
soap – actually I think lgm really does believe what he said. He’s just plainly rather uninformed about facts and stuff. Although when your worldview is there is no such thing as an absolute, and no source of absolutes…then truth is whatever you want it to be at the moment.
And we all know that this applies to everyone but the Clintons.
As long as the Dems are wasting their time trying to impeach, that means they won’t have as much time to pursue their looney agenda. Every cloud has a silver lining!
As to the impeachments themselves, you have to have proof of a “high crime or misdemeanor”, such as lying under oath like Slick Willy. Where’s the beef, Dems?
The UFO-spotter will hold a press conference at 3pm Eastern.
Believe it or not conservatives have spotted UFOs too :=) Barry Goldwater loved to talk to his pilot buddies about them.
Republicans should come up with a skit that depicts an impeachment proceeding against an exhumed FDR.
Yep … they were “inundated” with callers … must have been more than 10 callers I would have to assume …
as for Clinton the Great …
The only wars that Clinton waged were against the American people in places like Ruby Ridge and WACO, along with terrorizing small Cuban children (Elian Gonzales, whose mother died to get him out of Cuba) in order to score points with Castro so he could be used as a communist poster child.
Yet he did nothing to respond to the first WTC bombing or the USS Cole bombing, refused Bin Laden when he was offered to us as a prisoner and would not let us take him out when we had him in our sites because of “collateral damage” concerns.
When he wasn’t busy with interns, he was too busy with his UN cronies dropping bombs from several miles up in Kosovo … where we still have troops many years later … (I seem to recall a promise they would be home by Christmas) …
This was a much higher level of failure to perform the duties of his office than anything that has happened during the current administration …
“Republicans should come up with a skit that depicts an impeachment proceeding against an exhumed FDR.”
YAFers…get on it!
If Cheney is removed from office after a trial in the Senate, Bush gets to pick his successor, just as Nixon picked Ford to replace Spiro Agnew. Not that this is likely to happen, since the whole impeachment process will last longer than Cheney’s remaining time in office. Indeed, this length of time will be enough for the loony left to thoroughly tarnish mainstream Democrats.
No kidding….revisionists piss me straight off…….
Impeachment should be taken off the table and reserved for only the worst offenses. Anything else looks like political gamesmanship and that destroys the seriousness of impeachment.
However, anyone who thinks that Vice President Cheney didn’t exaggerate and, frankly, lie on the raod to Iraq is absolutely kidding themselves. Even if Iraq did have chemical weapons (and they did, courtesy of the Reagan administration), that doesn’t excuse the hype surrounding the war. Iraq was not working to build a nuclear weapon, they weren’t a reasonable threat to our allies, and, most importantly, they were not a safe haven for al-Queda. Hamas, yes. Al-Queda, no.
A case for invasion could have been made on its merits. I wouldn’t have supported it either way, but I’m sure the majority of the country would have disagreed with me. But that wasn’t good enough for the administration and the legislators (on the left and right) who bought into this hook, line, and sinker. The exaggerations going into Iraq put our security at risk. Surely that’s good for at least a censure.
Nice try Rusty – but you can’t prove the negative. How do you KNOW that Saddam wasn’t doing any of the things you claim he wasn’t doing?
This is utterly hilarious.
How many video links are out there in which major democrats (Gore, Clinton) discuss how WMD’s were in the hands of Saddam? Yeah, I really bet Cheney had everything to do with that.
Rant, go!
This is an important time for republicans and I think we’re missing something significant. We’re all focused on the Presidential seat but I have yet to see a great deal of discussion and planning to re-take congress and the senate. All that these idiots have been able to do is point fingers and shove pork into bills that may’ve once been reasonable, turning this congress into a useless waste. I laugh every time Bush vetoes something – the congress wanted so badly to have a lame duck president yet he’s managed to prevent them from ruining this nation.
Then, of course, they point fingers at the republicans for things and hide behind children and the elderly.
I honestly don’t care who gets the presidency as long as it’s a FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE republican with, most importantly, a republican majority house and senate.
Re-take Congress, 2008!
Rant, off!
Rusty,
See #41 “long list of quotes” and try again.
Chap coming to Rusty’s defence in 5…4…3…
Repeat after me.
Scud
-lgm
It’s ironic then, that the corrupt branch of the govt. (congress) is the one filing articles of impeachment.
Rusty,
click the link inj my first post and be informed.
Soap – how dare you consider that a reasonable threat. You have to remember that the danger of Atta and the boys wasn’t when they got into the US and overstayed , or when they went to terrorist training or when they were planning the attack, or when they were getting flight training or even when they were boarding the flights out of Boston, it was only an imminent threat after they hit the building (and maybe not even then?)
I went out of my way to make sure I threw in the Dems too. Granted they were presented with bad intelligence. But very few of them questioned that intelligence.
Because we’ve been able to establish the things Saddam was and wasn’t doing since the invasion. It turned out our original intelligence, which Cheney is thought to have manipulated, was way off. There was no nuclear program and the WMDs were primitive. No link to al-Queda could be found.
Again, I know very well that Iraq had WMDs. We gave them to Saddam and he used them on his fellow citizens.
Tangent: I know a lot of people on this site love Reagan. Why would you think so highly of an administration that provided dangerous weaponry to both Iran and Iraq? I know hindsight is 20/20 and all, but, sheesh. If Bill Clinton had done that you would have crucified him.
Soap-box,
SCUDs? Really? Does that mean we can invade any and all “bad actors” that happen to have missiles?
Just want to make sure I understand you. If I use a “primitive” weapon to kill someone, that’s somehow different than using a “modern/high tech” one? I think you’re just as dead with either.
Interesting thing here is that the VPs comments were all to reporters. They were NOT taken while under oath…
So, even if he lied, he is NOT perjuring himself.
And there was a case recently decided where it is quite all right for politicians to lie… was decided out West somewhere I think… they overturned a law saying they had to tell the truth.
So, where is the “High Crime”?
As to the underlieing charge… I believe the Bush adminis still sitting on classified files of where that stuff went… but does not want to release it due to the destabilizing affect on the already volitile mid east… it would have forced there hand into a larger war…
Just like they sat on Iranian involvement in Iraq… and still sit on Saudi involvement (1/2 of all foreign fighters in Iraq are Saudi)….
However, that data WILL come out under these circumstances…. and one reason Pelosi does not want impeachment hearings is she KNOWS the data exists…. Kuchy does not…
It’s true that Bill Clinton was caught doing something illegal. Lots of things are illegal – J-walking, speeding. Some are more serious than others because they do more harm. Cheney and Bush started a war. Clinton impeded a Federal investigation by denying a lawful but legal consensual sexual encounter. Unlike the Libby investigation, Clinton’s lie did not actually harm the investigation.
And will somebody please admit that no WMDs were found. There were useless residuals of incompletely destroyed ten year old chemical warheads (Saddam had used them ten years ago when Clinton said he did).
lgm…please read and comprehend. Rusty even a few posts ago says there are WMD’s. And some have been found.
Further – as has been pointed out – Saddam’s behavior indicated he was hiding something (and I doubt the “secret” was items on his shopping list for his wives for their birthdays)
Rusty … you seem to think Billy Boy didn’t give away weaponry and such … sorry to burst your bubble … but he negated in his first months the long standing bans on selling the latest US weapons and technology to countries like China, Russia and others …
so now they have the latest computer systems and more …
they reverse engineered all those items and have made their own modifications and improvements …
they are now using that knowledge against us in the world markets on all levels …
where do you think all of the knockoffs and counterfeit versions of products come from? …
My cousin Richard not only saw UFOs, but he was on a first name basis with a Martian named G’no Tai. What a pity Richard died. He could have made a great staffer for Kucinich.
After reading Dennis Lawson’s description of the planned conference call with Dennis Kucinich I am bemused bewildered and bothered.
First and foremost: does Mr. Lawson really expect us to believe that there were an “incredible number of people on the call,” where the steady stream of dings created noise for a half hour.” This sure sounds like bull-pucky to me.
Second: This supposed tsunami of “dings” caused a SNAFU and no-one on the call could hear their vaunted leader. But, a stroke of genius hit “No Strings” Denny Boy. He quickly and fortuitously called the intrepid Mr. Lawson, who then “held up one of my phones to another phone” so all of those waiting could hear the pearls of wisdom from wannabe President “UFO” – though with that steady stream of dings creating some much noise I’m not sure they how they could possibly hear anything. What does ring true is “ding-y” does describe most of Kucinich’s devotees.
Third: Mr. Lawson says his clever and resourceful thinking worked for “20 seconds, until the geniuses running the call to mute everyone except Dennis.” This meant, according to Mr. Lawson that while Kucinich “made a nice speech, I was the only one listening.” Now Kucinich speaking and only one person listening does seem par for the course.
So Kucinich and his team couldn’t successfully pull off a simple conference call, but they think he can be President. Good Lord!
Try again Rusty. This was your statement: “they weren’t a reasonable threat to our allies”.
Israel was really patient while the rest of the world sat and did nothing. So, by your statement, Israel is not one of our allies? Lobbing SCUDS was not an act of war? It was OUR efforts (talking with our ally – Israel) that kept Syria from getting nuked! So, by proxy, Iraq was a threat to Syria as well.
Care to keep this up?
Geez. If Nancy Pelosi becomes President, I’m going to look for Kucinich’s UFO and beg it to take me away from here.
And no Democrats believed this? To wit:
John Kerry, 2002
Al Gore, 2002.
Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd, 2002.
The New York Times, repeatedly from 1999-2000
The Washington Post, 2001.
So who’s lying? Why are the Democrats – who insisted Saddam had WMDs until saying otherwise proved politically lucrative – not held accountable? And why has no one on the left even explored the possibility that the WMDs were moved prior to the invasion?
and post number 73 wins.
Keith Ellison
Get used to that name being on all Anti-American, anti-conservative, anti-Christian bills.
Did I miss something? When did Iraq shoot SCUDs at Israel?
Oh, wait. You mean in 1991? Yeah, that was an act of war. As was invading Kuwait. That’s why we declared war on them. That war had already been fought. We won. Big time.
You seem to be arguing that the Iraqi invasion was a continuation of Desert Storm. That wasn’t the argument the current administration was making back in 2002 and 2003.
By your logic we should invade Argentina since they remain a credible threat to invade the Falkland Islands.
I don’t always agree w/Mr. Bush, but he’s our President…I’m proud to support him. The fringe in this country is a prime example of “this is your brain on drugs”. God be with us………
Rusty, we never declared war on Iraq….ever.
Quit arguing with Rusty. Don’t feed trolls, especially ones that think they sound smart and really aren’t.
I think Dennis has screwed his party, and I don’t think the Republicans shouldn’t fight this at all.
1. If Nancy doesn’t support this, she’ll upset her own party. The Republicans can claim that she didn’t support it because she knew the claims were false.
2. If it passes, then all the truths will come out during the actual proceeding. The world will see that no crime was committed.
However, I think we should all admit that Bush/Cheney shouldn’t have used WMDs alone to sell this war. They should have known that it would give the left too much power if nothing was found. Even if they were confident that WMDs would be found; they still gambled and lost.
We are in the midst of a world wide war involving 25 to 50 countries, and all the Democrats can do is try to undermine that war. My only hope is that 2008 is a full repudiation of these radical leftists.
Chamberlain would be so proud, and Churchill would be so right. Too bad that in the public school system nobody learns from history.
Rusty,
Your statement (one more time):“they weren’t a reasonable threat to our allies”
No! I am arguing your statement. Iraq was not a reasonable threat to our allies. Israel was under a constant threat just because they are Israel. Thanks for the reminder of Kuwait.
The SCUD attacks were unprovoked and so was the invasion of Kuwait.
But, hey, they have never been “a reasonable threat to our allies”.
Im not interested in arguing with Rusty because I know he is just spewing the usual liberal stuff, but I am just so intrigued as to where his so called facts are coming from. The fact that he smeared Reagan on a topic that has little to do with that time period is beyond me.
Mercutio,
Sorry. I should take my own advice – eh?
Actually, the invasion of Iraq was a continuation of Desert Storm, by Saddam’s breach of 17 resolutions put inplace by and after the cease fire agreement.
Even Harry reid said such…
“We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict.”
Senator Harry Reid (Democrat, Nevada)
Addressing the US Senate
October 9, 2002
Congressional Record, p. S10145
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/
cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S10145&dbname=2002_record
Go ahead let them impeach or try to impeach Cheney. If I were Bush & Cheney, I would let it go and then have Cheney resign, so that Bush can appoint a new VP. Someone like say Guiliani or Romney. They can’t impeach either one of those; and then if I were Bush I would say: “Go ahead now impeach me, cause then the VP (running for Presidency) will become the President….
let’s see what happens then? it would make it really exciting to see Hillary try to run against an encumbent. Especially, if it were Guiliani….LOL
I am so embarrased (not surprised, mind you, just embarrased) that my CongressionalMoonbat is a co-sponsor of this nonsense. I have written to tell him what I think of his involvement in this idiocy, but hold out little hope that it will matter.
He is one who is owned, body and soul, by the CAIR’s, MoveOn.org’s, DailyKos’, etc. His vision is of a new Amerika – a perfect Socialist Utopia where a paternalist government reigns over a collective of passive workers.
The real wonder here is how the Congression approval rating is as high as it currently is…
Why aren’t we spending more time on finding out why our intelligence was so bad about WMD’s in Iraq? All our intelligence sources in Iraq lied to us. Are these the same people who are now in charge in the “new Iraq”? How can we trust anything we are told when they were so dishonest about the weapons? Rather than going after Vice-President Cheney for believing the same things the Congress believed, let’s find out how we were so deceived, so that it won’t happen again.
mytake…it wasn’t just our intelligeence….the intel was world stipulated intel, spiked with “first hand ” accounts by Arab leaders…….such as Mubarek.
Hey again….WHAT ABOUT THE 500+ munitions we FOUND loaded with chemical agents???? If they were so useless because they were “old”, then why don’t we just store them in Kennedy’s basement. They werren’t dangerous right?
There WERE WMD’s in Iraq and besides, that was never the sole reason given to invade but leave it to the left to try to find one thread to support their warped logic.
And yes….what about the stockpiles being moved? There is more than a little evidence that that probably happened.
Reagan provided Iraq with chemical weapons in the 1980s while they were at war with Iran. This is not some liberal moonbat crazy talk. This is fact. Reagan, or at least his administration, was of course secretly and illegally providing Iran with weapons at the same time. Also unassailable fact. Any discussion on whether Iraq had chemical weapons should mention this.
And, soap-box, Iraq was not a credible threat to our allies. (Save for their support of Hamas. But if we attacked every country that had ties to Hamas we’d be in way over our heads.) They were at one point a threat and we absolutely stomped them in battle.
Twelve years later with no attacks and they’re still perceived as a credible threat worthy of invasion? Really? As I said before, what’s stopping us from invading Argentina? They are putting British interests at risk in the Falklands!