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101. #101
     On November 27th, 2007 at 8:46 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

     retfireman#97
     Excellant rebuttal and its obvious that you have mastered the art of the skilled debate.

     Retfireman 1 BuckI 0

     GSP

102. #102
     On November 27th, 2007 at 10:36 am, Buck I said:

     Retfireman is at it again huh?

     However, your indignation and offense is fake. If you do not believe, then you cannot be offended. It is only those that do believe in a Hell that should worry. If, in fact, you do believe in Hell, then I would think you would also believe in a Heaven and in such, would be working towards the goal of making sure to do what it took to make sure you were to go there after you left this existence. The guide to getting there is in the Bible. Therefore, you would either be following the Old Testament, placing you as Jewish, or the New Testament placing you as Christian, which would have you accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour thereby guaranteeing you a place in Heaven so long as you followed His teachings

     I see your idea of what it takes to get into “heaven”. You’re leaving out millions of people there, but oh well, Jews and Christians are the only ones that have it figured out huh, Ret?

     As for your crap towards the Christianity posts, you post about one person who stated something where you claim that he is the reason you will never become a Christian, then in your next post, you past the drivel about not making an opinion based on a minority. That was incredibly hypocritical.

     I’m not sure if you are a liar, or just brain-damaged. I’m leaning toward the latter, because this is what I said:

     Wow. That’s pretty harsh. Thanks for reminding me about the type of thinking that will keep me from ever becoming a Christian. Wow.

     Where’s the degradation? I’m not degrading Christianity by simply stating that the views of people like garyt remind why I would never want to become a Christian. I reject the notion that one will burn in a lake of eternal hell-fire, no matter how quality of human being your are, simply because one chooses not to follow the teaching of Christ, and accept him as a savior. I’m not degrading it. I just reject it. I reject any organized religion with a similar ideology.
     I’m not calling my toilet Jesus, or saying Christianity comes from the gates of hell. If you’re saying Garyt is a radical, I’ll listen, and consider any hypocritical aspects of my post.

     You question how I can be offended? I find the whole concept of religious people Muslim, Christian, or the otherwise telling me, my daughter, or niece that you have to believe in “so,and so”, or you are gonna burn in hell. Yes, it’s very offensive, and if your Bible says so, or the Koran says so, I find those books offensive. If you take issue with that, go back to huffing on your gasoline can, and forget whatever may concern you.

     Lastly, if you believe the the majority of Muslims which number in multiple millions around the globe, are jihadists because of the thousands you mention, then we have nothing else to talk about it.

     Ret,
     I kind of figured we would ignore each other after the last go around, but apparently that isn’t the case. You take up a lot of screen space with your diatribes, and once every 3rd time or so, you can make sense. Surely it’s by accident. Usually, you just spew your anti-liberal anti-pinko anti-dem talking points with self satisfaction. You have also accused me of being anti-American, and unpatriotic without any cite to a comment…why, because you are a liar Ret,and there’s nothing to cite to. You like to run you mouth throw out a bunch of cliches and hope something sticks. You are a one-demensional joke. I know, I know back to my bridge, trip trap, trip trap, liberals of my ilk, elitest snob, unpatriotic, my glass navel, “everything I’ve said above”, blah, blah blah. I’ve seen more depth and nuance on the cartoon network.

103. #103
     On November 27th, 2007 at 11:43 am, conservativesRus said:

     Buck: You’ve stated you reject (in summary) religion because of it’s telling you what you have to do to gain salvation and what the penalty is for not believing. That is your right to do so. I will say though that it’s a somewhat silly argument. If God has established laws for the universe, who are you to “reject” his laws. You seem to think you can only choose which ones you want. I don’t think though that you can reject gravity (put in place by God) or time (put in place by God). I presume your boss tells you exactly what you need to do to get your paycheck, and what will happen if you don’t…do you reject that. The government tells you exactly what you need to do to be in compliance with the tax code, and what will happen if you don’t…do you reject that too.

     While I personally don’t agree with much of the “reward” and penalty of the taxation system here in the USA, I do choose to obey it’s principles. The government is “bigger than me individually” and can enforce it’s own rules concerning me and my behaviors. In the same way, while a person may not especially like the idea that God supposedly condemns men to hell for non-belief…I still choose to believe and do what God asks as God is much bigger than me and certainly can enforce his will regardless of what I think. (And lest anyone worry about my theology here - I actually do glory in how a perfect holy God is totally separate from sin and knows that man can’t achieve that standard so provides a way of escape.)

     Lastly, I’ll say this. A much more accurate way to look at the condemnation issue though is not to think of God condemning anybody to anything…..they are already born in separated from God. You only have to look around an observe that children are not born intrinsically “good”. You don’t have to teach a child to lie, to cheat, to steal. They know that all by themselves. God however has offered a way of escape. You are rejecting that offer. That is your right.

     And for what it’s worth, I won’t get any “bonus points” for sending you to hell early. My job (and several others here) is to tell you…what you do with that information is between you and God.

104. #104
     On November 27th, 2007 at 12:51 pm, Buck I said:

     I understand what you are saying Russ, but:

     I’d consider myself an agnostic. I’m not afraid to say that I’m not sure why we’re here, or where we are headed. I don’t think anyone does, really, but many do have “faith”.

     You have your traditional Christian viewpoint. A muslim has a different one, as does a Buddhist, Hindu, Rastafarian, Mormon, Wikkan, ect…..

     To each his/her own. I’m not sure if there’s a hell or not, but I can’t sellout my beliefs about judgement, condmnation, and hell. I’ve considered becoming a Buddhist, but figured, what’s the point. I will rather just:

     I’ll just try to be a good, son, brother, spouse, uncle friend, father, and American…..and then let the chips fall where they may.

     but enough about me. There will never be common ground about religion. It will always be that way, and dates back to and before the crusades(for 29Victor, man). We’ll all find out what happens after we croak, if it’s hell, so be it.

105. #105
     On November 27th, 2007 at 1:24 pm, RetFireman said:

     No one is claiming you have to believe in any religion. No one is claiming you, your daughter, your neice, your dog your anything need to believe in anything. Since the current estimate is anywhere from 10-15% OF Muslims adhere to or follow a “Radical” or “Conservative” view of Islam, and there are 1.2 BILLION Muslims on this here blue marble circling the sun, I seem to do the math where that equates to 180 MILLION of those little Jihadi buggers running around. But maybe you think that number is too many. While I mentioned thousands, for the sake of what is shown in a photo in a newspaper or the web, in just one event, and figured you might have the grey matter inbetween your ears to make the coneection that there are countless others that do not go out to protest like any oter group yet still support or adhere to the teachings, maybe you think there is some number that is different? Maybe 10%? 5%? 1%? Tell me the percentage of Jihadis bent on the destruction of this and other countries and non-believers on this planet you feel is a fair estimate based on YOUR best guess, other than what the experts feel, and then do the math and tell us the number. Then look at the truth of the matter. It took just 19 of them to kill over 3000 people and plunge the world into war and a state of panic. It takes just one of them to kill 50-100 in a single bombing. It takes just one of them to set off a dirty nuke. It takes how many of them to continually set off IED’s in Iraq and soon to be here and other Infidel laden countries. How many of them are running the Sharri’ah courts? How many of them are running those countries?

     I’ll keep this short, since it seems your immature attention span seems to be incapable of holding a cohearant thought for very long. I have no idea what gave you the idea that your immature attepts at insults and inability to answer even the base attempts at debate or a simple question meant “hands off”, but since you insinuate yourself into every part of a discussion, and feel the need to insult every poster here, while offering nothing in the way of facts or debate, you can bet your troll like butt that you will be challenged every time you decide to open your troll like trap. When you go and insult someone for being a Christian, then defend someone for being Islamic, you will be challenged on that. When you insult someone for being COnservaine and then defend someone for being a traitorous Liberal, you will be challenged, and when you offer nothing but emotional based tripe, you will be challenged with facts. You won’t be allowed to spin things around, and you have, as of yet, to ever answer anything I have presented to you, no matter how you spin it. SO don’t keep insulting, it only keeps showing what a small minded troll you are. Now return to your bridge before the next billie goats come back over.

106. #106
     On November 27th, 2007 at 3:57 pm, Buck I said:

     Thanks Ret:

     I also reject/condemn islamic jihadists. But I’m not gonna let Garyt use his soapbox to degrade another religion while demonstrating the vileness of his own dogmatic Christian views.

     referenced here:

     Muslims must be outraged when they are cast in hell after rejecting the real Truth of Jesus. Muslims being outraged over nothing like this shows that the religion definitely came from the gates of hell.

     You have also accused me of being anti-American, and unpatriotic without any cite to a comment…why, because you are a liar Ret,and there’s nothing to cite to. You like to run you mouth throw out a bunch of cliches and hope something sticks. You are a one-demensional joke. I know, I know back to my bridge, trip trap, trip trap, liberals of my ilk, elitest snob, unpatriotic, my glass navel, “everything I’ve said above”, blah, blah blah. I’ve seen more depth and nuance on the cartoon network.

     Thanks again. Yawnnnnn.

107. #107
     On November 27th, 2007 at 9:40 pm, garyt said:

     Sorry Buck for taking so long to get back, I just got home. What was it you wanted me to address to on what you had said in earlier posts? Being agnostic does not give you much hope. A few years 70-90- perhaps? Why would you bet your eternal destiny on such a dismal prospect. Even if I am wrong I will have lost nothing because I still have a great life but If you are right you still gain nothing in the after life. Though if you are wrong and I am right then you have made the most diasterous decision ever. Remember after death you can’t repent and you will have to suffer the consequences of the Lord’s great sacrifice to pay for your sins and sins of all. Please open your heart and realize your prospects are dismal.

108. #108
     On November 27th, 2007 at 10:15 pm, garyt said:

     buck, I do not mean to denegrate other religions, I am only speaking the truth is that Jesus said He is the only way , I didn’t say it, Jesus did and all other ways are false if you believe What the Lord has said. He also said its a very narrow way to heaven and wide is the gate of destruction (hell).

109. #109
     On November 28th, 2007 at 12:05 am, dakine said:

     garyt making Pascal’s wager I see.

110. #110
     On November 28th, 2007 at 1:08 pm, yohannbiimu said:

     Buck, I would just like to explain to you the Christian alligory that explains life and death. It is expalined as a journey, walking along one of two paths. One path takes those who travel it towards light everlasting–God’s presence. The other is broad, and it takes those who travel it to eternal darkenss–God’s absence.

     In other words, God does not throw those who reject him into hell, as you have alluded. Hell is simply the destination of the road that those who reject him are on. It is all a matter of God’s giving us free will to choose the path we wish to take. He will not change the path you wish to take.

     Your life and the way you live it is that path. If you willingly live it without God now, you will spend eternity without him later. It’s essentially that simple. If you leave God out of the equation of the road you are on, it will lead you to destruction. God will have nothing to do with how you got there. It will simply be the direction you are headed, and the final destination.

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