On November 9th, 2007 at 1:03 pm, mpChops said:
Stop with the race baiting nonsense. You are keeping racism alive, Sharpton.
This very sentiment is what some of the earlier posters are referring to; the idea that racism only exists because people focus on it.

Which isn’t true.

Most on here admit that.

On November 8th, 2007 at 3:28 pm, RaisedRight said:
DarkKnight –

I cannot attest to the veracity of those statements, not knowing what story they are discussing, but I still don’t see them as denials of racism alltogether. I guess we would have to ask Gabe, ACHefty, metsfan4004, and darwin in order to find out the true thought behind these statements. If they were, in fact, saying that there is no racism in this country, then I believe them to be misguided at best.

Stop with the race baiting nonsense. You are keeping racism alive, Sharpton.

This very sentiment is what some of the earlier posters are referring to; the idea that racism only exists because people focus on it.

seven times “just like Joshua marched around the walls of Jericho” Sharpton said.

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And when it doesn’t fall down, you might have your answer from God.
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Stop with the race baiting nonsense. You are keeping racism alive, Sharpton.

Hate crimes are thought crimes.

By definition, terrorism is also a thought crime.

One cannot honestly support terrism charges without at least seeing the validity in hate crimes.

Prime Director, do you believe a crime can be MORE wrong with regard to motive?

In our system of justice, we have multiple justifiable charges for what ultimately is the ending of another person’s life. The difference in those charges is largely motive. Without that, any time a person ends another’s life, it’d be murder. In such a “just” world, a man who strangles his wife would face the same punishment as a mother who rolls over on her child.

The same crime is punished differently depending on the identity of the perpetrator and what he was thinking when he committed the crime.

Only overt acts should be punished, not subjective states of consciousness.

Harassment, assult, murder, etc. are all wrong regardless of motive.

http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/2006/02/drugs-and-personal-responsibility.html

Take a look and comment if you like. There is a big difference between drawing a stick figure of someone with a gun and the disgusting actions of these three. You decide if it was racism, a hate crime or merely depravity.

That sounds good in theory but Hal Turner doesn’t get either MSM exposure or MSM backing. He sure seemed to have widespread support for the “Jena 6″ fiasco and for that matter seems to have widespread support wherever he goes.

I see the point you’re making, but Jena had grassroots and blog support long before Rev. Al got involved. Jena was never about Rev. Al. This march seems all about Rev. Al. I don’t plan to get into it again about Jena, any ?’s can be answered in past threads I commented on. The issue exshausts me at this point, and there’s no common ground.

I watch more T.V and surf the net more than I probably should,but I hadn’t seen anything on the Sharpton led march, before I came on this site. This whole thread just further pepetuates the divide, and gives Sharpton more attention than he deserves. “Okay supporter, haters, argue it out” Sure I’ve been sucked in too. Obviously the topic has long legs, so maybe that’s the idea. But, Sharpton is being granted more attention than he deserves on this issue. This is all bordering on “Sharpton derangement syndrome”. The best way to marginalize someone is too ignore. I guess the mainstream or widespread support you speak of is relative, but I just don’t see it with Sharpton. I do see widespread, undeserved attention and focus from all sides.

He claims to be a Christian preacher but is UNFORGIVING. If, in deed he is a a Christian he sure is BACKSLIDDEN.

Him & Jessie the Jackle are the 2 biggest race baiters & hypocrites on the planet. They are the ones that need to ask for forgiveness and repent of their racist & bigoted attitudes.

I’ve never heard either of these 2 even mention the name of Jesus. All they talk about is race this & race that. The Bible speaks very little about racism. But these 2 clowns are all full of racist & bigoted attitudes.

What Al Dullton’s said is full of vile irrational HATRED & BIGOTRY.

On November 8th, 2007 at 3:28 pm, RaisedRight said:
I cannot attest to the veracity of those statements, not knowing what story they are discussing, but I still don’t see them as denials of racism alltogether. I guess we would have to ask Gabe, ACHefty, metsfan4004, and darwin in order to find out the true thought behind these statements. If they were, in fact, saying that there is no racism in this country, then I believe them to be misguided at best.

You can see the comments in all their glory at:

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/11/why-wont-columbia-university-release-the-noose-security-video/

I was hoping you could clarify something, I don’t quite understand this statement of yours:

I deduce that these people are saying that racism that is manufactured is not true racism at all.

If, for example, we take the case of Kerri Dunn, the professor who smashed her own car and adorned it with racial slurs and then called it the work of racist vandals – this is not true racism in the way that Ms. Dunn claimed it was. However, it is still racism. It is just, in this case, the alleged victim who seems to be operating on racist beliefs. So, I would say that manufactured racism is not true racism in one sense, but then again it is still racially motivated.

I was just saying that those who say that racism is produced by those who wish to “play victim” who conclude that real racism/racial hatred does not exist. Even if there are instances where people have created controversy in order to spark a disturbance, it should not take away from legitimate instances where people have used nooses and other hate symbols to send a message to a victim.

I’ve been trying for weeks to figure out the right way to word that exact sentiment.

You might be pleased to note, however, accusations of hate crimes are proportional to the numbers of blacks and whites in this nation.

There really are no crimes that are done without hate. Violent acts are, by their very definition, hatefilled and hateful acts. To differentiate them along race lines takes exactly what MLK’s “Dream” was and throws it in the trash heap All these “protection” laws do is further separate the races, create bad feelings between them and ultimately do no good what-so-ever.

And don’t go off saying that I am just sounding like a pissed off white guy. Frankly, I ain’t all white to begin with. Someone needs to show me how many whites have been slapped with hate crimes versus how many blacks. When you can turn on any channel on TV and hear whites called honkey, cracker, snowflake etc. on a basic sitcom, yet no other race is permitted to be ridiculed as such, it is incredibly obvious that there is a basic disparity in these alledged “hate crime” statutes that only proves that what they are is, in fact, racist to their very core, and demeaning to those they allegedly protect.