Where did all the Jena 6 money go?
Booyah!
The Chicago Tribune’s Howard Witt penned an investigative piece published yesterday on the controversy surrounding the charitable funds raised for the Jena 6. I’m sure you’ll be shocked to learn that much of the money can’t be traced, while some of the defendants are literally rolling in race-hustling dough:
Just weeks after some 20,000 demonstrators protested what they decried as unequal justice aimed at six black teenagers in the Louisiana town of Jena, controversy is growing over the accounting and disbursing of at least $500,000 donated to pay for the teenagers’ legal defense.
Parents of the “Jena 6″ teens have refused to publicly account for how they are spending a large portion of the cash, estimated at up to $250,000, that resides in a bank account they control.
Michael Baisden, a nationally syndicated black radio host who is leading a major fundraising drive on behalf of the Jena 6, has declined to reveal how much he has collected. Attorneys for the first defendant to go to trial, Mychal Bell, say they have yet to receive any money from him.
Meanwhile, photos and videos are circulating across the Internet that raise questions about how the donated money is being spent. One photo shows Robert Bailey, one of the Jena 6 defendants, smiling and posing with $100 bills stuffed in his mouth. Another shows defendants Carwin Jones and Bryant Purvis modeling like rap stars at the Black Entertainment Television Hip-Hop music awards last month in Atlanta.
The teenagers’ parents have strongly denied that they have misused any of the donated money. Bailey’s mother, for example, insisted that the $100 bills shown in the photograph were cash her son had earned as a park maintenance worker.
But civil rights leaders who helped organize support for the youths say they are concerned about the perceptions that are spreading.
“There are definitely questions out there about the money,” said Alan Bean, director of a Texas-based group, Friends of Justice, who was the first civil rights activist to investigate the Jena 6 case. “I hate to even address this issue because it inevitably will raise questions as to all of the money that has been raised, and that is going to hurt the defendants.”
Watch this video montage of Bailey’s bling-bling photos from his MySpace page. Like I said, he’s literally rolling in dough on his bed:
This clip and others like it have been circulating on the Internet for more than a month.
Another group called “Color of Change” has disclosed on its website how it spent $212,000 raised for the Jena 6 defendants. But as Witt noted:
Exactly how much money has been collected for the Jena 6 defendants is impossible to know, because many donors did not go through Color of Change, the NAACP or other mainstream groups and instead contributed directly to the defendants’ families. Many Internet operators raised money by selling T-shirts or otherwise invoking the Jena 6 cause, but much of that money disappeared without a trace.
As I reported last week, shakedown leader Al Sharpton will be leading a Jena 6-inspired march around the Justice Department in Washington on Nov. 16.
The hustling continues…
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30pcs,
Where exactly did you “unspin” my spin?
You are being a little dishonest. If they were charged with assault rather than attempted murder, do you believe this case would have been as big as it was, or big at all?
You cannot honestly say that it would have been. It wasn’t the fact that they went to jail. It was the fact that they were charged with attempted murder on a kid that spent 2 hours at the hospital. They were charged with attempted murder for using their shoes rather than taking them off.
So people gave them money, just like they gave money to the little girl that fell in the well.
This tread isn’t about ALL black people just the Jena 6.
But since you’ve mentioned them, I’ll bite. Are they innocent of their crimes or are you saying that the punishment far outweighs the crime. Well, if only they could just stop breaking the law. Wouldn’t all their problems go away. Or are you of the mind that “the white man” is somehow holding them down?
I tell you what, I grew up, “in the hood” I have seen firsthand the mentality. So before you go making victims of them all I would suggest you offer up them this advice – “Stop breaking the law, a–hole!”
From a favorite movie of mine: Liar, Liar.
Ajmontana,
Please feel free to enlighten me, or are you comfortable simply calling me names?
travis, what?? What’s your point?
30pcs,
This thread isn’t about all black people? Could have fooled me.
You’re logic is interesting. We need not worry about any problem with the justice system because if people would simply stop committing crimes, they would never have to encounter it. That’s very true. So basically you’re saying that we can fix the problem by avoiding it. “Allllrighty then!”
Who said anything about white men holding anyone down? You may be projecting here.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here.
I’ve taken this thread a little off topic and for that, I apologize.
Back to the original issue, I’m not sure who exactly would even be able to investigate where they spent their money. Is there a criminal offense occurring? I’m asking.
mpchops, are you serious? Al and Jesse were all over this case just as they were all over the Don Imus gaffe and the Duke rape case, just to name a few. Wherever they are you can rest assured that any “case would have been as big as it was, or big at all?”
No one here is disputing the charge of attempted murder against one of them as reasonable.
Just as people are free to give them money for their defense, aren’t we free to discuss when said money hasn’t been used for their defense?
“No one here is disputing the charge of attempted murder against one of them as reasonable. ”
I don’t know 30, if some group of six people was kicking me in the head i might reasonably assume they wanted to make me dead…
just sayin’
mschop,
Comparing the jena six figures funds to World Trade Center families is ignorant.
(end)
30pcs,
You are incorrect. The attack happened in December of 2006. Jesse Jackson et al didn’t get involved until around September of this year. It was a small local event until around that time.
Obviously you’re free to discuss the use of the money. But do we really need to throw around the term “race-hustling” in this discussion? What does that have to do with how they spent the money(that they didn’t even ask for, for all that).
I think we’re also losing perspective. Why these kids may have been giving a whole bunch of cash is questionable, but are we really going to criticize them about how teenage boys are spending it? They’re teenagers who didn’t have any money who suddenly do. What exactly is everyone expecting? Hell, we have adults buying ice statues that piss vodka!
ajmontana,
Ah, so basically you just substituted ignorant into my point. Thanks for the explanation.
Well at least they keeping it in the hood.
mpChops–
Your way off target with all of your points. Its hard to even read them. The bottom line is that these
teenagerscommitted a brutal crime and then received money for it that was supposed to be used for their defense because their families have no money to pay lawyers. Now, besides the fact that i think its DISGUSTING that anybody donated a dime to these creeps (yes, because they are criminals) I think its even more disgusting that now these “kids” are squandering this money on who knows what. THATS THE POINT HERE. These INDIVIDUALS are LIARS AND MANIPULATORS. If you cant see that, then you arent much better than those sorry creeps.Not to mention, their families and parents should be keeping an eye on the money and not just handing it over to those boys. Ah, yes, but those parents are also not really what i would call upstanding citizens.
Smurf,
No, you are incorrect. They did not receive money for committing a crime. That’s simply untrue. Even you admit to it. In the very next sentence, you say that they received the money to be used for their defense. So already you have to conflicting points. Either they A) received money because they committed a crime or B) received money for the defense of the charges against them.
So before I even attempt the read the rest of your post, which one is it? A or B?
HELLO…I said that this money was used for the DEFENSE!!!! And thats all i said.
“The bottom line is that these teenagers committed a brutal crime and then received money for it that was supposed to be used for their defense because their families have no money to pay lawyers.”
The part that is disgusting, is that they are using it for their own fun and so on. How am i contradicting myself?? Read what i wrote again.
Smurf,
My bad. I completely misread your post. You did say it was for the defense.
Well, mpChops, let’s have a look at your logic.
You accept the premise given.
Then you leap to conjecture that 30pcs is saying “we can fix the problem by avoiding it.”
I won’t dispute the conviction rates and the abysmal conditions from which black criminality arises. There is much work to be done.
But here, in this forum, the onus is on you to stick to the knitting and lay out some kind of coherent analysis of the problem(s) that you are identifying.
Coaching young black men in neighborhoods across America to not commit crimes- petty and otherwise- is a consistent purpose among organizers and youth advocates.
It is a foundational message that is supported by alternatives shown by advocates to the kids, so it becomes clear that crime isn’t worth the fast buck and jail time.
30pcs is not so far off the mark in that respect. Sometimes we use a political shorthand here. If you want to take exception to it, then you have to remain clear about what you “think” other people are saying here.
Aren’t you curious about what 30pcs meant? The least bit curious?
I get what he is saying because my own father, who grew up poor and in some of the worst barrios in 1940s and 50s California, gave me his two words of advice that I still remember to this day
“Avoid Jail”.
That vaguely resembles 30 pcs comment, doesn’t it. Worked for me and it is working today for the millions of young Americans growing up in war zones in cities across the country.
Simple. Effective. But one has to have the ears to hear it.
Remember what Neely Fuller Jr. said (even if you don’t agree with most of what else he says)” The less you know about racism- what it is and how it works- everything else you think you kow will only confuse you.”
I’d be the last person on the planet to say that Americans who are racialized as black do not deserve equal protection under the law. But in advocating on their behalf, I know full well going in that I must not tell other people what they are saying about things related in order to build my argument.
Simply wrong.
I’m curious if you are willing to do the heavy lifting here and maintain the necessary discipline to make the argument you are attempting to make.
Going to a meeting now. Will catch up when I get back.
mpchops, #102. I had a long drawn out response for your post. But then I realized that we aren’t even operating from the same premise. You think these boys are something to be pitied, I do not. That’s it.
max, fair enough. Just sayin’ that the charge has been reduced. I too would feel the same way. But it is true that, we weren’t disputing the charge. We were discussing the money.
Bear1909, shines once again. Thank you for understanding what I meant. If only I could explain my own position so well.
30pcs,
I have never said or implied that these kids should be pitied. I did say that they didn’t deserve the money.
Bear1909,
You wrote a great response that completely ignores my point.
Avoiding a problem is not fixing the problem.
The problem I brought up was the inequality in the justice system. The solutions you are discussing are ones that may reduce the crime rate among blacks, but it does nothing to fix the inequality of the justice system, which was demonstrated with this case.
Again, you create a great argument for improving the black community and one that I agree with. However, that doesn’t address my points on the justice system.
You say that 30pcs isn’t saying that we should avoid it, but then you go on to say “Avoid Jail”. How does that address the problem with the justice system at all?
It doesn’t. Your father was rightly instructing you to “avoid” the problem. If you avoid jail, there is no way that you can be effected by the issues that plague it. Fine. I agree with that. But again, that says nothing to the issues that plague it.
Youre point was well written, but in context is reduced to little more than a red herring.
When they decided to take themselves public, appear on BET as presentors with an all-expense paid trip to the show, play the race and victim card, they became fair game. All this caterwauling about how we, as private citizens, are not allowed to question any fraudulent use of the monies people, probably in many cases people who could ill afford it, donated to their “cause” of being allowed to beat a single person near to death in a gang-style attack which had NOTHING to do with these supposed nooses, is by far some of the worst things I have seen on here. While you Liberals go on and on about how people tell you to shut up all the time, it isn’t hard to notice how you jump on every chance you can to stifle any and all criticism of your actions. Well, swallow it.
These criminals are on-line, on TV, in the press touting their “Thug Lyf” while rubbing people’s noses in it. The producers of BET are on record as saying that they gave these criminal thugs’ families all expense paid trips in luxury because these poor souls “deserved” to get away and relax.
Well where is your self-righteous outrage over the fact that these thugs are, essentially, being REWARDED for committing a most heinous act? Where are all your marches, speeches, protests over this glamorization of perceived “Vigilante Justice”, where some poor, solo individual can be picked out due to his vulnerability, beaten andkicked half-to-death, not even having been involved in anything and then the creeps who commit this heinous act are then making videos of themselves flashing gang sign, showing all their new bling etc., while the REAL victims get nothing and sit now in fear for the rest of their lives, dealing with PTSD?
Shame on you. Shame on all of you that are “supporting” these creatures, sub-human animals who only know how to deal in violence and blame.
Great, so there is 250,000 bucks from ONE organization. What about the rest? What about the solo donors, the trips, the gifts etc.?
Rewarding crime and violence is just sick. Defending the practice is even worse, and your lack of morality and knowledge of right and wrong is a sure sign that you would rather encourage the wrong, the violence etc., than actually seek the good, the right and the justice.
Shame on you, and your own very blatant racism.
But seriously, only in America can a group play the victim card and look so ridiculous. Yeah, we should watch out for the rash of gang beatings to come because of this. Everyone gets paid when a white person’s the victim! Just ask those guys sitting in prison. The ones that are 4 times more likely to be convicted when the victim is white than when the victim is black. Those guys.
that should read ethos
Black on black crime is rampant “in the hood” and the fact that black men are more likely to be convicted after assaulting a white person has more to do with street code of ethics (no snitching)than it does the judicial system.
This is how the above post should have read.
RetFireman,
Your post was seriously amazing. Thank you for totally bringing the point home in such an eloquent manner.
Yeah, mpChops was pretty much just pulling his “facts” outta the backside there, 30Silver.
mpChops other out-of-touch with reality items would be funny if they weren’t so tragic: e.g.
Some of us were already aware of it.
Boy Beaten
It’s a sad commentary on the Democrats & liberals that they cannot bring themselves to denounce such attacks, but instead offer excuses for the criminals.
We have to always remember that Democrats/liberals do not reason, they can only offer emotional explosions. This is obvious from mpChops deranged attack on our troops as “shooting brown-skins” and the usual psychotic BDS “Blackwater” lunatic rantings. Pure emotionalism. He is unable to follow a thoughtline of crime and punishment (or in this case “crime and half a mill reward”) without becoming totally mentally derailed and flying uncontrollably of the cliff. This is typical for almost every Dem/Lib.
Had these thugs been put in prison for any one of their previous assaults or other crimes they would not have been out in the street to stage this latest one, much less be so richly rewarded for commiting the assault.
Thanks purple! Nice summation.
I’m amazed at the fools who think the Jena 6 acted appropriately. This has gone from 6 people who were getting too harsh of a sentence for doing something wrong to all of a sudden they’re heroes who didn’t do anything wrong. They attacked someone people! Sorry, but their retaliation was not the proper way to handle this problem and that has nothing to do with race.
retfireman-
Thank you for pointing out what so many non-blacks in the south have been saying for awhile regarding the rewarding of thuggery.
BTW-Have you considered posting a blog? I would definately consider reading it.
GSP
RetFireman,
I’m not sure if you understand what Racism is. Apparently you do not, as you through it around as liberally as the “race-hustlers” you criticize.
Please show me where I defended these kids. Please show me where I have supported their going on to BET and the likes. If you want to right a response to something that I have said, go for it. If you want to right a response to “Liberal #1″, fine, but leave me out of it.
Again, I understand that you’re emotional about this. But you are letting your emotions get well in the way of clear judgment and, to be honest, the truth(”being allowed to beat a single person near to death”).
Feel free to quote something I have said and respond to that, but please don’t include me in your all-purpose rant.
Nice try. In the lives of people who are most impacted by the system it addresses them just fine. This is lost on you. There are many success stories where those of us who stayed out of jail and/or prison have had a positive impact on the system.
But you have reduced our experience to mere words that don’t fit into your polemic about the “problems that plague the system.”
And, what is worse, you demonstrate little curiosity as to why we are taking issue with your approach, your method of argumentation, etc.
We know something you don’t know. If you did, then you’d be coming down off your hill that you are defending to find out what some of us know.
What’s up with that?
Again, stick to the argument that you attack first. Don’t attack and then switch the argument about “the problems that plague the system.”
That’s Barbara Streisand.
“Avoid jail” and other *strategies* (because these are not just words) deprive profiteers who run prisons and jails of *inventory*, namely prisoners.
THAT is the single best strategy for reducing crime and addressing the *impact* of the criminal justice and law enforcement systems on the lives of human beings who represent the majority of the incarcerated.
“Avoid Jail” does not imply a denial in any form. But you twist it to suit your purposes and then call it a red herring.
You cannot attack an argument by substituting your interpretations for the argument you attack, and then switch the argument.
30 pcs and I do not say “Avoid” in the context you assign to it, and then use that assignment to try and prove your point.
You lack context about what we said, are saying, have lived, and what I continue to do in advocacy work I do on reservations.
Keeping people out of the “justice system” as you call it, is not “avoiding” the problems inherent to it.
No sir. Flat wrong on your part.
First and foremost, in this social triage effort to reduce youth incarceration and recidivism, is to work with young minds to unlearn an old response and to learn a different response to the criminality that is being rewarded on different levels of society.
Now, can you stick to the argument specifically presented and demonstrate that you grasp it?
The little girl that fell in the well wasn’t committing a crime at the time. If the money for the Jena Six Figures (thanks aj) was for their legal bills, their lawyers should get it. Otherwise, it’s payment for a crime.
msChops: you have been defending the behavior of the boys using relative arguments about money being used for vodka leaking ice sculptures, etc. etc.
You got nailed. Deal with it. You are arguing from a very liberal vantage point.
BTW, you show little working acumen re racism, what it is, how it works, and how to define it in a way that gives people a way to discuss it gainfully.
Please stop saying “in the hood”. I have no idea who you’re quoting, since you were the first person to say it. And you can’t quote yourself.
However, you point doesn’t hold. The arrest rate for blacks and whites, as perps, is roughly the same. It’s the conviction rate where one sees the most difference, particularly when looked at in conjunction with the race of the victim. If the stop-snitching mindset held, the conviction rate would be lower with blacks but that is not the case.
Or to put it another way using your premise, blacks aren’t snitching and they’re still getting convicted much more.
Purplepeep,
I have already denounced the attack. I will not do it every time someone new comes into the discussion.
Your post is empty of thought and full of vitriol. Good job representing your side.
Perhaps it isn’t so much defending, msChops as much as it is deflecting criticisms about the misuse of funds.
First, you offer an unproven assertion. Where’s the beef?
Then, a flip retort couched in false positive language. Purpose? A zinger? What does this indicate? Are you losing ground?
Argue your points, Man. You’re here trying to do something. Can’t you at least include that in your agenda?
If peeps had written something like that about something I’d written or the way I was arguing, then it would be best for me to refute him.
Do it. Or step down.
You are being associated, by virtue of your dancesteps, with liberal BDS’ers.
The Blackwater comment and “brown skins” (whomever they are) need some shoring up.
Do it or step off. Fair enough?
Bear1909,
In one concise paragraph, please explain to me how this statement is true:
I am assuming with “system”, you are referring to the justice system.
Bear, I get what you’re saying but it’s simply misguided. You’re still not addressing my point. You keep attempting to expand the scope.
Bear,
Wow. From you? Really? You have placed many words on the screen but have yet to address my point.
Listen, it’s simple:
Is the justice system fair to the members of society that go through it?
If no, how do we address that?
You’re answer to the second question is that we work with those who may go through that to help them avoid involvment with it, but that does not address how we create a fair system. That only addresses how we prevent people from being unfairly treated.
The usual gang of idiots and race baiters (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP) come crawling out from under their rocks at the mere whiff of a “hate crime” , only against blacks, of course. The fact remains that the six ‘gangsta’ thugs targeted Justin Barker for his skin color. Not only that, but they are profiting from their crimes and the ensuing misplaced outrage from the moonbats in the black community. They bring alot of ‘racism’ on themselves.
Hey Chops. I’ll do just fine without your directives. If you can’t read and argue then there isn’t much use trying to engage you. We’re dealing with all the gas you’re throwing up here, so return the favor. I wouldn’t have to “expand” if you’d ask some simple questions of us to find out what we mean before you switch the argument.
Does the criminal justice system have problems? omg! what a deep question. wow. what is the answer. uh, yes it does!
Here’s a deeper question for you: What is msChops doing about it except gassing in a liberal way about it?
more on your need for explanation of my experience in a moment. i have to return a phone call.
and once i share, then you can start talking about what you’re doing.
mpchops:
Childish. But I’ll address it. No, I will not stop saying “in the hood”, I will not stop using quotations and I am not quoting myself.
I don’t know how else to present my point but here it goes – you said:
I said:
You replied:
Your argument compared the convictions of black on white crime with black on black crime. You claim that blacks are “4 times more likely to be convicted when the victim is white than when the victim is black.”
My rebuttal, if a white person is assaulted by anyone they tend to bring that person to justice. If a black person is assaulted by another black person and they reside “in the hood” which is shorthand/ghetto slang for neighborhood, they are bound by the “no snitching” rule and no charges as brought forth. Therefore, and it brings me back to your initial statement of 4 times more likely to be convicted when the victim is white than when the victim is black, the rate of convictions surrounding when the victim is black would rise. Thereby negating your whole argument.
While you’re busy commenting on the quality of your opponents’ arguments and calling for brevity, why don’t you take a stab at proving the above.
I find it interesting that you are not only a know-it-all; but, that you read minds too.
How do you know why people gave money to these kids?
Bear,
I realize now that you were attempting to change the debate all along. You want me to ask what you “mean” so you can say that the problem doesn’t lie in the justice system at all, and all one has to do to avoid the any phantom problems of the justice system is change their lifestyle.
Fine. Make your speech. I’ll applaud at the end. But do not try to act like i have changed my position or changed the direction of this argument. From 30pcs statement in #99,
, I’ve been focusing on the idea that yes, obviously they wouldn’t have to deal with the broken system if they didn’t break the law.
That point is so clear that it need not be addressed. There is no debate there. However, I say again, “not breaking the law” does not address the inequalities which occur when one does break the law.
I read minds.
Bear,
Why did they get money?
30pc and McChops are both correct to a certain extent. As a criminal defense attorney living in Florida, I can see first hand how blacks and whites are sometimes treated differently in the criminal justice system. It’s an open secret that some some white judges will sentence a black defendant more harshly than whites who are similarly situated. This is certainly an issue in central and northern Florida, and some conservative defense attorneys down here will attest to the trend. Anyone who denies that there is occasionally racisim in the criminal justice system is either a liar or willfully ignorant. Some people underestimate the power judges and prosecutors have, and the fact is some of them are racist.
Also, the whole “stop snitchen” campaign is appalling. Black people are more often than not the victims of violent crime by other black people. Cooperation “in the hood” and taking ownership of negative aspects of your surrounding community could go a long way in curbing violent crime.
IMO, they got the money b/c a bunch of dopes, others that think like these individuals, and/or liberals think they should have received help for their defense. A lot of ppl who cant afford defense attorneys are just appointed to them by the court and get legal aides, instead, these ppl made public outcries for help and so on. I think the whole thing is ludicrous and could have been avoided if they hadn’t received any money.
msChops: it is simple only to simple minds.
you might have the luxury of sitting back and asking the question in pursuit of an IDEAL.
What some of us are doing has to do with helping families and communities TODAY, given the fact that the system you BELIEVE can be changed-intrinsically- as a social institution is, by design, set up to conserve itself, not eradicate problems and inequities.
Address that.
The IDEAL according to liberal beliefs that you hold vs. reducing our participation in the system…privilege vs. reality.
Step to that. Address that.
Your question- that you believe I am not answering, is moot and academic.
When was the last time you sat down with a circle of familiess to do a “foot identification” exercise and find out how and why they are getting their butts kicked by law enforcement and the courts?
What do you know about any of this that is real?
I suspect, not much.
If you did, you’d recognize what I am doing in this discussion. Your question is irrelevant to the lives of those most affected- and this doesn’t just mean the incarcerated. Families. Communities.
All of this is lost on you because we won’t engage your petty and irrelevant question on your terms.
Liberals are always talking about how unfair systems are. Yet, they themselves know nothing and do nothing about the people who are at the mercy of those systems. Like you are doing now.
Look- it’s simple: an experienced advocate for families affected by juvenile justice systems and criminal justice systems says to you- “we are not involving ourselves in how to create a fair criminal justice system. We are involved in helping families strengthen their family system to stay out of the system first and foremost, because TODAY that is what is happening to us. Right here. Right now.”
Your reply is to insist that we are not addressing your question.
Oh really? What if our efforts are in partnership with law enforcement and the courst to keep Indian youth out of the system? What if the system is acting judiciously and fairly in partnership with us?
Don’t you think it might have occurred to us to ask that same question you are beating to death in this discussion- and then get off our butts and do something about it?
But this is never enough for liberal do-gooders who must go up the mountain and read some ACLU literature and proclaim the system is unfair and must be RE-CREATED!!!!!!
At whose expense? So you can be right? Who dies first, msChops?
Which of the 17 youth that I mentor do I let go of to go to endless meetings somewhere to create a justice system that is “fair”?
They got the money because it was sent to them or to an organization affiliated with their cause.
What is lost on you, mtChops, is that people donated money for as many reasons as there are hairs on your head.
I can generalize. But it doesn’t explain peoples motivations for donating.
Which question has greater value?
Not quite.
Don’t clap. You are not a trained seal. Use the energy to think.
You aren’t reading closely enough to debate.
It’s always enjoyable watching Bear effectively smack down incoherent and idiotic arguments.
Wow…how heavy is that ego of yours? Have you always had this persecution complex? Or is it something new you are working on? Do you really feel that I was speaking directly to you? As I recall, I did not use your name in my post, therefore, your automtic defensive posture speaks louder than anything I could possibly “quote” you on.
Do you really feel I know nothing of racism? How can you come to that conclusion? I also do not recall ever stating what my race was, therefore, how can you make such a statement? Or is it you feel that the only people capable of racism are Whites? That conclusion itself reeks of ignorance, stupidity, bias and, yes, blatant racism. It seems to me, especially in reading your long, drawn out, rambling posts where you do the stereo-typical Liberal thing of spinning and spinning until your original point is completely lost, that it is you who is completely unfamiliar what the term “racism” means. In fact, you have followed the Liberal guideline to discussion and debate so well, I am waiting for a “Bush sucks” out of you at any moment.
I hate to break it to you, but he arrest record between whites and blacks are not on par with each other. If you look at the percentage of whites in this country, then look at the percentage of blacks in this country, compare that with the arrest and crime stats, you will see that you are way off. Now, why is that? Is it because of racist cops? Racist laws? Your answer to this question would also speak volumes about your understanding of the term.
I challenge you to please, point out anything I stated that was off base as far as what racism is? Please, tell the class just where I was so emotional and did not present factual basis in what I stated?
Now, tell me why you feel I am lost in emotion on this issue? Is it because I am clearly pointing out what is going on and it is you that has confused the term “racist”? Show me where I have thrown the term around excessively? I gave an exact reason for using the term. I gave an exact reason as to why Liberals are racist. Can you tell me where I was mistaken?
Now, as for another example of racism. Let’s take your average white American. Let’s have him walk through the Chicago, Indianapolis, Los Angeles or (name your city here) projects. What do you think will occur? Tell the class WHY you think this would occur?
Now, reverse that thought. Take your average American black man. Send him through a vast majority white area of your choosing in any of those major cities. What do you think would happen. tell the class WHY you think that would happen.
Your answers will be very telling. Just as how you, instead of giving examples of what I wrote to back up what you stated concening my posts and instead, making a generalized atttack trying to discredit it, was very telling and actually did nothing but prove exactly what it was I, and bear and a few others, have been saying.
I anxiously look forward to you addressing each and every one of my questions.
Gee – and I wasn’t even talkin’ to the lad there, bear! Though I did point out to another the fact he’s drawing soley from emotionalism, not reason.
The tirade about American troops “killing brown skins” lends a hint as to his state of mind and displays what he wishes this topic were about instead of the gift of $500grand for kickin a victim into unconscienceness.
Obviously the lad really doesn’t like being dragged to topic-ness, kicking and screaming “Bush-Hitler! Brown people!!” all the way
MuttonChops wins Troll of the day!
Very painful and agonizing posts to read but very enjoyable to read the beatdown afterwards by Bear and company.
Ditkaca- What is his prize?
he gets the coveted “IGNORE” award
I guess what I find so disheartening is that the money didn’t go into making them better people, but went into making them think they were better than who they are.
It’s just sad to see so much potential go to so much waste. This speaks volumes of the character of the kids as well as their parents. But then what was I expecting, these 6 didn’t get this money after beating a kid in the school science fair.
Let them spend their money inappropriately.
People will then learn not to donate idiotically.