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	<title>Comments on: Even Canada doesn&#8217;t want US military deserters</title>
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		<title>By: Joshua Key is A Fraud &#38; A Liar and I Have the Facts to Prove It &#124; ROK Drop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Key is A Fraud &#38; A Liar and I Have the Facts to Prove It &#124; ROK Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Something else I found interesting is that someone has posted over at Joshua Key&#8217;s Wikipedia page that the ROK Drop is involved in a &#8220;controversy&#8221;.  Get this the controversy is that I stated that Joshua Key was the first deserter to go to Canada since the Vietnam War when in fact two other deserters Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey went to Canada before him.  I should have been more clear, Key is the first deserter to actually have served in Iraq to seek refuge in Canada. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Something else I found interesting is that someone has posted over at Joshua Key&#8217;s Wikipedia page that the ROK Drop is involved in a &#8220;controversy&#8221;.  Get this the controversy is that I stated that Joshua Key was the first deserter to go to Canada since the Vietnam War when in fact two other deserters Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey went to Canada before him.  I should have been more clear, Key is the first deserter to actually have served in Iraq to seek refuge in Canada. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: THE SPADE</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE SPADE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;US deserters require some tough love...&lt;/strong&gt;

This editorial tells it like it is:No one can say we didn&#039;t give them due process. It has been almost four years since Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey deserted the U.S. Army and fled to Canada. Since then, they&#039;ve been...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>US deserters require some tough love&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>This editorial tells it like it is:No one can say we didn&#8217;t give them due process. It has been almost four years since Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey deserted the U.S. Army and fled to Canada. Since then, they&#8217;ve been&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: meeshlr</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit of information about Olivia Chow -- she&#039;s an NDP (New Democratic Party) Member of Parliament and married to the leader of the NDP.  The NDP is like the extreme left wing of the Democratic Party and they are NOT even close to being in power.  In fact, they aren&#039;t even the official opposition.  So, she can blather on and on and it won&#039;t make much difference.  The Conservative Party is in power and I seriously doubt that either of the whiny deserters (or any of the others up here) will get another chance.  They should be escorted to the border soon.

As someone who pays Canadian taxes, I&#039;ll  be very thankful that they won&#039;t be receiving welfare benefits any longer.

A side note -- another deserter applying for refugee status in Canada wrote a book (The Deserter&#039;s Tale: The Story of an Ordinary Soldier Who Walked Away from the War in Iraq by Joshua Key).  

Another book published at the same time was The Volunteer by Michael Ross.  He&#039;s a Canadian who immigrated to Israel, converted to Judaism, served in the Israeli army and served in Mossad fighting terrorists.  Every time I went to our local bookstore I would cover up copies of The Deserter&#039;s Tale with The Volunteer.  Subversive fun at the liberal-leaning bookstore!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit of information about Olivia Chow &#8212; she&#8217;s an NDP (New Democratic Party) Member of Parliament and married to the leader of the NDP.  The NDP is like the extreme left wing of the Democratic Party and they are NOT even close to being in power.  In fact, they aren&#8217;t even the official opposition.  So, she can blather on and on and it won&#8217;t make much difference.  The Conservative Party is in power and I seriously doubt that either of the whiny deserters (or any of the others up here) will get another chance.  They should be escorted to the border soon.</p>
<p>As someone who pays Canadian taxes, I&#8217;ll  be very thankful that they won&#8217;t be receiving welfare benefits any longer.</p>
<p>A side note &#8212; another deserter applying for refugee status in Canada wrote a book (The Deserter&#8217;s Tale: The Story of an Ordinary Soldier Who Walked Away from the War in Iraq by Joshua Key).  </p>
<p>Another book published at the same time was The Volunteer by Michael Ross.  He&#8217;s a Canadian who immigrated to Israel, converted to Judaism, served in the Israeli army and served in Mossad fighting terrorists.  Every time I went to our local bookstore I would cover up copies of The Deserter&#8217;s Tale with The Volunteer.  Subversive fun at the liberal-leaning bookstore!</p>
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		<title>By: jh019i</title>
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		<dc:creator>jh019i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think that there should be some way to get out of the military once you have enlisted other than death. Most of us can just quit our jobs if we want. But servicemen and women are not able to change their minds. My brother enlisted for 5 years when he was 21. Anything can happen in five years, and I think there ought to be an alternative for people who are so afraid that they go to Canada.

These deserters may be afraid, but I don&#039;t think that makes them cowards anymore than any of us who may have not volunteered to serve at all.

Another thing--if you leave the country, isn&#039;t that a fair deal? Leave and never come back? You are no longer a citizen and therefore released of your duty to serve. See ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think that there should be some way to get out of the military once you have enlisted other than death. Most of us can just quit our jobs if we want. But servicemen and women are not able to change their minds. My brother enlisted for 5 years when he was 21. Anything can happen in five years, and I think there ought to be an alternative for people who are so afraid that they go to Canada.</p>
<p>These deserters may be afraid, but I don&#8217;t think that makes them cowards anymore than any of us who may have not volunteered to serve at all.</p>
<p>Another thing&#8211;if you leave the country, isn&#8217;t that a fair deal? Leave and never come back? You are no longer a citizen and therefore released of your duty to serve. See ya.</p>
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		<title>By: DanGrantTx</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of our family friends live in the Western provinces, and they consider the draft dodgers and deserters to be freeloading losers.  I second their opinion.  I hope the Canadian supreme court kicks them back to the US to stand trial for their crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of our family friends live in the Western provinces, and they consider the draft dodgers and deserters to be freeloading losers.  I second their opinion.  I hope the Canadian supreme court kicks them back to the US to stand trial for their crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: jimC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jose,

I want to thank you for everything you&#039;ve done for this country. I have a cousin that served in Mosul for a year, and has finally come back. From what I&#039;ve heard, he doesn&#039;t talk much about what went on.

I just want you to know that in my opinion, you guys are heroes! You all are the real courageous ones.

These cowards that ran off to Canada when time came to serve their country as they promised should recieve the maximum allowable punishment under the UCMJ.

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose,</p>
<p>I want to thank you for everything you&#8217;ve done for this country. I have a cousin that served in Mosul for a year, and has finally come back. From what I&#8217;ve heard, he doesn&#8217;t talk much about what went on.</p>
<p>I just want you to know that in my opinion, you guys are heroes! You all are the real courageous ones.</p>
<p>These cowards that ran off to Canada when time came to serve their country as they promised should recieve the maximum allowable punishment under the UCMJ.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: swj719AWG</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>atxcowgirl said: &lt;blockquote&gt;My brother went off to do his duty in Vietnam in ‘69 at 20 yrs old and returned home in a casket. An uncle was stationed in Germany during the war. I have NO sympathy for these deserters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
My dad enlisted in the Army for Vietnam, even though his draft number was high.  My uncle had a low-ish number, but was &quot;stationed in Canada&quot;, if you get my meaning...
Though it is unfortunate these two guys are in the military.

I mean, what kind of idiot enlists and thinks they won&#039;t have to go fight?

Patton would have slapped the crap outta both of them.</description>
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<blockquote>My brother went off to do his duty in Vietnam in ‘69 at 20 yrs old and returned home in a casket. An uncle was stationed in Germany during the war. I have NO sympathy for these deserters.</p></blockquote>
<p>My dad enlisted in the Army for Vietnam, even though his draft number was high.  My uncle had a low-ish number, but was &#8220;stationed in Canada&#8221;, if you get my meaning&#8230;<br />
Though it is unfortunate these two guys are in the military.</p>
<p>I mean, what kind of idiot enlists and thinks they won&#8217;t have to go fight?</p>
<p>Patton would have slapped the crap outta both of them.</p>
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		<title>By: 1frozenmigra</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The USBP caught a couple of Marines trying to sneak into Canada a couple of years ago.  The USBP agent who caught them, a former Marine.  Man, he had their 1st Sgt on the phone so fast.  I think it was on the USMC B-Day when the Marines arrived to bring their butts back....I am glad to see Canada sending them back.

I was in Afghanistan with the Canadians.  We lost a soldier each back on March 29th, 2005.  So, they have their sons, daughters, parents and brothers and sisters in harm&#039;s way too.  It is no wonder our cowards will not be welcome in a country that has it&#039;s people standing on the front lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USBP caught a couple of Marines trying to sneak into Canada a couple of years ago.  The USBP agent who caught them, a former Marine.  Man, he had their 1st Sgt on the phone so fast.  I think it was on the USMC B-Day when the Marines arrived to bring their butts back&#8230;.I am glad to see Canada sending them back.</p>
<p>I was in Afghanistan with the Canadians.  We lost a soldier each back on March 29th, 2005.  So, they have their sons, daughters, parents and brothers and sisters in harm&#8217;s way too.  It is no wonder our cowards will not be welcome in a country that has it&#8217;s people standing on the front lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Diary of A Hollywood Refugee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diary of A Hollywood Refugee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Men Without Honour...&lt;/strong&gt;

The Supreme Court of Canada refused to hear appeals from Jeremy Hinzman and another deserter, Brandon Hughey, who applied for refugee status on the grounds of their opposition to the war in Iraq.  The Supreme Court did not give a reason for their dec.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Men Without Honour&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The Supreme Court of Canada refused to hear appeals from Jeremy Hinzman and another deserter, Brandon Hughey, who applied for refugee status on the grounds of their opposition to the war in Iraq.  The Supreme Court did not give a reason for their dec&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: gunslingerpatriot</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oldnavyfart-
The BCD (aka Big Chicken Dinner)/Bad Conduct Discharge is worse than a dishonorable discharge by a New York mile.

If my memory serves me correctly; a person with a DHD can still own firearms, and get gov&#039;t backed college scharlorships (sp?), BUT-a person with a BCD cannot own firearms, loses all veterans preferences, and cannot receive gov&#039;t scharlorships (sp?)at all.

To really make these gentlemen pay, take them to courts-martial, if they are found guilty, and then punish them accordingly. This way even if they get a DHD, they are still convicted felons and lose the right to own a firearm, or even vote.  Additionally, I would give them the option if they want to remain in this country they accept whatever punishment the SCM gives, if not-then they can petition a foreign government and immigrate there and simulataneously rake away their American citizenship.

But I am sick little squid, my suggestion is to send them to courts-martial, convict them, and send them home on a flight wearing baby blue pajamas with the word &lt;em&gt;Coward&lt;/em&gt; writtten on the back.

A little public humilation can be a wonderful thing.

GSP :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldnavyfart-<br />
The BCD (aka Big Chicken Dinner)/Bad Conduct Discharge is worse than a dishonorable discharge by a New York mile.</p>
<p>If my memory serves me correctly; a person with a DHD can still own firearms, and get gov&#8217;t backed college scharlorships (sp?), BUT-a person with a BCD cannot own firearms, loses all veterans preferences, and cannot receive gov&#8217;t scharlorships (sp?)at all.</p>
<p>To really make these gentlemen pay, take them to courts-martial, if they are found guilty, and then punish them accordingly. This way even if they get a DHD, they are still convicted felons and lose the right to own a firearm, or even vote.  Additionally, I would give them the option if they want to remain in this country they accept whatever punishment the SCM gives, if not-then they can petition a foreign government and immigrate there and simulataneously rake away their American citizenship.</p>
<p>But I am sick little squid, my suggestion is to send them to courts-martial, convict them, and send them home on a flight wearing baby blue pajamas with the word <em>Coward</em> writtten on the back.</p>
<p>A little public humilation can be a wonderful thing.</p>
<p>GSP <img src='http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/themes/mm/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: twoninerkilo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put the cowards against a wall, and let the fireing squad do their duty. I&#039;d like to voluteer for that duty, others too, I bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put the cowards against a wall, and let the fireing squad do their duty. I&#8217;d like to voluteer for that duty, others too, I bet.</p>
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		<title>By: ttevolla</title>
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		<dc:creator>ttevolla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAGNABBIT To The Tenth Power!
Im always a day late and a 1.50 short to the lead up to a banning. My curiousity to what was said will be on overdrive for the rest of the day...</description>
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Im always a day late and a 1.50 short to the lead up to a banning. My curiousity to what was said will be on overdrive for the rest of the day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: OldNavyFart</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that these deserters deserve prison time and a Dishonorable Discharge and not the &quot;Big Chicken Dinner&quot; BCD.  I volunteered to serve my country at the end of Viet Nam and stayed in until I was injured in a car accident that caused a spinal cord injury that caused motor skill problems.
I have no sympathy for this Hoser, however, I feel sorry for his child and his family who know his shame.
How do you look at your comrades when you go back to face justice.  Nobody really likes war and wants to die but sacrifices have been made throughout history by men willing to fight what they feel was right and for honor.  Send him to Hugo Chavez fight for him.
Not in my military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that these deserters deserve prison time and a Dishonorable Discharge and not the &#8220;Big Chicken Dinner&#8221; BCD.  I volunteered to serve my country at the end of Viet Nam and stayed in until I was injured in a car accident that caused a spinal cord injury that caused motor skill problems.<br />
I have no sympathy for this Hoser, however, I feel sorry for his child and his family who know his shame.<br />
How do you look at your comrades when you go back to face justice.  Nobody really likes war and wants to die but sacrifices have been made throughout history by men willing to fight what they feel was right and for honor.  Send him to Hugo Chavez fight for him.<br />
Not in my military.</p>
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		<title>By: Grey Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grey Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#113

York wasn&#039;t a concientious objector. He was urged to file for that status by his family and fiancee, but decided that warfare in a just cause was morally permissible. The movie is great, but gets a couple of things wrong and that is one of them.</description>
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<p>York wasn&#8217;t a concientious objector. He was urged to file for that status by his family and fiancee, but decided that warfare in a just cause was morally permissible. The movie is great, but gets a couple of things wrong and that is one of them.</p>
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