Miami Herald writer threatens open-borders intifada
This certainly sounds like a threat, doesn’t it:
The rapid escalation of the U.S. anti-immigration hysteria — fueled by ratings-hungry cable-television hotheads and leading Republican presidential hopefuls — is a dangerous trend: It may lead to a Hispanic intifada that may rock this nation in the not-so-distant future.
Remember the Palestinian intifada of the early 1990s, when thousands of frustrated young Palestinians took to the streets and threw stones at Israeli troops? Remember the French intifada of the summer of 2005, in which disenfranchised Muslim youths burned cars and stores in the suburbs of Paris?
If we are not careful, we may see something similar coming from the estimated 13 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, most of them Hispanic, who are increasingly vilified in the media, forced further into the underground by spineless politicians and not given any chance to legalize their status by a pusillanimous U.S. Congress.
Translation: Give us amnesty or else!
Fortunately, some members of Congress aren’t cowed. Remember the Democrat congressman I told you about, Heath Shuler, who is sponsoring a real immigration enforcement bill? Well, he’s joined with Republicans and the bill will be introduced today:
Two ardent proponents of border security are teaming up to introduce a bipartisan bill aimed at curtailing illegal immigration through employer sanctions.
Reps. Brian Bilbray (R-Calif.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.), who were both elected after strongly criticizing President Bush’s approach to immigration reform, are unveiling a bill Tuesday that has already attracted the support of dozens of members.
“It’s the one [immigration] bill that will pass this Congress,” said Bilbray in an interview. “We have to make this about illegal employment and crack down on employers.”
The Secure America with Verification and Enforcement (SAVE) Act focuses on three areas: employment enforcement, interior enforcement and increased border security.
…The Shuler-Bilbray bill would also close existing loopholes that allow illegal immigrants to use the same Social Security number and will require information-sharing between the Department of Homeland Security, the Social Security Administration and the IRS.
In order to increase border security, the bill seeks to provide an 8,000-agent increase for the U.S. Border Patrol and an expansion of the investigative abilities of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
“It really reflects what polls show across the board … this needs to be a bipartisan effort,” Bilbray said.
The California legislator said Shuler initially approached him with the idea and he immediately decided to sign on.
Shuler, a centrist freshman who defeated then-Rep. Charles Taylor (R) last year, did not return calls for comment.
At press time, 42 Democrats and 36 Republicans had signed on to the bill, including several freshman Democrats who are in Republican-leaning congressional districts.
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What about the ones that are not Hispanic? i.e. TERRORISTS. Or are the 13 million Hispanics going to become terrorists?
The writer, Oppenheimer, a family ensconced in the leadership of the new world order, of course will make such ridiculous claims.
Go Heath go!!
“America is a Continent, not a country”?
Why are so many people allowed to graduate with such a failed educaton of geography?
Paris is a perfect example of why we need to act now instead of allowing immigrants to destroy and vandalize our country. I hate to break it to illegals, but the Constitution only protects US citizens! If we had just been enforcing our own laws to begin with, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Because, Dilbert, the rules don’t apply for people like Oppenheimer and his ilk:
“You may have violated a rule, but that should not make you an ‘illegal’ person. You may have gotten a ticket for speeding, but that doesn’t make you an ”illegal” human being, even if the potential harm of your reckless driving is much greater than anything done by most of the hard-working undocumented immigrants in this country.
Carrying out enforcement-only policies, labeling undocumented workers as ‘illegals’ and depriving them of hope for upward mobility — rather than working toward greater economic cooperation with Latin America to reduce migration pressures — is not only wrong, but dangerous. The millions of undocumented among us will not leave. They will only get angrier.”
They aren’t illegal, they’re “undocumented” - it’s a me-me-me mentality in which the terrorists among this group don’t count. They (Oppenheimer et al) can’t see the possibility of the greater good, preventing additional attacks, because they see themselves as separate entities. They are not future possible (legal) citizens (because they never truly will be, even with papers-in-hand), but rather everybody is only out for their own good (”I’m doing you a favor by working for less money, America owes me by getting off my back and leaving me alone”).
The terrorists don’t count in the discussion because they attacked America, and these people won’t ever truly be Americans.
There is only one good thing about Miami - the airport.
Bring it on!
If you think Senator Dick Durbin was flummoxed when the Congressional switchboards lit up in outrage over his DREAM ACT…press the American people enough, they’ll take to the streets.
I’ve had enough of the troop bashing, America bashing, Code Pink and Shamnesty bills. You want to live in America then you have to become an American. Learn to speak English and assimilate, period.
In the immortal words of Todd Beamer of Flight 93: “Let’s Roll.”
And believe me, there will be ten times the number of legal Americans right there in the street fighting back. This is OUR country and we are not going to allow this to continue….just wait and see.
I am a US American.
You go 30pcs of silver!
Let’s roll! I’m ready for a fight to take my country back
The best part of Michelle’s blog?
You do not have to press 1 to get it in english.
calling illegal immigrants anything other than illegal immigrants,is like calling a drug dealer an undocumented pharmacist. PERIOD.
# 4
Great Comment! Paris was turned upside down because of the illegals. Imagine having a country filled with them running a mock.
AMEN, tiredofit58 and Aj.
Where do they think they are?
I meant Soap.
I’m all for the enforcement of the laws concerning illegal immigrants. When supporters chant “less, less” referring to INS raids, I’m on the other side of the street going “More, More.”
That said, one concern I have is that stricter enforcement may bring on something like Prohibition did in the 1920’s. Rather than control and lessen criminal activity, it spurred disrespect for the law and encouraged the growth of organized crime. We owe much of what became the Mafia, the Cosa Nostra, and their descendants to the effects of Prohibition.
I worry that a similar result might occur as we enforce immigration laws. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do more to control and reduce illegal immigration, but we should have an eye on what else may happen as well.
If they start burning cars and other mischief, they are going to experience many U.S. citizens practicing their Second Amendment freedoms. It’s their call.
How can this idiot say they are undocumented. First, these immigrants crossed the borders without in paperwork. Second, they broke the law by crossing the border. That is illegal. Period.
Illegals and Geraldo in the streets two years ago waving Mexican flags and shouting “si se puede!!” woke up a lot of Americans. Anything they do at this point would help hasten legislation to speed up their deportation. Comprehensive immigration reform sounded like “meaningful campaign finance reform” to me. And we see what that did.
I’m sure quite a few Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez operatives are sneaking across the border to try to make this threat actually happen sometime in the future. Another reason to secure the border now.
America is two continents. At least they should get that right.
America might be a continent. But, the United States of America is a country, with laws governing who can enter and under what conditions they are allowed to enter.
I’m not a racist, after all, my wife is an imigrant from an Asian country. But she entered legally.
But surely Americans would need to learn how to speak English first, huh? (I am kidding)
Most people are armchair protesters - I very much doubt people will rise up from their computer desks to combat any sort of “intifada”
Back to control by her Majesty the Queen then? Sounds like a plan!
Good point, Eclectic!
But you forgot to also mention other parts of Europe forever changed by years of pointless immigration laws, like Londonistan, Denmark, Dearborn, oh, wait…
I agree. That was an in our face moment that was a huge wake up call. That was a big mistake for the open borders crowd, and an Oppenheimer analogy of an ‘Intifada’ would be a Huge mistake.
Illegal immigrant = Undocumented foreigner
Drug dealer = Undocumented pharmacist
Lets continue in this vein:
Theft = Unauthorized borrowing
Rape = Non permissive sex
Murder = Undeclared euthanasia
Pusillanimous: lacking courage and resolution : marked by contemptible timidity
At least he got one thing correct, concerning the Congress majority.
I wonder how long he patted himself on the back for finding that word.
The United States of America is a country and it belongs to us - the legal citizens. It’s just that simple.
Our borders must be protected and our laws enforced or it will be certain doom for our country.
sausage, you’re funny.
I’m rather fond of their cheerleaders, myself…
First, I’m not entirely sure you should be kidding. The number of people in this country who possess little to no command over the english language is pathetic. I know people from China (through work - our suppliers) who hold a better grasp of the language than people I encounter working in retail.
When the guy in Where-the-hell-ever India speaks better than the white chick who sells me my cigarettes, we’re starting to have a problem. Next person who uses “rate of speed” or “irregardless” in place of “regardless” is getting a long, long rant about how they are personally ruining civilization. Not just American civilization, but civilization as a whole.
I don’t expect people from Mexico, or Japan, or any other “non-native-to-English” country to speak without an accent, or get pronunciations right, or even word use all the time.
But by god, if you have gone through US schools, and you can’t use “who” and “whom” properly, then I just might start wishing I could hate you to death.
Sorry. Touchy spot for me. It is something up with which I shall not put.
As for your second part, I suspect that is we see something like Paris start up, you would be shocked at who stepped out under the light of The Day Star, and tried to stop it. One thing America doesn’t usually like is people that are not from here causing all sorts of ruccus.
And no, spelling gets a pass from me. As long as it’s remotely close, I’m fine with it. I mean, look at ME for crying out loud.
I have always remember this quote by CA Congressman Sonny Bono, may he rest in peace, after sitting through a meeting on Illegal Immigration. He said, “If it’s illegal then why are we even sitting here talking about it”.
That is the part that has always frosted my a$$. These people are here illegally, pay a nominal amount of taxes by claiming 6 dependents that they never have to document in April, take advantage of our social system and send a good portion of their money back to their homeland and that is all just the tip of the iceberg.
This bill by Bilbury and Shuler sounds like a good start to fixing the problem, start with the employers.
The rapid escalation of the U.S. anti-immigration hysteria … is a dangerous trend.
Well that’s cute. Hysteria. I mean, there isn’t a real threat at all to us, is there?
If we are not careful, we may see something similar coming from the estimated 13 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, most of them Hispanic, who are increasingly vilified in the media,
Now what does that mean, exactly? How are these people being “vilified”? Is it calling them “ILLEGAL aliens”, rather than “UNDOCUMENTED immigrants”? Is that the vilification? Fact is, they are here illegally, which means they broke the law and do not respect our sovereignty, and they are therefore automatically NOT law-abiding “immigrants”. This is not vilification -it’s truth.
The first candidate who pounds the table and declares the border will be SECURED & NO AMNESTY PERIOD will be elected emperor. The American people are fed up with this nonsense.
(Toss in the United States leaving the UN and removal of the UN from our soil and you can’t lose.)
I’m really tired of these talking heads reframing the whole situation incorrectly. There is not “anti-immigration hysteria” in this country - the concern is over anti-ILLEGAL immigration. Most Americans understand and respect the need for legal immigration procedures (which, by the way, seem to work just fine). Our problem is with those who choose to suspend the immigration laws because they don’t find them convenient. I am really sick of people painting the issue with overly broad strokes - even to the point of being misleading. There is a HUGE difference between “anti-immigration” and “anti-ILLEGAL immigration.”
They can’t handle the truth!
Didn’t they have a chance to come here legally before they broke the law? I know when I lived in Mexico there was NOTHING in English and I had to learn Spanish. I was in their country so no problem. When they will allow me to go there and work and force them to speak English and even something so simple as starting a business or buying property (Not legal for most foreigners except those whom are rich enough to bribe the proper officials) I will consider it. When they end the rape, robbery and even the murder of Guatemalans and Salvadorians coming across their Southern border I will consider their position even more closely.
Unfortunately, until someone in the government finds enough testicular fortitude to secure our borders, even deportation will not work. For them to come into our home (The USA) and make demands? If it were not so serious it would actually be funny.
An “Intifada”,doesnt sound like Espaniol to me.If they dont think the majority of Americans are unhappy with the illegals now,let them do it and see which way the wind blows.Is this some sort of way to put fear out there,if so they better think dos.
Sounds like Tancredo was prophetic, if not just plain right.
Miami is about to be third world.
That’s all the illegal aliens have to do is start fires and destruction in our streets. They think we vilify them now for marching and demanding their rights. What they don’t realize is that the more they demand and protest the more we want them gone!
Thank god we have the 2nd amendment.
It is a long expensive process to come here legally, but very well worth it for the future of my family. It burns me up to see people walk across the border and demand sanctuary. This has to be stopped!
While it’s easy to say there would be a huge number of US citizens taking to the streets to fight it out ourselves, via 2nd amendment rights or not, I think we all know that would not happen. The government would use the police forces and the national guard against it’s own citizens if that were the case. It’s that simple.
The only way any sort of uprising to protect our own country would work would be if there were so many citizens involved that the sheer numbers were able to overwhelm any group the government could muster to try and control them.
Even then I wouldn’t put it past the government to demand use of deadly force to stop people who dare to try and prevent the illegal immigrants from “expressing their frustrations”.
It may lead to a Hispanic intifada that may rock this nation in the not-so-distant future.
How DARE they!!!
This sense of entitlement, from people who have no business being here and their supporters, is galling.
The notion that they have “rights” is both arrogant, presumptive and misguided.
The only “right” they have, is the guaranteed right to leave voluntarily, before we physically throw them out.
Too bad the Stupid Party is populated by cowards who know that they’ll be pounded as xenophobic racists by the Treason Media and seek to pander to Hispanic voters.
If they were smart - and they most certainly aren’t - they would run ads a line of ethnically diverse Americans waiting in slow-moving lines for school registration, health care, etc. While they wait, a stream of Swedish-looking blonde-eyed/blue-haired people cut ahead of them and take what they’ve been waiting for for free thanks to the cheerful government clerks at the counter.
An announcer says, “You’ve played by the rules. Shouldn’t you get preferred treatment?” A title card reads: IT’S NOT FAIR TO HONEST PEOPLE.
By making the people on queue multi-ethnic and the line-jumpers Aryan, it diffuses the issue of the color of the invaders by making ALL Americans aware that they are being victimized by a government disinterested in national security and fundamental fairness because they seek political advantage.
We should not allow Mexico to remain so dysfunctional. Invade and reform!
The more they threaten and yell, the more Americans will push back and the more enforcement/security/deportations we’ll get. Let them continue to demand rights that they don’t have. Just like Harry Reid is the GOP’s best friend, illegals demanding anything from this country are the best friends of those of us who want them out.
I would suggest illegal immigrant is itself a weasel expression from pro-illegals that we on the side of sovereignty should not use. Once you call them “immigrants,” that implies that they are here as immigrants, but only need to formalize their papers.
They are illegal aliens. Tom Tancredo speaks well to this point.
As was previously stated bring it on. Americans are more tolerant than most people on this planet, but you start messin with my family/property, your going to get your ass shot. Shut the border down, hold employers accountable for hiring illegals, stop ALL welfare support, and deport the criminals already overfilling the prisons/jails in the southwest and kalifornia. I imagine that if the above were done, a significant number of the millions here illegally would go home. Take away the welfare and they have no reason to stay. They don’t want to be AMERICANS, they just want to suck the system dry.
In Europe at the moment there is a drive (due in part to the recent changes of govt in some countries, and a general shift in policy compared to a few years ago), to expel illegal immigrants. France has given itself a target of about 25,000 illegals a year, and rising (there is none of this PC nonsense of illegals marching for their “rights” either. If anything, they attempt to stay hidden from the police). Italy, too, is passing laws to expel Romanians who are involved in any criminal activity.
See here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/02/witaly202.xml
and: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/07/wsark07.xml
In this day and age political trends can very quickly catch on, perhaps the same will soon be happening in the US.
The M.H. half-wits are half-right: North America is a continent, but the United States of America is a nation.
So what’s their point?!
Sit down & shaddup, you half-wits. Go back to (not) government schools and come back when you can critically think & engage in rational debate.
Krykee.
I suggest again Hadrian Wall is the only options except we should add landmines with ours
I second that motion. All in favor say ‘aye’.
AYE !!!!!
I just read that AgJOBS Amnesty was pulled from the farm bill…..This is the 4th time we have successfully blown out amnesty.
When will these open border fools learn they’re not going to win!
AYE!
I think that was the sixth time they’ve tried to get shamnesty passed.
They are tenacious, stupid - but very tenacious.
AYE!!!
Mexico could find itself in some very hot water should its citizens who infiltrated here illegally choose to start an uprising.
Those illegals not only had the tacit support of the Mexican government, they had its direct and active support. Not only does Mexico do nothing to stop these acts, it encourages its citizens to do so. The llegals here provide Mexico with its second largest source of revenue behind oil.
By definition, having your citizens illegally infiltrate into another country where they engage in acts of open rebellion, dissent and sabotage, is indeed an act of war. And as such, the US and its citizens are within their rights to defend this Country at all costs.
Unfortunately for the illegals participating in the uprising, since they are not in the uniform of the Mexican army they have no protection under the Geneva Conventions. They may be shot on sight, without a trial and without representation by their government.
In essence, what the writer for the Herald has done is to document an act of invasion. Not people sneaking across the border to feed their families, but people infiltrating into the US to make war with the US and its citizens.
And consider this - there are over 20 million veterans in the US. Men and women who took an Oath before God to protect the US against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Unlike many things these days, that oath has no expiration date.
There appear to be a few people here who do not believe the citizens of this country would stand up and protect it. To those people I say you are dead wrong. The American people have had it with this problem. They may get away with it in California, but not in “flyover” country.
If the Miami Herald wants to foment riot and insurrection, the blood of all who suffer the consequences shall be on their hands.
Hey Dirk, I think the “line of ethnically diverse Americans waiting in slow-moving lines” would be too freaked out by the “blonde-eyed/blue-haired people” cutting ahead of them to raise much of a fuss (haha), but good point nonetheless.
Aye!
Those were muslims dood! Most our illegals are Christians…and I know you lirbrocons hate to admit it, but it will never happen.
Where is Geraldo telling this guy off? I thought these were good people who have a lower crime rate than the rest of us Americans.
We should enforce our southern border in the same manner that Mexico enforces their southern border. When Mexico calls their puppet, El Presidente George W. Arbusto, to complain, he can tell them if it’s good enough for them, it’s good enough for us.
Yes, I’m being delusional, but it’s better than stomaching the nation-destroying reality.
#56 Well said. Thank you for saying it. I’m with you.
I’m much more worried about the intifada from the facist left!
#56 - Excellent! I wonder if it would be worth the trouble to include your post, verbatim, in the comments section of the article in question. Anyone laying odds that the Herald would have a reaction or retraction?
I am likewise with you.
This is not Paris. Americans will not stand by and watch their country be destroyed. Causing problems is the dumbest thing illegal aliens could do as “We the People” will immediately respond and demand that the law be enforced COMPLETELY AND IMMEDIATELY.
RE: Oppenheimer article.
One of the most ignorant takes on immigration i’ve read.
The amnesty can be defeated 100 times and it means nothing. It only has to win once and it becomes a ‘legal precedent’. IT must be fought every time and defeated every time for that reason.
immigrants, yes! Illegal aliens, NO!
It is interesting that Oppenheimer points out that a group of people afraid to take on their own government would feel emboldened to take on our government. Talk about spineless. I guess that is what you can do when you are in a country that affords rights to even those here illegally. That alone should be enough to convice the shadow dwellers to embrace America. I mean the United States of America. Sorry Angres.
Come on Jim M. Those of us in California are on the “front lines”. We would have to fire the first shot.
aye! and #56 you got it right! if you think this isn’t an invasion just try to stop it!!!
i’m thinking of moving back to Tulsa, Oklahoma!!! They got it right!!
And, I am calling my representatives in Washington, DC to back this bill from Shuler!
Aye! Aye!
First and foremost…AYE!!!
American citizens have clearly demonstrated what they think of illegal aliens and amnesty, no matter what the weasels in Congress like to think.
Let the illegals “rise up”. I’m not saying that I would take to the streets, shooting willy-nilly. But you had best believe the second someone sets foot on my property, uninvited and with malicious intent, they will be appropriately face-shot.
My grandmother immigrated to this country. Her and her family came here from Germany after World War 2. They weren’t welcome, but they worked hard and ASSIMILATED to the culture. They became AMERICANS. And they did it legally. Those who refuse to follow the rules deserve to be punished. That’s how society works.
Oh brother! You know, why can’t these fools get it through their thick heads that really all we want is for them to come here legally, assimilate and learn English? Unfortunately I fear that one day we will be attacked again and they will be able to trace the “path” of the terrorist from somewhere else, into Mexico and across the border.
I will be calling my Congress people also about the Bilbrey & Schuler bill.
I’m going to comment on the “America is a Continent, not a country” meme that seems to plague the Left and some foreigners today.
Tocqueville’s Democracy in America was not written as “De la démocratie en États-Unis d’Amérique”. When people arrived at Ellis island, they spoke of being in America, not the United States. When we have gone to war, both allies and enemies referred to us as America, not the United States.
Watch any foreign movie that mentions our country. It is more than likely referred to as America, not the United States. It doesn’t matter what decade or country it is made in, this country is always referred to as America in foreign films. It’s not just the way the subtitles are written because you can hear it distinctly as “America”. Not Estados Unidos, not Vereinigten Staaten, not Stati Uniti, not Spojené štáty, not Verenigde Staten, not Egyesült Államok. (Sorry for sticking only to European languages, but it’s hard to find translations of foreign words written in non-Latin alphabets.)
Foreigners started calling this country America centuries ago and they continue to call the country simply America. So why should we stop referring to ourselves as America or Americans whenever everyone else does?
I want to know why the author of the article thinks we cannot “realistically deport” these people. I would bet that if the federal, state, and local governments “realistically” prepared, resourced and executed a plan, the US could very “realistically” deport every illegal.
It just depends on how “realistically” motivated we are as a nation.
The above Miami Herald postulator reminds me of a piss-ant floating down the river with an erection yelling to raise the draw bridge. While the 20 million Mexican intifadi’s pointing their finger and reporting bang, bang, they will be dealing with 60 million Americans and 200 million guns.
I have designed a bus to deport illegals. It is a virtual bus that first requires the illegal’s place of employment to terminated the illegal’s job then they all allowed 6 months to get out of the country or face 10 years incarceration in a refugee tent camp (preferably in Alaska, burr!).
bit_boy
put those tents in Alaska in the winter and in the desert in the summer …
As a Christian, I support amnesty 100%.
As a Christian, I oppose violence 100%.
The right thing must be done, and our politicians are failing His teachings time and time again when it comes to His people. As my pastor reminded us all on Sunday, “no man is illegal.”
Wise words, channeled through our pastor, by Him.
God Bless everyone.
Southernboy, with all due respect…c’mon
As a Christian, I do not support amnesty 100%. You should not advocate lawlessness. This goes against Jesus’ teachings.
What they are after can be obtained. No one is rejecting them from coming to the US, the law-abiding way.
I do not advocate lawlessness either. I do not really believe in borders because He did not believe in borders. I take no political position on the amnesty issue; this is strictly my interpretation of His teachings as I have read and studied them.
Bring it on. We’re going to have an intifada whether we legalize them or not.
southern boy .. sorry you are wrong on this one.. Jesus was not here to regard the earthly realm, nor did He profess anything othere than Render To Cesar that which is Cesar’s. Speaking specifically to the earthly realm, obey the law of the land.
and there were borders, which Jesus respected, that is why he did not take His message to Lebanon, as it would have been received there far better; and that as He said when giving the Beatitudes. (If this gospel were preached in Tyre and Sidon, modern day lebanon.)
He came to the Bordered Country known as Isreal/Judiah. And, no where in the Gospel’s can you find and interpret that Jesus did not respect the law of the land or the borders!
This coming from a former theologian. I studied hermanuetics, homoletics and the bible under trained theologians. Not just my interpretation..
like it or not amnesty is lawlessness, like it or not they are illegally entering and disrespecting our laws. that is anarchy, which is definitely not what Jesus would do!!
Sounthern boy#77 religion has nothing to do with breaking the law.
Read your constitution!
I’m a senior citizen by definition not by heart. Here in Pennsylvania we have grown up with guns in the house. Mostly hunting rifles but more recently hand guns. Several weeks ago we actually loaded all the clips. We know we’re in trouble when Vincente Fox stopped the press from recording audio at his speech last night at Wilkes College. How can that happen? Will my family protect itself? You bet. We have killed those beautiful white tailed deer for centuries to put food on the table. It’s not like we don’t know how to shoot. Husband and son are Vets too.
I don’t understand all that stuff, I only read his translated teachings of love peace and tolerance.
I feel spiritually connected to “lawbreakers” be they people who have murdered or people who have committed the egregious, evil sin of crossing illegally or overstaying their visas.
My good buddy is here illegally. I am doing the Christian thing by continuing to keep him as a friend. It’s what Jesus would want me to do.
southernboy, things were very different is Jesus’ time.
Please provide your support of this claim?
You cannot, in good faith suggest that He would think nothing of lawbreakers…
Please urge your pastor to begin reading his Bible, especially Romans 13 and Peter’s exhortations to “obey the king” and Jesus’ commandment to “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”.
No one is illegal? Therefore the civil authorities have no right to regulate who enters and exits a country or territory for the public good? This is pure nonsense.
The Bible has nothing but condemnation for authorities who fail in their divinely-appointed duty to protect the people for the common welfare.
Jesus would want you to be an ambassador of Him, which involves teaching sinful men his Law and exhorting them toward repentance and faith in Him. How can you do this if you are encouraging lawbreaking, identity theft, and stealing in the form of taking welfare and health benefits they’re not entitled to?
You are definitely supposed to love your neighbor, but this does not mean encouraging lawlessness.
Corgis rule!
But they can be here illegally
I would never call him a sinner! That is crazy. He is God’s child.
We are all sinners. You know that!
#84 Sounthern boy you keep living in that world. One day reality will set in.
I never said call him a sinner. I said you need to proclaim God’s law if you’re to do what Jesus would have you do.
In order for your friend to be one of God’s children, he first has to trust in Christ for his salvation. Then he is adopted as a son of God and a brother of Jesus. If this is the case with your friend, how can he so openly violate the clear teachings of God in Romans 13 and at the same time claim to follow Christ?
God is the Creator of all, not the Father of all.
southernboy, I’ll be praying for you.
Jesus died for our sins. If we aren’t sinners then what did He died for?
Amen! And you know what they said about the man who would cast the stone…
Of course he sinned, we all sinned. It is unfair to single out my friend for his sin though, unless it was something very egregious.
No one is singling out your friend. We are advocating that the government start enforcing the laws, as should you per Scripture’s clear teaching. You can still be friends with the illegal you know, but if he asks you your take on the situation, you must point to what the Bible says. You can’t just change your beliefs because it’s uncomfortable for you to do so.
Most Latinos claim to respect the Bible. If that’s true, then they can’t possibly object to the government enforcing the law, ergo, they don’t really respect it.
My friend isn’t Latino, stop playing the race card.
So, you believe in spreading the gospel, only you leave out the “bad” parts like Hell and Hades, just the niceties?
I am not singling out your friend. You said that as a Christians you are 100% in support of amnesty. And I informed you that you are advocating lawlessness. I love my gay brother but he knows that he is committing a sin in God’s eyes. And I would quickly inform him of that if he ever forgotten. That’s not me being a callous or unloving person. That’s speaking the truth. You know what they say about that…it shall set you free.
My friend is not gay and has not committed a sick sin like that.
Come off it, will you? You’re just trying to dodge my points by subtly accusing me of racism. If you don’t have the wits to defend your position, then try another blog.
Homophobe! Nazi!
Not quite. I’m just saying that my friend has hardly committed an egregious sin worthy of me singling him out and telling him he is a sinner.
Let’s leave that to God, shall we?
To get this thread back on topic. Bring on the intifada! To quote Star Wars, “I prefer a stand-up fight to all this sneaking around.” This is not Europe and the illegal invaders among us will find out really quick why the US Constitution has the 2nd Amendment.
Where did I say that your friend is gay?
You seem to have a measuring stick for sins. That’s not of the bible.
Dear wanna be Palestinian Mexicans
Bring it.
Love,
America
Sorry, I misinterpreted your comment to mean that my friend had committed an egregious sin. No offense to the homosexuals, who are God’s children as well.
I can see I’m talking to a liberal.
All of the signs are there: Leftist labeling (accusations of racism, etc), failing to address points of argumentation, repetition of tired, already-answered points. I’ve got no time for this.
Good for you, Southernboy! You’re not telling him he’s a sinner, even though the Bible doesn’t command that anyway and it’s the job of the Holy Spirit to convict one of sin. Since, in your mind, proclaiming God’s law is the same as running through the streets and yelling, “Sinner!” why don’t you just ignore those pesky 10 Commandments, Matthew 5, and all other divine mandates. That’s the solution!
Southernboy, your attempt to remain “above” the fray has caught up with you.
Let’s leave that to God, shall we?
On November 6th, 2007 at 2:49 pm, PRCalDude said:
Good for you, Southernboy! You’re not telling him he’s a sinner, even though the Bible doesn’t command that anyway and it’s the job of the Holy Spirit to convict one of sin.
So, since I am not telling my friend he is a sinner (because I believe he has committed no sin by being here without proper papers), I am wrong?
I think you know more than I do about my religion and my spiritual connection with God. Please inform me, oh person who is holier than me, what I should tell my friend.
Thanks for the reminder Boomer. Trolls come in all shapes and sizes…
What laws do think should be upheld? As I can see that there are some laws you agree with and those your think can and should be circumvented.
I don’t support lawlessness; I think all laws should be followed, but that some were (conveniently) made to be broken.
Well, that’s unfortunate. But can I offer you some advice? Don’t use the bible and Jesus to support that position next time. That is a bad move.
God guides my every action.
Yes, since you don’t seem to know what the bible says anyway. And just to make clear, no one here said it was a sin to enter the country illegally.
Thank you, you are one person who gets it. Just wished there were more.
Hey southernboy,
Your friend wouldn’t happened to be named Tommy, would he?
No.
Let’s see.
The troll believes all conservatives must also be fervent Christian fanatics. Therefore, by using the Bible as a foundation, the troll can convince conservatives they are wrong.
However, the troll never quotes any scripture to back his point and seems to lack a working knowledge of Christianity.
Kudos, southernboy, for spelling pastor correctly!
You are the troll, I never said anyone is wrong for their beliefs.
But I am an uncompromising Christian and whatever He says goes!
So I take it that you want mind if my family and friends invade your back yard and settle down…or better yet, how about we just move in your house (there are no borders….right).
Apparently southernboy cannot distinguish between a “sin” and a “crime” and does not recognize the hypocrisy of opposing lawlessness while maintaing “some laws are made to be broken.”
But once they start using services paid for by tax paying citizens…could we consider that stealing?
Umm, I’m a conservative on a conversative web site spreading a conservative message. How exactly does that make me a troll?
You’re here preaching open borders under the guise of religion.
Fact 1. Wages respond to supply and demand. Increase the supply of unskilled laborers and the wages will be driven down. Meat cutters make a fraction of what they made 25 years ago. Could it be because we have ILLEGALS here willing to do the same job for a fraction of the pay? I don’t know what iundustry you’re in, but imagine that someone were willing to do your job for half of what you’re making. What would you do? You can’t get a job elsewhere because now the pay has dropped there also.
Fact 2. ILLEGALS use more in social services and education than they contribute.
Fact 3. ILLEGALS send billions of dollars out of this country that a citizen would have spent here contributing to the economy, not being a drain on it.
Fact 4. There is no health screening for ILLEGALS crossing the border. Tuberculosis wasn’t much of a health concern for the general population until recently and its rise coincides with the increase in ILLEGAL immigration.
This reporter is out of his (or her) ever-lovin’ mind. I’ve been to Israel a couple times, also to Jordan, Egypt and a couple other Middle Eastern countries. This past March I crossed through the security fence from free-spirited, independent Israel into oppressive Palestinian-occupied Bethlehem. There was a difference in the air, let alone the million other differences.
All that to say, I would have never thought of a Hispanic intifada. I can’t see any kind of comparison in the two situations. Whatever side you fall on regarding the Middle East peace process, Palestinian agitators have risen in different intifadas because, at heart, they do not believe Israel has the right to exist. Passionate, violent belief.
Islamo-fascism — whether in Israel, France, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., etc. — is at the heart. You don’t generally see people throwing rocks, or firing off weapons, or blowing themselves up…simply because someone else says they think you’re breaking the law.
Of course, the Miami Herald reporter might just be trying to sell newspapers by using inflammatory rhetoric such as “intifada” when really he means demonstrations and grammatically incorrect sign waving.
And here comes PRCalDude fresh off his Hot Air banning. What a piece of work this guy is.
Has anyone listened to what the Mexican organizations are saying to illegals? They are lying to
them and telling them that WE WANT them here to do
our scut work so we can all retire on easy street and
they will be the only ones working. Also, the dems
think that if they get them the vote they’ll all be in
office for life. They really don’t know the mindset. No
Kerry, Kennedy or Clinton will be elected. It will all be
Guerreros, Vegas or Hinojosas. I know. I lived in Rio
Grande City, TX in Starr County, so close to the
border that we could see the whites of their eyes
when they waded the river.
These illegals have been convinced that Europeans
stole this country from them. Pardon me, but, the
last time I looked at a map, Spain was in Europe,
and we paid for this country with blood and money.
Aye!
BTW, BZO your weapons.
whangtight & PRCalDude - if anyone were truly smart they’d not attempt to argue the finer points of the Bible with either one of you. Kudos to both. Wrapped and tied with bows.
On topic, I wholeheartedly agree with the bill being introduced. Until we dry up the jobs by putting unscrupulous employers in jail (forget the fines and threats by authorities), illegal aliens will continue to invade this country….from all parts of the world. I believe it’s foolhardy to think the American people will not defend what is theirs if push really does come to shove.
If/when it’s decided we are really just one big happy continent - I’m staking claim to beachside property in Baja!
We are not a theocracy, but a nation of laws.
To “Mr. Holier than Thou”: My grandson has put his life on the line and my brother was killed to defend your right to speak freely in the United States of America, but not to break its laws.
No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Whatever, barney.
I was on HotAir for a long time (2 years) and I’ve had a login here since Michelle revamped her site. Allah, the atheist-centrist that he is, decided go the route of Charles Johnson and other ‘conservatives’ and stifle any difference of opinion on a subject that is basically a non-issue for anyone in the United States. Interesting to see that you tacitly approve of such fascist tactics. Ever consider the possibility you’re brand of ‘conservatism’ is just leftism with a shifted mean?
Of course not. You’ve got Allahpundit’s approval for your thoughts on his site (for now). You’ve got the moral high ground!
This is not a religous debate. Mexicans can be Christians in Mexico. Jesus has nothing to do with it unless he can turn that corrupt country around.
Every city that they’ve populated has turned into a cesspool of crime. Please no more comparisons to European immigrants. For one thing, they were invited. For another, they assimilated into American culture. We didn’t have to print things in German and Italian in the 40s and no one had to press “1″ for english.
Let then bring on their intifada. It’s time to get them out of the country.
USMCgramma #131 - Please know we keep the members of America’s military forces in our prayers everyday. If your grandson is not already home, a special one will go out for his safe return. God will lovingly care for your brother until you see him once more.
dakine - those of us that post on other sites are a bit battle scarred over the past couple of weeks. MM doesn’t need us to carry it over here. A blog site is very close to entering someone’s home. Show the host respect, and those they’ve invited in as well.
Alphonse said:
That is absolutely true. The U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Service web site specifically states:
An immigrant is a foreign national who has been granted the privilege of living and working permanently in the United States. You must go through a multi-step process to become an immigrant.
BTW, my wife is a green card holder. Her official status is Lawful Permanent Resident. I fume with disgust when a Dhimmi-crat demagogue (and some RINO rejects) tries to state that anyone who is against unchecked illegal immigration is just racist and anti-foreigner.
Classic Stalinist tactics. Immunize yourself!
The Mexicans