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Gee, do you think Watershed and the other idiot went over to those sites and promoted this film, blowing out all that stuff about how “both sides needs to be shown for the truth to be known”?
No. Of course not. Buck is too busy being a hate filled troll, and the two of them are too busy being hypocrites. You will never see them going to any of the hate sites promoting anything good, posting about the humanitarian things that the military has done, the schools and hospitals they have opened, the children they have helped…
They only have on mission in life, and that is to go around with their sanctimonious crud letting loose wth their Liberal sycophantic non-sense and trying to make themselves appear to be the voices of justice and reason.
Too bad they haven’t learned that people see through that stuff here. Otherwise they would have moved on long ago.
Unless they go and do like I mentioned above, them coming here and talking about “truth” is nothing more than empty words by those that wouldn’t know truth if it hit them in the rump.
Ooooh! I like that one. Sounds awfully familiar. Is it attributable to someone? You? Did you make that up?
Consider it stolen.
Good post Jim M. I’m a pretty big 1st amendment guy, so I don’t fully agree with everything you said as it relates to the movie, but I very much appreciate the horsepower behind the comment.
Sorry, just wanted to clarify one additional item. My reference to “Navy” was to the US Navy, not to navywife91. My mom was a “Navy wife” for 25 years, so there’s no way I’m going to make a negative comment about navywife91 or any other Navy wife.
RM
Re- “Googoo” constitutional viewpoint
You have your on view of the Constitution, I have mine. Kindly understand though, that I’m not sure if your Mod response INSIDE my own post was an offer to spark debate or a threat against same. I don’t know how you Mod here, and want to make sure I don’t cross the line if I engage and debate what I consider your shortsighted opinion of the Bill of Rights.
Re: “hypersensitivity”
I do not throw even ONE personal insult here, yet get myriad personal insults and the word “treason” used constantly against me. Maybe you just saw it for the first time here, maybe not. (I’m guessing not.) However, that attitude is par for the course on this board. Our hostess, of course, calls liberals and Democrats “moonbats” and other such insults daily, so I should expect that level of discourse. But maybe, just maybe, you should expect a little bit of defensiveness in return, and not have to throw the big Mod in my face when I do.
Wow, it looks like a whole lot happen while I was gone.
Jim, you’ve always been a guy I could disagree with, but could understand your point, but you’ve shocked me here on this thread. It’s totally cheap to make accusations without citing to an e.g. of what you’re talking about. Acting like you’re above it, just allows you to weasel your way out of addressing the issue. Is is attacking the Straw Dud
It seems to me that Dakine and Watershed have offered opinions with common sense and reason, even though one can disagree with them. There is no connect to their comments and allegations of lack of patriotism.
The funny thing is, it looks like eveyone on this thread is happy God and Country got made, and hope it does well.
Oh yeah, Trinity, Soap, Jim, or somebody wondered whether some of us moderates(your lefties I guess) challenge/condemn some of the leftwing extremists on the far left sites. I do.
I won’t be seeing Redacted, but I don’t believe in making the broad assumption that it’s going to get soldiers killed. Islamic Jihadists already have their twisted reasons for hating us, and I don’t necessarily buy into the notion that a film with actors and actresses will suddenly make the proverbial light bulb come on. They have Aljazeera already, and if the Jihadists get ahold of any true documentary footage similar to the links Watershed showed above, that would more realisticly fuel the flames than ACTING. In following your logic, those soldiers in Watershed’s video links are getting their own fellow troops killed. That’s just my opinion. Again, hopefully God and Country does well, and if my posts make me seem unpatriotic, or trollish, I don’t get it. Oh well, just like me you’re all just some Joe or Jane on a computer voicing an opinion, I don’t think I need to give my government uniform credentials to do that, or feel guilty about doing it.
Dear Watershed:
So you rise up and decry the attitude that first labled us “Chickenhawks”, “Wingnuts”, and “homophobic racists”, not to mention the statements about Tony Snow’s cancer, Cheney and being blown up, and the countless othertimes the left has VERY publicly called for or wished death on a conservative?
If your response is yes, I’m rather afraid I’ll need to ask for you to provide links as proof.
It’s not that I don’t believe you so much as I think you’ll lie.
Ok, so techically that means I don’t trust you. Details details.
Also, I can’t help but notice that you did not in any way/shape/form answer USMCGramma.
What, exactly, have you done to support the troops? Using phrases like “Bush lied, people died” and “no blood for oil” or “bushitler” don’t count, just so you know.
What non-politicized act have you undertaken to support the troops?
darnit… looks like “bush*tler” tosses a comment into the filter. Rick (or Michelle), if you would pretty please recover it for me, would be most appriciated.
Or I can wait more than 20 seconds… *sigh*
I should go back to bed….
In my opinion, anyone that says they support the troops (but not the war) should be willing, even enthusiastic, to say exactly what it is they are doing. I was asking for some elaboration. It would be nice to know what members of Congress are doing, too. Baking brownies? Knitting slippers? Mailing care packages? It’s a fair question.
#109
Why does someone who says “I support the troops and the the war” not get the same questions from you? Somehow a ribbon on a car window satisfies that need for elaboration?
You only want to question those who you disagree with politically, and you don’t see the disconnect.
By the way, I have contributed much to many veterans advocacy groups over the years, the most recent being Vote Vets.org.
Such groups do not benefit our service members. The one you have cited is a left wing advocacy group headed by Wesley Clark – the General who was removed from a command position due to “character issues”. Clark is in George Soros’ back pocket.
More than a little disingenious to feign support of the troops by funding organizations that mock their sacrifice, even if it is run by so called veterans.
Leepro.
By the way, If you can’t stand behind our troops please feel free to stand in front of them
This statement is used multiple time every day on the PGR website. I have never seen it attributed to any specific author. In fact a search of the internet did not produce the name of the author but it did show up on thousands of websites.
So, I do not believe that my use of the quote was inappropriate. If you can find the name of the author, please let me know. Besides I was offering it as advice.
#17
Watershed:That I simply acknowledge that there is excellent evidence that they sometimes do quite the opposite of good doesn’t mean I don’t support them. That’s your frame, not mine.
Ahem..clears throat. That you missed what I said about always hearing the bad from the MSM and there not being a need to be reminded of it…well that does not surprise me since reading the rest of your posts.
Frankly I am not quite that naive to not know that there are bad apples in every crate. However..the MSM and people like yourself feel a duty to shine a light on these few…YES few. Rarely are the true and real good men and women and their good deeds highlighted. THAT is the sham and quite dishonorable, misleading and false. To feel a need to push your “balanced agenda” in a post where finally the good men and women were being put in the spotlight FINALLY, makes people like me question your motive. This post has disintegrated into something that ..well just makes me shake my head. It should have been a celebration of the good deeds and applauded and given its rightful honor.
I am so tired of the constant tearing down of so many good men and women who sacrifice so much for so many. Your reminders of the bad had no place in here. Just once I would like to see us stand and applaud and honor those that deserve it without someone feeling the need to remind us of the small percentage of the dishonorable. Those that bring this dishonor to those that serve with integrity are the lowest of lows in my book. Having said that….
This moment …this post belonged to those that have my undying gratitude and respect. I would like to see that it returns to them.
God bless our troops …and may they know ..how much we do regard them and appreciate them!!!!
All,
This posted on Monica Crowley’s blog it is a link to give thanks to the troops on Thanksgiving you can leave your text message.
http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/AmericaSupportsYou/Thanks/
This is Monica’s original blog in case any want to read.
http://monicamemo.typepad.com/weblog/2007/11/thanking-our-tr.html
donnab13, #113,
Nice.
Here’s another link to send a card to our troops
http://letssaythanks.com/Home1280.html
#113. Very well said.
#114, Amen to that. I agree, very well said.
Oops. I meant #114.
Mornin Katieanne. Could be a bad afternoon huh?
Now, most importatnly. I can’t wait for my copies of the video to arrive.
To all of our troops serving around the world. Thank you for defending my country. Thank you for your sacrifice and:
Happy Thanksgiving
Morning TrinityTim. Ordering my video today.
God’s blessings and grateful thanks to our brave fighting men and women. I salute you all.
Good Morning All
LOL Tim it was at #113..now moved to #114.
So it wasnt you. Grins.
Thanks all for the support and kind words.
Our men and women both in country and abroad…need to know that we see and acknowledge what they have accomplished. There is lots of good news…and I am grateful for this movie. God bless those that made it …may we now let others see what we know.
#111 A “Support the Troops” magnet on a car is positive statement and there is ample evidence on this site of the support shown by those who support the troops and support the war. Got that? PS My brother was killed in WWII to protect your freedom of speech. Use it wisely. Thanks!
I have a “Support the Troops” magnet on our car. I offered one to a friend who refused it, saying he thought those magnets were foolish as they would never change the minds of those who don’t support the troops. I countered that I didn’t put that magnet on our car to change anyone’s mind…it is on our car so that any military family and/or our troops who happened to see it would know that we support our military. It’s our way of saying thanks. Granted, a small way, but sincere nevertheless. My friend accepted a magnet and now he has one on his car.
Any way, big or small, that we call show how grateful we are for what our military and their families sacrifice for us is important. It’s the least I can do.
In my last paragraph in post #106, I accidently credited Watershed with providing certain links. Those links were actually provided by Sausage (post #4). Sorry Watershed and sorry sausage.
Recently, in a parking lot, I saw a car with a military
sticker on the windshield. A mother and three children
were about to enter the car. When I asked if they had
someone in the military (seabees it turned out) she
said yes, but said it rather apprehensively. I told her
to tell her husband thank you and thanked her for hers and her childrens sacrifice. She had tears in her
eyes and oldest son said they had just moved from CA
to TX because their house had had rocks thrown at it
and graffiti painted on it and their car had been keyed twice and they were called names by some of
their classmates.
I asked if anything like that had happened here and
he said no, but that his Grandpa would probably
shoot anyone that tried because they were living
with Daddy’s Father and Mother.
God Bless Texas!!!
TXRose,
Thank you for taking the time to thank that young lady and her family. Next time please feel free to speak for me as well.
The other night while paying my dinner bill at the local restaurant, I noticed an Army SSG waiting for his take out dinner. He had a Big Red One patch on his right shoulder and was holding a baby girl in his arms.
When his meal was ready, I asked the waitress for the check. He shook my hand and thanked me. I told him he and I had something in common. When I told him that I had also served in combat with the Big Red One many years ago, he gave me and my wife a big hug. By this time, two other men had already paid his check.
God bless our Troops. God bless America.
#114
There was a great HBO video, Baghdad ER, on the doctors in Iraq, I thought it was marvelous. I think that soldiers do great work all over the world. We agree there.
So why, when I say that videos like the ones above, showing the opposite of good behavior are just as important, and yes, necessary to show the full spectrum of the war experience, do I suddenly trurn into something you can’t understand? I am not out to get anyone. I believe in the free speech that has been defended by the constitution for centuries.
I think not to show a full picture of war on either side, bad or good, is a problem.
#112
“So called veterans”? Just another absurd way of saying you disagree with someones politics. You tend to dramaticize your differences to the point where anyone who disagrees with you isn’t American.
Might wanna check into that, because it’s an utterly ridiculous arguing point.
#123
I do use it wisely. Thanks.
Here’s some advice for you and many others here- don’t automatically question people’s patriotism whom you happen to disagree with politically. Thanks!
Sad commentary for what seems to be accepted behavior by many in California and Oregon.
The left doesn’t support the troops and never has. That’s why incidents like this occur. It’s appalling. And yes, God bless Texas.
#125
No sweat, Buck I.
So Watershed… Are you going to answer the first part of my question in #107?
And the very people who say “I support the troops but not the war” are the very people I question the support of most.
Because usually they are liars.
There’s a great post by ArmoredCav on this general topic over in the “Entertainers Who Support Our Troops” thread. He states the case about as well as it can be stated.
Thanks for tugging on the reins Rick (and Michelle). I’m sure George Washington would approve!
#114
Very very well said.
Watershed
You attempted to impress us with your contribution “to the troops”. Instead, you got caught in another one of your wild claims – your contributions were to political action group against the war.
Ans yes, I said “so called” veterans. Do you know for a fact that all those in that organization are veterans? Do you know how many “veterans” they claim as members?
Like I said, it is run by Wesley Clark, a man who was relieved of command. For an officer, that is the worst thing that can happen to you aside from a Courts Martial, and we don’t Courts Martial generals.
And Wesley Clark, in turn, is now the veterans mouthpiece of George Soros.
You did not contribute anything to the troops – you made a contribution to the anti war movement.
I would call your statement about contributing to the troops a real whopper. You did no such thing.
I missed southernboy’s demise.
#137
Wesley Clark, despite what you think about his politics, or try to downplay his career, is a retired four star general. He also disagrees with the war. Is he anti-troop?
Just cause you think his politics are wrong is another absolutely absurd reason to lump him and his PAC’s into your now enormous anti-American treason bag, which I guess must hold a good half of the country that votes Democratic.
You have to calm down here- lots of people, your fellow citizens, disagree with your politics. It doesn’t make them treasonists. The freedom to argue and discuss our difference of opinion is what makes America great.
#133
This site is funny.
I am being chastised by you for avoiding a question, and I am being chastised by Jim W. for answering that very same question.
Get it together fellas!
Who was relieved of his command in Bosnia for, shall we say, a lapse in judgement regarding bombing targets…
There’s a reason he’s called “The Mad Bosnian Bomber”
#133
Oh, looks like your asking a different question, my bad.
I am not sure what it is you’re asking, though. Provide links and proof that I demand a decent level of discourse be followed by both left and right (which I do, btw)? How exactly?
Strange game of gotcha you’re playing there.
Put another way, MacNamara was once Secretary of Defense, and Carter was once the President.
Doesn’t mean I have any respect for them what so ever. I’d refuse to shake either’s hand (in the case of MacNamara, it would be because, well, isn’t he dead?).
Voting Democrat doesn’t make someone a bad person. I have a bunch of friends who are Democrats, and several are even bleeding heart liberals.
What makes someone a bad person would be things like “General Betray-Us”, which I didn’t seem to hear Clark denouncing.
Peatraus is a SERVING General. Where was your outrage over the intention, blattant smearing of his honor and good name?
We’re merely calling Clark a shill-man for Soros. Soros called Peatraus a traitor.
Guess who has the moral high-ground here, you or us.
Here’s a hint in case you are perplexed: it isn’t you.
Yep Bear, S-boy was raptured – LOL!
#143
If you damn Soros, you must damn Richard Mellon Scaife and his ilk as well, but I’m sure you don’t cause you agree with his politics. Which is so convienient, isn’t it?
The political puppetmaster billionaire oligarch thing goes both ways. The right just has a great way of demonizing this particular one.
Some wonderful irony is that Soros is like a nightly scare topic on Fox, which is of course owned by billionaire oligarch Rupert Murdoch!
I’m copying this word for word from another thread because it’s so great. It’s specifically for those who have been calling me and others whose politics they disagree with treasonists lo these many posts. The poster’s name is ARMOREDCAV. He/she is cool.
There are a lot of opportunities for comment here; I don’t know where to begin. Most of the problems with many of these comments are the complete stereotyping going on. Most people who “support the troops but not the war” are just regular folks, like my relatives who, being from Washington, support the troops (me in particular) but are opposed to the war. No “cognitive dissonance”. I disagree with their views, but they are genunine. Guess what, I was against going into Kosovo and Bosnia, but was still for the military! No disconnect. Now, the egregious examples of these retarded celebrities are different. I don’t agree with that, but that is the extreme; don’t confuse them with vast majority who don’t have the platform or need to run their mouths. In the case of the celebs who are accused of visiting hospitals and all for ulterior motives; why would they want good press from an event that they adamantly oppose? With a crowd that is so virulently anti-military, would they create an artificial situation in which the press they got portrayed them 180 degrees out? No, so maybe some of them really do respect and appreciate the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines–While opposing the current mission of those same people. I certainly hope that they can, and I would appreciate it if they wouldn’t get too vocal in their opposition.
watershed, you twist, spin and mislead extremely well. You must be gifted.
katieanne,
I feel your pain sister. Geez. This thread was about a movie that – finally – might shed some light on the GOOD our troops have been doing. That just had to be twisted by “truthers” who just can’t seem to get enough of how bad our troops “really are”. Oh, it’s a 1st Amendment Right to say anything I want. There are just some things you just do not say i.e. “FIRE” in a movie theater. These hard working men and women have been doing so much good and the MSM and Congress have been remiss about giving them their due.
Murtha was the worst and he, as far as I (that is to say me) am concerned, he should have been impeached. Murtha is a goonbat.
“Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready
to do violence on their behalf.”
George Orwell
I don’t think the Socialist left especially care for George Orwell. With what is happening with the Socialist Agenda in this country, I would recommend everyone read or re read Orwell’s 1984.
To Watershed:
I am hoping that this time you read every word and not pick and choose those that fit you.
1)This thread is not about you. So please stop your rantings…Yes I think they are rantings.
2)I really hate repeating myself but since you have seemed to missed the point of this post to begin with here goes:
This post was a moment in time when those that serve us (and yes there are many many more good ones than bad) so honorably and with so much sacrifice and who really ask so little in return, could be applauded for the GOOD they do …day in ..day out…hot…cold…sleepless…lonely…
wind…rain…snow…or bleating desert heat…without complaint…with honor and dignity.
There are those of us who feel your reminders and stubborn resolve to inform us that not all is good…are ..how shall I say…..ummmmmmm RUDE.
They are inappropriate for this thread ..inappropriate to the extent that you have pounded them almost in every post.
Please stop. Please allow us the time to honor those that so deserve it.
Please allow those men and women JUST ONE MOMENT OF UNADULTERATED ESTEEM.
Thank you.
#150
I actually started off in this thread by responding to another post way up top, those three videos. I didn’t post them. I just said that journalistic integrity demands that all sides of a
story be exposed, and I understand why those vids matter, as unfortunate as the subject matter may be to us.
The pro-troop vid is just as valid, and I regard it as a good thing. I also commended good work of the military more than once. No rudeness from me!
(There are also quite a number of other sources for “positive” information about the military, if you feel this is the only one. It sounds like you might.)
#147
Odd charge.
Any concrete examples of such, or is that just a gut feeling you have?
To quote Stephen Colbert,
“We’re not brainiacs on the nerd patrol. We’re not members of the factinista. We go straight from the gut, right sir? That’s where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. I know some of you are going to say “I did look it up, and that’s not true.” That’s ’cause you looked it up in a book.
Next time, look it up in your gut.”
Watershed:
Cut me a break please. I know plenty of positive information…alas its not something we see too often. I could leave you with quite many…see the good does outweigh the bad…something people tend to not see but of which I am very aware. So please do not assume for me although I should appreciate your offer.
I stand by my sentiment that your other offerings or the amount of postings made to the point of almost hijacking this thread…were inappropriate.
Now if we may turn this post- yet once again I repeat myself..to the manner in which it was offered.
To pay tribute to those who serve honorably and rarely get (as you have proven) unadulterated applause and appreciation.
Have a good night. I will now put my attention and effort back to the positive. Take care.
donna…
You are so right. Unfortunately, watershed and his fellow trolls just refuse to let go. Their claim that journalistic integrity requires the inclusion of the bad doesn’t wash. If that was the case, the NY Times, NBC, and all the others would qualify as tabloid journalists.
No, as sad it is to say, IMHO these poor folks feel compelled to sqaush any good news. It’s like it’s in their nature.
Were the producers of “The Sands of Iwo Jima required to include footage of the Japanese internment camps? No, not even a close call.
Now, back to the original intent of this post. I thank God for our troops. I am very proud of everyone that serves now, has served in the past, or will serve in the future. Without these brave men and women, our country would be history.
Oh yeah, by the way dakine, you claim that your remark was not intended for navy wife but by making that correction you have slipped and revealed the real dakine; the one who hates the entire Navy. Finally, the real dakine reveals himself.
Watershed
You really are stuck on stupid. I did not state, anywhere, that people who differ in political views are guilty of treason. As I explained when you tried to wrap your rantings in the first amendment, free speesh is not without its limitations. I noted that the Constitution itself limited that freedom via the treason provisions.
And I am getting more than a little tired of your outright lies here. You have misrepresented what I have stated and twisted the truth. Read what I wrote, and quit misquoting what I have said.
I suppose I should understand that one who cannot argue the facts resorts to lies. And I would usually ignore it but you have made yourself such a nuisance and troll in this thread, I am not going to let it lie.
Given your obvious disdain for the military (no, supporting an anti war pac is not supporting the military), at least have the decency to let people discuss a positive and pro troop movie without interjecting your negative feelings.
I too, am going to by dvds of this movie for all
of my relatives and friends when it comes out. I do have relatives that still mouth, “I support the troops,
I just don’t support the war.” That makes no sense to
me because the troops are fighting the war and in
order to support the troops, you must outfit them for
and keep sending supplies and materiels as long as the war lasts. That is supporting the troops! I heard a
neighbor say that she wished she was in Olympia, WA
to keep supplies from going to the war zones. Her
grandson is in Iraq and she wants to deprive him of
supplies because she has the mistaken idea that if
all of the munitions run out, he would be sent home!! Yes. I do know how she votes because she
always has signs in her yard before elections.
Actually, she would be putting him in the position of being defenseless and increasing the liklihood of his being killed. Glad she isn’t my grandmother if this is her idea of logic.
Examples of your twisting, spinning and misleading? Every post you made. Why they are such is explained very clearly by every poster who responded to you.
Stephen Colbert? Oh puhlease. Do you get your news from Jon Stewart? Dave Letterman your reference for current events?
trinity, I’ll bite my tongue and out of respect to Moran (whom I admire, despite the fact he thinks I work in the mail room), I’ll take the high road instead of saying what I really want to say about you. I love the Navy. My dad graduated from Annapolis and served in the nuclear submarine force for 25 years (dragging my brother and me all over the world in the process). I worked for the Navy for 5 years before law school. Please re-read the post in question in the context of your previous comments (and Jim M.’s) questioning my patriotism and service to this country.
BTW, Gen. Clark defended Gen. Petreus vigorously in several interviews I saw. They are friends and Petreus worked for Clark at one point. Both of these men are patriotic and honorable Americans who deserve, and have earned, our respect. Have some friggin’ honor. Interestingly, I hear through the grapevine than Petreus is a Dem.
I doubt he’ll be voting Dem in the next election, however…
Something tells me he dislikes having his stratagy called a failure.
I didn’t say this, you did. No further comment is needed.
By the way DA feel free to say anything you want about or to me. Have a good life.
Let me see, to answer Watershed’s question…the one where he thinks we are all being hypocrites in asking what he and the others who claim to be supporting the troops and not the war are dfoing that is actually supporting the troops, I, it is pretty obvious, support the troops as well as the War on Islamic Fascism as well as the War to rid Iraq of the Islamic Usurpers in order to fulfill a promise given to the people of Iraq back in 1991. I support the troops in heart and deed. When my partner went to Iraq for two years, I looked after his wife and kids….making sure anything they needed was taken care of. When one of the guys in the department needed to move and was in Afghanistan and his very pregnant wife needed the help, I was there moving them into their new house. i have donated in money towardcs organizations collecting for air conditioners for hem. I have given to organizations outside WalMart that collects goods to go into care packages. they sit there and ask you to pick up extra items such as razors, deodorant, toiletries, stationary, towels etc., and place them in a container on your way out. this is an excellent way to get the troops those extra items they need. I have got my children involved in writing them letters so that there is never a soldier that will go without a mail call. there are other ways that I get involved to show support. I do not have a sticker or magnet on my car, as that attracts Liberals and invites them to vandalize my car. I have a Captain who had his truck severely keyed outside the station for having a yellow ribbon on his back tailgate. That just shows you how tolerant these Liberals are.
So stop projecting yourselves and lack of support on us. Just because you and those you know are nothing but slogans does not mean that we are. When it comes to supporting the troops, it is those people that have those magnets on their cars that are supporting them. telling them that they are baby killers and that what they are doing is wrong and that you support them in trying to embarrass and humiliate them by causing a surrender to our enemies is not honoring or supporting them. It doesn’t matter how you spin it in order to ease your conscience, or insult the people who tell you the truth about it, the truth is, that is no way to support them. It is in getting behind them, in stopping these anti-war protests that support the enemy, in working toward a fast and complete victory to where we will not have to return in a few ears that is the best way. In the mean time, try doing something I listed above, or stop saying you support them. the only one you are kidding is yourself.
#162
You have many good examples of your support for the troops. Congrats.
I, too, support the troops, in deed and mind. However, I don’t support this war. And I will NOT stop offering my view. There are literally millions upon millions of Americans who hold a view similar to mine. America’s great that way, that it has room for all of us who disagree.
I’m truly sorry you cannot wrap your mind around that one. I don’t think it’s that hard a concept, but I guess for some it is.
Good luck to you, and again, good work.
#155
The level of discourse here is just abysmal. Personal insults abound. Let’s pretend we’re face to face, would you be so ridiculously rude then? Is it even possible for you to communicate without them? Using the “they do it on Kos, too” excuse is hardly valid- I don’t insult you here, and if you want to continue a discussion, you won’t either. K?
watershed, you and some others here deliberately attempted to ruin a celebration of a pro-troops movie thread by harping on the negative and promoting dubious/traitor movies that attempt to smear our troops as a whole and push their anti-war message. For you to be surprised at a negative response from those who support the troops to these posts by you and your ilk only shows your radical mindset and IMO, a decidedly low IQ.
Freedom of speech does come with consequences. You and yours are not well received here when we are trying to support and celebrate our brave fighting men and women, not bash them. You are here to stir up trouble and fight…nothing more. Your motives are contemptible, especially on this thread. You all should be shunned.
Watershed,
We understand that you don’t support the war and we understand the concept of free speech.
Questions for you.
Do you support the war in Afghanistan?
Did you at any time support the war in Iraq?
If you did support the war in Iraq what caused you to change your mind?
If you’re serious about having a dalog, now’s your chance.
#165
If you look, the only post I wrote that wasn’t a direct response to another commenters post TO ME was my first one, and even that was a reaction to another post. You call that “harping”, I call that communicating.
Watershed
For the record, I would not hesitate saying what I say here to your face.
Abysmal? Look in a mirror.
It is a truly pathetic human being that takes pleasure in disrupting a positive discussion to further your own agenda.
You are not here to engage in discourse at all; you are here to goad, taunt and disrupt. When pushed for facts, you spin lies. When asked for logic, you twist words and change the subject. From your many posts that I have read, you have yet to offer any positive contribution to any discussion. To the contrary, you seem to revel in the politics of destruction.
Sorry, but it is you yourself that has revealed you as one “stuck on stupid”. You don’t get it, and in your world of denial, projection and rationalization, you never will.
#166
I actually did not support the strike on Afghanistan. I felt that it could have been handled in a criminal sense, rather then bomb a destitute culture.
To give an analogy, we certainly didn’t carpet bomb Minnesota or wherever McVeigh was after Oklahoma City. I feel that we would have already gotten Bin Laden (remember him?) if we handled it similarly.
I haven’t been behind Iraq at all.
The PNAC have had a hard-on for Iraq since the 90’s and I sensed that this war was a direct result of their influence, and I didn’t believe any of what they were selling. The Downing Street memos and other such info has since proven that this administration was going to go in regardless of WMD. So we were of course lied to. I think Colin Powell’s UN speech was a low point for this country, given the outcome.
So you are an appeaser. You believe that the Muslim terrorists are justified in hating us because we are the aggressor. You think we should have arrested UBL instead of deposing the Taliban.
The Downing St. memos proved nothing. How do you know that the WMD’s are not in Syria? You don’t. Even if there are no WMD’s, every intel agency in the western world believed he had them.
Why do you support the Taliban’s regime that killed women for attending school or not wearing a Burqa? Why is your outrage not directed at the real villians here, the Muslim terrorists.
Your head is buried in the sand. If we don’t defeat Islamofacsim now, we will not have a country to defend.
You have finally exposed your true self and while you are entitled to your opiniion, I am entitled to ignore you. You disgust me and yes you are stuck on stupid.
It is because of people like you that our country and our freedoms are in great jeopardy. We are in the fight of our lives and we will either win it or we will die.
Absurd analogy…
So you would have handled it in a criminal sense. Who would you have sent to Afghanistan to take Bin Laden into custody? And do you think the Taliban would have allowed it?
Crimes committed inside the US are handled by the cops. Acts of war by foreign enemies are handled by the military.
The “destitute culture” you spoke of allowed Al Quaida to use Afghanistan as a base of operations.
Also, the notion that our problem with terrorists begins and ends with Bin Laden is shortsighted. The violent and intolerant form of religious beliefs which breeds terrorism is widespread and will not be eliminated by taking out any one person or group of people. President Bush told the country after 9-11 that we were in for a long struggle against a shadowy enemy. He was right.
Had watershed been born an “unworthy” in
Afghanistan he might have had an entirely different
take on the way the Taliban treats women. But then, I
keep remembering code pink and sally field, etc. All
of these people seem to be entirely comfortable with
the idea that they and their children et al could all be
saying Allah Akbar and by God meaning it or else. Or
do they think they are all so gosh darned cute and nice
that when the terrorists take over in their world, that
us ugly old conservatives are the only ones they will
come after. All of the liberals will be holding hands,
singing kumbaya and inviting them to a Peace In and they will just melt in all of this “Milk of Human
Kindness” that only liberals can practice.
Watershed
Freedom comes with great responsibility.
Now we all know how you feel about the war. It would have been more responsible to voice it in an appropriate forum or post. However, you turned this into a thread about your personal views, did not stay on topic, and ranted on when asked politely no less to allow the thread to be as it was intended. This thread was NOT about you. But you turned it into just that. Congrats!
Thanks for taking what should have been a celebration and fixating on putting your negative spin on it.
We get it!!! We get how you feel!!!!
We got it the first couple of posts you made.
To be honest I really dont know why I bothered with this post. Because from what you’ve shown of yourself …you wont get it.
Oh one last comment WS
Please do not feed me the line that you support the troops. If this was true, you would have allowed those honorable men and women their ONE moment of shining in a simple thread on a simple day. However you could not even do that.
Tell it to someone who wont see through you.
Goodnight
He won’t ever get it, Donna, but he thought he
was doing missionary work among the savages. He
was going to dazzle us with his brilliance and turn
every one of us in sobbing penitents. We would be
immediately converted to his way of thinking and he
could go back to wherever and boast of his success!
No. I’m not going to see the warped hollowood versions of their war movies. Yes. I never ever go to
movies but I will purchase umpteen dozen dvds as
gifts for people I care about.
You are clearly insane. You draw a similarity between attacking a country that is in the literal pocket of AQ, who for all intents and purposes is AQ, and a pair of nutjobs who blew up a federal building?
Allow me to attempt to explain to you just one portion of your insanity.
If McVaugh were found and/or caught in Minnisota, he would have been turned overto the feds. Do you actually think, for one single moment, that the Taliban would have done the same? Do you think there is any chance in hell that they would have handed over to use OBL or any of the people we found/killed since we went in there?
There are men and women serving this country, shedding their blood so that you can enjoy the freedom to liken a movie which speaks well of our fighting men and women – one that shows them in a positive light – to one which takes a handful of instances, and does it’s absolute best to try and convince the viewer that it is the norm.
You sit there, blissfully unaware at how foolish and suicidal your dreams of sitting down and just talking with the very people who would show up to that meeting wearing an exploding vest just to kill ONE of us. You sit there in such a state because of every single Soldier, Marine, Sailor and Airman that has served this country, living or dead.
Especially dead.
So before you sit there and tell me that you “support our troops”, how about you go walk into a bar right next to a military base and repeat every single thing you’ve said here.
When you get out of the ICU, let me know how much they appriciated your “support”.
That position only solidifies the view that the man is incapable of any rational thought.
McVeigh was a US Citizen. Bin Laden is not a US citizen.
McVeigh was subject to the criminal laws of the US as a US citizen. Bin Laden is out of the reach of US criminal laws. Recall that he was indicted in an unlrelated case. And it ended there.
Countries with whom we have diplomatic relations may extradite individuals accused of breaking US laws. There were no diplomatic relations with Afghanistan at the time, that is until we used the military to allow Afghanistan to establish a government.
Bin Laden controlled the Taliban through financial support. And the Taliban were well aware of his intentions to attack the US prior to 9/11.
Now let’s go to Iraq. The fact that never gets raised is that after the first Gulf War, Saddam was required to account for his WMD. The UN DOCUMENTED stockpiles of chemical and biological agents in the hundreds of tons and equipment that could be used in the manufacture of nuclear material (aluminum tubing comes to mind). WHile these stockpiles were documented, there was never any record of where they went. Were they destroyed? Were they buried? Were they moved to another country?
Saddam apparently told one of his handlers before his execution that he had no nuclear material, but that he planned to start making it once sanctions were lifted. Let’s assume that we can believe a man who never told the truth. He was not going to start from scratch. Go back to what happened to the equipment.
And all those “commercial flights” and Russian convoys that were dispatched from Iraq to Syria right before the US action against Iraq? What were they carrying?
I cannot see how someone can say they are for the troops but not for the war. It is a contradiction in terms. The message you are sending to the troops is that the cause they are fighting and dying for is bad. That they are hurting the very country they have sworn to defend. Kind of like a family member saying that they love their relative who just killed someone’s family, but don’t support their actions.
Jim M., you had me right up until the last paragraph. The civilian leadership (i.e., the President, his advisors and Congress) uses the military as an instrument to advance a particular foreign policy strategy/objective. There’s never going to be 100% consensus among decision makers, the military leadership, pundits and the populace in general regarding foreign policy strategies and the means used to achieve them. Hell, two of my best buddies are about as “bad-ass hard” as warriors can be and fought in the actual “war” part of this deal, and they both think (and thought from the beginning) that the Bush foreign policy in Iraq is a FUBAR cluster. They did their duty though, and fought with honor and integrity. You seem to believe, however, that by thinking the Iraq strategy was misguided, that my buddies are somehow not supporting themselves and their fellow warriors? Doesn’t make sense to me, and I don’t see the disconnect to which you refer. Good and interesting post though.
Let’s grow up. Do you think Roosevelt got us into WWII
because he wanted to save the victims of the Nazis or
because he was angry at Japan? It was a political
necessity at the time. He didn’t believe the death camps were happening and apparently knew that Japan had designs on the US.
I listened to the MSM and pols (Both sides of the aisle
yelling, “When is President Bush going to finish the
job that his father started in Iraq?”
This went on day after day, even on FNC and that
paragon (sic) of manhood, Geraldo was one of the
loudest.
You apparently supported Slick Willy’s war, which
we’re still fighting, because I would bet you haven’t
been writing this stuff about Kosovo.
(One of my son’s friends was there when WC showed up trying to act as if they were all members
of the same club and that he was never a draft
dodger. Needless to say, they were all pretty
unimpressed.)
That’s the problem with the likes of you, dakine, buck and the other little wannabe trolls here. You seem to confuse dissent with sedition all the time. There is a distinct difference between not agreeing with the war and actively helping the enemy and helping to guarantee that we lose the war to satisfy your own sense of self-righteousness. The fact that you would support those that come out and protest using signs that say “Bush is hitler” and dery GitMo as being a den of torture is proof of that.
You can be against this war. You can speak out against this war, but we will never allow ANYONE to work towards our defeat or to help our enemies kill or harm our fellow citizens whether they be civillian or military…EVER.
Get that through your thick skulls.
RetFireman, you have a reading comprehension problem. Nothing in you’re wildly emotional and irrational post relates in any way to anything I’ve written on this subject. You need help.
No, I have no comprehension problem, and your words are forever emblazoned on the net for all to see. There is nothing wild or emotional nor irrational in my postings. If it strikes you as such, then it strikes at the very heart of your beliefs, and it stings you asa it is truth. You do not like having the mirror placed so close to your nose, but your denials mean nothing when your words say so much. Everyone here has seen you for what you are and what you support. You do not support the troops, you do not support the country as far as winning this war and your own words actively encourage our enemies to win against us. If you disagree, then I suggest you start changing the way in which you word your thoughs, otherwise they stand as such. Your Liberal and Left-Wing diatribes, however, speak volumes on the fact that you do indeed, represent all that I have said and more, and your petty atempts at insults roll off me as if I were coated in teflon.
Have a nice day and return to underneath your bridge.
RetFireman, do you just cut and paste the same tired stuff over and over again in every thread? Get some new material. BTW, read your last two posts against one another and tell me that you don’t come off as just a little bit hypocritical.