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Hillary’s control freak campaign: The politics of planting questions

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 10, 2007 10:20 AM

Update: Another one!

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Looks like FEMA crapweasels aren’t the only ones faking questions for the public.

Remember when Hillary launched her presidential campaign by touting her folksy bid to start a “conversation–with you, with America?” We knew it was phony baloney, but not this phony baloney:

The Iowa caucuses are known for their “living-room chats” where ordinary Iowans can meet candidates face-to-face and talk about what interests voters. When candidates have larger events or make major policy speeches, the crowds are bigger, but there is often still an opportunity for questions. But under the pressures of major media coverage, with polls narrowing in Iowa, campaigns can potentially control questions and coverage by planning questions ahead of time.

While no campaigns admit to this practice, at a recent Hillary Clinton campaign event in Newton, Iowa, some of the questions posed to the New York Senator were planned in advance, planting some audience members in the crowd.

On Tuesday Nov. 6, the Clinton campaign stopped at a biodiesel plant in Newton as part of a weeklong series of events to introduce her new energy plan. The event was clearly intended to be as much about the press as the Iowa voters in attendance, as a large press core helped fill the small venue. Reporters from many major national news outlets came to the small Iowa town, from such media giants as The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, the Associated Press, and CNN.

After her speech, Clinton accepted questions. But according to Grinnell College student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff ’10, some of the questions from the audience were planned in advance. “They were canned,” she said. Before the event began, a Clinton staff member approached Gallo-Chasanoff to ask a specific question after Clinton’s speech. “One of the senior staffers told me what [to ask],” she said.

Major Garrett at FNC zeroes in on the scripted query:

The tape of the event shows that the question and answer went as follows:

Question: “As a young person, I’m worried about the long-term effects of global warming How does your plan combat climate change?

Clinton: “Well, you should be worried. You know, I find as I travel around Iowa that it’s usually young people that ask me about global warming.”

The campaign’s admission that it planted the question may be another blow to the New York senator’s image as a trustworthy politician.

Clinton’s critics have accused her of being a double-talker who refuses to answer tough questions specifically. Now her campaign has acknowledged planting at least one question.

The Democrat-on-Democrat pile-on continues. Grab your popcorn for a ringside seat:

“In light of a weak debate performance, not to mention a persistent inability to answer the tough questions, it appears the Clinton campaign has adopted a new strategy of planting questions,” John Edwards’ Communications Director Chris Kofinis said.

“It’s what the Clinton campaign calls the politics of planting.”

And more:

The practice of planting audience members to ask specific questions does not appear to be a common practice, or at least not a politically acceptable one. “Our campaign does not plant questions,” said Lauren Rose, Communications Director for Governor Bill Richardson’s campaign. When asked what she would think of other campaigns who did plant audience members, Rose said, “I think campaigns should give Iowa caucus-goers the chance to ask the questions they want.”

Schadenfreude. It’s what’s for breakfast.

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Video: More pile-on.

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  1. #1
    On November 10th, 2007 at 10:33 am, Larry L. Sharp said:

    Once again, Senator Clinton refuses to acknowledge wrong-doing and to accept responsibility for her actions and her handlers’ actions. No where in these articles did she or her handlers admit that planting questions was wrong. They just simply said it won’t be done again. As the kids say, she got “busted” and now she’s doing the typical Clinton damage control. If she hadn’t been “busted” she wouldn’t have said a thing. She would have kept on planting questions to make her look good. She obviously cannot be trusted to tell the truth on the campaign trail, on her marriage, on her finances, on her role as First Lady, on religion, on tipping waitresses, or any other topic. Yet, she has the audacity to expect the citizens of the United States to trust her to tell the truth if she becomes president.

  2. #2
    On November 10th, 2007 at 10:36 am, backwoods conservative said:

    Why does this not surprise me? Bill O has been saying all along that Hillary prefers softball Q&A sessions. Put her in front of some of FNC’s tough questioners and see how she does.

    And as far as this being “another blow to the New York senator’s image as a trustworthy politician”, that’s an image she has never had with me.

  3. #3
    On November 10th, 2007 at 10:45 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

    …may be another blow to the New York senator’s image as a trustworthy politician.

    Since WHEN has this woman been regarded as a “trustworthy” politician? How can Americans be so stupid to even consider her as a serious candidate for president? And those claims that she’s the smartest woman in America? Please, don’t insult me.

  4. #4
    On November 10th, 2007 at 10:45 am, Katie in FL said:

    #2-

    And as far as this being “another blow to the New York senator’s image as a trustworthy politician”, that’s an image she has never had with me.

    Same here- I actually think of the term “trustworthy politician” as an oxymoron.

  5. #5
    On November 10th, 2007 at 10:47 am, capitano said:

    I think it’s interesting that the Edwards campaign is complaining — Elizabeth Edwards was “outed” by Air America for providing reporters with suggested questions as recently as last month.

    And now that we know the real identity of Hillary’s questioner, how can we not be sympathetic? (Hint — scroll to the end)

  6. #6
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:02 am, jsr said:

    Now her campaign has acknowledged planting at least one question.

    Why would she need this plant or any others? With the exception of Time Russert and the illegal immigrant license question, it seems every question I see her answer has been asked by a plant. She is only challenged in the most very narrow sense, asked for specifics and or given the rough handling that a national politician routinely face, (as they should.) She has as much to fear from the MSM as Soviet leaders did from their press corps.

  7. #7
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:04 am, zorro said:

    I heard Hillary will have a supporting role in the new Wizard of Oz… commanding the flying monkeys.

  8. #8
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:06 am, Speakup said:

    I think Hillary could take a gun out of her purse and shoot an Iowan in the head and some people would stubbornly vote for her while on death row.

    Some folks will continue to excuse any Clinton behavior, hopefully reasonable Americans will also continue to discover the real Clinton’s in all of their despicable glory.

  9. #9
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:15 am, Brian72 said:

    Now we understand. It seems the soil at Fox News Channel is not as fertile for planting, so no questions from there.

  10. #10
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:16 am, JammieWearingFool said:

    Let’s have a dialogue!

  11. #11
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:17 am, willie peter said:

    Clinton is simply the political equivalent of a Three Card Monte dealer with less integrity.

  12. #12
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:28 am, JohnHolliday said:

    Let’s not kid ourselves. Every politician loves softball questions. The only difference here is that the MSM supports asking softball questions to the Wicked Witch of the East. They know that if her true colors show, she’ll be seen as unelectable. So they go along with it.

    If the gov’t would release a copy of the Barrett Report that is only redacted for security, we’d all get to see what type of control freak she really is.

  13. #13
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:31 am, MTNEER said:

    I still want to know which staffer planted Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records on the table outside her White House office right after the statute of limitations expired on the Whitewater investigation.

  14. #14
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:32 am, MTNEER said:

    Will James Carville now tell us that someone dragged a $100 bill through a trailer park in Iowa to find someone to embarras Hillary.

  15. #15
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:33 am, backwoods conservative said:

    #4 Katie in FL

    Same here–I actually think of the term “trustworthy politician” as an oxymoron.

    I think there are some trustworthy politicians, but unfortunately very few of them. Our political system doesn’t seem to produce many of them. Even when our elected officials seem trustworthy it behooves us to keep an eye on them.

    Often it is a mixed bag. I have a great deal of trust in President Bush to go after the terrorists. As Dennis Miller said, he’s the terrorists worst nightmare. However, he has let us down on illegal immigration and has been rightfully called under the carpet for it.

  16. #16
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:36 am, MarcTheInfidel said:

    Folks,

    None of this surprises this New Yorker. Hillary uses whatever and whomever is necessary to get closer to the prize, the White House. She used my great state as the spring board for her race to the WH. She cares about NY about as much as she cares for Monica Lewinsky. We were her gravy train.

    Choosing NY as the place to run for Senate was just as calculated as following up the last debate with an event at Welsley and the planting of questions in Iowa.

    As soon as the rest of the country starts to peel back the cosmetic layers of Hillary and get to the core of who she really is, they will realize what we in NY already know, Hillary only cares about Hillary (and Bill, sometimes).

    -Marc

  17. #17
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:41 am, MTNEER said:

    Hillary learned her Machiavellian tactics at the knee of the MASTER, the great Bubba! Whenever Bill got in trouble, out came the quivering lip and the claims that “they’re all out to get me”. Its classic misdirection; evade, ignore, deny and moveon…..org

  18. #18
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:45 am, puhiawa said:

    If she were a Republican it would be al over the news. And I will speculate that her opponets are too cowardly to use the admission.

  19. #19
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:48 am, shooter said:

    Someone needs to look at past video of ALL of her Q&A’s.
    Watch shillary’s maidens in the audience guiding the Shill to people who have the ‘correct’, easy, and planned(&planted) questions.
    I bet they’re ubiquitous as dandelions in spring.

  20. #20
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:49 am, MTNEER said:

    #18 pushiawa, MM’s post included comments by Edwards and Richardson. These may be one shot deals, though. I hope others take up the story.

  21. #21
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:51 am, planetgeo said:

    How many times must we publicly “pants” these grifters before their eloi-like followers get the exposed, dangling participles of their con game message? (Sorry for the spew-worthy imagery.)

  22. #22
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:56 am, shooter said:

    .
    I’m still mystified by the Shillary’s answer…

    “..I find as I travel around Iowa that it’s usually young people that ask me about global warming.”

    HOW? How could that be?????
    It keeps me up at night wondering….

  23. #23
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:59 am, MTNEER said:

    What I can’t understand is why the “smartest woman in the world” or her handlers thought they would even have to plant that particular question. Even without prompting some leftist whackdoodle was almost sure to bring this one up.

  24. #24
    On November 10th, 2007 at 12:02 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    #22

    I also notice that she didn’t really answer the question.

  25. #25
    On November 10th, 2007 at 12:02 pm, pubscout said:

    Guess she can plant questions, but not tips for waitresses….

  26. #26
    On November 10th, 2007 at 12:06 pm, ajmontana said:

    La la la…
    Knock three times on the mic for loaded questionssss
    Twice on your ear , tap tap,
    if its an answer I know o ooooo
    Pitch it in slow so I’m sure to understand themmmmm,
    Can’t think for myself, tap tap,
    but billy may know o oooo
    Blub blub blub our ship is sinking,
    and I don’t know didd a lyyyyyy,
    I’ll just make stuff up as I go along, tap tap,
    and the public wont know o oooo,
    Damaging evidence is in archives forevvvver,
    Stop picking on me, I’m a girl whos not to cleverrrrr,
    When tough issues arise, tap tap
    just hand me the tissuessss,
    the race is heating up and the questions getting tougher,
    wish it was over, cuz I’m nothing but a bluff ah ferrrrrrrr….

  27. #27
    On November 10th, 2007 at 12:09 pm, DanGrantTx said:

    My undergraduate years were spent at a small college in Iowa, and it was a great chance to talk to presidential candidates during the caucuses. I met several candidates from both parties and voted in my first presidential election in 1980 during my sophomore year. My candidate won!

    What’s next for the Senator Lady Macbeth from New York? She already has all of the free media she could ever want, with sycophantic liberal journalists panting over her so one wonders just how much lower she can sink.

  28. #28
    On November 10th, 2007 at 12:16 pm, Reg.conservative said:

    She doesn’t care about the 75% voters here in NY . I am sure they are not all rep.she just fliped us all off. Shut up I know what is best!!!

  29. #29
    On November 10th, 2007 at 12:17 pm, traveler49 said:

    Thanks you Muriel for exposing this act of deceit. I’m sure others have told the media about being approached by Clinton’s staff to ask questions but the media just ignored them. A duplicitous act on their part.

  30. #30
    On November 10th, 2007 at 12:25 pm, docflash said:

    The Clintons must have an acting coach on the payroll.Everything I see them do looks like it was rehearsed.I’ve never understood how they kept getting away with it but maybe the old horse is out of the barn after this last week.This stuff must be pounded on day after day.

  31. #31
    On November 10th, 2007 at 12:55 pm, BrianNY said:

    Hillary’s January 1998, NBC Today Show Interview Regarding Monica Lewinsky:

    Matt Lauer: Has the President described his relationship with Monica Lewinsky to you in detail?
    Hillary: Well, we’ve talked at great length, and I think as this matter unfolds, the entire country will have more information.
    Matt Lauer: Has he described to you what it was?
    Hillary Clinton: Yes. And we’ll find that out as time goes by, Matt. But I think the important thing now is to stand as firmly as I can and say that, you know, the president has denied these allegations on all counts, unequivocally. And we’ll see how this plays out.

    Eight months and millions of taxpayers’ dollars later, “this” played out and the entire country finally had “more information.”

    This woman simply can’t answer a question because of who she is and what she stands for.

  32. #32
    On November 10th, 2007 at 12:57 pm, Branden-in-escalon said:

    Hmmm…I wonder how many people in the crowd got passed over why might have had legitimate, “real” questions.

  33. #33
    On November 10th, 2007 at 12:58 pm, et said:

    Thank God for FNC. To everyone else this was just business as usual.

  34. #34
    On November 10th, 2007 at 1:06 pm, capitano said:

    #14 — no doubt Carville will recycle that imaginary $100 bill that was supposed to go to the Iowa waitress.

  35. #35
    On November 10th, 2007 at 1:12 pm, bit_boy said:

    Was not Tim Russert a satisfactory plant.

  36. #36
    On November 10th, 2007 at 1:14 pm, gtrjnky said:

    Thank God we a have a president who would never stoop so low.

  37. #37
    On November 10th, 2007 at 1:23 pm, BrianNY said:

    The tape of the event shows that the question and answer went as follows:

    Question: “As a young person, I’m worried about the long-term effects of global warming How does your plan combat climate change?

    Clinton: “Well, you should be worried. You know, I find as I travel around Iowa that it’s usually young people that ask me about global warming.”

    The great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is Hillary’s choice of political vocabulary.

    Someone on another blog noted that Hillary is always “fighting” for this, or has been “fighting” all her life for that. Why is she always fighting, and who is she always fighting?

    Same thing with this “you should be worried” line to the college student. I smell a future book title, “Hillary Clinton’s Politics of Fear”.

  38. #38
    On November 10th, 2007 at 1:23 pm, right_on said:

    The tape of the event shows that the question and answer went as follows:

    Question: “As a young person, I’m worried about the long-term effects of global warming How does your plan combat climate (for)change?

    How’s that for parsing words?

    The operative sentence in her prepared response is “Well, you should be worried.” Yeah, worried that she would ever be in position to “rule” over all her subjects! The only converstation she wants is ONE WAY…let’s have a conversation indeed!!!

  39. #39
    On November 10th, 2007 at 1:32 pm, blues said:

    With all of the truths coming out about Hillary,the unfortunate thing is the voters who intend to support her won’t accept that she is as dishonest as she has been proven to be.Democrats just seem to be able to (in their own minds)justify anything the Clintons do,or convince themselves that everyone else is lying.

  40. #40
    On November 10th, 2007 at 1:42 pm, jsr said:

    #35 BrianNY

    Her frequent use of “fighting” has always bothered me as well, but I would say this is not limited to her. Democrats are always talking about how they are fighting for this right or that group. That is if they are not talking about protecting children or the elderly or worse yet, veterans. It is very revealing of the condescending view they have of the general public, as well as their paranoid view of the world around them.

  41. #41
    On November 10th, 2007 at 1:43 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    The Clinton Campaign are skilled in the art of turd polishing, achieving the highest possible “dull luster” from their oh-so-smelly candidate.

  42. #42
    On November 10th, 2007 at 1:54 pm, almeehan said:

    Yes, there are multiple stories of “fighting” in the White House, on the campaign trail, with staffers, etc. And the campaign staff got stiffed because they planted the wrong question to little Timmy Russert, liberal weasel that he is. Timmy boy now is trying to redeem his tarnished image to the Clinton machine. Who planted the Rose law firm records mysteriously in the White House? Yes, Hilariously, inquiring minds want to know. Unfortunately too many twisted, closed, liberal minds blindly blunder onward championing this windbag in a pants suit.

  43. #43
    On November 10th, 2007 at 1:55 pm, tacodawn said:

    Years ago I remember reading a questionnaire my Dad had to fill out for an upcoming reunion.

    He’s always been a humble man who’s achievements far outmatched what he’d ever claim.

    The question that struck me was this:

    “What are your pet-peeves?”

    He wrote:

    Bill and Hillary in no particular order!
    (yes he used the exclamation point)

    At the time it made me laugh but now it just makes me mad.

    Karma needs to come-a-calling on their door — and soon.

  44. #44
    On November 10th, 2007 at 2:13 pm, brooklyn red said:

    No surprise… look at what happened when she was asked a question she didn’t rehearse the answer to. lol!

    Here is a sign to look for to see if a question is planted- if the person asking the question is a plant they will preface the question by declaring the group they are allegedly representing, example: “I am a young person…” Really?! I thought you were here from AARP!

    Look for more questions to come by people who say. I am a Veteran, I am a single mother, I am a victim of Bush’s policies, blah, blah, blah.

  45. #45
    On November 10th, 2007 at 2:20 pm, Paul said:

    Hillary keeps fighting for this and that…

    Has she ever won any of these fights? Apparently not. She’s too busy going mirror mirror on the wall…

  46. #46
    On November 10th, 2007 at 2:24 pm, CommentGuy said:

    It was only a short time ago Hillary had someone ask her a question she didn’t like and accused the questioner of being a plant by the opposition. She later apologized to gentleman who asked the question, but up until that point she insisted that she had run into repeated “planted questioners” as being the reason for her reaction to the gentleman.

    So to really make it simple for her I propose that opposition parties send people to her campaign stops wearing tshirts that clearly identify them of being from other groups and ask the questions that the press won’t ask or see if she blocks out participation of any body but her supporters.

    After all look at the stops Republicans do they answer questions from all comers.

    Mitt and Rudy and Fred have taken questions from all sides even the truthers and stood their ground well.

    I doubt that Hillary would be able to do so.

  47. #47
    On November 10th, 2007 at 2:27 pm, atxcowgirl said:

    Update: FNC’s Major Garrett has an exclusive of more question planting. Investigation ongoing.

  48. #48
    On November 10th, 2007 at 2:36 pm, twoninerkilo said:

    From another thread, a fitting discription, “a pig in pant suits.” You can’t put enough lipstick on that pig.

  49. #49
    On November 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pm, WORK949 said:

    Shadin’ Freud.

    Uh huh.

    Why am I not surprised that Senator Clinton would plant a question?This lady is a unique piece of work. She has all the heart and soul of a reticulated python that hasn’t eaten for about a year.

    BTW I really like that term “crap weasel.” Rolls off the tongue nicely and it’s pleasing to the ear, in a different sort of way.

    Go, Michelle!

  50. #50
    On November 10th, 2007 at 2:56 pm, hadsil said:

    Tim Russert not included.

  51. #51
    On November 10th, 2007 at 3:01 pm, graysonret said:

    Typical liberal politician-interested only in power and nothing else. She won’t represent this country anywhere; just herself. As far as global warming is concerned, they were showing newsreels back in the early 30s, about the polar ice caps melting and the demise of the polar bears. 1 84-year gentleman stated that he’s been through so many global warming and global cooling crisises, he can’t keep count.

  52. #52
    On November 10th, 2007 at 3:18 pm, BrianNY said:

    #30 docflash said:

    The Clintons must have an acting coach on the payroll.

    From appearance, it must be the same coach that John Kerry used:
    1. spooky “Kim Ill Jong” hand claps while walking around stage, thus prolonging forced ovations.
    2. Exaggerated stares and grins while acknowledging unspecified individuals out of a crowd of hundreds.
    3. Pointing to same unspecified individuals while covering one’s heart, thus implying that you are eternally grateful for something that those individuals did.
    4. Clasping hands in prayer and bowing towards audience like a Buddhist monk.

    These predictable stage gestures are always a source of laughter for my family. We wonder if others feel the same.

  53. #53
    On November 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pm, trinitytim said:

    29erkilo said:

    From another thread, a fitting discription, “a pig in pant suits.” You can’t put enough lipstick on that pig.

    That about says it all.

    These two, known to honest people as crapweasels, known to everyone else as the Clintons will do anything, and I do mean anything to get and keep power.

    They are the most dangerous people in the world except for maybe Islamic Jihadists and I’m not too sure they aren’t just as bad. In fact, I bet that if she’s elected, her first term will not be over before she surrenders us to Islam.

    I hope I’m wrong but I wouldn’t put anything past these two. Just look at the list of dead bodies that are connected to their campaigns. The list includes police officers, lawyers, subordinates, lovers and others who thought they were in the inner circle.

    Why else would Sandy Berger (the guy with the extra pockets and the XL socks) be a part of her campaign. Keep your enemies closer. She knows that he knows too much.

  54. #54
    On November 10th, 2007 at 3:36 pm, BrianNY said:

    #44 atxcowgirl said:

    Update: FNC’s Major Garrett has an exclusive of more question planting. Investigation ongoing.

    At 3:00 pm (EST) Garrett returned to report more specifics with direct quotes and names. A Clintoon spokesperson, who isn’t denying these incidents, is saying that they just aren’t important.

  55. #55
    On November 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pm, bear1909 said:

    Pig in a Pant Suit= PIAPS

    I credit Dr. Jack Wheeler, one of the key behind the scene builders of the Reagan Revolution.

    Turd Burper= TB

    I credit ajmontana from our own homey team here at MM with raising the level of accuracy for the term “Crap Weasel”.

    But I digress.

    OT Update: Berekeley Barracudas Under 10 Soccer club finishes the fall season 10-0 with a forfeit by the all-illegal alien team. Looks like ICE got busy up in there last nite.

    Back On Topic:

    Hillary is going to melt like a Day of the Dead sugar skull left out in a November drizzle.

    The Hsu scandal. Slow dribby drabby FEC red tape.

    Pig piling on the PIAP Spitzer issue debacle.

    Now the “Planted Questions”.

    Candidates unravel a little at a time. Their personal base gets eaten away little by little until the campaign has to actually strategize all the new little holes being bored into her clay feet from within.

    There are plenty of Clinton family scandals. I know we’d like to see Bubba and PIAP in jump suits- but these old scandals may not ever get picked up.

    Hillary’s own shortcomings will undo her.

    But it happens one little drop at a time. Erosion. It brings castles down the mountain.

    No one is invulnerable in a campaign.

  56. #56
    On November 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pm, bear1909 said:

    Sandy Berger= SB= TB

    Do the math, America

  57. #57
    On November 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pm, madchef said:

    The Clintons are the reason why the founding fathers wrote the second ammendment, to protect us from tyrants.

  58. #58
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pm, bear1909 said:

    4. Clasping hands in prayer and bowing towards audience like a Buddhist monk.

    These predictable stage gestures are always a source of laughter for my family. We wonder if others feel the same.

    This is my pet peeve about *most* Moon Loons who have been in my classrooms and public lectures and workshops.

    Their “faux” spiritualist appearance ripping off a philosophy that they try to sell as “religion”.

    I was in Boulder, Colorado a few months back doing a workshop on reducing interracial discrimination. 300 people. Lots of workshoppy type exercises. Lots of Moon Loons doing the hand thing anytime somebody said something intelligent. Making their eyes roll up in their sockets like they were going to channel Guatama himself.

    Puke.

  59. #59
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    Thanks for the explanation of the abbreviations, bear. I’m sure that will be helpful to some of our newcomers who may not have followed the thread(s) where those came into use.

    I considered making a list of TB’s, giving such examples as Harry Reid, Dick Durbin, Ted Kennedy, etc., but I realized it would be too long and far complete.

  60. #60
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pm, bear1909 said:

    3. Pointing to same unspecified individuals while covering one’s heart, thus implying that you are eternally grateful for something that those individuals did.

    PIAP is such a heartless thug she usually puts her hand anywhere but in the heart region.

    Her stage antics remind me of the beauty queen contestant who has to put vaseline on her teeth just to keep smiling- so unused to doing it in a genuine way.

    PIAP also reminds me of a cheating student getting an “honors” award. Everyone knows she is lying her butt off.

    And then, there is the archetypal snake in high school, whom everybody knows is a reptile, making her big entrance into the basketball gymnasium- of course, after the game is underway, pointing into the crowd and doing all the winky eyebrow raising “I’m in with the in crowd.”

    But if ya turnaround to see where she’s pointin and lookin, one sees that no one is lookin back.

    EEERRRRNTTTTT!!!!!!! Busted. Loser.

    You’d think she’d talk about these things with her daughter What’s-her-Name, the overpaid consultant from Oxford.

    Puke.

  61. #61
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:10 pm, bear1909 said:

    backwoodsConservative:

    ya know, i love documentation of the enemy within. we could call it “backwoodsConservatives Kitchen Table List of TBs”.

    It is such a great descriptive. I remember a picture covering an article in National Lampoon, with vague recollection- so rescue me if I am wrong- about the politics of “bullsh*t” in Washington. Sometime in the early 70s.

    The picture showed streams of BS coming out of a cartoon nixon’s mouth, his phone, and wherever the lines lead, Kissinger, haldemann, erlich, dean etc

    All the BS coming right out the mouth.

    TB fits all of these domestic enemies to a T.

  62. #62
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    #58 bear1909

    No rescue from here. I don’t recall that particular issue of National Lampoon. At that early stage of my life most of my knowledge of politics came from Mad Magazine.

  63. #63
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pm, bear1909 said:

    BCKwoodsConservative:

    :lol: i was a hybridized Mad-NatLampoon
    student back then. Hell, i still dig Mad. My Mom, GRHS, used to get steamed when she would find my discrete posting of Alfred E. Neumann’s picture somewhere around the house. It was hilarious to watch her fume her visceral reaction to the nonsensical guru of psychosis.

    that was 1964 when i was in 4th grade.

    Then there were the little surfer monster decals picturing these weird looking beasties with names like “Dave” “Glenn”.

    the nuns loved those guys! stick em in our religion books. oh man. corporal punishment would get unleashed.

    ahhhh them were the dayz. :lol:

  64. #64
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pm, brooklyn red said:

    madchef, you said 2nd amendment!

    I live in NEW YORK, crap!, the police will be here any minute to seize my computer! A DSL connection is considered an assult weapon in NYC, (it can influence more than one person at a time)

    thanks alot!

    What were you thinking!

  65. #65
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pm, bear1909 said:

    aj- are you a distant cousin to Tony Orlando? :lol:

    u been holdin out on us dude!

  66. #66
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    At the risk of getting too far OT, I had a substitute teacher back in the 70s who had spent a year working overseas. He said to keep up with what was going on in the US he read three magazines. For the left and right wing points of view he read Time and Newsweek (although I forget which he said was which). To find out what was really going on he read Mad.

  67. #67
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:34 pm, bear1909 said:

    I just noticed PIAPS in her straw hat. omg. let’s have a caption contest.

  68. #68
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pm, bear1909 said:

    … cold and drizzly by the oil slicked SFO Bay today.

    “the weather outside is frightful….”

    might be a die hard trilogy weekend for the Birthday Bear! (11.12)

    Image: Bear1909 photoshopping his 38th birthday celebration picture.

    38 forever may i BEEEEEEEEEEE!

    I salute my fellow Scorpions.
    :lol:

  69. #69
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:47 pm, Jim M. said:

    Hillary’s next book: “It Takes a Greenhouse”

  70. #70
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:48 pm, ajmontana said:

    bear, this one you may like. :lol:
    tinfoil hat
    PIAPS

  71. #71
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:49 pm, ajmontana said:

    Caption,
    “take me to your leader”

  72. #72
    On November 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pm, ajmontana said:

    caption for #69
    bills thingy is this big

  73. #73
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pm, coffee260 said:

    FYI:

    UPDATE: Fox News is reporting on another planting incedent by the Clinton campaign. Here’s an excerpt and here’ the link:

    SIOUX CITY, Iowa — For the second time in as many days, Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign has had to deal with accusations of planting questions during public appearances.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310417,00.html

  74. #74
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pm, shooter said:

    On November 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pm, madchef said:
    The Clintons are the reason why the founding fathers wrote the second ammendment, to protect us from tyrants.

    I’m afraid you’re right, afraid because I really might need to ammo up. In America.?!?!
    .
    I’m also afraid bear had his 6 beers all in a row again.
    Pace bear, pace yourself. :-) . :-(or at least share. :-)
    .
    libra/scorpion cusp!!! bets of BOTH.

  75. #75
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:17 pm, ajmontana said:

    “I’m beginning a conversation — with you, with America and with the voices in my head.”

    fixed.

  76. #76
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pm, jnd said:

    This hasn’t really been big news. I just wonder how often we would hear about this if Bush or someone like that pulled a stunt like this.

  77. #77
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:29 pm, beenthere said:

    Where there is fertilizer, there are plants. That much should be obvious, but will it matter? The wheels keep coming off the Clinton-semi, but the damn thing still hurtles down the road to the White House.

    Like the OJ trial, where there was an eerie fascination in watching a man get away with murder, there is something uncanny is the way the Clinton’s get away with everything and anything. People seem to forget what they have done even as they do it.

    BTW, has anyone read Kathleen Wiley’s book? It might make for a very interesting thread, but even Conservatives appear to be ignoring the book. That should convince us that liberals reign supreme in this country.

  78. #78
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pm, bear1909 said:

    #72: see what I mean? She’s unraveling because she can’t just “let go”.

    So she will be victim to DINOPA or the Dinesism on the Nature of Paradox which holds that the more one strives to create a certain effect, the liklihood increases that the opposite effect will occur.

    PIAPS is overefforting. She is so bent on control and minimizing risk of failing to answer the tough questions- which is really her fear of being tacked down to a position or two-that she is creating the opposite effect.

    The opposite effect from the one she wanted to create (controlling the questions and media sound bytes)is now PIAPS will have to demonstrate that she can “handle the tough questions”, which she obviously cannot because she is a scripted mannequin.

    Bingo. PIAPS is creating the opposite effect of her intentions. Say Buh Bye!

    Oh, another related Dinesism I love is “Trends continue until they end.”

    PIAPS is feeding a trend with her recent history and current manipulations.

    All of the crap PIAPS and Hubby Bubba have set in motion is, yep-you guessed it, still in motion.

    Their paradox creating, overefforting momentum is so strong and well-financed that it is going to roll through the electorate’s living rooms like a slime-covered disco ball.

    How fortunate for us that we are approaching the year of PIAPS so-hoped-for “rise to power” with that slime covered disco ball picking up speed.

    Planted questions thought up by handlers with IQs less than geraniums. Classic.

    Oh, before I forget, Dinesisms are the wisdom of James Dines. At a tender age in his 20s Dines ushered in the use of technical analysis among the Wall Street priesthoods in the late 60s. He was promptly run out of Wall Street.

    Best thing ever to happen to him. Dines resides in the North Bay Area.

    He recorded his Dinesisms in the book “The History of Mass Psychology” where he articulates his thesis that the stock markets are like a mass encephalogram of society.

    The Dinesisms are a can’t miss practical guide to human behavior in almost every domain that we can experience. Worth adding to your libraries. 8)

  79. #79
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:35 pm, bear1909 said:

    .
    I’m also afraid bear had his 6 beers all in a row again.
    Pace bear, pace yourself. . :-(or at least share.

    :lol: Shooter, the yolk’s on you, Dude.
    Bear has been sober for so long now that “the only bar i ever see got lettuce and tomato”….

    all the best to you! 8)

    Your Ever Grateful Birthday Bear1909

  80. #80
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:36 pm, bear1909 said:

    aj- you continue to chisel away at the stone cold portraiture of the PIAPS TB.

    nice touch.

    8)

  81. #81
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:37 pm, uhangtight said:

    Understanding democrats and their love of the Clintons: make no mistake,only the democrat women love her unconditionally. 60% of the democrat party are women and 40% are male. 20% of the democrat men will NOT vote for Hillary. while a certain majority of the women will vote for her ‘just because she is a woman’.

    My guess is that they are hoping beyond all hopes that it will be Bill running things (behind the scenes). And, they will put up with Shrially PIAPS just so they can have Bill get around the Constitution and end up in the White House by hook or by crook.

    Her campaign people are insisting that 18% of Republican Women will vote for her just because she is a woman. I am sorry, my guess is they don’t really know any Republican Women….

  82. #82
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:46 pm, bear1909 said:

    My guess is that they are hoping beyond all hopes that it will be Bill running things (behind the scenes). And, they will put up with Shrially PIAPS just so they can have Bill get around the Constitution and end up in the White House by hook or by crook.

    and let’s hope for this to become an election issue should she get the nomination.

    The tough question: “Mrs. Clinton- given the fact that you are married to th ex-President Clinton (Cough) sewer rat (cough cough) what assurances can you give the Nation that you will be the chief executive of the United States and commander in chief in both title and decisionmaking?”

    Tough question?

  83. #83
    On November 10th, 2007 at 5:49 pm, ajmontana said:

    just ask her what size she is so we can fit her for a straight jacket.

  84. #84
    On November 10th, 2007 at 6:04 pm, bear1909 said:

    PIAPS- back away slowly from the podium…..

    8)

    PS: Erratum-

    The Dines book title referred to in #76 is “Mass Psychology”

  85. #85
    On November 10th, 2007 at 6:05 pm, shooter said:

    Your Ever Grateful Birthday Bear1909

    Yolk back atcha…birthday boy.
    Friend of B and the Dr. myself.

  86. #86
    On November 10th, 2007 at 6:07 pm, atxcowgirl said:

    #75 BTW, has anyone read Kathleen Wiley’s book?

    I just heard about it on H&C. Isn’t it just coming out or am I behind times? Will definitely look for it and read. I’ve already read several Hillary books so far this year.

    I have an extensive wish list but can only read one at a time! :)

    I just finished Michelles “Unhinged” (Also read Invasion) I dropped it off at the library this morning and picked up “The Deporter” and “Power to the People”

    I’m on the waiting list for “Lone Survivor” and “World War IV”.

    I’ll read it if I can get my hands on it!

  87. #87
    On November 10th, 2007 at 6:18 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    #83

    I can relate to that.

  88. #88
    On November 10th, 2007 at 6:37 pm, Jim M. said:

    One of Hillary’s major problems is to try to maintain a public persona that is very different from who she really is.

    She is about the best I have ever seen at masking her true identity. That polish can only be maintained for so long without slipping up.

    In a controlled environment, she is much better able to show what she thinks the American people want to see. Which is the reason for plant questions, viscious attacks on opponents and highly scripted interviews.

    When she gets out of that environment, there is only so much preparation that she can conduct. When someone throws her something unexpected, as Russert did with his question on driver’s licenses for illegals, she cannot handle it.

    If anything, that one incident should show America that if she does have an opinion on a subject, it will not be shared. If she cannot produce a scripted answer, she gives a non answer. And if it blows up in her face, she goes on to attack the messenger.

    A President needs to be able to handle the unexpected; to think on his or her feet. Hillary has not demonstrated that ability in the least. She is indeed highly intelligent and undoubtedly ambitious. But those traits do not a leader make.

  89. #89
    On November 10th, 2007 at 6:44 pm, shooter said:

    On November 10th, 2007 at 6:07 pm, atxcowgirl

    I havent read Wileys book yet either.
    If you haven’t read “Unlimited Access” by FBI agent Gary Aldrich, its a must for real life info on billary in the white house. Nightmare on Penn.

  90. #90
    On November 10th, 2007 at 6:48 pm, bear1909 said:

    I’m on the waiting list for “Lone Survivor” and “World War IV

    atxcowgirl: I devoured WW4. Best summary of the “Bush Doctrine”.

    “Wars of Blood and Faith” is a good follow-up. Ralph Peters swings for the fences. Series of his essays. Chock full of ammo. Even gives the venerable Mark Steyn a good run for his money on Muslims taking over Europe.

  91. #91
    On November 10th, 2007 at 6:50 pm, bear1909 said:

    Yolk back atcha…birthday boy.
    Friend of B and the Dr. myself.

    Big thumbs up to the Shooter 8)

  92. #92
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:00 pm, bear1909 said:

    I havent read Wileys book yet either.
    If you haven’t read “Unlimited Access” by FBI agent Gary Aldrich, its a must for real life info on billary in the white house. Nightmare on Penn.

    I put this one on my list, Shooter. Thanks for the tip. 8)

  93. #93
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pm, atxcowgirl said:

    #87 & #88 Thanks.

    Wow more books to read. Will definitely check into them.
    I read Hillary’s Scheme and Extreme Makeover of HRC. I read Her Way but after the first two that one seemed to leave out and gloss over a lot.

    BTW how do you do that box?

  94. #94
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pm, Prime Director said:

    Glad to hear her tHighness is having trouble covering her tracks. We all know she’s crooked, but its great to see some evidence of her perfidity make the news cycle every now and then.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think anyone or anything can knock her out of the dem’s top spot and derail her candidacy. Still, the primaries are a lot like a demolition derby, where the winner is just the last one standing.

    The more dings and dents she has at the end of the primaries, the greater the likelihood she’ll break down in the general election.

    I can see it now: the PIAPS car barely moving, grill smashed in, gushing fluids, smoke pouring out of her rear end, a sitting duck, all lined up, ready to be t-boned and put out of our misery by the red 08 car.

  95. #95
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:14 pm, ajmontana said:

    aj wishin he was in the 08 car.. 8)

  96. #96
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:24 pm, MTNEER said:

    Bear1909#76, If y’all wuz in da 4th grade in’64 y’ain’t 38! LOL& HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

  97. #97
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:35 pm, DelosWorld said:

    I guess you can’t generate the ethanol or biodiesel without a little planting.

  98. #98
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:41 pm, ajmontana said:

    alas! she of methane breath speaketh from script.
    in baseball terms.
    “she couldnt hit uncle charlie.”
    Wont be makin the big leagues.

  99. #99
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:42 pm, atxcowgirl said:

    MTNEER said: #94
    Bear1909#76, If y’all wuz in da 4th grade in’64 y’ain’t 38! LOL& HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

    bear1909 said: #67
    Image: Bear1909 photoshopping his 38th birthday celebration picture.

    38 forever may i BEEEEEEEEEEE!

    That sorta answeres that.

    Happy B-Day Bear1909!!

    (I still don’t know how to put those into a box!)

  100. #100
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:42 pm, shooter said:

    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pm, atxcowgirl

    I cut and paste your info to the comment area, then highlite and click on quote.
    For anything in quote box, highlite what you wrote, then click on ‘quote button’ above …
    Use the same for BOLD, emphasis, etc.

  101. #101
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:49 pm, atxcowgirl said:

    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:42 pm, shooter said:
    I cut and paste your info to the comment area, then highlite and click on quote.
    For anything in quote box, highlite what you wrote, then click on ‘quote button’ above …
    Use the same for BOLD, emphasis, etc.

    DUH! I sometimes wonder about myself.

  102. #102
    On November 10th, 2007 at 7:53 pm, shooter said:

    way to go texas!

  103. #103
    On November 10th, 2007 at 8:23 pm, TXRose said:

    Do we really believe that good ole boy yellow dog “dims” will vote for Hitlery, even with Bubba living
    somewhere in the White House with her?
    A good friend of ours daughter was an intern in the
    first Bush White House. He got a call two weeks into
    the Clinton years to send her a ticket home to TX
    because she could not work in the atmosphere that
    was already developing in the W.H. He was pinching
    bottoms and she was throwing things at him and
    anyone else that crossed her, plus she could not
    stand H’s language. Apparently it would have made
    (and this will date me) Andrew Dice Clay blush! She
    also alluded to “his friends” and “her friends.” I’m
    not going any farther, but didn’t anyone wonder how the smartest woman in America, with at least
    one clipping service working for her, plus all of the
    staffers whose only job is to keep her apprised of
    the news, did not know about Monica until he told
    her about the mess he’d made? Just wondering.

  104. #104
    On November 10th, 2007 at 8:56 pm, gandolphxx said:

    In a telephone interview with Fox, Geoffrey Mitchell, 32, says he was approached by an operative for the Clinton campaign to ask a planted question about standing up to President Bush on Iraq war funding. The encounter happened before an event on a farm outside Fort Madison, Iowa.

    - Another Question Planted by Team Hillary? - no surprise.

  105. #105
    On November 10th, 2007 at 9:18 pm, Bruce said:

    If Hillary was a monster alien from outer space and campaigned saying, “I am going to kill all of you and eat you, then destroy the entire earth,” she still would get 40% of the vote.

    So, I say what Hillary says or does has very little effect on her support. As long as we continue without a strong candidate to aggressively oppose her, she’s got a free ride.

  106. #106
    On November 10th, 2007 at 9:39 pm, atxcowgirl said:

    Fear of a dynasty denies Hillary Clinton votes

    Maybe there is hope. At least a negative for Hillary.

    Members of Barack-Stars, 17-year-old school pupils who are entitled to vote in the Iowa caucus if they turn 18 by November 4, 2008, election day.

    “Andrew Lopez, 17, said: “I wasn’t even born when the first Bush became president. Bill Clinton is one of my all-time favourites, but there’s something about Hillary’s nature . . . As a kid, I don’t feel she gets me. She seems too uptight.”

  107. #107
    On November 10th, 2007 at 9:46 pm, ajmontana said:

    ya gotta like a kid named Andrew. 8)

  108. #108
    On November 10th, 2007 at 10:24 pm, RetFireman said:

    Seriously though, who is surprised by this revelation? No one here I would imagine. As for any blind Libs that may be shocked to find out that she does this, all I can say is that it just shows how blinded by all the Liberal and Democrat lies over the years you have been. It is time to get out and actually look at the schysters you are supporting. See them for the lying, filth slingers that they truly are. They are worse than used car salesmen. They will say anything, promise you anything, blow rainbows and cotton candy up your balloon knots to get you to vote for them. When it comes right down to it, if you actually knew anything about this country and how it and it’s budget and courts operate, you would realize that there is no possible way that anything they are and have promised could possibly be delivered. It is just the politics of feelgood that they are using. Hillary is their master and she learned it all from her husband.

    Her having plants is the audience is nothing that should surprise you. It is nothing that she hasn’t already been doing…she is just telling you what you want to hear. She is promising the moon to you but when it comes right down to it, the only person she is interested in and the only one that will benifit from her becoming elected President and leader of the Free World will be her and her “husband” Bill.

  109. #109
    On November 10th, 2007 at 10:56 pm, bear1909 said:

    On November 10th, 2007 at 9:18 pm, Bruce said:
    If Hillary was a monster alien from outer space and campaigned saying, “I am going to kill all of you and eat you, then destroy the entire earth,” she still would get 40% of the vote.

    Now if i was a martian and landed here tellin people I ate Mexicans and peed gasoline, wouldja vote for me?

    8)

  110. #110
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:10 pm, uhangtight said:

    do you suppose the reason she was so angry at the guy that asked her the hardball questions and accused him of being a plant was because: she knew she was supposed to have ’scripted questions’ and when his wasn’t she went into attack mode immediately?

    maybe my disgust for her and her husband makes me feel that their sliminess should be so obvious to others.. but i just don’t get how she could be the front runner.

    you would think that barack would be further ahead. i hope he quits playing nicey nice and starts going on the offense. and really plays on the obvious, if shrillary can’t think on her feet, what makes you think it is really her behind the desk????

  111. #111
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:10 pm, uhangtight said:

    Now if i was a martian and landed here tellin people I ate Mexicans and peed gasoline, wouldja vote for me?

    bear1909, yes in a heart beat

  112. #112
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:28 pm, RetFireman said:

    I really hate how she is being portrayed as such a strong woman for running for President, and all the people saying how they should vote for her because she is a woman.

    Does no one remember Elizabeth Dole? Where were all these acolades for her? Where were all these feminists and such claiming they needed to vote for and encourage her because she was a woman?

    Filthy bunch of hypocrites. E. Dole was by far a much better and far more qualified candidate than Hillary is and the Dem’s are just plain wrong.

  113. #113
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:30 pm, bear1909 said:

    you would think that barack would be further ahead.

    I cannot believe that Obama has settled for such ditchwater political advisors for this campaign. his speechwriters sound like they are still in college.

    This is where top people should be bought to run the campaign. what the hell is the money he raised being spent on, jet fuel.

    “Platitudinous” is the word that comes to mind when I hear Obama’s name.

  114. #114
    On November 10th, 2007 at 11:54 pm, RetFireman said:

    Well, you can only go so far on looks. Since no one still knows exactly what he brings to the table in order to be President other than the fact that the media declared him the Democrats new “Wonderboy” a few years ago, even the best handlers in the world can only do so much with nothing.

    A less than one term Senator who has no experience in anything global or policy wise…what has he got?

  115. #115
    On November 11th, 2007 at 4:31 am, threeCents said:

    Hillary: The buck stops…over there… with my staff!

  116. #116
    On November 11th, 2007 at 4:01 pm, brooklyn red said:

    RetFireman, he’s got Soros $$$, be very afraid.

  117. #117
    On November 11th, 2007 at 4:39 pm, fretless said:

    Hillary!: A conversation with American Sock Puppets?

  118. #118
    On November 12th, 2007 at 1:43 am, Jim C. said:

    Hmm. If she wants a conversation with America, and the questions originate with her, is that “Les États-Unis, c’est moi”?

    Or is it “I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together”?

  119. #119
    On November 12th, 2007 at 3:20 am, RetFireman said:

    Jim…John is rolling over in his urn. Disgracing a Beatles song like that, using it for hillary is just plain blasphemy.

    Next time, please use a McCartney piece of tripe. It is far more suited for her.

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