Comments on: Vaccine bullies in the public schools http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/ news and commentary from a conservative perspective Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:26:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michelle Malkin » California’s Gardasil mandate moves forward http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-1175527 Michelle Malkin » California’s Gardasil mandate moves forward Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:47:45 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-1175527 [...] We were treated like pariahs by our then-pediatrician for delaying some vaccines. I know from personal experience that the pressure to submit children to government-minted vaccine schedules without question or challenge is immense. I blogged in 2007 about the appalling plight of parents in Prince George’s County, Maryland, who were threatened with jail time by public school officials if they didn’t get their kids vaccinated with... [...] [...] We were treated like pariahs by our then-pediatrician for delaying some vaccines. I know from personal experience that the pressure to submit children to government-minted vaccine schedules without question or challenge is immense. I blogged in 2007 about the appalling plight of parents in Prince George’s County, Maryland, who were threatened with jail time by public school officials if they didn’t get their kids vaccinated with… [...]

]]> By: Michelle Malkin » Rick Perry’s bad, Obama-style medicine http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-1165935 Michelle Malkin » Rick Perry’s bad, Obama-style medicine Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:13:32 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-1165935 [...] of his odious Gardasil vaccine mandate for children. I’ve written and reported on vaccine bullies in the schools and on informed parental authority over vaccines previously. But as you’ll see from my column [...] [...] of his odious Gardasil vaccine mandate for children. I’ve written and reported on vaccine bullies in the schools and on informed parental authority over vaccines previously. But as you’ll see from my column [...]

]]> By: HappyMom http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-834894 HappyMom Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:48:49 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-834894 <blockquote>Whooping Cough, once nearly erradicated, is a very ugly disease and 100% preventable by a vaccine that DOES work exceptionally well.</blockquote> I can't let that slide. WC is NOT 100% peventable by the vaccine and the vaccine does NOT work exceptionally well. I'd also like to see the study that shows it was nearly erradicated. When we were researching vaccines for our children, even the Smith/Kline website (the vaccine manufacturer at the time) said the DPT shot was only 30-70% effective. That's a pretty lousy return for the risks involved. The website also said it should never be given to anyone over the age of 7. Makes me wonder why it's then safe for someone under the age of seven. My daughter had WC as a child (oddly enough in an outbreak of it in a city with high WC vaccination rates) and yes, it was unpleasant, but now she has a lifelong immunity. I got the shot as a kid, then got whooping cough as an adult--as did the CDC gal who called to rail on me for "letting" my child get WC--and was dealthy ill for about 2 months. The additives in vaccines (esp. squalene) are NOT benign. I'm not saying no vaccines are the proper route. I'm just saying that it's shortsighted to simply swallow the company line and vaccinate without fully understanding the risks. And I know exactly what Michelle's talking about with the HepB shot. My pediatrician try to physically intimidate me when I balked at it. It made me wonder why he needed to resort to that when the facts should have been compelling enough to convince me.

Whooping Cough, once nearly erradicated, is a very ugly disease and 100% preventable by a vaccine that DOES work exceptionally well.

I can’t let that slide. WC is NOT 100% peventable by the vaccine and the vaccine does NOT work exceptionally well. I’d also like to see the study that shows it was nearly erradicated.

When we were researching vaccines for our children, even the Smith/Kline website (the vaccine manufacturer at the time) said the DPT shot was only 30-70% effective. That’s a pretty lousy return for the risks involved. The website also said it should never be given to anyone over the age of 7.

Makes me wonder why it’s then safe for someone under the age of seven.

My daughter had WC as a child (oddly enough in an outbreak of it in a city with high WC vaccination rates) and yes, it was unpleasant, but now she has a lifelong immunity. I got the shot as a kid, then got whooping cough as an adult–as did the CDC gal who called to rail on me for “letting” my child get WC–and was dealthy ill for about 2 months.

The additives in vaccines (esp. squalene) are NOT benign. I’m not saying no vaccines are the proper route. I’m just saying that it’s shortsighted to simply swallow the company line and vaccinate without fully understanding the risks.

And I know exactly what Michelle’s talking about with the HepB shot. My pediatrician try to physically intimidate me when I balked at it. It made me wonder why he needed to resort to that when the facts should have been compelling enough to convince me.

]]> By: Michelle Malkin » Nanny state debacle in NYC schools http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-834222 Michelle Malkin » Nanny state debacle in NYC schools Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:09:40 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-834222 [...] Vaccine bullies in the public schools Posted in: Education, Health care Printer Friendly comments (0)   trackbacks [...] [...] Vaccine bullies in the public schools Posted in: Education, Health care Printer Friendly comments (0)   trackbacks [...]

]]> By: Appeals to Authority on Vaccinations « In Other Words http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-272751 Appeals to Authority on Vaccinations « In Other Words Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:38:23 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-272751 [...] is quick to inject everybody, it seems.  From Michelle Malkin: I’ve written before about my first-hand experience with bully doctors who balked at even the mildest questioning of [...] [...] is quick to inject everybody, it seems.  From Michelle Malkin: I’ve written before about my first-hand experience with bully doctors who balked at even the mildest questioning of [...]

]]> By: Michelle Malkin » In defense of parents with informed vaccine skepticism http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-271915 Michelle Malkin » In defense of parents with informed vaccine skepticism Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:49:29 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-271915 [...] For all time? Not all vaccines are equal. And if you leave it to the medical establishment and Big Nanny public school officials to determine the definition of “genuine medical reason,” then any parent who questions [...] [...] For all time? Not all vaccines are equal. And if you leave it to the medical establishment and Big Nanny public school officials to determine the definition of “genuine medical reason,” then any parent who questions [...]

]]> By: Laree http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-176299 Laree Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:36:51 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-176299 I really don't think this is a partisan issue. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deirdre-imus/over-medicated-and-overv_b_73300.html I really don’t think this is a partisan issue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deirdre-imus/over-medicated-and-overv_b_73300.html

]]> By: Glamchild http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-176087 Glamchild Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:38:57 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-176087 But that's not what she's saying. Michelle was talking about jailing parents for not accepting the Govs vaccine regimen. If the schools want to kick students out.....go ahead. But they are going beyond that and jailing parents for exercising Constitutional rights to opt out. But that’s not what she’s saying.

Michelle was talking about jailing parents for not accepting the Govs vaccine regimen.

If the schools want to kick students out…..go ahead. But they are going beyond that and jailing parents for exercising Constitutional rights to opt out.

]]> By: supersean http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-175837 supersean Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:24:31 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-175837 I strongly disagree with Michelle on this point for contagious diseases. Prevention is the best remedy to prevent epidemics and schools and the government have every right to require that parents get the proper shots in order to attend a school or participate in public events. I strongly disagree with Michelle on this point for contagious diseases. Prevention is the best remedy to prevent epidemics and schools and the government have every right to require that parents get the proper shots in order to attend a school or participate in public events.

]]> By: EHeavenlyGads http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-175805 EHeavenlyGads Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:10:19 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-175805 <blockquote>EHeavenlyGads and Dan708, There is no reason at all for schools to require elementary school students to be vaccinated for Hepatitis B. The only way you can get it is from sex and drug use. There are not going to be any epidemics of Hepatitis B in schools. To require parents to have their kids vaccinated against Hepatitis B is offensive and obnoxious in a Big Brother way. Most adults are not even vaccinated against Hepatitis B.</blockquote> Gabe, I don't disagree that HepB is unnecessary for elementary public school innoculations in the US, unless a patient falls into one of a very few risk categories (i.e., born to an infected mother, residing in a household with an active case.) You are not entirely correct on transmission methods. In decreasing order of frequency, transmissions are through the exchange of body fluids (i.e., unprotected sex), by transmission of infected blood into a non-infected person (i.e., needle sharing, needle sticks), AND also by general household contact with persons with an active case (the virus does exist for a short time on surfaces, and is transmittable via sputum). Rarely, children are born to mothers who are active, but these are typically drug-abusers. I also agree we'll never see HepB epidemics in schools. But I never once considered staff infections would become airborne. You are also right in adult immunization frequencies. For the most part, only doctors, nurses, nurses aids, hospital and clinical staffs, fire departments, police departments, penal institutions, the military, and school educators, aides and administrators are required to undergo the vaccine regularly. I may have missed a group or two in the list, but they are people with greater risk by virtue of the number of infected people they come into contact with. Most people come in contact with a much smaller pool of the population on a regular basis.

EHeavenlyGads and Dan708,

There is no reason at all for schools to require elementary school students to be vaccinated for Hepatitis B. The only way you can get it is from sex and drug use. There are not going to be any epidemics of Hepatitis B in schools. To require parents to have their kids vaccinated against Hepatitis B is offensive and obnoxious in a Big Brother way. Most adults are not even vaccinated against Hepatitis B.

Gabe, I don’t disagree that HepB is unnecessary for elementary public school innoculations in the US, unless a patient falls into one of a very few risk categories (i.e., born to an infected mother, residing in a household with an active case.)

You are not entirely correct on transmission methods. In decreasing order of frequency, transmissions are through the exchange of body fluids (i.e., unprotected sex), by transmission of infected blood into a non-infected person (i.e., needle sharing, needle sticks), AND also by general household contact with persons with an active case (the virus does exist for a short time on surfaces, and is transmittable via sputum). Rarely, children are born to mothers who are active, but these are typically drug-abusers.

I also agree we’ll never see HepB epidemics in schools. But I never once considered staff infections would become airborne.

You are also right in adult immunization frequencies. For the most part, only doctors, nurses, nurses aids, hospital and clinical staffs, fire departments, police departments, penal institutions, the military, and school educators, aides and administrators are required to undergo the vaccine regularly. I may have missed a group or two in the list, but they are people with greater risk by virtue of the number of infected people they come into contact with. Most people come in contact with a much smaller pool of the population on a regular basis.

]]> By: USMCgramma http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-175804 USMCgramma Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:09:24 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-175804 I have serious issues w/CDC&P and NIH. In the 1980 epidemic called Yuppie Flu (and other misnomers) they concluded we were a bunch of "attention seeking fruitcakes". Because routine medical tests are all negative, we were not believed. There is no diagnositc test, treatment or cure almost 30 years later. In 2007 they admitted it was a real illness. There is too much political bureaucracy, prescription drug money, professional arrogance, wasted taxpayer dollars, etc., etc., in the field of health already. The federal government cannot do anything better than private, competitive enterprise and it should not be so involved in our health. Frankly, they are not very good at it. I have serious issues w/CDC&P and NIH. In the 1980 epidemic called Yuppie Flu (and other misnomers) they concluded we were a bunch of “attention seeking fruitcakes”. Because routine medical tests are all negative, we were not believed. There is no diagnositc test, treatment or cure almost 30 years later. In 2007 they admitted it was a real illness.

There is too much political bureaucracy, prescription drug money, professional arrogance, wasted taxpayer dollars, etc., etc., in the field of health already.

The federal government cannot do anything better than private, competitive enterprise and it should not be so involved in our health. Frankly, they are not very good at it.

]]> By: graysonret http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-175795 graysonret Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:05:08 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-175795 Being in the medical field for many years, I understand Hep B and chicken pox, and can't, for the life of me, understand why they require vaccines for them for small children. I remember, back in the 80s, being the only one willing to work with HIV patients, when everyone was hysterical over it. "If you don't have sex with them, or exchange blood with them, what's the worry?"...was what one doc told me in training. Hep B is a "bloodborne" disease. Chicken pox is a mild disease for children, age 5-15 (what we used to call the "golden age of resistance"), with the side effects of vaccination outweighing the disease progression. Yes, one could say that Shingles could be a future problem, but it is pretty rare, all in all. What is most important to see is a vision of the future, once socialized medicine comes into effect...a situation where lawyers and politically minded doctors dictate what the public needs and what is required, based on the "which way the wind blows". Maryland is a hot bed of liberalism; the new tax increase is evidence. It always troubles me when people complain that people in the medical field treat them as idiots. That I've never done. Sometimes, I've even learned something from them! Medicine needs to be served on a one-to-one basis, with patients working with docs to achieve a reasonable goal. This vaccination program doesn't do that. Being in the medical field for many years, I understand Hep B and chicken pox, and can’t, for the life of me, understand why they require vaccines for them for small children. I remember, back in the 80s, being the only one willing to work with HIV patients, when everyone was hysterical over it. “If you don’t have sex with them, or exchange blood with them, what’s the worry?”…was what one doc told me in training. Hep B is a “bloodborne” disease. Chicken pox is a mild disease for children, age 5-15 (what we used to call the “golden age of resistance”), with the side effects of vaccination outweighing the disease progression. Yes, one could say that Shingles could be a future problem, but it is pretty rare, all in all. What is most important to see is a vision of the future, once socialized medicine comes into effect…a situation where lawyers and politically minded doctors dictate what the public needs and what is required, based on the “which way the wind blows”. Maryland is a hot bed of liberalism; the new tax increase is evidence. It always troubles me when people complain that people in the medical field treat them as idiots. That I’ve never done. Sometimes, I’ve even learned something from them! Medicine needs to be served on a one-to-one basis, with patients working with docs to achieve a reasonable goal. This vaccination program doesn’t do that.

]]> By: 29Victor http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-175789 29Victor Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:58:00 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-175789 Not responding to anyone in particular, but hepatitis B and chickenpox weren't epidemics before immunizations existed for them. And now days we are being told that we have a "fat kid" epidemic in the country, so I guess it's time to begin telling parents what to feed their kids. BTW there have been, in the past, real-live troll outbreaks at this blog and no one has ever suggested immunizing against them. Not responding to anyone in particular, but hepatitis B and chickenpox weren’t epidemics before immunizations existed for them.

And now days we are being told that we have a “fat kid” epidemic in the country, so I guess it’s time to begin telling parents what to feed their kids.

BTW there have been, in the past, real-live troll outbreaks at this blog and no one has ever suggested immunizing against them.

]]> By: Mister P http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-175782 Mister P Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:54:51 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-175782 Where's the vaccine against MRSA? Where’s the vaccine against MRSA?

]]> By: blues http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-175778 blues Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:52:18 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/19/vaccine-bullies-in-the-public-schools/#comment-175778 OT but not too far.Three weeks ago ,Mrs blues finally chose to go to the doctor to have har knee looked at.Today I picked her and her new knee up at the hospital.Two sessions of physical therapy ,and she is walking up and down steps.I doubt that under Hillarycare a person could expect to have such surgery in three weeks,from diagnosis to recovery. The fact is ,as has been stated before in this thread,the bottom line is money to beaurocrats.While it is true that immunization programs have done wonders for the overall health of the country we must vigilant in not giving too much control of our personal health to the government,or anyone else.Still people think that government control of health care is a good thing.I applaud you Michelle for taking the stand you did in taking responsibilty for your children's health,going along with any program just because "that is the way it is done" is the first step in giving away your autonomy and freedom,and becoming a victem of the system,instead of a beneficiary of progess. OT but not too far.Three weeks ago ,Mrs blues finally chose to go to the doctor to have har knee looked at.Today I picked her and her new knee up at the hospital.Two sessions of physical therapy ,and she is walking up and down steps.I doubt that under Hillarycare a person could expect to have such surgery in three weeks,from diagnosis to recovery.
The fact is ,as has been stated before in this thread,the bottom line is money to beaurocrats.While it is true that immunization programs have done wonders for the overall health of the country we must vigilant in not giving too much control of our personal health to the government,or anyone else.Still people think that government control of health care is a good thing.I applaud you Michelle for taking the stand you did in taking responsibilty for your children’s health,going along with any program just because “that is the way it is done” is the first step in giving away your autonomy and freedom,and becoming a victem of the system,instead of a beneficiary of progess.

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