Even Canada doesn’t want US military deserters
I’ve written before about US Army deserter Jeremy Hinzman, who cut and ran to Canada to avoid deployment to Iraq in 2004. He and other deserter lost their appeals to stay up north this week:
Two U.S. Army deserters who fled to Canada and sought refugee status on grounds of their opposition to the war in Iraq have lost their bids to have the Supreme Court of Canada hear their cases.
The court refused Thursday to hear the appeals of Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, who were rejected by Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board in 2005.
The board ruled they would not be at risk of their lives if they returned to the United States, nor were they at risk of “cruel and unusual treatment or punishment.”
Hinzman and Hughey deserted the U.S. Army in 2004 after learning their units were to be deployed to Iraq to fight in a war they have called immoral and illegal. The men argue that serving in Iraq would force them to commit crimes against civilians, and that they would be persecuted if forced to return to the United States.
Both the Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeal have refused to review their cases.
It ain’t over yet. A few of Hinzman’s moonbatty friends in high places will fight to keep him from being deported. Knock yourselves out:
If deported, Hinzman, who works as a Toronto bike courier, and Hughey, who works in British Columbia, face court martial and possible imprisonment for desertion.
Last night, protesters with the War Resisters Support Campaign said with legal remedies failing, they will concentrate on pressuring Canadian politicians to take action.
New Democrat immigration critic Olivia Chow said she plans to submit a parliamentary motion calling for hearings on the issue and will ask Minister of Immigration Diane Finley to intervene immediately.
“To deport courageous war resisters who oppose the illegal invasion of Iraq is saying yes to George W. Bush’s war and no to supporting and protecting people seeking peace,” Chow said through an assistant at the protest.
Attended by a handful of other deserters and their families, the Toronto demonstration was one of eight scheduled in cities across the country yesterday.
Lee Zaslofsky, who himself deserted the U.S. Army in 1970 to avoid deployment to Vietnam, said it is time for the federal Liberal Party to follow in Pierre Trudeau’s footsteps and support a provision allowing deserters to remain here in Canada.
If there’s a Canadian version of DLTDHYOTWO, let me know.
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“Take off, you hosers!”
*sigh* Remember the good old days when they used to shoot deserters?
Even General Washington didn’t tolerate such utter cowardice and would have them shot.
Oh well, I guess what the Founding Fathers had in mind only works for somethings, and no for others. As long as it suits the Liberal’s purpose, anyway.
I can see sympathising with a deserter who was a conscript, as Canada did in the VietNam era… but someone who enlists by their own free will & then deserts, seems a feckless individual of low character & would most likely be liability to society. Even a very liberal society.
Michelle:
There is — “DLTDHYOTWO, Eh?”
I second RetFireman. If I can add to it, we should make them purchase their own bullets before we put them on the firing line. Save a little money anyway we can.
Michelle, I think it’s “DLTDHYOTWO, eh?”
Oops, Miss Marci has that one covered. How about “DLTDHYOTWOH”? Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, hosers.
Alright Mookie…you can’t follow me here and steal my lines……eh?
My brother went off to do his duty in Vietnam in ‘69 at 20 yrs old and returned home in a casket. An uncle was stationed in Germany during the war. I have NO sympathy for these deserters.
As was stated, this is a volunteer military, and there is no way Canada is going to risk a relationship over them…
I did notice that their politicians seem to think they can go around the law…
Strange how they joined the military and took the paycheck and the training and it never once dawned on them that they just might have to fight a war. Would they have gone if they’d been posted to Kosovo
instead of Iraq or Afghanistan?
After all, we are still fighting Bill Clinton’s war so they
could always go there instead of fighting President
Bush’s war.
I think they should have to repay every cent of every
paycheck they have cashed plus repay all of the other benefits they received while in the military, and if they are sent back here, please take a picture of them without their shirts so we can all see those
yellow streaks.
#11 God Bless your family.
well isn’t that all just some very highminded commentary, sledguy?
I have zero tolerance for those who take the Governments money in the all volunteer Military and then cut and run for the hills when they have to pony up and take the risks their comrades are willing to face. As General Omar Bradley stated, “Courage is being able to do what is right while scared out of your wits.” These two knuckleheads are deserters and need to face the wraith of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice with the maximum penalty prescribed in the Manual for Courts Martial.
Deserters = cowards
sledguy, have you been drinking?
sledguy appears to be on the fast track to being banned.
#14 Thank you
And was I just attacked?
SludgeGuy-
I doubt you are long for this forum. Were you dropped on your head at some Moon Loon protest?
It’s wrong to refer to people here in such cheap and derogatory terms used by common street trash.
Now then, why not say you’re sorry- as if you mean it- leave, and go back to the hovel from which you crawled.
That’s a nice boy.
#22 — I don’t know to whom that was directed…either way, it’s nothing but verbal trash.
Hey, maybe they can use that Canadian space shuttle arm to transport the deserters back over the border. DLTDHYOTWO!!!!!!!!!
jose — or maybe they could make one of those “border slingshot” thingys they had on Mythbusters a while back…I’d pay to see that show!!
MissMarcilyn-
They could use a circus cannon, but first they should test it on sledguy. It might teach him manners. They could put peas in his helmet to cushion the fall.
but could they really get the peas to stay in long enough to get it on his head? I mean, he’d start flinging them at us right away, as all toddlers do when they throw tantrums……
Maybe they should seek residency in Iraq?
Perhaps sledguy’s mother needs to re-teach him/her some manners.
I would love to see a trebuchet used those things can really launch an object. They worked pretty good on medieval castle walls.
Boomer — I have access to a chainsaw… … … … … …
MissMarcyLynn I love the way you think, just like my lovely wife.
why thankee, Boomer. I bet I’d like her!
You all are getting a little bit carried away, but I love
your enthusiasm!
I too have a chainsaw and a couple of those things that you cut tree branches with..you know, you stand
on the ground and pull a cord to operate a saw? At
least that way you could keep some distance…….
You all are getting a little bit carried away, but I love
your enthusiasm!
I too have a chainsaw and a couple of those things that you cut tree branches with..you know, you stand
on the ground and pull a cord to operate a saw? At
least that way you could keep some distance…….
terrig, pls don’t make references to guns… we get the point, but people (buttpeople) can get the wrong idea…
let’s go back to the chainsaw, biodiesel, of course!
Okay, my bad sorry
TXRose — I’ve got one of those limb-slicer-thingamabobbers too…this is starting to sound promising.
(side note…I meant “tree-limb-slicer”…just thought I might want to clarify that…
)
It’s obvious that these guys enlisted for only the benefits, when it came time to pay the piper, they skedaddled. What irks me more than anything is having to listen to someone call them “courageous war resistors”, give me a break,they are users. You meet this kind all through life, they use you for what they can get and then drop you like a hot potato when they have to step up.
And as for sledguy, didn’t your mother teach you any manners?
My assumption was the chainsaw would be used to supply logs for the construction of the trebuchet and of course we want to keep the carbon foot as small as possible by only using bio-fuels.
I remember these words. Anyone who has received them usally doesn’t last too much longer.
I’ve known a few deserters, before they committed the act. The ones I knew were ridden with character flaws and cowardice. For the most part, they just take oxygen from the honorable men like your brother. The deserters should be charge with the full extent of the law, because they bring dishonor to their fellow servicemen and servicewomen.
Sledweirdo-you must be high or drunk that’s the only excuse for your rude and crude remarks.
Is that the best you can do? How shameful.
Well, the scraps from the trebuchet could be used to burn someone at the steak,
jus sayin.
Sorry about the double post. I’m having some trouble
with me end of things and it seemed to be hanging up.
My husband just informed me that those thingamabobbers are called pole saws.
Off topic..I just read that Mexico intends to go to the
UN over our wanting to build a border fence. Of course the UN would never say anything about Mexico
having it’s army on its southern borders to keep those
undesirables from down south out because I guess
they don’t need illegals to do the jobs their people
won’t do because they are all here or heading here.
Ah….”pole saw” — what a practical and obvious thing to name a thingamabobber that has a saw at the end of a pole.
Go figure!
Awww crap… thingamabobbrers are outlawed in NY.
uh oh…can you have doohickeys?
Heres the problem they had, (deserters) it is an ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY…so why did they enlist in the first place? I mean there were some telling signs we might be going to War. Like I don’t know when it was announced everywhere! I bet we even told the Canadians (Sarcasm)
What about thingamagigs? I know the man that either
invented those or something with a name very close to
that one. The there are doohickeys. Personally, I don’t
think doohickeys are outlawed anywhere except the
house and senate. I know they are legal in TX because
I’m always hearing about doohickeys here.
During the Vietnam war we had the draft, these guys volunteered, because this is is an all volunteer army. They should come back and take their punishment for being a deserter. You make the decision to take the action of deserting, then when it blows up in your face you take the consequences of those actions.
No, Chow, you have it wrong these are what I call cowards. The really courageous are in Iraq doing their jobs.
They raised their hands to voluntarily serve. It’s one thing to be drafted as a conscientious objector, but these servicemen volunteered, swore an oath, and then changed their minds.
Mexico City can’t provide jobs, it can’t clean up its enviornment, it can’t control anything and I believe the gov’t is run by drug cartels. Furthermore I don’t think the illegals want to learn English because we still have to push buttons on phones to get English. Another thing Mexico better not rely on Canada for the next dumping grouond for its citizens that can’t find work in the old homeland. Mexico will realize that Canada does enforce its borders.
DLTDHYOTWO, Hoser.
sledguy is now gone..phew.. i cannot understand someone slinging that kind of talk when it comes to the sacrafices soldiers and their families have made. God help that soul that is that empty.
Don’t forget the Marine Corps. The Army wouldn’t have anybody to tell jokes about. Besides we jarheads kick A$$!!!!!
Maybe these wussies are waiting to see if a Dem gets elected and will get a pardon like that last worthless loser did for the ones who bugged out during VietNam.Until then he can keep riding his bike in his promising future as a courier(no offense).
Doohickeys are are permitted if you are a registered democrat, making at least 250k, live in Manhattan & are politically well connected.
In Bklyn., men just have to be men.
Rick Moran - time to boot another. See #15.
Thxs
Hmmm…seems like I missed something. Now I am curious what this “Sledguy” said. Obviously it was well thought out and full of good grammar, spot on logic and factual anectdotes. Oh well…I am sure that another Liberal troll from the vast wastelands of Kos, DU and HuffPo will come by soon enough to disperse more logic and quality political commentary any time now. If it is one thing you can be sure of, it is an endless supply of Liberal non-sense.
Now, i think these two cowards should have checked the laws first. Seems to me I remember that you can no longer desert up to Canada following the pardoning of all the draft dodgers back in the 70’s. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t eliminating Canada as a refuge for deserters and dodgers part of the amnesty deal?
Also, they did it on their own. They should have called up the Holy Mother Sheehan. She was willing to run off to Canada with her son, maybe she knew something these guys didn’t. After all, cowardice loves insanity…they would have got along famously, and possibly gained some weight along the way.
txcowgirl..am so sorry about your brother. My came
home from Vietnam but he has never been the same
since he was over there and it’s as if a very large part
of his soul did not come home.
This is one of the reasons that I have no patience with
traitors that run from service. Before he die, I got to
know “Nick” Rowe who was held in a tiger cage for so
long in Vietnam. His courage and strength have always
inspired me.
all volunteer military.. (army,navy,airforce and marines)..
sorry jose…
I stand corrected!! The brave marines cannot be forgotten!!
It’s aboot givin’ ‘em the boot, eh?
Thanks Rick.
PS - that was the previous comment #15, not the present one.
Boo Freaken Hoo, hilarious! Forty years late but roll on the floor, laugh fest, hilarious.
Hope they visit the gray bar Hilton, bu-bye.
Welcome home boys.
Muchas gracias
/s/
the guerilla
Thanks Rick!!!
RetFM, it was the “whore” reference that pissed me off.
I don’t know about these two in particular, but I knew people in the reserves and National Guard who openly planned to quit or get medical releases if they were sent anywhere, much less to a war zone.
They did not have to desert. They could have filed as “Conscientious Objectors” and gone to serve in another capacity, following whatever it is the Military needs to do to validate their status. Deserting was a purly cowardly act. Not only that, but they then sought refuge in another country, regardless of whether or not that country is a friend. I say bring back Washington’s way of dealing with all deserters. They abandoned their oath, their fellow soldiers, their country and their families. Nothing lower on this earth than a coward. Puts them on equal footing with the cowards that we are fighting. There’s something to be proud of.
Uhangtight, that’s cowardice times two. If you really and truly feel that war is immoral, but you signed up (I know), then you take your punishment like a man instead of running away.
Sorry Red, I missed the entire comment. Was watching the videos of the other cowards and traitors on a different thread, busy being disgusted by them. I feel so out of touch now.
That comment #69 sounds odd, it’s not directed at you uhangtight, I’m agreeing with you.
Of course my brother is first in my mind, but I have also had other family members in the military. Uncles, cousins, cousins-in-law, friends. One cousin (West Point graduate!) was in that initial run up to Baghdad and part of the reason for that ‘mission accomplished’ speech. I am proud of them all. And I do not make apologies for myself or any of them.
My ancestors in this country go back to the mid 1600’s and I like to think they fought in the Revolutionary war and every one in between.
I display the flag proudly anywhere and everywhere I can.
Sorry for the history lesson.
Ya’ll have made me cry and laugh tonight.
Thanks guys. I needed that.
Nothing except a bad conduct discharge is waiting for them. What a waste of internet real estate this post is.
Next post please.
No prob RetFM, go back and read when you have time… till then, take comfort knowing that there are still those that will respect a lady…even if it means shouldering a pole saw!
i didn’t know that you could quit the national guard?
i thought it was similar to other military branches? I know in Vietnam there were friends of mine that went and told stories of the other guys who didn’t want to be there so they would do things like shoot themselves in the foot, hand and otherwise injure themselves so they could be sent home. Don’t know if this is true or not as so many lies have been told about Vietnam by the likes of the John Kerry’s of that time.
But, I do imagine this would be faster than filing as a conscientious objector, I’m not saying that these deserters should have tried this option first, but it is a thought..
I fight this battle everyday since I’ve returned. It’s been four years now. MM.com has been one of my saving graces. I can come here, and find people who are concerned with the War on Terror, and other challenges our nation faces. Other people have their heads in the sand. I don’t think I’ll ever be the same, however I can feel myself almost ready to move on.
You can’t. It’s just like active duty in that regard.
atxcowgirl, you be proud of your history! My mom’s side of the family came in the 1600’s, too. I feel the same way you do about the military.
winemkr.. buh bye; oh and don’t come back now, hit the road jack..
Thanks for serving and fighting for our country, Jose. I wish you the very best and hope that you will continue to “fight the battle”.
What I would like to know, is, if they truly feel war is
immoral, etc, then why did they join the military? When I joined the Navy, I hoped that if we went to war
that I would be allowed to do something other than to
“roll bandages.” My husband joined the Navy with the
same thought except for the bandages. Our oldest son
joined the Air Force and wound up teaching survival
skills and was shot at (thank God the shooter missed)
but the kid behind was killed. Our younger son wanted
to fly but could not join the military because of his
asthma.
On one side, we trace our military service back to
just before the crusades to a Knight ( can that be
called military?)
I think anyone who deserts should be deported after having a great big D branded on his/her forhead.
simply awesome
jose, thank you for your service. my heart goes out to you. i can never imagine what war would be like, the horror, the stress of survival must be taxing beyond anything i can understand or anything i have experienced.
God Bless you in your endeavors, may he bless you in your comings and your goings, may he bless you in the fields, may he bless you in the city. Be Blessed.
Hoorah!
Conscientious objector status can take a while, however it still gets them out. Most of what I’ve seen, the service member has systemic problems that mostly relate to incompatibility with military life. It can be a nerve racking thing, because you’re watching out for the enemy, and the conscientious objector also. They can impede the mission. I don’t make excuse for them, however I don’t want them in MY convoy.
AJ What’s wrong with #15? They are cowards. (well I’m sort of new on here so if you get booted for calling these losers cowards, I can promise I won’t last long.)
Thank you everybody. except for sledguy–bu bye!!!!
about five comments were removed. I think the numbers are different now. He was refering to a different #.
TXRose thanks for sharing your lineage. I can only track my ancestors back to the American Civil War fighting for North Carolina, but or family has served this country in almost every war until I retired. We have had our fair share of those killed and wounded during their service. Third generation career Military and very proud of it. I was lucky enough to fly for almost half my Air Force career and very lucky to have survived running away from 4 burning aircraft and other various inflight and ground emergencies. Unfortunately I had to bury more than on friend due to pilot or mechanical error/failure and even had to send one of my Airmen home to his parents in a box (toughest time of my life and still feel like I failed to protect my troop). All of us that serve or who had served know there are risks when you raise your hand to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. For those that have served honorable in combat or not thanks for your service you have shown yourself not to be lacking when duty called. Unlike the deserters cowering in Canada.
Just drop them in the heart of Texas or West Virginia and let them walk out. If they can make it out they are free
sledguy’s comments were removed from this thread. His comments were insulting and inappropriate and it messed up the sequence of the numbers referenced.
WooHoo West Virginia! That’s where my family is from. I had an uncle that was captured by Confederate soldiers and was never seen again.
OMG, what a LOSER!!! Bwa hahahaha
Also, ‘out’ is pronounced ‘Ouooot’, in America Jr. speak. So, DLTDHYOTWOooot, eh?
Traitor and bike courier? That’s fast trackin to the LOSER Hall of Fame.
Jose..I am sorry that you are having a hard time. Thank you for your service and thank you for posting
on MM’s site. I have suffered ptsd and as a counselor,
I can tell you that the most effective thing to do to
combat it is also the hardest thing to do. Believe it or
not, the more you can talk about your experiences, the farther away you get from them. I know, I know,
this is usually the last thing you would want to do
because the MSM has us grieving and moving on in 24
hours, but that just does not happen. Time does heal all wounds, but you have to help it. Please find
(if you haven’t already) someone who can relate to
your service and the experiences you had during it.
Sometimes keeping a journal can help some people. If this all sounds trite, it is also true. “Nick”
Rowe that I mentioned said that one of the things
he did during his captivity was keep a mental journal.
I am so happy that you feel you are about ready to
move forward and you will be in my prayers.
On an aside, our younger son heard the Time heals
all wounds, but misheard it and wanted to know
what time wounds all heels meant.
Some background on little Jeremy:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/m-n/manion/2004/manion121304.htm
Hopefully, he’ll once again be able to enjoy three hots and a cot as a guest of Uncle Sam at that lovely Kansas institution located in Leavenworth. My guess, Jeremy, is that you’ll definitely be bunking on the bottom.
Pfft. If they get deported back to US, they’ll make big bucks on the talk show circuit and as anti-war activists.
We don’t actually prosecute for desertion anymore. Look at Watada. He still hasn’t been thrown in the stockade.
While we’re on the subject of pathetic losers, here’s some Friday night stupid
LOL
I just read one of the articles about this lowlife and
while there I saw an actual web address for how to go
AWOL and get on with your life and they can show you
how for only $20 a year. How hideous!!
On that note, night all! Sleep tight!!
#95
Paulie Shore! OMG…I could have gone my whole life without seeing him in speedos….crickey!!!!
WARNING….DO NOT LOOK AT 95’s POST ON A FULL STOMACH….
Thanks Jose #86. I take it slugnut got booted and post taken down. I was worried that I couldn’t call the cowards cowards.
OFF TOPIC ALERT
Mini soap is on the way. Our daughter is in surgery at the moment for C-section. Trevor may be born before the hour is up.
WOOOOHOOOO!!!
OT. rerun of O’Reilley on now, where’s Michelle? I like it a lot better when she’s on.
CONGRAT”S SOAP! Tipping beer in honor.
To be a CO you have to convince a board that you believe ALL war for any purpose is immoral… not just the CURRENT conflict. Unless you can point to a life-changing experience since enlisting it’s hard to do if you’re already in uniform.
As for these two jokers, they deserted in time of war… they should get a firing squad.
Tip a few for me there John! Thanks!
Congrat’s Soap!
Based on what I read & his own statements, I think the best thing Jeremy Hinzman ever did for his country was leaving.
That said, when he is returned I hope he spends a year in prison (no more, I don’t want my tax dollars paying for his upkeep) and receives a dishonorable discharge so he cannot receive any government benefits or employment. Dishonorable is the perfect adjective to describe this miserable person. (Note: I served as a paratrooper and the more visceral part of my brain says he needs a long and severe a** whooping).
As far as his getting CO status, look up Desmond Doss (WWII vet) & Thomas Bennett (Vietnam), two conscientious objectors who were awarded the Medal Of Honor (Bennett’s posthumously). These were brave men, men of courage & honor. I urge all to read about them.
TIP TIP TIP, THen I read #105 and spit some out in laughter. “best thing Jeremy Hinzman ever did for his country was leaving”.. Now that’s classic. Very well put, Mr. Chips.
Soap #99 - late to the party, but pray your daughter and grandbaby are tucked in by now and sleeping blissfully. Wishing you and yours God’s richest blessings and the sweetest dreams.
As far as deserters, if Canada fails to deport them I say let Canada have them. You can bet that if the only job one of them could get was that of a courier, at some point they will need some kind of assistance, bringing constant attention to themselves and their lack of honor. All and all though, we’ve not had the number desert we did in past wars and that’s because this is a really focused dedicated group. I’m really proud of them, and hope we can help them - instead of spending money on prosecuting those that failed to see the consequences of a decision (what a novel idea). Either way, it should be stamped on every legal document from now until doomsday, “Coward.”
Mr. Chips made me smile too. More “courageous” Americans should grab a piece of fat and slide off to Canada.
UPDATE:
Trevor came into the world at 6lbs 8ozs and 19 inches at 11:32pm eastern. He is perfect!
Great news!
Congrats Soap!
And to all my fellow posters that have served/are serving/or family members my heartfelt thanks and gratitude — Heroes one and all!
Those guys should be digging ditches.
I am always amazed at how cowards like this are unwilling to go to jail for thier beliefs.
Mr Chips
You missed the most famous CO of all time … Sgt. Alvin York …
“To deport courageous war resisters who oppose the illegal invasion of Iraq is saying yes to George W. Bush’s war and no to supporting and protecting people seeking peace,”
aj? huh? what?
john, i’m not part of MM.com
I have to admit that I was surprised that their applications for asylum were rejected. There is some hope for the world.
To give Hinzman some credit, he did go overseas and served in Afghanistan while his CO application was being processed. He only deserted when it was turned down. That doesn’t excuse him running away, but at least he made some effort to work with the system.
And as it was been pointed out earlier, he and Hughey stand to make a lot of money on the talk show circuit after things settle. Don’t see what they are complaining about.
I wonder what would happen if we said keep them, we don’t want the cowards. And, bar them from ever reentering the US again. They won’t defend their Country no matter which one it is.
Congratulations on-my-soap-box! Great news to hear another healthy child comes into the world.
Congratulations soap!! Am still waiting for kids to
multiply and bless us with grands, but I don’t push!
What do you mean, Dave? We can’t keep illegals, etc,
out of our country..all they would have to do is go to
Mexico and walk back in unless they run across some
of the criminal element on the border and get taken
out by them. Come to think of it, maybe they would
decide war isn’t so bad when they come up against
those guys!
Congrats again soap on your new little bubble.
With Carter still living, I thank God ex-Presidents can’t grant pardons.
#113
York wasn’t a concientious objector. He was urged to file for that status by his family and fiancee, but decided that warfare in a just cause was morally permissible. The movie is great, but gets a couple of things wrong and that is one of them.
I think that these deserters deserve prison time and a Dishonorable Discharge and not the “Big Chicken Dinner” BCD. I volunteered to serve my country at the end of Viet Nam and stayed in until I was injured in a car accident that caused a spinal cord injury that caused motor skill problems.
I have no sympathy for this Hoser, however, I feel sorry for his child and his family who know his shame.
How do you look at your comrades when you go back to face justice. Nobody really likes war and wants to die but sacrifices have been made throughout history by men willing to fight what they feel was right and for honor. Send him to Hugo Chavez fight for him.
Not in my military.
DAGNABBIT To The Tenth Power!
Im always a day late and a 1.50 short to the lead up to a banning. My curiousity to what was said will be on overdrive for the rest of the day…
Put the cowards against a wall, and let the fireing squad do their duty. I’d like to voluteer for that duty, others too, I bet.
oldnavyfart-
The BCD (aka Big Chicken Dinner)/Bad Conduct Discharge is worse than a dishonorable discharge by a New York mile.
If my memory serves me correctly; a person with a DHD can still own firearms, and get gov’t backed college scharlorships (sp?), BUT-a person with a BCD cannot own firearms, loses all veterans preferences, and cannot receive gov’t scharlorships (sp?)at all.
To really make these gentlemen pay, take them to courts-martial, if they are found guilty, and then punish them accordingly. This way even if they get a DHD, they are still convicted felons and lose the right to own a firearm, or even vote. Additionally, I would give them the option if they want to remain in this country they accept whatever punishment the SCM gives, if not-then they can petition a foreign government and immigrate there and simulataneously rake away their American citizenship.
But I am sick little squid, my suggestion is to send them to courts-martial, convict them, and send them home on a flight wearing baby blue pajamas with the word Coward writtten on the back.
A little public humilation can be a wonderful thing.
GSP
The USBP caught a couple of Marines trying to sneak into Canada a couple of years ago. The USBP agent who caught them, a former Marine. Man, he had their 1st Sgt on the phone so fast. I think it was on the USMC B-Day when the Marines arrived to bring their butts back….I am glad to see Canada sending them back.
I was in Afghanistan with the Canadians. We lost a soldier each back on March 29th, 2005. So, they have their sons, daughters, parents and brothers and sisters in harm’s way too. It is no wonder our cowards will not be welcome in a country that has it’s people standing on the front lines.
atxcowgirl said:
My dad enlisted in the Army for Vietnam, even though his draft number was high. My uncle had a low-ish number, but was “stationed in Canada”, if you get my meaning…
Though it is unfortunate these two guys are in the military.
I mean, what kind of idiot enlists and thinks they won’t have to go fight?
Patton would have slapped the crap outta both of them.
Jose,
I want to thank you for everything you’ve done for this country. I have a cousin that served in Mosul for a year, and has finally come back. From what I’ve heard, he doesn’t talk much about what went on.
I just want you to know that in my opinion, you guys are heroes! You all are the real courageous ones.
These cowards that ran off to Canada when time came to serve their country as they promised should recieve the maximum allowable punishment under the UCMJ.
Jim
Many of our family friends live in the Western provinces, and they consider the draft dodgers and deserters to be freeloading losers. I second their opinion. I hope the Canadian supreme court kicks them back to the US to stand trial for their crimes.
I do think that there should be some way to get out of the military once you have enlisted other than death. Most of us can just quit our jobs if we want. But servicemen and women are not able to change their minds. My brother enlisted for 5 years when he was 21. Anything can happen in five years, and I think there ought to be an alternative for people who are so afraid that they go to Canada.
These deserters may be afraid, but I don’t think that makes them cowards anymore than any of us who may have not volunteered to serve at all.
Another thing–if you leave the country, isn’t that a fair deal? Leave and never come back? You are no longer a citizen and therefore released of your duty to serve. See ya.
A bit of information about Olivia Chow — she’s an NDP (New Democratic Party) Member of Parliament and married to the leader of the NDP. The NDP is like the extreme left wing of the Democratic Party and they are NOT even close to being in power. In fact, they aren’t even the official opposition. So, she can blather on and on and it won’t make much difference. The Conservative Party is in power and I seriously doubt that either of the whiny deserters (or any of the others up here) will get another chance. They should be escorted to the border soon.
As someone who pays Canadian taxes, I’ll be very thankful that they won’t be receiving welfare benefits any longer.
A side note — another deserter applying for refugee status in Canada wrote a book (The Deserter’s Tale: The Story of an Ordinary Soldier Who Walked Away from the War in Iraq by Joshua Key).
Another book published at the same time was The Volunteer by Michael Ross. He’s a Canadian who immigrated to Israel, converted to Judaism, served in the Israeli army and served in Mossad fighting terrorists. Every time I went to our local bookstore I would cover up copies of The Deserter’s Tale with The Volunteer. Subversive fun at the liberal-leaning bookstore!