If this be the politics of pile on, play on!

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 7, 2007 07:28 AM

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(hat tip to commenter txvet2)

The blue-on-blue pile on continues. Bill Clinton tries to play gallant knight, for once, for his wife, and it is blowing up in his smug, bloated face. Schadenfreude tastes so sweet in the morning, doesn’t it?

On Monday, in defense of his wife against political critics, Bill Clinton cited the “swift boat” television ads of the 2004 presidential campaign that questioned John Kerry’s patriotism and the campaign commercials in 2002 that suggested Sen. Max Cleland of Georgia was soft on terrorism.

Obama told The Associated Press he was “stunned” to hear Clinton make the comparison. Both Kerry, who commanded a Navy swift boat in Vietnam, and Cleland, who lost three limbs in that war, are decorated veterans who were defeated by Republicans.

Obama said Hillary Clinton contradicted herself at the end of a Democratic presidential debate last week when asked whether she supported a plan by the New York governor to issue driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. This week, the Illinois senator and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina have repeatedly reproached her on that subject.

“How you would then draw an analogy to distorting somebody’s military record is a reach,” Obama said.

Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, another candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, called the Clintons’ response to the debate “outrageous.”

“To have the former president come out and suggest this is a form of swift boating … is way over the top in my view,” Dodd said in a telephone interview.

Looks like even the Dems have grown tired of the lip-biting Clinton victim card.

Not so swift anymore, Billy Boy.

As for the analogy, I define “swift-boating” as exposing hard truths about corrupt Democrats. Let the “swift-boating” continue!

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  1. #165405
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:42 am, josetheguerilla said:

    The Dems are desperate to take Billary out of the picture. They’ll even start bashing their hero, Mr. “I never had sex with that woman…” It amazes me how they turn on each other so quick. Principled.

  2. #165406
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:42 am, T J Green said:

    Hillary magnificently portrays the stereotypical slimy politician that so many voters claim they detest.

  3. #165407
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:43 am, ajmontana said:

    The Clinton ship is sinking and they don have any life preservers.

  4. #165413
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:47 am, josetheguerilla said:

    Looks like even the Dems have grown tired of the lip-biting Clinton victim card.MM

    I think only because they smell blood. If the Russert question would have bounced off her, the dems would still be kissing her a$$. If Tim Russert could rattle her caged wait till Bret Hume gets a hold of her.

  5. #165416
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:48 am, Eclectic said:

    Maybe Slick Willy is losing his touch in his old age! One can only hope… :0)

  6. #165418
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:52 am, jones said:

    Comparing someone to a conservative. The gloves are coming off.

    Piling on? Were Bob Dole and newt Gingrich available for comment about how awful that is?

  7. #165420
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:54 am, txvet2 said:

    “Swiftboating” – n Telling the truth about Democrats.

  8. #165422
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:55 am, txvet2 said:

    Make that “Swiftboating” v.

  9. #165423
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:55 am, georgej said:

    Wait till the stories about how Hillary like to decorate the White House Christmas tree with condoms and sex toys gets out!

    And Kathleen Willey’s book is about to be published. It looks like you can add Ed Willey to the list of Clinton “kills” as it appears that not only was he one of Clinton’s bagmen, but he was caught stealing some of the illegal contributions. So while husband Ed was cooling down with a bullet in his brain (allegedly self inflicted but fired by his “weak hand”), Horndog Bill was molesting his wife in the White House. How lovely.

    And then there was those 5,000 Canadian hemophilliacs who got Arkansas prisoner blood, ’cause Clinton took a big, FAT, bribe for his approval.

    This election gives us all a chance to refresh our memories of why we despise the Clinton Crime Family.

    The Clintons should be in THE BIG HOUSE, not the White House!

  10. #165424
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:55 am, Alan-of-Vermont said:

    If Tim Russert could rattle her caged wait till Bret Hume gets a hold of her.

    It’s a given that Nov 15th’s debate should be smooth sailing for the Clintons with that old guy from CNN moderating.

  11. #165426
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:58 am, maine yankee said:

    Hillary will probably stop giving interviews for awhile.

    And Bill will be invisible until Hillary’s anger subsides a bit. May even leave the country for an “important mission”.

  12. #165425
    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:58 am, JammieWearingFool said:

    When I think of Mrs. Clinton and boats, all I can say is ankles aweigh!

  13. #165429
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:08 am, dankitti said:

    Schadenfreude tastes so sweet in the morning, doesn’t it?

    I agree, Michelle. I love Schadenfreude in the morning, amd I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

  14. #165430
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:08 am, WORK949 said:

    What interesting times we are seeing.

    Can you imagine eight more years of the Clintons in the White House? It boggles the mind to think of the possiblity.

  15. #165431
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:12 am, ThackerAgency said:

    It doesn’t surprise me. For all the power that those two have, they sure have made their fair share of enemies.

    I for one think it is a shame that Hillary Clinton is even considered for the POTUS. She would make a terrible president because she would do so much damage. The one good thing I could say about Clinton is that he didn’t really do a whole lot – so he didn’t break much (except he gutted the military).

    Hillary will break the whole thing primarily for her ego. Anyone who plays the victim card will not make a good leader. It’s not that she’s a woman, it’s not even that she’s a Democrat. It is that she has no character and thinks America owes her something for some reason.

    That said, there isn’t really a leader running. I’d love to get behind Fred, but his campaign hasn’t been run very well – I shudder to think how he’ll run the country. And Rudy is worse than Hillary. Mitt might be OK, but you just never know what he’s going to think today. And Huckabee thinks everyone for the rule of law is a bigot.

    Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? Where have you gone? We need a Bobby Jindal on the R ticket.

  16. #165432
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:12 am, sfrvn said:

    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:54 am, txvet2 said:
    “Swiftboating” – (v) Telling the truth about Democrats.

    I know they have (in their minds) made it a pejorative term but why can’t we make it constructive term, meaning “action by honest people to expose lies and subterfuge by charlatans?”

  17. #165433
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:14 am, legendx3 said:

    ok what about kids getting ID to buy beer will the ACLU stop that

  18. #165435
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:16 am, TimDenchanter said:

    Okay, where to begin?

    First, I believe the process of “swift-boating” refers to those people who are NOT running for office exercising their first amendment rights to tell the truth about someone who IS running for office.

    Second, it seems odd that the Dems have redefined it to mean, “They’re picking on me!” Somebody call the WA-A-A-A-A-A-mbulance.

    Third, when Hillary says that, “They’re not picking on me because I’m a woman. They’re picking on me because I’m a winner.” the KEY phrase she repeats is still, “They’re picking on me.” When I was in gradeschool, I felt that way too, but then I grew up.

    Fourth, the above attitude represents what I have come to expect from the modern Democrats. Attack those who expose your crimes so people will forget about the crimes. Look up the psychological term, “tranference”.

    When a burglar, murderer, and/or rapist is arrested breaking into someone else’s home to commit his crimes, his first defense is to cry to the world about how the arresting officers invaded privacy, engaged in profiling, and arrested him with prejudice. Then his minority leaders and special interest groups will dominate the airwaves about how society is to blame and engage in jury tampering, supported by their friends in the media. Forgotten in the defense of the criminal: the poor dead victims.

    Anyone remember Willie Horton? When searching, add Massachusetts, Governor Dukakis, and the 1988 Presidential Election for details. Or you could just ask Ann Coulter because she already did the research for her book, “Godless”.

    Finally, is anyone thinking about that phrase concerning “a house divided”?

  19. #165438
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:20 am, ajmontana said:

    Can we hire Big John to hold the ‘Nit-Wit’ sign behind Hillary?

  20. #165445
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:23 am, zorro said:

    He is such a slug. And that’s his strong suit.

  21. #165447
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:26 am, Bicyea said:

    He had to say, “Swift boating” because the only other thing he could have said, “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”, doesn’t work here.

  22. #165450
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:29 am, swj719AWG said:

    The guys at QandO have thanks Edwards and Obama for this whole thing.

    I was afraid that this “boys vs girls” thing would come up when it was one-on-one, Hillary vs whoever we put up.

    This kills the best defense Hillary had against any Republican attack.

  23. #165453
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:31 am, USMCgramma said:

    David Brooks (NY Times) has a hilarious article on the Dem. debate – our Sunday edition title: “Relax and just feel the love”. It’s funny because it’s so true!

    Eight years of the Clinton administration were the worst waste of valuable time except for Carter’s. We’re paying the price now.

  24. #165454
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:32 am, jsr said:

    Why are Democrats obsessed with “swiftboating”? They have their own special smear tactics created back in the 80’s. It was called (by them) Borking

  25. #165455
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:35 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    She’s a big girl. I thought she could handle anything thrown her way. It’s early in the game…someone from her entourage camp should tell her that the questions are going to get alot harder. Better eat your Wheaties!

  26. #165456
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:37 am, conservativesRus said:

    The one good thing I could say about Clinton is that he didn’t really do a whole lot – so he didn’t break much (except he gutted the military).

    I respectfully take exception to that. Much worse than gutting the military, he legitimized a “morals don’t matter” and hedonistic behavior pattern. He also “codified” a two tier legal system – one for the “elite”, one for the rest of us.
    History will show him to have damaged the USA far more than is presently apparent.

  27. #165464
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:44 am, Marshall Russ said:

    Bubba should have bit his lip a little harder on this one. He touched a nerve with old boys club,Kennedy,Kerry,Biden,et al. It’s bad enough that they have to stand aside and allow her to waltz into the nomination. Now they have to actually treat her like a queen and not insult her by asking her what she means when she says,”Let them eat cake.”

  28. #165469
    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:51 am, Marshall Russ said:

    ThackerAgency#15: In what way is Rudy worse than Hillary? She never takes responsibility for anything because she hasn’t done anything. She carpetbagged her way into the New York Senators seat before that what?

  29. #165478
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:03 am, nyc123me said:

    The Clinton campaign is like watching a train wreck in slow motion – it’s sickening, but I just can’t turn my eyes away..

  30. #165479
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:05 am, Alan-of-Vermont said:

    She never takes responsibility for anything because she hasn’t done anything. She carpetbagged her way into the New York Senators seat before that what?

    How about White Water and missing law firm papers that mysteriously show up in the White House living room long after they were requested. She is secretive, manipulating and the last person we need in the White House.

  31. #165480
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:09 am, LarryD said:

    It needs to be asked.

    If you can’t handle a difficult question from Tim Russert, how the heck to you expect to be able to deal with all the mean and nasty people running countries and terrorist organizations?

  32. #165481
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:09 am, DesertLover said:

    Just some of those Tyson Chickens coming home to roost …

    I would humbly suggest that most anyone here could do a better job of handling questions and comments from journalists as well as official discussions with foreign representatives than the Wicked Witch of Western Arkansas …

    She can’t stand on her principles and beliefs because she has none … that is a foreign concept to her … her idea of principles and beliefs is to put her finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing at any given moment before answering …

  33. #165484
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:13 am, ajmontana said:

    morning dl,
    do you mean non-answering? :lol:

  34. #165487
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:18 am, Lefty said:

    “Swiftboating” – (v) Telling the truth about Democrats.

    Michelle, if you get someone to print up tshirts with that on it, I’ll be buying some. Put your URL on it too.

  35. #165493
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:27 am, conservativesRus said:

    DL #32…actually I think the Hill has a guiding principle…Bill was a master at holding his finger in the wind with no principle. Hill through and through wants socialism – and is willing to sacrifice ANYTHING to get there.

  36. #165494
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:28 am, nbarry said:

    The issue of driver’s licenses for illegal aliens is a wedge between Hillary’s financial base and the voters. To figure out the reason for her waffling on this issue, follow the money.

  37. #165495
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:28 am, Boomer said:

    The pigeons are coming to roost with all their droppings and the Clinton’s are finally starting to get the scrutiny they so desperately deserve. “She who must not be named” is losing ground big time in Iowa because the empty pants suit has finally been laid bare. My only hope is these two will someday end up in the Federal Prison cells they so richly deserve (a guy can dream). Let the Swiftboating (truth) continue to show them for the self absorbed criminals they truly are.

  38. #165498
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:32 am, Speakup said:

    Not to mention.

    Did anyone ever prove the swift boaters wrong?
    Ummm…no.

    So swiftboating Hillary could just be..exposing the truth.

    Thanks Bill.

  39. #165502
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:34 am, TimDenchanter said:

    On November 7th, 2007 at 8:29 am, swj719AWG said:
    The guys at QandO have thanks Edwards and Obama for this whole thing.

    I was afraid that this “boys vs girls” thing would come up when it was one-on-one, Hillary vs whoever we put up.

    This kills the best defense Hillary had against any Republican attack.

    Yes! … YES! …YES!YES!YES!

    THANK YOU for showing us the GOLDEN linging in this cloud!

    THANK GOD!

    I have been worrying about what the Presidential debates are going to look like for over a YEAR!

    I’ve been cringing at the thought of the stereotypical Republican going up against Hillary and listening to her play the gender card.

    But you are RIGHT!

    She just BLEW the Gender Card and it has BACKFIRED!

    If she was a man, we’d say that she blew her load and has nothing left to show for it. I don’t know what the female version is (probably don’t want to know), but the point is that she has launched her main weapon prematurely and it was a DUD!

    WOOOOOOOOOOOO-HOO!

    Okay, now is anyone interested in thinking about why she is so DESPERATE to get elected President in 2008?

    You are gonna LOVE this!

    Because she is up for re-election to the Senate in 2012!

    If she does not become President in 2008, then in 2012 she will have to convince the citizens of New York State that she really wants to remain their Senator and has no plans to run for President, while she is running for President!!!

    Not even a Clinton can lie THAT well.

    In 2016, she’ll be looking older that John McCain but not as good and
    in 2020, we’re talking “Dawn of the Dead“.

    So, 2008 is her ONLY chance to be the first woman President.

    Desperate times lead to Desperate measures, which often just leads to Desperation.

    Last night was a bad night for my local GOP, but this just made my MONTH!

    ThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYOU

  40. #165515
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:47 am, Cosmo said:

    The irony here, of course, is that the Clinton campaign–not Bush’s prosecution of the War on Terror–is what John Edwards should be referring to as a “bumper sticker.”

    Hillary’s positions (if they can be called that) are nothing more than three word slogans with no depth that belong on the back of a car (probably an old Volvo 242 or some model of a Subaru).

    Bill’s defense of his wife in this case is yet another example of “stickerizing” a position. Since there is not defensible position, it’s referred to as an unfounded attack a la “swiftboating.”

    As Hillary navigates her swift boat over the whitewater, she’ll need to avoid a Chappaquiddick moment or her “huge” lead will evaporate (due to global warming).

  41. #165519
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:49 am, ajmontana said:

    I think he meant SwiftBoarding… :lol:

  42. #165520
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:50 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Good one Cosmo!

  43. #165522
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:54 am, ajmontana said:

    OT-
    Hey 30 pcs, no lil soaper yet in case you missed it.

  44. #165524
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:58 am, meatpieandtatters said:

    The crypt door opened long enough for Kerry to peek out and somnolently declaim “I’m John Kerry and I was in Vietnam.”

  45. #165526
    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:59 am, uhangtight said:

    conservativesRus said:
    DL #32…actually I think the Hill has a guiding principle…Bill was a master at holding his finger in the wind with no principle. Hill through and through wants socialism communism- and is willing to sacrifice ANYTHING to get there.

    Fixed it for you ConservativesRus…

  46. #165537
    On November 7th, 2007 at 10:08 am, DesertLover said:

    I appreciate the comments about my #32 … I think everyone is correct and all those responses to my post are expansions of the thought I wanted to present for discussion … nice to know people are paying attention … thanks to all … :lol:

  47. #165546
    On November 7th, 2007 at 10:16 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    Can you just hear it? That evil Karl Rove is in some dark room laughing.

    *BWAAAHHHAAAHHAAA

  48. #165550
    On November 7th, 2007 at 10:24 am, Blind_Mule said:

    Q:Why are we having nuke problems with North Korea?
    A:Billary

    Q:Why are we having nuke trouble with Iran?
    A:Billary

    Q:Why does china have the capability to hit the U.S. with a Nuke.
    A:Billary

    The Clinton’s believe in nuclear proliferation under the twisted logic, If everyone has nuclear weapons no one will use them. Right, Amendenajad has not threatened Israel with total anihilation either and the holocaust never happened. The problem is the logic was trashed by the Chinese when they recieved gyroscope from a U.S. based company that fixed the problem of china’s missle’s doing summersaults and exploding now thank’s to the Clinton’s it’s not only Russia that can hit us with nukes it’s China to.

    Don’t fool yourself the Clinton’s are a team and will continue the long history of corruption thru coercion of friends, family, world governments, what ever it takes they believe the ends jusitfy the means.

    Swiftboating the Clinton’s under MM’s definition is honorable and the duty of every red blooded American to remind people as often as possible about the Clinton’s 8 year circus.

  49. #165581
    On November 7th, 2007 at 10:54 am, TimDenchanter said:

    For the record,
    I think the worst change to American life given to us by The Clinton Co-Presidency was the invention of the term “Politically Correct” as in “Careful what you say, Hillary might either destroy your career or have you killed.”
    That is, if we ignore:
    1. the gutting of the US military
    2. the selling of secrets to China
    3. the assistance given to Kim Jong Il
    4. the encouragement of Osama Bin Ladin
    5. the Clinton Recession
    6. the stock market “bubbles”
    7. the selling of pardons
    8. the renting of the Lincoln bedroom
    9. the multiple rapes
    10. the victims being raped again in the public eye
    11. the tax hikes “for the rich” which affected everyone BUT the rich
    12. the treatment of the White House as Animal House
    13. the same treatment happening in every country visited on the “Rainbow Tour”, ruining America’s reputation
    14. the “Rainbow Tour” itself, proving that Hillary will not be outdone in wasting tax dollars by a second rater like Eva Perone (aka Evita)
    15. the gutting of all law enforcement and intelligence agencies to allow the “Friends of Bill” to get their drugs
    16. the cost on 9/11/2001 of #15
    17. the lies, the damn lies, and the statistics
    18. the willingness of the President to be Impeached for lying under oath to divert attention from all the above

    DAMN! I thought that was going to be a short list, but it just goes on and on and I can STILL think of more to add. If I don’t stop, I’ll be here all day!

    The main complaint I had against the Republicans was that, given all the above, they chose to Impeach him for lying under oath instead of executing him for Treason!

    Priorities, people, Priorities!

  50. #165583
    On November 7th, 2007 at 10:54 am, Paul-Cincy said:

    In the 1980s a liberal friend proudly said to me she always did what was “politically correct”. But now the phrase has become pejorative, meaning a blind obedience to whatever is the daily sensitivity of the left. In the same way, wouldn’t it be great if “swiftboating” became a positive term, meaning those who worked closely with a political candidate in the past giving their testimony about the man/woman’s character? I would have welcomed any of GW’s old cohorts, at Andover, Yale, his frat, the Natl guard, or Harvard to talk about how they saw him. What happened to vouching for someone’s character. You call an employee’s old job they aren’t allowed to say anything except whether he worked there. Legal reasons, you know. “Jenghis Khan”. Come on. He gives testimony to Congress, and it’s Swiftboating to replay it? That’s the left for ya — you repeat their own words to them, and you’re ATTACKING them. How about be careful what you say to Congress, on tape. Jenghis Khan. Ha.

  51. #165585
    On November 7th, 2007 at 10:57 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Thanks aj.!

  52. #165588
    On November 7th, 2007 at 10:59 am, Patriot 1st said:

    The Clinton ship is sinking and they don’t have any life preservers.

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.

  53. #165598
    On November 7th, 2007 at 11:13 am, granite said:

    #26 conservativesRus:

    The one good thing I could say about Clinton is that he didn’t really do a whole lot – so he didn’t break much (except he gutted the military).

    “I respectfully take exception to that. Much worse than gutting the military, he legitimized a “morals don’t matter” and hedonistic behavior pattern. He also “codified” a two tier legal system – one for the “elite”, one for the rest of us.
    History will show him to have damaged the USA far more than is presently apparent.”

    You are exactly correct, conservativesRus.

    #30 Alan-of-Vermont:

    “She is secretive, manipulating and the last person we need in the White House.”

    Correct.
    That has been so obviously shown by her not kicking her philandering, horny, sexually aggressive, adolescent hsuband out on his a$$ years ago.

    There are three (possibly overlapping) explanations.

    Either:

    1) She didn’t think her husband’s sexual behavior was any big deal.
    If so, do we want someone like that as President?

    or

    2) She was too meek and weak to kick him out on his a$$.
    If so, do we really want someone like that as President?

    or

    3) She felt the ends justified the means, meaning that she would put up with anything, endure anything – anything – to benefit politically from association with her husband’s political career. Sounds like more than a hunger – sounds like a LUST for power.
    If so, do we really want someone like that as President?

  54. #165609
    On November 7th, 2007 at 11:18 am, gayle said:

    I think we know that Hillbillary always wished she was born male.

    Bill is just an accessory and that is why she “puts up with his sordid behaviors”. I do not think she even cares.

    Yeah, I agree that her boat is sinking and I pray that NO ONE throws her a rubber raft.

    Just wait. IF she wins the Demo nomination and debates Rudy….LOL!
    Oh What FUN!

  55. #165629
    On November 7th, 2007 at 11:34 am, Gull said:

    Continuing the “piling on” gig(ggle) may be more to Her Thighness’ benefit than her detriment …. Let’s not let anyone forget the question she bumbled.

    She continues to dig a hole for herself on the topic of license for illegal immigrants. Let’s not pile it on so high we lose sight of her parsing!

  56. #165642
    On November 7th, 2007 at 11:45 am, John Ansell said:

    Now we all know Hillary was not in a boat. A canoe paddling down the white water, maybe, but not a boat.

  57. #165645
    On November 7th, 2007 at 11:51 am, shooter said:

    Hillary in the White House as POTUS makes me think of a 7 year old that wins a car in a botched contest.
    Now what? The 7 year old doesn’t have a clue what to do and can NOT possibly even drive the thing.
    .
    On a much more scarier front…Mob bosses stay mob bosses for a long time for very real reasons.

    The Clinton Body Count 1
    .
    Clinton Body Count 2
    .
    Evidence seems to ‘disappear’ …

  58. #165648
    On November 7th, 2007 at 11:55 am, lonewolf said:

    I read somewhere an announcement by John Kerry that he would run for President again and this time was prepared to destroy the reputation of all those who “swiftboated” him.. he did not say they were in error,just that he was gonna get ‘em.

  59. #165656
    On November 7th, 2007 at 12:00 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    “To have the former president come out and suggest this is a form of swift boating … is way over the top in my view, Dodd said in a telephone interview.”

    I guess so, not unlike his recent visit to the O’Reilly Factor.

    The blue-on-blue pile on continues. Bill Clinton tries to play gallant knight, for once, for his wife, and it is blowing up in his smug, bloated face. Schadenfreude tastes so sweet in the morning, doesn’t it?

    I’ll say. I’m starting to wonder if having Bill on the campaign trail is such a good idea. I know the republicans are keeping Bush away, but who knows? Maybe Bill is the weakness in Hillary’s ride that needs to be exposed?

    I’ll be disappointed if the republicans let this one slide by unnoticed. They need to come out and start calling Hillary out on these things, or she will win.

  60. #165657
    On November 7th, 2007 at 12:00 pm, foxforce91 said:

    And Kathleen Willey’s book is about to be published. It looks like you can add Ed Willey to the list of Clinton “kills” as it appears that not only was he one of Clinton’s bagmen, but he was caught stealing some of the illegal contributions. So while husband Ed was cooling down with a bullet in his brain (allegedly self inflicted but fired by his “weak hand”), Horndog Bill was molesting his wife in the White House. How lovely.

    Believe it or not when I was a rabid pro-Clintonite in ‘92, friends of mine who had known the Willeys for years basically said the same thing back then. I learned so many truths about the Clintons over those years that I am scared to death of Cankles becomimg president.

  61. #165660
    On November 7th, 2007 at 12:04 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Hillary’s positions (if they can be called that) are nothing more than three word slogans with no depth that belong on the back of a car (probably an old Volvo 242 or some model of a Subaru).

    Whoa there Cosmo – some of those Subarus deserve better! :)

    And TimD #49, exactly!

  62. #165666
    On November 7th, 2007 at 12:07 pm, granite said:

    #61 AlohaGuy:

    “…some of those Subarus deserve better!”

    Ditto!

    “And TimD #49, exactly!”

    Agree.

  63. #165676
    On November 7th, 2007 at 12:20 pm, John Ansell said:

    AlohaGuy said:
    Hillary’s positions (if they can be called that) are nothing more than three word slogans with no depth that belong on the back of a car (probably an old Volvo 242 or some model of a Subaru).

    I have a bumper sticker: Life’s a B*tch so don’t vote for one.

  64. #165682
    On November 7th, 2007 at 12:26 pm, shooter said:

    On November 7th, 2007 at 10:54 am, TimDenchanter said:

    Great partial list.
    Keep ‘em coming.

    3) She felt the ends justified the means, meaning that she would put up with anything, endure anything – anything – to benefit politically from association with her husband’s political career.

    Is there ANY doubt?
    .
    What I’m liking LOVING, is they are NOT giving BJ free reign on his cover-up B.S. His power of the ‘pied piper’ with his blind followers was thought, on their part, to be impenetrable, omnipotent, unquestioned.
    I think the left/dems always believed that BJ could get Shill out of ANY trouble, just like he did for himself in the White House.
    but now? HE CAN’T!
    I’m relieved beyond my wildest dreams.

  65. #165694
    On November 7th, 2007 at 12:32 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I think the left/dems always believed that BJ could get Shill out of ANY trouble, just like he did for himself in the White House.

    Slick Willy can feel the crowd, sense the shift in the wind, anticipate tough questions, and like a snake, wiggle his way through. She doesn’t have those “skills”.

    Difference between them? Bill “feels your pain”, but Hill wants you to feel hers.

  66. #165710
    On November 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pm, angryoldfatman said:

    If Billy Boy gets to be too much trouble for Empress Cankles, he’s going to have a convenient heart attack around October 2008.

    Mark it down on your calendars now, boys and girls.

  67. #165741
    On November 7th, 2007 at 1:01 pm, CharlieT said:

    Since it was the media persons (Russert & Williams) who started the “assault” on Hillary shouldn’t the Clinton Crime Syndicate really have been complaining about being (Dan) “Rathergated.” OOPS! Forgot, the democraps don’t attack their national media sycophants

  68. #165753
    On November 7th, 2007 at 1:05 pm, Jonathan said:

    We all know the routine; they’ll keep “backstabbing” one another, and accusing each other of how “unqualified” the other is. Then, amazingly they’ll choose “one” for their leader…and of those they “reviled”, the same will be their running-mate. No different from John “F-ing” Kerry and John Edwards…or how Weasle-y Clark passed the buck so quickly to another after all his “rants and rails” against them. Basically, the Democrats are their own worse enemies; “hold your friends close, but your enemies closer”.

  69. #165765
    On November 7th, 2007 at 1:13 pm, cwdancer said:

    Swiftboating – Telling the truth about democrats…..This quote is now in good company. Just heard Rush utter it on his live broadcast..who’s writing for Rush?

  70. #165784
    On November 7th, 2007 at 1:24 pm, bear1909 said:

    On November 7th, 2007 at 7:43 am, ajmontana said:
    The Clinton ship is sinking and they don have any life preservers.

    Image: Bear1909 climbing into his Warthog so he can strafe the area.

    Reminds me of the good ol’ days.

    Top of the morning to you, my fellow Habaneros!

    Well, the vapid Mrs. Bubba Clinton is leaking oil. No surprise to those paying attention. Those of us with eyes to see have long known Mrs. Bubba Clinton is a waffling, weedling, carpetbagging, jive-talking power monger.

    One thing I haven’t read in all the discussion of the grrrl power/feminist/we-wanna-woman issues surrounding Mrs. Bubba Clinton is the topic of how Bubba’s immorality shine differently on Hillary as she “auditions” for the role of President.

    Here’s what I mean. As President, Bubba used the White House as a chick magnet. Hillary ate dirt over it. She bit her tongue and laid low. She even acted as “sex police” against the many co-dalliers who wanted to come forward and clip Bubba for having investigated their knickers against their wills.

    So here is Hillary, the wife of the most powerful man in the known Universe, covering up for his lecherous, sex-addicted narcissism, and more. There is even specualtive reports that she may have even done the ultimate crime for her Bubba Prez. Maybe we will never know.

    But then- there is Hillary Rodham Clinton as possible President. She will be face-to-face with unscrupulous sex-addicted, narcissistic tyrants and dictators.

    How will she respond to them?

    Yes, I know. Probably no worse than the last 8 presidents. But this is Hillary “Hear Me Roar” Rodham Clinton. We all knew Margaret Thatcher’s mettle, and, honey, Hillary’s no Margaret Thatcher.

    Hillary talks tough. And she is quite the chamelon.

    But down deep inside- what does it do to the spine of a human being when they have to eat dirt for 8 years because of their sick husband who treated the Office of the President of the United States as his own MTV set?

    Hillary’s tactical response to the debate and the initiation of the “pig pile” spin are telling. In essence it was “I ate dirt for 8 years. I deserve to be elected. I am ready to lead because of it.”

    Perhaps not. Perhaps her course of action during Bubba’s era was the wrong one. Perhaps Mrs. Bubba Clinton should have been more “presidential” during that time, thinking ahead to how she was
    cementing her own shoes by dummying up.

    It wasn’t about the marriage, Schteppid. It was about your would-be Presidency. Because you showed the world how you would deal with a politician that was giving you the choice between eating dirt and going along, or the option you yourself designed to put him in his place and raise the bar for the entire tawdry scenario, and how the country was ultimately to deal with it.

    The lasting stain of Bubba Clinton is that US Presidents *really are* just harlots who cannot control themselves.

    The lasting echo for Mrs. Bubba Clinton is that she might be discarded, the way Bubba discarded her as a human being with his first sexual dalliance after vows were taken, and even though she ate dirt for 8 years.

    The twisted moral spin used by enablers should never be part of the criteria for electing one President.

  71. #165811
    On November 7th, 2007 at 1:44 pm, nfbailey said:

    I respectfully take exception to that. Much worse than gutting the military, he legitimized a “morals don’t matter” and hedonistic behavior pattern. He also “codified” a two tier legal system – one for the “elite”, one for the rest of us.
    History will show him to have damaged the USA far more than is presently apparent.

    And, let us never forget how he and his lovely wife sold missile technology to China bringing them forward some 25 years in that department, and then “bought” the 96 elections with the proceeds. In fact, in case anyone hasn’t noticed the Chi-Coms are still paying for it as demonstrated by the nepharious donations coming from poor impoverished Chineese shop-keepers in California, etc. etc. etc…

    Disgusting!!!

  72. #165814
    On November 7th, 2007 at 1:45 pm, hatelibs said:

    #49
    You left out MoveOn which was formed by Clinton people to try to get the American people to get past slick Willy’s scandals and “move” forward.

    It is scary how anyone would even consider voting for this woman. She has no substance, no integrity, no principles, no shame, no human decency or qualities, and certainly no legitimate qualifications. Throw in her vicious personality and history of sleaze and you are left with a totally despicable individual.

    One can only hope she implodes on direct issues questions so we aren’t forced to rely totally on campaigning against her as the scum she is. Then the media will really carry the sympathy message for her. I truly have no faith in a large segment of the American people…..specifically non-conservatives. Liberals are useless because they are unable to grasp reality and too many independents are totally uninformed about most important issues. Sadly; way too much of the voting population falls into that category. They have no clue about actual issues beyond the media sound bites. And we all know how that shapes public opinion. One final observation, as some have asked, if she can’t handle Russert and is afraid of Fox News, how in the world is she going to stand up against countries (mostly hostile to the US) whose culture considers a woman as second class personal property? That isn’t something that can be ignored.

    God help us all if get gets elected.

  73. #165815
    On November 7th, 2007 at 1:46 pm, KaosKlerik said:

    Blind_Mule (#48)
    The Clinton’s believe in nuclear proliferation under the twisted logic, If everyone has nuclear weapons no one will use them.

    But they think the best way to handle guns is to take them away from everyone.

    Twisted indeed.

  74. #165823
    On November 7th, 2007 at 1:51 pm, bear1909 said:

    Mrs. Bubba Clinton hasn’t had any executive leadership experiences in government.

    Not electable.

  75. #165824
    On November 7th, 2007 at 1:51 pm, ajmontana said:

    repeat:
    I dont think she would pass a psychiatric evaluation. No doubt in my mind.

  76. #165831
    On November 7th, 2007 at 1:58 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    Hmmmmm…. Me thinks we will see another desperate promise to give everyone $5,000 once she is elected president so that people will forget about this debacle.

  77. #165837
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:03 pm, bear1909 said:

    Newt has some interesting angles on Hillary’s unelectability. Completely caving to the left fringe that is controlling her election primary postures. But she is out of touch with what most of America thinks, wants, believes.

  78. #165848
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:13 pm, KaosKlerik said:

    shooter (#64)
    What I’m liking LOVING, is they are NOT giving BJ free reign on his cover-up B.S. His power of the ‘pied piper’ with his blind followers was thought, on their part, to be impenetrable, omnipotent, unquestioned.
    I think the left/dems always believed that BJ could get Shill out of ANY trouble, just like he did for himself in the White House.
    but now? HE CAN’T!
    I’m relieved beyond my wildest dreams.

    Don’t think we can let up. The Clintons will run all kinds of crazy stuff up the flag pole until something gets a few salutes, then they’ll fly that flag until the problem blows over something else comes along to overshadow it. Just becuase the usual flags aren’t getting the salutes they like doesn’t mean they don’t have a huge pile of flags to choose from.

    We’re all loving that Hillary finally got a dent in her armor, that just means they are working on what to do so she can never be hit that way again. So you might see multi-pronged overt and covert attacks on her opponents, Russert, the bizarrely unsympathetic press (which isn’t covering it up the way she would expect them to), etc.

    And when I say multi-prong, I mean they are going after each one from several different directions. For instance with Russert there were probably calls/letters sent (or on hold) to sponsors, producers warning of the consequences (lack of access, blacklisting, etc.) of crossing the Clintons.

  79. #165860
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:23 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Hillary Clinton realizes that if she is to win in 2008, she needs more than the atheist vote. She needs to win a sizable enough sliver of those 2000 and 2004 moral-religious “values voters” who twice elected George W. Bush. Those who attend church weekly or more went overwhelming for Bush, by two-to-one ratios, and each time provided him with an absolutely decisive vote margin of about five million ballots.

    It became clear in the immediate days after the November 2004 vote, specifically in a speech by Hillary at Tufts University on November 10, 2004, that she was going to go after that values voter. She angrily complained that it was a sign of “such disrespect” to think that liberal Democrats who believe in God cannot be attractive to these religious voters. Ever since, she has pursued a strategy to win them over in 2008.

    She can try…
    Hasn’t won me over.

  80. #165862
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:23 pm, Regulus said:

    Whining inappropriately about “swiftboating” – and I see that ol’ John Kerry is still whining about it as well, but that’s a different story – is a page right out of the Hillary Clinton playbook:

    1. Stay on Script. Don’t give interviews if at all possible, don’t answer questions if at all possible.

    2. If forced to go off-script, and the predictable happens (i.e., the cat gets out of the bag and people see you for who and what you really are), then go on the offensive and relentlessly attack the character of whomever it was that forced you off script.

  81. #165869
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:27 pm, bear1909 said:

    KaosKlerik: I concur. The Clinton’s are a seven headed hydra.

    Wondering if the lack of access will begin to wane as a trump if Hillary doesn’t roll in Iowa and NH.

  82. #165872
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:28 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:23 pm, Regulus said:

    Whining inappropriately about “swiftboating” – and I see that ol’ John Kerry is still whining about it as well, but that’s a different story – is a page right out of the Hillary Clinton playbook:

    1. Stay on Script. Don’t give interviews if at all possible, don’t answer questions if at all possible.

    Bullseye!

    And I have to say it is a good plan….. If you remember, John Kerry Never stood for anything either nor did he ever give a straight answer to direct questions….. And he almost became president with that strategy. I would even venture that if there had not been an incumbent running for re-election, then he would have become president.

  83. #165876
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:31 pm, ajmontana said:

    Mr. Ketchup as Prez. just as scary as Hillary.

  84. #165885
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:35 pm, Speakup said:

    On-my-soap-box said:

    Can you just hear it? That evil Karl Rove is in some dark room laughing.

    *BWAAAHHHAAAHHAAA

    LOL, Snoopy at the typewriter: It was a dark and stormy night.

  85. #165895
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:47 pm, John Ansell said:

    Bear, I really wish Newt would run. He has solutions and great ideas. I’d love to see him debate Killery.

  86. #165897
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pm, ajmontana said:

    That would be like Rambo hunting Bambi.

  87. #165900
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pm, bear1909 said:

    John A #85: I’d like to see Newt take highlights from the debates and do some taped commentary on Hillary’s positions.

    Screen showing Hillary’s comments on given issue- Followed by Newt sitting comfortably in his office chair dismantling Hillary point by point.

    Then putting it up on YouTube. Call it the YouTube “CounterDebate”.

    We’d have great fun watching Hillary trying to address the criticisms indirectly.

    Would expose her to a line of fire she would be reacting to, as if it were a ghost. I think stuff like that would push her closer to the edge.

    Personally, i think she is not in very good shape. Watch her climbing stairs- no vigor. Check it out.

  88. #165901
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pm, jungatheart said:

    God, I love this place! For a long time I thought I was the only one who felt that liberals are insane and Hillary certifiable. Thanks to all of you for keeping me company.

  89. #165907
    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:57 pm, John Ansell said:

    http://www.newt.org

    Here Bear, He’s got a new article on Killery today.

    Too Funny Aj.

  90. #165918
    On November 7th, 2007 at 3:07 pm, conservativesRus said:

    And I have to say it is a good plan….. If you remember, John Kerry Never stood for anything either nor did he ever give a straight answer to direct questions….. And he almost became president with that strategy. I would even venture that if there had not been an incumbent running for re-election, then he would have become president.

    Not so sure – I think if GWB had even remotely stood for something, he’d have had people lined up behind him such that the vote was way way red. GWB was spending too much time listening to the “political calculators” and not enough time just doing and saying what was right. RR didn’t spend much time on spin. He just laid it out there and people loved him – even those who hated him respected him for it. I know times are different – but with GWB, the haters haven’t had anything to respect.

  91. #165930
    On November 7th, 2007 at 3:14 pm, bear1909 said:

    John A: that’s exactly the article I was referring to. Cool!

  92. #165936
    On November 7th, 2007 at 3:17 pm, bear1909 said:

    On November 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pm, ajmontana said:
    That would be like Rambo hunting Bambi.

    Bags Thumper with a clean bow shot while he’s at it.

    Gore would buy ads to extol the virtues of bow huntin as a way of reducing carbon emissions.

    Puke.

  93. #165969
    On November 7th, 2007 at 3:41 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On November 7th, 2007 at 9:32 am, Speakup said:

    Not to mention.

    Did anyone ever prove the swift boaters wrong?
    Ummm…no.

    So swiftboating Hillary could just be..exposing the truth.

    Thanks Bill.

    Precisely. I was hip deep in that debacle, and all Kerry had to do (a promised Russert he would do) was release his full military and medical records.

    If he was telling the truth, the records would have supported him, and the Swifties would have been torpedoed.

    But he didn’t. I say he couldn’t.

    Why? Well, Occam’s razor would seem to imply that those records would NOT have supported him. Hence the stonewalling.

    And I would take the word of all those highly (and honestly) decorated men over that of Kerry any day.

    Democrats constantly try to make “swiftboating” a pejorative, but it is only a bad term for them. Exposing the truth about a candidate is not a bad thing, anymore than exposing Nobel Laureate Gore’s lies, half truths and omissions about “global warming.”

  94. #165978
    On November 7th, 2007 at 3:47 pm, Jim M. said:

    Sounds like the former President is engaged in a new tactic – Swift-Goating

  95. #166035
    On November 7th, 2007 at 4:36 pm, DesertLover said:

    D enial
    E vasion
    M isinformation
    O bfuscation
    C oersion
    R ejection
    A gitation
    T repidation

  96. #166041
    On November 7th, 2007 at 4:42 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Jim-
    Of course the dhimicrat party has always been engaging in their tactic-Swift Borking :)

  97. #166063
    On November 7th, 2007 at 5:10 pm, Django said:

    From Drudge -
    Senator Obama tells FOX NEWS:
    “I think there’s no doubt that we represent the kind of change that Senator Clinton can’t deliver on and part of it is generational. Senator Clinton and others, they’ve been fighting some of the same fights since the ’60’s and it makes it very difficult for them to bring the country together to get things done.”

    I love it. Obama is 100% dead-on correct. I’m sick to death of elderly baby-boomers who want to relive their Summer of Love fantasy forever at the culture’s expense.

    I utterly detest Hillary Clinton. I would vote for Satan himself before I voted for her. Obama…I think he’s a good man and an honorable person even though I don’t agree with his policy ideas. I’m still voting Republican but I’d feel better about our future if Obama was the Dem candidate over Hillary.

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