Democrat admits: S-CHIP is the universal health care Trojan Horse
I’ve said it all along: The Democrats’ massive S-CHIP expansion is a Trojan Horse for Hillarycare. Now, we get it straight from the horse’s mouth. A Hill source sends an audio clip of former Iowa Dem. Governor Tom Vilsack at Drake University on Nov. 16 describing how S-CHIP will help achieve those universal entitlement ends:
Transcript:
“I think there is going to be a commitment to universal coverage. I don’t think it’s necessarily going to be a sector by sector process. I think you either need to go in whole hog or not. We tried to sort of squeeze the middle here with doing children and doing seniors, and trying to squeeze it. If anything happens, it would more likely look something like this: you would extend eligibility for children from 200% of poverty to 300% of poverty, and create resources to insure the parents of those children.”
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The only surprise here - if you want to call it that - is that they were stupid enough to admit it.
Remember that they can’t tell us what they really want, they have to hide it behind “it’s for the children”.
::: rolls eyes :::
Finally somebody on the left comes out and tells it like it is. I am still hearing the whinny liberal add on the radio about our evil Congressmen from Idaho not wanting to vote for this expansion of this program into socialized medicine. They hate the children! I have visited Congressman Bill Sali and Mike Simpson’s websites and they both remain strongly against this socialist trick. S-CHIP only needs to be funded and operated at it’s current level or as General Benny Davis (CINCSAC) once stated to a bunch of us in my flying days if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, if it is you had better be all over it or I’ll be all over you.
It doesn’t take any admission from the liberals to confirm what we all know: Anytime the democrats parade out the children it’s code for universal health care.
This is the very essence of Fabian socialism.
What cannot be done going in under their own colors, they do by careful degrees of deception.
It is, by definition, insidious, deceptive, and anti-democratic. Giving us what is good for us, like it or not…truthfully or not…good for us or not.
Just say no to socialized medicine. Our current system ranks among the best in the world, why fix it?
OT- Does anybody have extended q-tips or something I can use to poke out my ear drums? I just listened to Killery signing the national anthem and I want to insure that I NEVER EVER hear that again.
Back on topic
Vilsack brought up seniors - well, Medicare may not be perfect but to add to that coverage will break the whole system, and the taxpayer. To add another huge govn’t program will be staggering in size.
All too often, something that other people pay for is abused, and thought to be free. Cannot remember the exact total $$ on Medicare/Medicaid fraud, but I’d bet S-Chip is just as vulnerable and full of holes. I’d feel better about it if they’d even suggest they clean up the fraud in those programs before starting another venture.
Ragspiere, you are dead on with your analysis.
Ragspierre - sorry for the mispelling.
HillaryCare was whacked the last time; the argument for HillaryCare hasn’t been developed with any integrity since then- as demonstrated by the recent debacle.
Stay alert and fight like hell. It is not inevitable. (Nor is her election to the Presidency. The woman can’t even tip the “little people” let alone “meet their needs”.)
Anyone know why the Dems are so invested in defeat–at all levels of their discourse? It’s spawned an industry of defeat ala Hollywood, NYT, LAT, NBC, MSM in general. Anything that’s bad for the US is what they grasp and promote. Just today Sen.Bob Casey, in the Dem reply to the Pres’ radio address, tried to keep alive Harry Reid’s defeatest anthem of “the war is lost.’ Does he not see that the war is already won?? It’s now a mopping up operation in Iraq and Afghan.
The Dems and their supporters have made an industry of what used to be called the vilest form of profiteering–War Profiteering. You remember, what they say Halliburton and Cheney were guilty of. Well their attempts to profit from defeat, making it a cause and an industry, is the vilest form of profiteering. What could be worse than profiteering from war? Profiteering from defeat!
Show me, please, where in the Constitution health care is defined as a right. When did doctors morph into something more than human who are “above” (or beneath?) getting paid?
My concern continues to be that people are becoming entirely too dependent upon the government rather than becoming more independent and providing for themselves and their families. Once people become dependent upon the government through entitlement programs they lose all interest in becoming self sufficient. Then, once they become dependendent upon the government the government can do anything it likes and the people will have to go along with it because they are dependent upon the government. They surrender their dreams, their aspirations, their convictions, and their very lives to fascists who pander to them promising great prosperity and liberty if they will just vote for them.
I just can’t see America getting behind this. As much as the MSM promotes the libs agenda, it does not concern me… the ratings & readership rates for the MSM are dropping faster than than Congress’s approval rating. The people are speaking.
No, I say 2008 ends our 40 years in the wilderness.
They are just playing to their base….. Democrat voters want universal health care. Look for the rhetoric to be toned down in the primary election….. I suspect they will run the “John Kerry, I’m afraid to stand for anything” play book once the primary rolls around. Sadly, it almost worked against Bush in the last presidential election. Thank God for those swift boat adds!
24Klady…thank you. Honored.
What all this is pointing to is the tragic realization of what great thinkers on democracy have said for centuries; democracy, if untrammeled, becomes the tyranny of the majority. That is why the Framers gave us a republic, specifically designed to alloy pure democracy with limits on what the state could do.
What Hillary and the other Leftists are now attempting is to subvert the middle class into the biggest, most hungry dependant class one can imagine; the best fed, highest-living serfs in history, yoked to the Barons of big government.
Larry#12 - the liberals pushing the agenda will first have to settle the matter of more than one political party, which I don’t think is too hard to imagine at this point.
eclectic#11 - your point on doctors is well taken. Remove the incentive of doing well for their patients and their families, they might as well cut their frustration level and their time spent in school. It won’t be worth it. I’m just licking my chops waiting for it to dawn on the “Edward’s school of law cronies” to realize if we go socialized on medicine the govn’t will have to place a cap on medical malpractice suits/settlements. Whew, just like that, an unpleasant part of our society will be wiped out. What doctors stand to lose is nothing compared to the high profile lawyers.
As Stalin once said (and I’m paraphrasing), you don’t take away liberty all at once. You take it away, little by little, so that, one day, they wake up and find it all gone.
Did anyone read about the Canadian ambulance that was stopped at the border with Detroit…siren and lights flashing? They were taking a heart patient to Detroit for “life-saving” surgery and had to defrib the patient twice on the way. Hmm. What’s the matter with your hospitals, Canadians? Oh, yes…socialized medicine.
Its also laughable that this is exactly what the Dems accuse the Bush administration of doing every chance they get. I’m sorry, but the only party causing me to lose constitutional rights are those damn Democrats!
This is not Government by the people for the people, this is Socialism. The fact that they have to use subterfuge to try and enact universal healthcare, proves this. If everyone was for it, they could come out into the open. The arrogance of our elected officials knows no bounds.
Liberal Speak. create resources=massive tax hike.
Eclectic, you have to remember the Constitution is a “living document”, so any desired right can be conveniently found in it. Besides, it was written by rich, privliged, and now dead white men so it really isn’t relevant anyways. The proposed consitution of the European Union is what we should be using as a standard.
And why do you hate children so much as proven by your doubting health care is a right?
troll alert
jsr = troll
jsr, there are sooooooooo many things wrong with that statement, that I wouldn’t know where to begin!
In post #6, John Ansell said:
OT- Does anybody have extended q-tips or something I can use to poke out my ear drums? I just listened to Killery signing the national anthem and I want to insure that I NEVER EVER hear that again.
Forget waterboarding; THAT”S torture!!!
Scam-CHIP to hillycare. What’s next for the Hildabeast, income confiscation?
#22
This MUST be satirical. I’m sure no one would be so foolish as to use such blatant talking points from MoveOn.org or Kos type nimrods. True?
Thats what she wants to do with “Big Oil’s” Revenues……. Which by the way would impact every hard working American out there with a 401k. So the answer to your question is, YES!
Once they pass universl healthcare we will all be going to government doctors.
Then they will put liberal moonbat DNA in our flu shots turning us into them.
Now, that they think Hillary will win, they’re just letting it all hang out.
Raging Republic
That was sarcasm. I thought it was obvious but I forgot that there are people that actually believe (and say)these things.
Yes, you must give full disclosure next time, my friend.
An actual issue on a blog! Let’s talk about it.
* US health care is not so great. We pay twice as much as any other advanced ecomony and our health is either not better of worse. Here’s one true story: A French guy living in New York City and has US health and dental insurance through his employer (supposedly the best health care in the world). He gets a toothache. After mulling it over for about a minute, he decides its cheaper and better to fly to Paris & have it fixed by competent French dentists than risk the US system.
* Most current health care plans are not “Hillarycare”, even Senator Clinton’s. Hillarycare (proposed in 1993(?) by Hillary Clinton’s health care commission) was a government run single payer system. Current proposals are for mandated & subsidized private health insurance, like the system Romney worked for in Massachusetts. So far, about 80% of the previously uninsured in Massachusetts now are insured. It’s not perfect, but it’s better than before.
* It’s true that many supporters regard S-CHIP as one step toward a better health care system. That in itself doesn’t make it wrong.
* Democrats secretly want to weaken the US health care system to weaken America so that our soldiers (whom we hate) will be no match for the
SovietsIslamofascistsIraniansVenezuelans who are about to invade America.The old and I mean old “Foot in the door”.
Got it the first time jrs, (NYC is the world capital of sarcasm, proof? the UN is here).
A real lib would have digressed into global warming, followed by an attack on Bush & an anti war rant.
This has been creeping up on us since the 1930s. First, FDR with his various New Deal programs, then LBJ with his ‘Great Society’ programs in the 1960s, the PC movement in the 1990s, along with HillaryCare, and now, viola, the Nanny State is upon us, nipping at our heels, and she isn’t going to go away quietly.
Thats very true…… I failed to notice that he never said ‘George Bush is the Anti-Christ; I support the troops’. My bad!
That French guy should have tried dentists around the D.C. area. I recently had teeth problems and got to see a dentist right away. Work was done and I’m doing just fine.
#31 - jsr, I gottcha. But, then, I’m pretty warped…I actually thought it sounded just like a rant out of HRH Pelosi’s talking points.
Shrillery’s thoughts mirror the same dogma about us evil people that refuse to go along with an expansion, of whatever is deemed to be needing expansion, and consider us thoughtless and uncaring.
lgm, better maybe but I doubt it… cheaper? LOL he would be paying in EUROs, nice try. (unless of course he was still on their dole) The folks I know from France (former NYers) come here for their dental work & they stock up on deodorant when in town.
Of course, the whole subject of socialized healthcare is academic. Aren’t we all supposed to die from global warming anyway? Between that, meteors, Yellowstone supervolcanos, massive hurricanes/earthquakes, tsunamis, and Lord knows what else that the MSM says COULD happen tomorrow, what difference does it make?
To all:
The really sad part part of this is, as I said, there really are people that think like this. If I had posted that as KOS it would have blended right in. I here this garbage everytime I go to a party where there are lots of liberals. I was in San Fran a few months ago and statements like this were considered mainstream. when I hear this drivel I can only think, as RR said, I don’t even know where to start.
graysonret, we are not ALL going to die… some of us bought carbon credits!
lgm#33, that was /sarc right? Any person with fully paid health/dental insurance and neglects his dental health to the point he needs emergency treatment is to be held up as an example for America’s failure at what? Methinks there is a whole lot more to this story. All I can say is that guy must hold the world’s record on frequent flyer miles.
Dang, Brooklynred….good for you!! Of course, I forgot to mention SARS, bird flu, TB, super flu, MRSA, and e-boli.
Once the Democrats take over health-care in this country, it will be pretty much over. There is not much else in the economy the government does not control/regulate/dominate. And once the Party of Death has health-care, they will be able to ration and partition it among favored groups, and of course deny it to others.
What people need to understand is that the Democrat Party is rapidly morphing into a traditional Euro-socialist (”national/international” take your pick) model — where Party membership is strictly controlled, transcends all other interests, and you can leave the Party only in a box.
Wait a minuet, are you saying my carbon credits won’t protect me from bird flu? (Al G. swore they would)
Oh well I can only hope that riding the subway every day has built up my immunities…
As long as you pay for a “carbon credit” to an approved (by the high priest, Al Gore) company to plant (??) a tree, you are saved, brooklyn red. Go and sin no more.
Whew! thank you! I can’t wait till clinton is prez so I can put carbon credits in my 401k!
No, no, no, Brooklyn red. You just don’t get it yet. You have a 401K? Ah, sorry. You see, you’re one of the rich! Sorry, whatever carbon credits you put in, will be wiped out, once the Dems get rid of those evil Bush tax cuts. Plus, the extra tax that Sharpton has in mind, will make sure that your 401K makes you poor enough to be dependent on them. Your only hope is that your carbon credits are tax-deductible. Hmm…I’m writing Hillary.
Wait… tax deductions ARE a sin! Who ARE you?
Once the Dems get control, anything that reduces your tax bill (including deductions) will be a sin. As Hillary said…the country can’t afford my ideas/programs. So, since we can’t “afford” these ideas, I imagine everything will be taxed. Err…sorry…everything but what will reduce “global warming”, per Al Gore. Somehow, this reminds me of Martin Luther (1517), and the indulgences of the Church. Well, in this case, the global warming church.
lgm,
That dental story was a hoot! unreal. you cant swing a dead cat without hitting a Great dentist in the U.S.
flying to france…. pahleezeeeeee.
What a bunch of baloney.
and he had insurance you say?
The BS meter just blew up.
Excluding socialist programs like S-chip, Medicare and Medicaid, we have the best health care system on the planet. Shillery care is not about health, it is about socialism and control over us. Remember, when she was in college Shillery showed a great admiration for Joe Stalin>. I am willing to bet she still holds that admiration, along with Castro and Chuvzit.
Yeah, but who in the Treason Media is going to report the facts as they really are? They’re goose-stepping with the Dems fascist-socialist agenda, so we can expect them to be on the attack against those like Rush and Michelle who dare point out the true Dem agenda.
I dread to think about the tax consequences of a Hillary administration.
I just had the unique (for me, at least) experience of owing AMT on negative income for 2006, taking legitimate deductions.
AJ #53, I just fell of my chair laughing. I absolutely must ask my dentist if he’s ever seen a dead cat whooshing by looking for a dentist (on his way to France no less). Back to cooking….
Thanks for the laugh 24K..if HC has her way we will all
look like the Brits when we smile. They have to build up points to have dental work done. I read that during
and after WWII people in their 20s used to have all of
their teeth pulled because false teeth were so much
more attractive. I heard from my Dr when I asked about this that they still do this in Britain.
This is what she wants for the people in “her” country
when she proposes her healthcare plan.
Bottom line: socialism calls for 100% tax.
They seem to never mention the one group that I think is the most important,THE DOCTORS,the ones I know say not in our lifetime.
Yes…liberals hate capitalism and “inequality” so much they would prefer to punish the “haves” by making everyone a “have not”.
Their first aim is health care, because socialized medicine is basically equal crap-tacular care for everyone.
Then who knows what’s next - housing? Cars? Children?
They are so insistent on creating their little socialist utopia they don’t care who they destroy in the process.
I wonder if HRC was born wanting to be HRH.
bingo
allrsn:
When I’m right, I’m right. What can I say?
I mean - how many of us said S-CHIP was backdoor socialized medicine? And now we have confirmation of that from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.
I’m glad you all brought this up. I have been thinking lately that the term ‘taxpayer’ disgusts me.
We are not citizens by virtue of the fact that the government seizes our assets! We are given those rights by our Creator, made citizens by the Constitutional order bought in the blood of patriots!
I do not buy my rights or my citizenship with my taxes. It is quite literally my birthright, and failing that I would have bought it with my service.
As patriots, I move that we renounce the term ‘taxpayer’ as a term of entitlement; no longer should this financial designation be synonymous with citizen!
Also, this story is scary. George Orwell, call your office.
To follow the Trojan Horse metaphor to its prophetic conclusions, the gullible idiots of Troy believed it was a real gift and giddily let it inside the city gates.
The one man in the crowd who shouted: ARE YOU TROJANS CRAZY? was a priest named Laocoon. He was ridiculed and suffered a grisly death on the spot.
Lots of gullible republicans have been suckered by the horse, and when we complain they call us the loud ones.
Well [nb jsr] if we go the demo route and give up our health care system and let the government run it [like the EU] we will solve one problem, we wont have invaders coming for free health care.
If the demo’s really cared they would let us stupid citizens vote on this issue unlike the elite EU leaders that are ramming a constitution through without a vote by the citizenry.
People would have to be brain dead not to see what the Dems are trying to accomplish. This LBJ’s Great Society
Part II .
One more thought. I get so angry at my “Republican” senator Olympia Snowe of Maine. That women is a socialist Democrat in disguise. She fights for SCHIP and all the other welfare programs. She got elected in 2006 with 70 percent of the vote. That doesn’t say much for the intelligence of people here in Maine. Grrr
I have seen some determined pols in my day but this
batch nowadays are so openly socialist and so determined to ram their leftist ideas down our throats
no matter how we protest. It’s as if they believe that
they were called by God (who of course they would
deny exists) to run OUR country their way! We can only
pray for enlightenment among their constituents when
it comes time for their reelections!!!
I found this letter from a well to do individual that not only linked SCHIP to universal health care, but frankly made the issue one of duty and morality.
Again, we can snicker at such tactics, but I firmly believe universal health care and other quasi socialist ideas can be sold successfully to the masses if framed properly.
Merely pointing out that SCHIP is ultimately a pre requisite to universal health care is not going to win the debate. The Dems have successfully made people believe that our free market health care system is an utter failure. While I know, and most here, that this is pure nonsense, we all must come to the realization that this is the curren reality.
The only way to win is to fight fire with fire. I have come up with several ideas myself in which we can fight fire with fire.
I firmly do not believe that merely exposing their ultimate intentions is enough. It is not enough to argue logic or facts. That may be the right arguement with the sophisticated, however the majority of Americans aren’t so sophisticated.
The strongest arguement against universal health care comes from a Canadian MP who went to America to treat her cancer. If a powerful politician can’t break through the red tape of universal health care what are the chances for the commoner?
And I thought “creating resources” was like, ya know, transmutation of Kansas prairie into ginormous oil fields.
Those Dems can do miracles!
Here’s just a little taste of what we may face if this and other measures to socialize our medical services: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927469/posts . I feel for the good folks of Massachusetts. Governor Romney set them up before leaving to run for President. One of the many reasons I do not trust this man. He really is RINO lite. It is a great cautionary tale of the doom to come if the Democrats get their way at the national level.
#22
The Constitution has nothing to do with healthcare. All government programs are un-constitutional. It has to do with Congresses enumerated powers.
The framers made it VERY clear the government wasn’t to give charity to the people. Go read up on John Adams.
While on the subject of the Constitution, while most misinformed people believe that the core of rights contained therein is in the Bill of Rights, the real core of rights is Article I, Section 8, the powers of Congress which, when coupled with the 10th Amendment, essentially says that the Federal government cannot do anything unless it is on that list, or covered by an Amendment (such as the income tax, covered by he 16th Amendment). So, unconstitutional are:
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Food Stamps
Public Housing
Welfare programs
EPA/environmental regulations
OSHA/workplace safety regulations
Wagner Act (forced negotiations with unions)
Minimum wage
Child labor laws
Product liability laws
Anti-discrimination laws (at least by non-government entities)
And I could go on…
If the democrat party had any interest in enforcing the Constitution, they would demand every one of these be eliminated immediately, period. Fat chance.
LGM -
Oh, good…Some French Guy with a tooth ache…
How about Liberal MP Belinda Stronach of Canada coming to US to have cancer treatment.
As far as your mystery FRENCH guy, tell him to lay off the sweets.
xler8bmw, They use the “welfare clause” of the preamble, as their “authority” to write any program they wish. They hope no-one pays attention to the 10th amendment. Yes, Adams is a good read, but Madison said it better when discussing the purpose of the 10th amendment to offset the welfare clause. Remember, the Constitution is now a “living, breathing” document to the liberals…whatever that means. Never saw a parchment live and breathe.
#77 The constitution isn’t a living document never was written that way unless you live in the SP liberal world. Both Madison and Adams made it VERY clear No charity to the people. Your post is way off center.
These progams are out of the scope of congresses enumerated powers.
Free,
if it is a true story, why is there no link or no name to this French guy?
Free?
I believe the genteeele-man in #79 was refering to Feebs? Am I correct?
the Little Green Moonbat is clearly pulling this out of his tukis.
Last time I went to the dentist it was professional and painless, he scheduled necessary work for a time convenient to my schedule, and the work was done painlessly and professionally.
There is no “US system”, half-wit. That’s why our dentists haven’t slipped into the mediocrity of socialism.
Maybe if the Dems are finally being honest, they will admit they are in favor of illegal immigration because it provides them with voters.