Car wars
A sanctimonious liberal (redundancy alert!) blogger excoriates various conservatives who all presumably own massive, gas-guzzling vehicles like the Ford F-150:
As the American economy falls to pieces, oil is hovering in the $100 per barrel range and gas prices are a few days away from shattering all-time high records. Forecasters are predicting that gas will surpass $3.22 per gallon by next week. Mad Money’s Jim Cramer told Chris Matthews last week that gas prices might top $4 per gallon within the next six weeks.
Even with this brutal economic news to serve as an incentive, will Michelle Malkin, Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh and their ilk sacrifice for the war effort by purchasing less Islamofascist gasoline for their Ford F-150 Microphalluses? No way. Too moonbatty. Devising new and hilariously clever agitprop words like “Defeatocrats” is clearly more patriotic than actually addressing the principle source of global and domestic instability: oil and gasoline.
The blogger, one Bob Cesca, published his post at the Huffington Post, founded by the Queen of gas-guzzling Gulfstream Liberals, Arianna Huffington. Yes, the same Arianna Huffington who was caught driving this Chevy Suburban beauty to get to the Sierra Club’s national summit in San Francisco a few years ago:
The HuffMobile
Time and again, the Left paints a bogus caricature of conservatives destroying the environment with awful SUVs while they tool around in…awful SUVs.
I drive a minivan and a Subaru wagon.
The government-subsidized, Bush-bashing Frost family drives:
a Volvo SUV…
a GMC Suburban…
and a nice, big Ford F250 Pickup work truck…
Tell you what, Bob Cesca. When Arianna swears off all private jet travel and the Frosts cram their kids into a Prius, I’ll buy a scooter.
Until then, take your eco-sanctimony and drive it off a Malibu cliff.
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Ouch that’s gonna leave a mark!
awesome MM!
…or if he is into walking, he can take a long walk off a short pier.
I am to guess that I would be one of your “ilk” and guess what I am not swearing off anything until the Reverend Al Gore gets rid of his house get’s off the gulfstreams and gets rid of his SUV’s.
I will not be treated like a child and told to “do as I say not as I do”…freakin hypocrites.
Larry King asked Al Gore what kind of car he drives. Mr. Gore answered by saying he drove a “Lexus hybrid”. I found the NY Times review of the Lexus hybrid from about a year or so ago and the Times review said the Lexus hybrid is a gas guzzler that gets terrible mileage and has no savings over the nonhybrid Lexus. The NY Times review also said that the Lexus hybrid is absurdly expensive and a waste of money and that nobody should consider the Lexus hybrid a “green car”. So when the MSM is busy canonizing Mr. Gore, why doesn’t anybody ask him why he does not drive a Prius?
And um…what kind of car does Bob Cesca drive? Anyone know?
Obviously, he loaned it to his doper son to drive, at 100 mph.
Proud owner of an F-150 SuperCrew!!!
Will volunteer to drive Mr. Cesca’s sanctimony to said Malibu cliff :))
I routinely see all sorts of moonbat’ favored bumper stickers on HUGE FREAKING SUVs and other gas guzzling vehicles. Here in Boulder, CO there abounds a very healthy population of liberal (sanctimonious, hypocritical and lazy)
Michelle, Amen!!! When they all start ‘changing’ their lifestyles, instead of telling everyone else how to, then maybe I’ll listen. Hear that Goreical?
#2 Zorro:
“…or if he is into walking, he can take a long walk off a short pier.”
Agree, and LOL!
My Dad’s cousin, from New York, used to say that to me back in the early 60s, when I was an annoying little kid, and would pester him.
Another one of his “suggestions”:
“Hey kid, go play lose me!”
I have seen a study that indicates that conservatives over 40 (maybe 50) years of age are far more likely to drive a Prius than their young liberal counterparts. While I believe that global warming is propaganda, I am a conservative who believes in saving natural resources when I can. (The liberals love to yell about things that other people should do.)
I drive a 4Runner. She gets pretty thirsty. But she’s mine and I ain’t give her up for nobody. Especially, since I have some two-faced hypocrite trying to tell me how I should live my life.
I guess if you don’t believe in a Creator the creation becomes your God.
He’s got the whole world in his hands.
If He wants to wipe us from the face of the earth. No amount of carbon credits will do…
The democrat projection party.
Nice smack down on the Frost’s. Once again we see that it is all Bush’s fault that these people couldn’t afford insurance because the three cars they have were not mandated to have higher gas mileage.
All of this enviro-friendly-stop-global warming-conserve to a better world-green peace nonsense can be summed up thusly. The playing field must be “leveled” and the US economy needs to be slowed down so that the countries of the world can catch up.We should be ashamed that we are 5% of the population and we use the largest amount of resources available.We need only look over our shoulder to see China and India coming on. I’ve told my global warming climate change friends to go to India or China and try to convince them that they are causing doomsday. There are some very smart people in those countries. Let’s see if they buy into it.
right on point, jaded but these hypocrites don’t see themselves as such. Even if they do drive “evil SUVs” it’s ok because they care about the earth and we conservatives don’t. Blech!
Just wondering what the blogger was referring to when he said that our economy was “falling to pieces” ?
Snorty-snort-snort.
Soap translation: I need a vent fix.
Thanks for the link to an oldie but goodie vent. Still relevant today.
Gas prices will get to $3.22 by next week. Already there in California.
I bet these losers are so proud of themselves. Heck, I was forced to get a smog check in order to get my tags renewed (because these nuts) and it cost $50 and change. Problem???? I got it down the week the fires started here in So. Cal so all their efforts went up in smoke. I should get a refund.
1. I think the weird nicknames devised by conservatives on this site is incredibly annoying. I get “cRusty” and “Randy” an awful lot. “Dhimmicrats” and “Defeatocrats” are also obnoxious. I mean, attack my ideas and thoughts without resorting to silly name calling.
2. Regardless of what Al Gore and Arianna Huffington drive, Cesca is right in that conserving gas is truly patriotic. Whether it’s buying a car with good gas mileage or walking the half-mile to the corner store instead of driving, conservation by millions of Americans would make us less dependent on non-friendly countries like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.
Unfortunately, I think that Americans, both liberal and conservative, are too stuck in their habits to make any sort of change.
So, yeah, the Cesca thing being on the Huffington Post is certainly rich in irony. And targeting conservatives strikes me as silly. But his point about gas consumption is right on.
Honestly, Michelle, don’t you understand that liberals are SPECIAL. They don’t have to follow the rules they espouse because they CARE more than the rest of us do. They are more CONCERNED than the rest of us. They want to HELP people, while the rest of us are just greedy, selfish consumers. Yes, they may drive big Suburbans, but they drive them to IMPORTANT events where they talk about how concerned they are and how much they care. They have no intention of adopting the green lifestyles they espouse because they have “caring offsets.”
They want credit for their empty rhetoric, dammit, and they want it right now.
$3.25 right now right down the street… $55.25 to fill-er up. Thank goodness for golf carts.
I love the sanctimonious liberals telling us how to control our consumption when they drive the most fuel inefficient vehicles their money can buy. For the record our household drives a Nissan X-terra (for me to make the 12 miles one way to the base, which is 10 miles from the city limits) and Sentra (for the wife to commute 3 miles one way to her job). Yes the X-terra has actually been driven off paved roads. You should have seen the gas guzzlers the liberals in Ketchum and Sun Valley drive around town (lots of Hummers).
“Until then, take your eco-sanctimony and drive it off a Malibu cliff.”
Exactly …
Done. Not down
I won’t take the too easy opportunity to point out the Global Warming hypocrisy of former Vice President Al Gore’s son being whisked away from jail in the back seat of a Maserati Quattraporte, the $116,500+ four-door luxury sports sedan produced by one of Italy’s storied sports car makers. (Oops, guess I just did).
Anyway, what makes me mad is young Gore didn’t buckle up before his sister punched the gas pedal and made that lovely piece of Italian go-fast machinery produce the glorious sound of that 4.2 liter DOHC 400 horsepower V-8 under its hood! You can view the video here and listen for yourself.
By the way, the EPA numbers for the Quattroporte are 13 mpg city and 18 mph highway, which isn’t bad for a highly stressed, sophisticated powerplant. Don’t know what the carbon footprint is, but I guess it’s an environmental equivalent of an Italian boot, made of the finest leathers, of course.
Chevy Chase pulled the same crap. Deriding the evil GOPers and their SUV’s, until it was revealed that among the many cars he owned one was an SUV.
He said HE needed his for his children’s outings with friends.
Didn’t John Kerry have a caravan of SUV’s too?
What kind of engine does the short bus, that the libs ride in, have?
Soap drives an Eco P-up. Ranger that is green (because it just is that color). 22mpg in town.
What does Rusty drive?
BTW, the HuffPoHo’s are still practicing their liberal opinion policing and eliminating anything that even suggests that they’re being hypocritical.
Sorry, Rusty, but we conservatives are always said to have no sense of humor.
I’ve personally never referred to you as “crusty”.
One of many things that bothers me is liberal enviromentalists assume that conservatives don’t try to conserve gas or care about the environment at all. Then you find out that these same people criticizing conservatives actually do all of the things which they originally criticized conservatives for in the first place.
What a joke.
Conserving gas, patriotic? Paaaallluuueeeeaaaasseeee.
Rusty did blather:
Trust me… It beats use actually saying what we’re thinking in our heads. Suck it up. Besides, most of us really don’t care if we’ve hurt your feelings. Try getting called a Nazi a couple of times a week, and then come whine, ok?
I’m not sure about”patriotic”, but it does make good sense economically. Hoever, to attack us for what we drive when they are drving the samn damned things is the literal definition of hypocracy. It really should stop. It makes your side look amazingly stupid.
Though I will ask, if that’s what the ol’ Huffster drove a few years ago, what is she driving now? for all we know she could freaking bike everywhere…
Not likely, but it’s a point that should be considered.
Here, go after John Travolta first and then, give conservatives a call!
707
“Microphallus”?
My Chevy 3500 is called a lot of things, but micro isn’t in any of them.
For the record I carpool in a minivan.
???!!!
It seems to be doing quite well except on Planet Liberal. I wonder where he bases his belief that “our economy is falling to pieces.”
In any case, liberal Democrats are the WORST on the environment, especially at the local level, because they so badly want tax revenue at any cost. In Fairfax County, VA liberal politicians try to get as much high density development as they can for more tax revenue. So entire wooded tracts are cut down and rezoned for more tax revenue. Older neighborhoods with huge trees are cleared for new high density development with no trees at all. But if they buy Toyota Priuses for the County, then they think they are “environmentalists.”
LINK
And this is always a romp…Zombie Time’s A cavalcade of gas-guzzling contemporary automobiles with
hypocritical bumper stickers (with a whole lot of pictures)
Based on the number of SUV’s on the roads here in Seattle, this must be Bush Country.
Sod off swampy…
Hey, Gabe, don’t worry. Since conservatives drive all those big vehicles around, and not liberals, we’ve got it made in Fairfax County. Those type of vehicles are all over the place here….and around the beltway. We should be okay as a “red state”.
My carbon footprint must be HUGE with a full-size Bronco & an F-150. They are both late 90’s models so you know they aren’t fuel efficient. One of the reasons we have these trucks is just to tick people off. I’m not sure which one is the “Microphallus” edition though :/
I’m not sure about”patriotic”, but it does make good sense economically. Hoever, to attack us for what we drive when they are drving the samn damned things is the literal definition of hypocracy. It really should stop. It makes your side look amazingly stupid.
Rusty, Newt Gingrich is a conservative with his own plan on the enviro, can you explain why the MSM ignores it?
But…but…but…I thought the Iraq war was a war for oil? Doesn’t that mean we - and not the Islamofacists (funny to hear a liberal use that word, I thought it was un-PC) - own the oil?
So what is it:
Either we fought the war to take the oil, or buying gas supports the “Islamofacists”?
For the party that’s all about “rights” and “individual liberties” and “privacy”, they sure have no problem sticking their noses into issues that don’t concern them.
Memo to all liberals and environmentalists:
I’m buying a Saturn Vue next fall, to accomodate my growing family and provide saftey for that famliy while on the roads.
If you have a problem with that, I’d be more than happy to have you make payments on a hybrid or other eco-friendly car.
But until you start picking up the tab, please note that I don’t give a rat’s behind what you think about what we do with our money.
One more thing. Why aren’t liberals blaming Nancy Pelosi for the high gas prices? President Bush doesn’t make the laws; Congress does. Since liberals control both houses of Congress, it seems like they are the ones to blame for the high prices.
I apologize for all the formatting errors.
http://newt.org/AContractwiththeEarth/tabid/220/Default.aspx
See, Conservatives have a plan.
I love the vent:
Soap’s question:
During the summer - right?
I’ve never understood how and why conservatives let the environmental/conservation issue get away. Efficiency, asset preservation, good stewardship, conservation…these are all solid concepts that make perfect common sense and fit in nicely with the general notion of conservatism. An interesting alliance has developed recently between the generally conservative hooks and bullets crowd (my family) and the generally liberal eco crowd (also my family) with respect to efforts to conserve and maintain the environment.
Virginia is hilarious as a state. All the liberals in NOVA scream about global warming but the state taxes new cars at an extraordinary rate. The upshot is that the NOVA liberals drive junkers with bad gas mileage and polution.
I going to hand in my V-8 the same time I start having tofu for Thanksgiving.
So, Rusty, what do you drive?
Hmmm…to use moonbat rationale, I put my butt on the line to supposedly “fight for oil” in “wars for oil”, so I have no problem driving my big-ass F-150 (yes, I actually do own an F-150). The way I figure it, if my life was indeed placed on the line for the oil, I (and every other member of the military) can drive whatever I want to drive.
I love getting lectured at the pump, too. I can’t wait to flame spray a moonbat the next time it happens.
I will give up my incandescent light bulbs as soon as I give up my second amendment right.
Can’t it be both?
We don’t actually import a lot of oil from Iraq since their infrastructure is so shot. And even if we did, I certainly don’t want to pour any more money into Iraq than we already have. Does anyone honestly think Iraq will be all that stable or friendly in the future?
Englishqueen, my mom just bought a Saturn VUE. Personally, I hate it. She loves it. Of course I’m more concerned with the speaker system than anything else. You have much higher priorities than the maximum volume at which one can hear music.
I formatted this incorrectly last time so here it goes again:
I take the bus and I ride the subway. Anything shorter than 1.5 miles (assuming sobriety), I walk.
Conservation of non-renewable natural resources is a good thing, especially with the population of the U.S. exploding.
Population growth is a quadruple whammy on non-renewable natural resources: 1. The per capita slice of the natural resources pie decreases automatically with population, 2. The rate of depletion increases usually, 3. Cost rises, and 4. The resource may become unavailable domestically in the future, or even as an import.
I want to speak in defense of big US built automobiles. They give you comfort, safety, durability,reasonable economy and, if needed,you can haul six adults and a trunk full of junk.
I am in the oil business and drive 40-50,000 miles per year.I think of the F-150 as an all purpose economy truck. There are bigger F-trucks if you need em but I seldom do.
I am not a shill for Ford but I have driven Lincolns for thirty years for personal road and field use. You can cruise the highways at a high rate of noise in comfort all day at 24-27 mpg. When you leave the pavement, the rear wheel drive, fitted with studded snow tires, can bust snow drifts and negotiate muddy rutted lease roads right along with 4WD vehicles.
I have driven my last three Lincoln TC, 180,000, 418,000, 286,000(and still humming) miles. I had front end suspension re-built at around 200,000 on the last two but none required major mechanical repairs of engine or transmission.
What else can you ask of a car?
Sorry about my formatting. Let me format my question properly.
What kind of gas guzzling vehicle do you own that you can’t drive everywhere because you are trying to make us out as stupid(#41)?
*soap is guessing Navigator since he is not very forthcoming
He drives a Ford Excursion.
PB,
If that is true, I am going to wet myself from laughing!
For me, it’s not an issue that’s getting away, it’s about control.
I’m all for conservation. I turn the heat down significantly when we leave the house, my husband takes the bus to work, we moved to a neighborhood closer to our families (who watch our son) and near enough to my work that I walk (read: right across the street). We turn lights off in rooms we’re not using, and we only re-fuel our car about once every two weeks.
The difference is - *WE* made those choices. Independent of a mandate, a guilt tax, or windfall from Al Gore purchasing some carbon offsets.
With regards to efficiency, the technology implemented in the American industrial/manufacturing/power sector provides some of the CLEANEST energy and production in the world. And it will continue to do so, provided Kyoto - which would lead to millions of lost jobs and a trashed economy - is not ratified here (especially since some of the biggest polluters - China and India - are not bound by Kyoto at all).
And while we’re on the subject of energy - where’s the condemnation for the liberals, NIMBYs and BANANAs who work tireless to block the production of alternative energy sources? They oppose hydroelectric dams (might hurt the fish), wind power (might hurt the birds or block Ted Kennedy’s view of the ocean), and nuclear power (good enough for Europe, who we should emulate on all other fronts execpt nuclear power)
But I have a really big problem with celebrities who live in houses with bathrooms bigger than my apartment, money coming out of their rear ends, or liberals who are all for privacy (unless it’s an issue they dislike or disagree with) deciding THEY are the supreme deciders on what we do with the things we pay for - my home, my car, my food, etc.
Me, too. 9 mpg is out-effing-standing!
Soap, are you always such a horse’s ass or are you just having a bad day. Rusty, as usual really, is being civil and offering his opinions in a rational way, but you feel the need to be juvenile and really sort of silly. How old are you anyway?
BTW, us good conservatives like to be efficient and save money, so CFL bulbs are a no-brainer in that regard. Lots and lots of dough to be saved and made in the coming years in “going green”. You stick with what you know though soap.
You know, if these complainers would stop going 75-80 mph on the highways, which reduces mpg 25%, they might save some at the gas pump. Nothing seems sillier than seeing these big SUVs flying down the highway, switching lanes constantly and alternately hitting the brakes and accelerator just so they can get where they going faster so they can spend a few minutes extra time complaining about how high the gas prices are.
dakine,
yes
Oh, man, the Nantucket Sound wind project. Don’t even get me started.
I’m a native Cape Codder. I appreciate pretty ocean views. But Senator Kennedy and Representative Delahunt’s NIMBY positions on the proposed turbines are ridiculous. Wind power is clean and efficient. I would be proud to be from an area with turbines. It’s a shame their wealthy contributors (Nantucket Sound beachfront property is pricey) stand in the way.
Well Mr. Cesca,
I live in Texas, and I drive a car built by an American company. It is not a hybrid, but it was built here in the US by American workers.
My ride is a 4WD Ford F 250 Diesel crew cab. It has a couple hundred pound brush guard on the front so I can get to places where the deer and the antelope play. Those deer and antelope are delicious.
Now my truck does have a bit of an appetite, but it will protect me much better with its 8000 pounds in an accident than your under 2000 pound hybrid. So, while I will pay more for fuel, I am much safer than you will ever be in your car of choice.
Of course, I can haul all sorts of stuff on one trip, where your hybrid would take 20 or so trips to get the same thing done. Not very fuel efficient there, I guess.
And here in Texas, fuel is a bit cheaper. That’s because here and along the Gulf Coast we refine most of the oil that you refuse to refine in your area. You really don’t mind refineries, as long as they are not anywhere near you and someone else deals with the dirt. We also still drill quite a bit of oil here, again something that you wouldn’t want to pursue in your own backyard.
And watch out confusing patriotism with environmentalism. They are not they same and recently they seem to be at opposite ends of the spectrum. My guess is that you have never served a day in the military or other service that involved making a sacrifice for your country. Worshipping Al Gore as your new Budda is not patriotism. But you are certainly free to do that, because people like me preserved that freedom for people like you.
Stick to your hybrid, Mr. Cesca, eat your tofu and organic veggies and mind your own damn business. If you shut up, maybe we’ll get you some flyover cheese to go with your West Coast whine.
The International Energy Agency released two reports this week. One downgraded oil demand projections, because the price of oil had caused a drop in demand. The second reported that October 2007 was the highest ever oil production month on record. And that is why oil stocks have taken a tumble lately. I expect the price of oil to drop.
Oh, BTW Alphonse, the fertility of the US is just slightly below replacement level. It’s been below replacement for a few decades, now.
Dakine, I’m still waiting for Rusty to reply on Newt’s ideas regarding his Contract with the Earth. Maybe you can help him/her? Why does the MSM ignore it? You know (if you’re honest) if Gore’s name was on the same thing, it would be all over the place
I guess the joke is I secretly have an SUV? Nope. No automobile. I gave my old Plymouth Horizon to my younger brother when I moved to the city.
Sure DC actually has good public transportation. You’re welcome, glad to see my tax dollars at work. But many people don’t have that option.
It’s the hypocrisy that’s galling. And the assumption that conservatives hate the environment.
/OT Rant on
First I don’t think I have ever called you anything but “Rusty” … if I did I’ll apologize for that miscue …
Now … as for what I just quoted from your post …
All that is being done is taking the phrases “Dhimmitudinal Democrats” and “Defeat Invested Democrats” and merging them into a single term …
Now …
If you want to be offended by words … try being spit upon and called “baby killer” and “war monger” and a lot of other things I can not repeat here as many of us were called after Viet Nam …
Try being told by the SBA that although you have a great business idea and a great business plan you are wasting your time looking for federal funding for your business because you are the wrong sex and the wrong race to get any help from the government you just risked your life for …
Try passing all the federal employment tests and then getting veteran and disability preference points added on (total score was then 130 out of 100) and still not get the job because you are told you are the wrong race and the wrong sex …
Words can hurt but people get over it
/OT Rant Off
John,
You are being juvemile too? I mean, expecting Rusty to answer a question - really.
Watch that dakine backhand.
P.S. If liberals are soooo concerned about the planet, leave the US of A alone and go to China and start your movement there. Do your stinking homework and come back and complain about my light bulbs. 46.
Oh, but don’t you remember that pointing out the liberals’ own hypocrisy is “hate speech”?
Sarcasm mode off.
LOL Soap. I wonder if we’ll be able to watch the Olympics through all the smog in China! They really are idiots. There is no way they can combat Newt’s plan. Jun Carrray tried and was handed his hat, AGAIN! Bring on Gore and Newt will make the Gore Loser really feel ashamed.
I’ve had a couple of people give me a hard time about my Grand Cherokee & my Dodge 3/4 ton 4WD pickup,they usually shut up when I tell ‘em their little econobox couldn’t make it up my road in good weather,never mind the 3 foot snowdrifts & 6 inches of mud. (I don’t even mention my 1977 CJ-5 that gets at best 15 mpg & doesn’t have a catalytic converter)
Yu can have my 4WD when you…well,never.
Did I miss anything? I was on Craigslist looking for a Range Rover…
This from the same people who hypocritically refuse to allow the development of our own oil resources and refineries, even as other countries are rushing to snap up oil fields all over the globe including in both our front and back yards.
Will China drilling for oil in Wyoming wake these idiots up?
John, I hear ya, and I’m not going to disagree on the Newt vs. Gore thing…I think you’re right.
soap, somewhere in your last comment you make a good point about China. All pressure possible needs to be applied to China and India regarding their enviro practices (or lack thereof). A huge chunk of their economic growth is the result of classic “freeriding”. I.e., the prices of their goods does not anywhere near reflect the true costs to produce them. BTW, who was complaining about your choice of bulbs? I was simply pointing out that you’re not a particularly savvy consumer if you haven’t switched over to CFL bulbs.
SHHHH, don’t tell anyone. Soap incandescent light bulbs. dakine thinks I shoud be more green.
Where did I park that 707? Oh, yes, at John Travolta’s house. Dern it all, he has iridescent light bulbs in his house though.
Soap is going home to get his priority’s straight.
Now these folks want to tell me what I have to drive while the CA freeways are full of gas guzzlers of all sizes and varieties … right …
I and many others here would like to see less dependence on oil … but the environmental left has tied things up in the courts for years that would have helped that situation never get to the current levels of seriousness … no wind farms, no solar farms, no nuclear power plants, no clean coal plants …
There have been no new refineries opened in this country for 31 years (last one online in 1976) and no new refineries built in CA in 72 years (1935) where the gasoline usage is more than anywhere else in the country …
The hypocrisy exhibited by all of these holier than thou types telling us we have to become second class citizens while they still go around in comfort is absurd …
Personally … I would suggest that everyone simply try to reduce their gasoline usage by 1 or 2 tankfulls per month … soon the lower demand would cause the price to go back down …
Then put the environmentalist extemists out of business and drill off shore and in ANWR so we can put an end to all dependence on oil imports while developing all the other sources of energy for the future …
I’d like to add calling Dems “Dhimmicrats, and Defeatocrats” ARE bringing up valid points of discussion, only in one term, instead of having to spell out the issue EVERY time. (unlike getting called a racist or Nazi, see the diff?)
You complain about gas prices? Then get your Dem leaders to authorize more refineries here in the U.S.. Simple, our problems are solved.
Another thing about the wind farms: It takes twice as much concrete to make a wind farm that makes as much energy as a Nuke plant, as it takes to MAKE the nuke plant. The Euros have no problem living with Nuke energy, so why does the left? By using 2x the concrete to make a wind farm, I believe that would NOT qualify for ‘CLEAN’ energy because the dust from cement plants make one of the biggest greenhouse additives than even motorists!
Absolutely! Memo to democraps: Stay out of my garage!!
So quixotic, isn’t he…..
That’s good advice.
I did that over 10 years ago by working from my home office (no commute). I have a 2003 SUV, but only 22K miles on it. I’m sure you’re asking why I drive an SUV? Because I live at 7,100′ elevation in the mountains and need the all wheel drive and the clearance to get around. No dinky Prius with a 4″ clearance will get me through a winter. We get over 200″ of snow in a typical year.
I also combine trips and errands to save time/money.
So, to all you ASSuming liberals, not all of us who own/drive an SUV are gas guzzling morons.
Many liberals drive SUV’s
All liberals DRIVE ME CRAZY!
My father taught me about waste. He always used to say, “People have no idea how precious water is until they don’t have it.”
That quote has stuck with me all my life. I’ve always considered any waste to be too much. So it is with gasoline, too. I drive a Camry (I’m 6′4″, no Pius or Corolla for me) because it gets respectable mileage. I use low cost flourescent light bulbs. I conserve where ever I can.
But the nerve of these holy-than-thou, liberal brain-donors just gets my blood boiling. How dare they they tell me I’m not conserving enough? You can only conserve so much! If everyone used low cost flourescent lights, power usage would eventually climb as more offices and houses are built. Then what? Yes! Build a new power plant! Not here in CA, though.
And an observation - as I recall, the liberals were always on about raising gas prices by, wait for it, taxing it heavily. All during the Clintoon administration, we heard nothing but liberal rhetoric about how gas prices were too low. They wanted to raise the gas tax. NOW the prices are where the liberals wanted them to be 10 years ago and they’re complaining! Excuse me? Oh that’s right, the evil oil companies are making profit so that’s bad. If the gov’t taxes it to a high price, that’s good!
Hey, Bob Cesca, how about a nice be glass of shut the hell up!
Sorry! Last line should have been:
Hey, Bob Cesca, how about a nice big glass of shut the hell up!
DL,
it’s not just California…. and I live 5 miles from a very large wind farm. ease up there my desert brother we take enough heat for all the moonbats here. I conserve and recycle thats a no brainer it save you $$$$.
As far as vehicles go forget it, I’m driving my big car and playing with my toys.
I’ll drink to that.
Someone up the thread made a comment about being passed by gas guzzling trucks and SUVs at 80 mph.
What you have to factor in is, those trucks may be carrying personnel or equipment to a drilling or producing well a hundred or two hundred miles away that is shut down at $2000-$3000/hour. The cost of an extra gallon of gas is a good trade off.
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Michelle, will you be getting the script for tomorrow’s debate early? I’d like to read along while it’s on.
john, what time is it on?
8 et. On clinton news network.
ty.
I have a two-part answer to Bob Cesca:
- Just drill and refine, baby. Oil wouldn’t be anywhere near $100/barrel if we were tapping all our domestic sources rather than saying that somewhere north of half can’t be touched, and gasoline wouldn’t be north of $3/gallon if we had a proper amount of refining capacity.
- If you see a slightly-beat-up 2004 Subaru Outback Sport with a driver giving you an Italian salute, that would be me. Oh, and it’s a stick, so there’s an extra MPG or two for you (with a light-foot approach, I can break 30 mpg on the highway).
My first post..but I felt the need to point out that we get most of our oil from Canada–second is Mexico–I believe Venezuela is third and the middle east portion is very small
They should allow people in the audience to have tomato’s to hurl at em if they hit to high on the BS meter.
feebie, good word usage…nice.
Whoever brought up Nukes is right on point. The hard core eco-types made a big mistake in the 70’s on this issue and we’re paying for it now. I think France generates close to 80% of its power from nukes and is pretty close to being energy independent. I also saw recently that the founder of Greenpeace has joined forces with a conservative type on this issue. They are touring the country trying to educate and gin up support for cranking back up the nuclear power industry in this country so we can get more plants built.
Super market tomato’s to boot. At least we finally know where Hillbillary stands on illegals getting DL’S. 2 weeks and five days later to simply say “No, they should not have them”
We were at a museum on Saturday and saw a sign telling us that the museum was trying to reduce its carbon footprint and that we should too. while we were in line I made the comment that I wasn’t the slightest bit concerned about my carbon footprint. My daughter responded that she was pretty sure it was a lot smaller than Al Gore’s, so I’ve got room to spare if I need it.
So right. I drive a Saturn Vue 10 miles to work and 10 miles back. Unless I bike to work, which I sometimes do. And I make no apologies for either mode of transportation.
Yes, and no, dakine.
Unfortunately, there is a huge tax bomb about to be dropped at state, local, and federal levels to fund the “management” of green initiatives.
The savings and money to be made is on the wealth creation side. Check out companies like GE and HP for huge examples of how it has been going for them as they reinvented their supply chains.
Without government regulation or treaty signing, the US is the only country to exceed the standards set at Kyoto. None of the other signatories did.
So in typical socialist fashion, the Left has organized a cabal of “non-governmental” agencies at state, national, and local levels to “incubate” green initiatives.
Of course these will be funded by various taxes to pull money out of private hands to put into public programs “designed” with the “spirit” of Kyoto in mind.
What that means here in Berkeley is that every private resident will be ‘required’ to comply with “standards” set in the “spirit of Kyoto”. Or be taxed.
It doesn’t matter that we are going to renovate our home, add a second story, go off the grid entirely using our own money. We will have to prove to the City that our design is in compliance with a treaty the US never signed. Or be taxed.
Something smells.
Also, about the CFL bulbs- check carefully to see where these are manufactured. These are one of the leading knock-offs being made in China. They are being sold for the full whack, which is quite pricey. But they don’t last nearly as long as the real deal.
Also, the mercury hazard is real if they are dropped and broken. If you are feeling like adding mercury as one of your domestic hazmats, have at it.
And those “cheese wedges” the Moon Loons like to drive, the Prius? Investigate the carbon produced shipping the nickel cadmium back and forth from Canada to Japan twice before it can be formulated for car assembly purposes.
Them batteries, and their adaptor mechanisms are kinda pesky as a disposal issue too. What does that cost?
And by last count, a Prius required 50 pounds of copper for its power system. What’s the cost of that? And how much of the copper rich Prius power system has been needing replacement at the tune of over 3500 bucks a whack?
There are some very cool aspects to green and lean manufacturing and supply chains.
But there is alot of hoo-hah out there that the market is going to sort out, along with Al Gore, with a whole lot of pain.
Right now it is a boom. But then again, the price of oil is at 100 bucks.
That price won’t last. Nor will the mythologies around “climate change” that are driving the boom.
When fuel gets cheap again, and it will, real cheap, the folks who overinvested in green will see their little charts point downward- screechingly so.
I urge caution.
Bear 101 wins the apple pie.
Al’s Lexus hybrid - $100,000.00 22mpg highway
My 02 Town Car - paid $22,9900 in 03, don’t know the sticker. 18.4 City, 26.7 Highway.
How about all those trucks coming into the US from Mexico.
Wonder about those emissions - left winged creatures?
Thanks for pointing out the problems with the Prius, Bear. Driven like a badge of honor in Santa Fe, too bad they’re overall worse for the environment than my Saturn.
hoo-hah, always did like that.
I’m really torn. I ride my bicycle back and forth to work each day that it’s not raining - (just ‘cuz it’s good exercise and I like doing it). But I’m told that while riding a bike, a person exhales more CO2 than a car driving the same distance. So which is more important - reducing carbon dioxide emissions or reducing petrochemical usage? Hmmmm.
Disclaimer: Although I’m an engineer, I’ve not personally verified the claim of relative amounts of CO2 emissions but it does make sense as a human is not a particularly efficient energy conversion device.
aj … I know that location on I-10 very well … want to meet at the Morengo Casino? …
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was not being specific to CA on the wind farm comment … but rather the lack of all the things I listed across the nation … there are many areas where there is plenty of wind available and no one is developing it as an energy source …
my main CA comment was the fact that it has been 72 years since they built a new refinery in CA despite all the growth of population and automobile usage … and since the 60s that lack of building has mainly been because of the enviro-whackos stopping everything thorugh the courts …
I’d drive a prius if someone gave me one. can golf clubs fit in the trunk?
Bear … thanks for reminding folks about the hazardous substance problems with those CFL bulbs … these bulbs also pose a problem for disposal as a result of the materials in them …
We need to take foreign oil dependency out of our vocabulary. We have plenty here, but the environutsos don’t want to encroach upon the white tailed, two horned, three toed caribou (or whatever it is these days) to drill in Alaska or offshore…or anywhere. To quote George Karlan (one of their favorites) “Not in my ________ backyard”.
Down in Texas, the gov actually pays them to stop oil productions from time to time (my sister lives in a town full of oil-riggers). There is PLENTY over here. Truth is, these green peeps would have no argument under there belts if we all knew we didn’t HAVE to be dependant. And that we DO have enough oil here.
The use of the word dependency for this issue is a misnomer. We have made certain decisions (not to use nuclear power, not to drill for oil domestically, etc) that force us to buy from Central America and the Middle East.
Personally, I hate waste. I don’t waste a thing (drive the man nuts by saving cottage cheese and butter tub containers to use as give away doggy bags for our guests), I recycle EVERYTHING, I hardly have trash any more. No food goes to waste if i can help it. I even have a little compost deal in my backyard. Makes my garden BEAUTIFUL and makes for yummy tomatoes.
But here’s the deal. If someone wants to drive an SUV because it fits their lifestyle, hey, have at it. It IS, in fact, their right to do so and not worry about being brow butted by these eviro-natzi’s.
These green party people have made their bed, as far as I’m concerned, now they can lie in it. They live in a little microcosm which prevents them from seeing 2 inches in front of their own noses. They just complain, complain, complain. When they actually do come up with a solution to the problem they created…its so fitting, it is not what everyone can do to compromise its– “let us now take away your toys”.
My next car, will be an SUV…
hi bear. how was SF?
Sidewalks and bike paths would help immensely. Public transportation is not suited to most people’s purposes where I live, but people are clearly willing to walk and bike-typically on the shoulder of a narrow street or in the street itself. They’re practically a public hazard.
1976
Conservative: “Actually nuclear power is pretty safe and clean.”
Liberal: “You war-mongering nazis are in bed with the energy companies and are causing ‘global-cooling’.”
2007
Conservative: “The French use nuclear power.”
Liberals: “The French - well we should too.”
I’ve ranted about being passed by SUV’s carrying one person, on a cell phone, coffee in the other hand - looking in the rearview mirror checking out makeup/hair doing 80 mph - and tailgating every other vehicle on the road….with some goofy greeny bumper sticker. How they flashed their lights for the car in front of them to move over is beyond me?
24k you just described half the drivers in California, ok I took a cal dig, i’m allowed , sue me.
Yeah, sorry about that, but if I don’t get where I going in a hurry there won’t be any spotted owls left for me to club.
They drive me nuts.
That’s conservative number there, AJ. I’d say 75% of the drivers.
hmmmmmm, i think your right john.
I don’t pretend to be “green” at all. I drive an Armada and my husband has an F-150. Why? We have our reasons. First, we live in a smaller town and don’t really drive that much. We’ve had the F-150 for 7 years and it is a paid off vehicle. I’m not about to trade it in for something that gets better mileage and start making another pricey car payment again. We’ll drive that truck into the ground!
As for our Armada, well we are a family of 5 and I wanted 3 rows of seats and yes, something big. I won’t apologize for that. We can afford it and can easily fill up the seats when we carpool with other families to and from school or when my parents fly in for a visit.
OK, just two cents from a person who actually drives a big annoying SUV.
Clinton, Obama, or Edwards? They still have Mondale bumper stickers in Santa Fe!
WALTER MONDALE!!! LOL….
What about Dukakas!!!!! (intentionally spelled incorrectly)
lmao
Good stuff bear…hard to disagree with you. It’s like anything really. You gotta be smart, do you homework and realize that there are always pros and cons. I do know, however, that efficiency, sustainability, renewability (not sure if that’s a word), conservation, etc. are always going to make sense. Just seems to me that conservatives ought not cede the environmental issue to the left by default.
That’s MR. BEAR TO YOU!!!! HA!
I drive a 2000 VW Jetta that is almost faster than a speeding ticket in Tennessee
Even fully loaded with my school books, bowling gear and the like, I still get around 28 miles to the gallon on the hwy and 25 in the city.
GSP
Like a prairie dog, when these liberal crapweasels pop up out of their holes to bark their sanctimonious blather, you’ve got to take the shot.
Definitely a “red mist” posting, Michelle!
AJ #114, and half or more of the drivers in any large city. I’m not kidding, Dallas and surrounding Metroplex, is beyond awful. Denver, on the other hand, has many more transplanted Californians (or what they perceive as CA drivers) and can turn your hair white.
As far as the lightbulb issue, the house we bought last year has had every single bulb changed out. I haven’t a clue how to dispose of one when it does burn out? Are the dumps setting up any kind of turn-in center? Aww, mercury poisoning, what a gift we hadn’t counted on.
and what is wrong with white hair?
lol,
I like the way you think.Wanna go p’dog shootin’ sometime?
Heh. This reminds me of a discussion I had last week with a moonbat friend over the “SmartCar.” She kept gushing about how wonderful it was to save money and the planet, but when I asked her about MPG rating of the wheelchair-accessible van that will haul her to physical therapy three times a week after she’s paralyzed when her “SmartCar” is T-boned by so much as a Ford Focus, she got confused.
Guess its good I’m not the King, first thing I’d do is put a long row of one mega watt windmills a half mile from the beach…right in front of the Kennedy compound.
Heather #133, I don’t think liberals really concentrate on the “What if’s”. Good point though.
I drive a 4-cyl 2000 Nissan Altima, which gets 33 MPG by my own calculations. I drive it a few miles each day back and forth to a suburban metro station…during which many much larger vehicles with anti-Bush stickers pass me on their way into driving all the way into the city.
Michelle how dissapointing telling Bob Cesca to Drive his Eco-Sanctimony off a Malibu cliff. Is that the new Chrysler? and how many miles to the gallon does it get? Did it do well in crash test’s?
Bob Cesca is an Idiot.
My wife works at a Conoco convienience store and you get to know the regular customer’s and their political affiliation’s from what they say, things like: I’m sure your boss is making a killing off the gas, If it wasn’t for Bush and the Republican’s the prices would’nt be this high etc…
My reply was tell me how Bush and the Republican’s control’s gas prices? are’nt gas prices controlled through the Stock Market?
It’s funny how they don’t have an answer to any of these question’s.
Now I say so who’s fault is it now? the Dim’s run Congress. no answer.
For the record the retail end of Gas makes anywhere from -$0.05 cents to +$0.10 cents per gallon dependent on what the competive pricing is.
Can you say Hypocrite’s
You’ll have to exuse me I have to go charter a 767 for a one passenger trip to Olympia to call the Police.
(Refer to post on the story about vandalistic protesters)
Wednesday Evening Greetings Mrs. Malkin and loyal community. Appreciate the sentiment expressed often above that some of the loudest voices disapproving an energy-wasting lifestyle are themselves major “culprits”. Evidently an elites versus the masses question. Transportation needs do vary by circumstances, hence much of the variety to be seen on the road. One argument that does not hold water, though, is that a truck-based SUV is required to obtain three rows of seats. The Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey and a raft of similar vehicles all accommodate passengers in three rows of seats, and do so quite adequately powered by 6-cylinder engines. The fixation on the truck-based SUV, and indeed a fair part of the gentleman’s pick-up truck market, would seem to have to do with visions of the Marlboro Man and then multiplied by the herd mentality. Very well, but let vast sums that would otherwise go to unfriendly entities overseas through the pump instead go to vitiate the federal budget deficit through greatly increased gasoline taxes. Then we shall see how necessary some people find the trucks and truck-based SUVs.
I drive a four cylinder Ford Fusion and it gets about 29-32 MPG and I do favor that the USA would consume less and not depend on foreign oil and I am as conservative as the next guy. Bu