The Mohammed Teddy Bear Blasphemy!
Update: Here’s the poor teacher:
Update: I want Rusty’s new Mohammed Teddy Bear for Christmas.
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If it isn’t cartoons or Western fast-food joints or Valentine’s day cards or beauty pageants or books or speeches or Playboy magazines or soccer balls that have the Religion of Perpetual Outrage up in arms, it’s something else. It’s always something. You can never assuage the unassuageable. You can never anticipate what pretext they’ll use next to claim “insult” and demand submission. Today, it’s teddy bears. Yes, teddy bears. The Times of London reports:
A British primary school teacher arrested in Sudan faces up to 40 lashes for blasphemy after letting her class of 7-year-olds name a teddy bear Muhammad.
Gillian Gibbons, 54, from Liverpool, was arrested at her lodgings at Khartoum’s Unity High School yesterday, accused of insulting the Prophet of Islam.
Her colleagues said that they feared for her safety after reports that groups of young men had gathered outside the Khartoum police station where she was taken and were shouting death threats…
…Teachers at the school, in central Khartoum only a mile from the River Nile, said that Ms Gibbons had made an innocent mistake by letting her pupils choose their favourite name for the toy as part of a school project.
Robert Boulos, the Unity director, said that Mrs Gibbons was following a British National Curriculum course designed to teach young pupils about animals and their habitats. This year’s animal was the bear.
In September, she asked a girl to bring in her teddy bear to help the Year 2 class to focus and then asked the class to name the toy.
“They came up with eight names including Abdullah, Hassan and Muhammad. Then she explained what it meant to vote and asked them to choose the name,” Mr Boulos said.
Twenty out of the 23 children chose Muhammad. Each child was allowed to take the bear home at weekends and asked to write a diary about what they did with the toy. Each entry was collected in a book with a picture of the bear on the cover, next to the message “My name is Muhammad”.
Mr Boulos said that the bear itself was not marked or labelled with the name in any way, he added, saying Sudanese police had now seized the book and had asked to interview the 7-year-old girl.
So: Naming teddy bears after Mohammed–which will earn an infidel 40 lashes for blasphemy–is haram.
But naming your child after Mohammed–now one of the most popular names for boys in England and Wales–is halal.
Welcome to the intricacies of sharia.
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Related flashback: Zombie’s Mohammed Image Archive.
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Speaking of teddy bears, did you know that the enviros are handing out global warming “climate bears” to world leaders? You can call them “Al.”
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This just proves that if Religion of Perpetual Outrage hasn’t got something to be outraged about–they’ll invent a reason.
I call my toilet Muhammed.
The kind of people who would lash a woman for [name your poison] don’t deserve the following:
Mercy
Forgiveness
Paradise
Virgins
May they rot in Mohammed Hell.
They would probably be rejoicing had the teddy been named Osama.
They should try being a Christian for a day. There isn’t a day that goes by that Christians aren’t maligned. Plenty of actual offenses to choose from…
By their logic we need to round up the Jesus’ of the world and exact revenge.
A 7-year old girl in high school? Let’s see…prom at 9? Married at 10?
I still believe that it will be an incident like this which will ultimately officially start WW3. Another stupid demand by Muslims will be finally be followed by Western resistance, Muslims will push back with riots, the riots will turn ugly and then it begins in earnest.
I’m looking forward to it.
Teacher employs many ways to use this toy to teach her pupils.
I hope the lesson learned by these children is how much their teacher cares and how messed up their religious laws are.
Upset by the name Mohammed, not Allah? Oh, right, I forgot: Good ol’ creature worship.
Nobody names their teddy bears “George W. Bush” anymore.
What would Mohammed do?
Oh yah, he’d probably cut her head off.
We have leftists with too much time on their hands, ready to protest anything.
They have freakjob zealots, ready to protest anything.
Only real difference is their zealots are willing to use more violence, with less incitement.
It’s a friggin’ teddy bear!
Did Mohammed ever say in the Koran that it is forbidden to have his name used in a “disparaging” way? If one is going to go crazy with this logic then the flag of Saudi Arabia must be banned as it states Mohammed in writing upon it. And perhaps the use of Mohammed as a name for children is blasphemy as no other could possibly equal his “greatness”. Incidentally, 40 lashes is so last millennium. Oh that’s right they are at least 500 years behind the times according to the Islamic calendar.
“I’m looking forward to it.”
The sooner the better Just to get it done with since it IS inevitable.
I don’t think so, because they are simply incapable of it. That’s why, in my opinion, they mouth off as much as they do. Look at it this way:
1. They claim to want to reign the world with a “new Caliphate”. The first one fizzled out quite quickly, as far as empires go, in comparaison with, say, the Roman, British, or Spanish empires. Nor was it ever as big in size.
2. A billion of them have not acheived much in acheiving their stated aim of destroying one tiny little country of a population of 7 million in the Middle East.
3. Their main method of stirring up chaos: terrorist attacks and guerilla warfare. While these are to be taken seriously and have to be dealt with severely, it’s the warfare of the weak. Julius Caesar, Napoleon and Alexander the Great aren’t remembered in history books for sitting in caves plotting punctual attacks against civilians.
4. They had better hope that a riot too many does not cause the West to retaliate. Europe, for one, has ways of dealing with minorities it doesn’t like, and I hope that we never have to see anything of the likes of that again.
They grow up so fast…
Darn, I was going to come out with the Islamic Terrorist Bear named mohammed but I guess I’ll have to name him Bear Akbar so I don’t get caught up in any controversy.
Right on, 30.
I can see why liberals love radical Islamists so much – both groups have no sense of humor, are easily offended by the most non-offensive things, are perpetually outraged, expect the rest of the world to submit to their whim and will, and hate Christians.
It really is a sad state of affairs. My prayers are with this teacher – perhaps she’ll go back to Britian and tell everyone just how “wonderful” life would be under shari’a law.
Teddy Bears! Teddy Bears….good grief!
I never liked Teddy Bears all that much. I’m more of a CAIR Bear kind of person.
30 – lmao – good one!
Naming a teddy bear after Mohammad isn’t an insult.
Pointing out that he was a psychopath, a pederast and founder of a religion that makes Scientology seem reasonable… now that’s an insult.
On November 26th, 2007 at 10:12 am, Canadian Infidel said:
“I still believe that it will be an incident like this which will ultimately officially start WW3. Another stupid demand by Muslims will be finally be followed by Western resistance, Muslims will push back with riots, the riots will turn ugly and then it begins in earnest.
I’m looking forward to it.”
I’m not at all sure that these perpetually outraged folk have any understanding of what’s in store for them if this “thing” really does get ugly here at home.
The average U.S. home west of New York is armed to the teeth. That’s a fact, Jack.
Thanks Englishqueen and Feebs.
James Felix, spot on.
How ironic. I just named my newly found three-legged mutt the same. And you’ll never guess on what I’m using for paper training….
As my Dad used to say, “They’d gripe if you hung ‘em with a new rope.”
Oh, great. You called your dog a mutt. Now you will have to keep an out out and look over your shoulder for the rest of your life!!!
What do you call a teddy bear with a limb missing? I don’t really care – it is still a flippin’ toy!
So, when you use address Muhammed every morning, am I to assume that you holler “Allah Akbar”, or do you just silently drop your offerings into Muhammed’s turban?
Instead of fussing over the name of Teddy bears, these people should be fussing over how to stop blowing each other up. All this fuss over western culture will get them nowhere.
Que pasa, Michelle?
The crime was allowing females to vote.
It’s a really good thing that this year’s animal wasn’t the wild boar that would really get them going. I bet poor Paddington Bear is running for cover in Londonstan until this blows over. He will probably have to hang out in the same safe house as Mr. Rushdie.
This is a pretty insane story. She didn’t name the bear Muhammad. The children did, by a majority vote of 20-3. That says that the children themselves do not see anything wrong with naming the bear Muhammad!
The Sudanese government is just itching for a fight.
In a rational world muslim’s would be 1000 incidents over the line and the problem would have been resolved – let us hope that th world will wake up, shape up and clean up this cancer on civilization.
40 lashes will torture this woman nearly to death. Where are the *bleeping* Human Rights Advocates now?? Speaking of “now”, where is “N.O.W.”??
The silence of these rent-a-mob folks is deafening.
“Faux News Alert”
Mohammed the “teddy bear” is missing!
Local police are following a polyfiber trail, the outlook is dim.
film at 11:00
When does she get the hymen replacement courtesy of the English Government?
But, in all seriousness, why would she have gone to Sudan to teach? Everyone in the world knows what kind of place that is, especially if you’re a woman. I just think she showed rotten judgement going there in the first place, notwithstanding the insanity of the situation in which she finds herself.
Nothing from this religion makes any sense at all. They try to find ways to say people should be killed or sent to hell or punished. What happened to ‘God’s will’? Seems to me this religion focuses on a lot of ‘people’s will’ over whatever ‘God’s will’ might be.
These people idolize everything.
Maybe she can make amends by stuffing the teddy bear with explosives and detonating it in the classroom full of 2nd graders – so long as she yells some apropos islamofacist slogan like “Allah akbar,” she should be forgiven and go on to her rewards (do women get 40 studs instead of virgins?)
There was a time, when selfless acts were commended. If someone was to go out of their way, to do good to others despite the harm it brings to them, these people were hailed as heroes.
Unity High School in Khartoum is run by Christians and it employs Christians. That alone should speak volumes about the motivations of Ms Gibbons. It is small details like this (conveniently left out by the MSM) that really illustrates which religion is truly the religion of peace.
Well after reading this I guess it is back to work. Got to get the plummers friend and force a pile of muhammad down the sewer pipes.
Can you just imagine the outrage if she’d named her piggy bank “Muhammad”?
OH! MY! GOODNESS!
…beaten to death by her male relatives at 11 for developing breasts.
One of these days, a couple of Muslims will put their heads together and decide to work on something worthwhile, something that benefits mankind. Then a few others will join in. Then, by virtue of their own efforts and creativity, they’ll start pulling themselves out of the Pre-Dark Ages.
At that point, and at that point only, will Muslims around the globe stop obsessively sniffing and inspecting all the sewers of life and claiming horrible outrage that things smell bad there. If they had their minds on anything, anything at all constructive, maybe the rest of us would have a chance of dealing with them.
Grow up, fellas, and stop projecting your inadequacies on the rest of us.
*calps for pgtips
Make that:
*claps for pgtips
.oO ugh
the Swiss have it right — Islam is a political philosophy; and have decided that anything referencing Islam (buildings, etc) will not be tolerated as there is only room for one political philosophy. Would that the US would wake up and finally realize sharia/koran is a political idea not a religion. The entire concept is not religious but political….
My uncle named his blue ribbon pig Mohammed for this last year’s county fair in Arkansas. No death threats yet.
Fred
If they really wanted to insult the bear, they could have named it Mohammed al Kennedy bin PelosiReid. That might stir up some legitimate outrage.
sarc
Michelle, that was worth one of your patented “snorts”!!!
By the way, I’d wager the climate bear wets itself when the temperature rises about 72.
Could we please keep an update on this?
I would hope and pray that this woman is
not whipped 40 times. It will kill her.
This really gets me going. Glenn Beck has had guests on his show asking for women from the USA to come foward for the women of Islam. I WILL NOT do that.
That would get me and mine killed. But I will stand up for a Christian teacher who went to a Christian school to help others.
Michelle, please keep us updated.
So, since it was, in actuality, the children who chose the name… will they get the lashes? What will become of Mohammed Ali? Are we, the unbelievers, eventually going to be forbidden to even utter, nay, write that holiest of holy names?
Have people had enough of this foolishness from them yet? No? What will it take? How far are they going to be able to go before we, as a collective hole, say “enough, we aren’t taking your foolishness and stupidity anymore.” When will this lie and infringement on people’s basic rights known as “multi-culturalism” finally be exposed for what it is? Will it be too late?
Muslims must be outraged when they are cast in hell after rejecting the real Truth of Jesus. Muslims being outraged over nothing like this shows that the religion definitely came from the gates of hell.
Rev Jim, what you say must happen will never happen. There ARE a few Muslims here and there, living in the comfort and relative protection of Western Civilization, who know that Islam must be reformed, and know what must happen in order to reform it. The problem is that they must remain in the shelter of our civilization, if they want to live.
The Wahhabists control the religion now, and they are funded by Saudi oil. They fund every Muslim school on the face of the Earth (including here in the US), and they are endoctrinating Muslim children that Jews are decendents of apes and pigs, and that Christians are infidels who must submit to their religion, or die.
The Wahhabi must be crushed militarily in order for there to be any reform in Islam. THAT is the only way.
Once upon a time an Ethiopian warlord kidnapped and abused a British subject. Now, this was in the days of the Raj, so reactions were a little different than in our enlightened day. The British sent an army of 40,000 men from India. In a full scale military campaign said warlord was killed and his petty little empire ended. The kidnapped Briton was released.
Does anyone expect the British government to rescue Gillian Gibbons from the islamist hellhole known as Sudan? Somehow I doubt that today’s British subjects can expect their government to react in any really effective manner to safeguard them. Offending third world thugs just isn’t done these days, don’t ya know.
sarc off
Let’s not forget that this teacher comes from a nation that is descending into Islamic rule, aided and abetted by foolish leftists, unfettered multiculturalism, and naive political correctness
That’s better!
I call what goes in my toilet Mohamad.
Seriously though, when is enough going to be enough? When are people going to finally get tired of hearing from these perpetually whiney crybabies? What aren’t they complaining about? What doesn’t piss them off or offend them? At some point, even the most Poitically Correct Liberal is going to do something that will send these whiney crybabies into the streets, burning cars and looting shops. Is that when it will be enough? how many people have been mursered by this religion based on their tender sensibilities? Are Liberals really more concerned about their feelings than human lives and thus will not tell them to their face to grow the hell up and knock off their tantrums?
Why won’t this country do SOMETHING to make it stop? There is a difference between Freedom of Speech and temper tantrums.
If you ask me, that needs to be the questions that need to be asked during the debates. Ask the candidates what they intend to do about the Islamic temper-tantrums that are thrown at the drop of a hat and that infringe upon our basic rights as not only AMericans, but as human beings. I think the answers that the candidates will give will speak huge volumes as to what type of President they will make as we continue into the era of the new Global Islamic Intifada. Will you vote for someone who rolls over and totes the Political Correct, Multi-Cultural line, or one who stands up for this country and it’s populace and what is right?
Years ago I was living in Libya and an English girl I knew who was a nurse at the local Oil Companies Hospital in Tripoli, found a puppy and jokingly named him Mohammed. For that offence she was deported back to Britain in 24hrs, leaving her husband and two snall children to follow at a later date. They had to apply for exit visas etc which usually took about a month to get. This was 30 years ago. Today they most likely would chop her head off. Muslims hate dogs. They think they are unclean because they lick themselves. Actually most Libyans I meet were terrified of dogs and the dogs did not much like them either!
Wow. That’s pretty harsh. Thanks for reminding me about the type of thinking that will keep me from ever becoming a Christian. Wow.
Also, note to self: “Never, ever travel to the Sudan” When you travel or live outside of the U.S., you are forced to follow the laws of the land….no matter how arbitrary and twisted they may be. I prefer to stay my tail right here in the U.S. of A. However, characters like these in the Sudan, are simply extremists, and one shouldn’t degrade the entire Muslim religion based on the actions of some radicals.
Interestingly hypocritical….
and…
The article said:
The child was NOT in high school, but in primary school.
You know… where they learn to R-E-A-D.
Feebie:
Where’s the degradation? I’m not degrading Christianity by simply stating that the views of people like garyt remind why I would never want to become a Christian. I reject the notion that one will burn in a lake of eternal hell-fire, no matter how quality of human being your are, simply because one chooses not to follow the teaching of Christ, and accept him as a savior. I’m not degrading it. I just reject it. I reject any organized religion with a similar ideology.
I’m not calling my toilet Jesus, or saying Christianity comes from the gates of hell. If you’re saying Garyt is a radical, I’ll listen, and consider any hypocritical aspects of my post.
If naming a teddy bear Muhammad is considered blasphemy, what would happen if a couple named their new baby Muhammad and the baby was later found to have a severe mental or physical handicap? Would the whole family be stoned for insulting the Prophet of Islam?
Be a Christian or don’t be a Christian…I could care less either way…but don’t point to ONE poster’s argument as the reason you are “reminded” why you would “never” become a Christian.
Give me a break.
Hey Buck I didn’t say Christianity was the only way to Heaven, but it was Jesus who said it. Do you want to call Him a liar, bigot? Jesus said He is the only way to get to Heaven and He also said most of the world as you do presently will reject Him and therefore be lost.
Well I guess I think Garyt’s view is fairly representative. Obviously, you haven’t accused me of being wrong on that point. Garyt just seems to have the guts to say it. I challenge it and reject it.
“…cast in hell after rejecting the real truths of Jesus.”
Sorry, that’s just ugly stuff, and I’m not gonna let it float out there unopposed. I think it’s an ugly side of Christianity, just like there’s ugly sides of Islam. No, I’m not comparing the severity so save me any comment on beheadings, child brides and 9/11. I’ll save you colonization,catholic pedophile priests the Westboro Baptist Church, and Richard Rudolph…. This isn’t about comparison. I also reject/condemn islamic jihadists. But I’m not gonna let Garyt use his soapbox to degrade another religion while demonstrating the vileness of his own dogmatic Christian views.
Garyt:
I’m not calling him a liar or a bigot. I don’t know him, nor do I know what afterlife holds in store for anyone of us. I don’t believe in blind faith. However, I have no interest in Jesus or his hefty ego it he really believes that you have to worship him to avoid an eternity in hell. No thanks, I’ll take my chances.
I just don’t believe in teaching kids that all of their atheist, agnostic,muslim, hindu, buddhist ect…friends and classmates, and all those who follow a different way, are going to burn in hell. Nah, no thanks.
Buck you can take your chances but if you are on the wrong side, you will not have a second chance. Jesus often said He is the only way to Heaven, and He paid a very big price paying for our sins on the cross. He loved us so much that He would have died for you if you were the only one He was saving. And yes you are able to know Him personally and have assurance of an eternal Heaven. I would rather trust what Jesus said than go on my own chances and Buck the world killed Jesus because they did’t like the radical things He said about them or their ways. Remember He Himself that most of the world will Hate Him and what He says.
wow! from teddy bears to buck i’s life story regarding religion. That diatribe may have landed you 200 lashes.
#68 – I am pretty personal about my religious beliefs. All I usually go into is that I was raised catholic – but I might flirt a little with my prior rule here….
I prefer to steer clear of using religious canonical laws or biblical references to argue political and legal points. Mainly because this is what Islam does, especially you garden variety extremists, and the other reason would be that quite simply, its apples and oranges.
I can’t say that said poster is helping me out here with my argument right now, but what I can say is that using him as a litmus test to all Christians is also a faulty assumption .
That said,
I think you are getting the boss man upstairs confused with the people you have mentioned above. There is a big difference between Jesus, and some people’s skewed interpretation of bible passages and parables.
Let me go on record by saying, I hardly doubt Jesus had an Ego.
And that is about as far as I’ll go with my religious commentary.
Gotcha. Take care.
Your children may want one too!
There ought to be a couple AC-130′s around to handle this sort of ‘court’.
Cult of the moon god. Coming to a city near you.
ROPMA
Go to:
thereligionofpeace.com
It will make your hair stand on end.
Buck: There is a huge difference between Christianity. I hope you’ll let me explain. Islam says, convert, submit, or die (and I’ll be the mechanism to help you die). Christianity says, we’d like you to convert, if you don’t, GOD will deal with you in the end.
One counts on God’s grace as a means of salvation, the other counts on acts of man. One has a loving personal God who chooses to extend an offer of salvation, the other is a god of wrath and hatred. I dare say, one is true, the other is false.
History has plenty of evidence for the truth claims of Christianity (notice I didn’t say claims of “the church”). Things like fulfilled prophecy and changed peoples lives. I think you’d be pretty hard pressed though to find evidence in history of the truth of islam.
I think that naming the bear is just a convenient excuse… what the people in charge are really upset about is that she introduced the concept of voting to girls.
Oooooh, how they hate that!
Buck:
Oh but you do. You believe that your “intellect and reasoning” is sufficient to accurately deduce the truth and reject any claims of superiority of anyone else. (ie – you have defined god in your own way and then reject any god that doesn’t “do it your way”). That my friend is blind faith.
Don’t know what you believe about the origins of life – but if it’s evolution, that is again “blind faith”. A belief that can’t be “proven” with conventional “scientific” methodology.
I could go on, but I will stop “preaching”. I would much rather invite you to re-consider your outright rejection of God and his offer of salvation. It’s not too late.
poor woman is right. my stomach is in knots.
human rights orgs involved as of yet? what about women’s rights orgs?
The Question I want to know: Does Mohammed the Bear Cr*p in the woods? I’m always being asked questions like that and never know how to respond.
She teaches at an independant Christian AND Muslim school. I suspect she thought she could help teach muslims that there are other options besides a suicide vest and 42 virgins.
She may be a liberal.. but her heart is in the right place. And you obviously don’t have one at all.
Conservative Russ:
I take offense to one of Garyt’s comments, and a couple other posts, and saw that they went unchallenged.
I’d consider myself an agnostic. I’m not afraid to say that I’m not sure why we’re here, or where we are headed. I don’t think anyone does, really, but many do have “faith”.
Islam has changed people’s lives for the better, and offered a sense of peace. The same can be said of Christianity, and countless other organized religions.
Islam, can also be used as a tool of coercion, hatred, and murder. The same can be said of Chritianity, and other organized religions. It’s been that way for thousand of years, dating back to and before the crusades.
Right now, our main national security threat happens to be people who use Islam, and twist it around for their evil motives…..Islamic Jihadists. Christians have done the same thing, but on a much, much smaller scale in recent centuries.
If a person has to accept Jesus as his lord and savior, to avoid burning in hell eternally that concept is as offensive to me as having to accept Mohammed as my prophet, or face hell eternally. I do understand that jihadists are our threat, but I have friends who are muslim who reject jihadists, and what they’ve done to their religion. Similarly, I have Christian friends who reject the extremeists in their faith. I personally reject the whole worship “so and so”, or burn in hell concept of either of the two. I’ll just try to be a good, son, brother, spouse, uncle friend, father, and American…..and then let the chips fall where they may.
Ahem. It really doesn’t matter to them what any of us think, feel or beleive in… if it is not what they belive in, then they want us dead.
BuckI, you write:
The thing is, the Muslim extremist tells you that you have to accept Mohammed as your prophet or he’ll saw your head off as soon as he can reach his machete!
Those here who write and take issue with your generalities regarding Christians do so out of love for you; not hatred of you. God is not angry when rejected by his children; he is heartbroken, knowing they have chosen to live without him.
That is the largest difference between the God of Christianity and the god of Islam.
Excuse me, but I’m not sure you understand Christian doctrine or the Bible by your saying this, because there is nothing that can be taken from the teachings of Christ or his Apostles that would lead one to use coercion, hatred, and murder against another person.
The main thread throughtout Christ’s teachings is that only grace and atonement can save us, and this grace comes from God only, and the atonement comes from Christ’s death–rather than the death of oxen, lambs, or other animals used in sacrifices. Christ died in order for that anyone who believes will avoid eternal punishment for their sins.
That this offends you is actually a rather arrogant reaction to me. I mean, it tells me that it doesn’t matter to you what God thinks, or that you will be in the presence of his holiness someday, having not been even the least bit concerned about it.
You say that I cannot know that there is a God, but I disagree wholeheartedly. Just because I cannot see him with my physical eyes or touch him with my physical hands does not bring the slightest question as to God’s existance, any more than I question your’s.
I do not just believe, but I KNOW that God exists. To me it is absurd to wonder about it, because to believe that everything that is simply happened is so absolutely ridiculous, it is to laugh to believe that you and I were the result of nothing becoming something, that became a human being, with the added magical elemement of time.
Besides that, I know that God is God enough to provide a way for mankind to know eternal truth, and that He can provide for us a way to Him that is beyond our pathetic efforts. All he asks is that we accept that Christ died for our sins, and that we turn from our ways to live for Him–by loving our neighbors, serving our fellow-men and women, and telling others about the truth that God has shown us through his word and what he tells us to our hearts.
If this sounds “offensive” to you, and it sounds as “extreme” as what these Muslims are doing in Sudan, then I do not know what else to say to you, other than you are terribly thin-skinned, and very possibly terribly narcissistic. I mean, if you think you’re ready to face the Almighty today, then there’s can’t be much else to say.
,but then he makes you suffer in a lake of eternal hellfire, correct me if I’m wrong. That’s where Christianity loses me.
As you probably know, since you used the word extremist, is that many Muslims find peace and love through Allah, and reject what evil jihadists are making their religion look like. Many muslims believe in peace and reject evil. I do understand our fight though:
I can’t argue with you there. I agree. I was told by a poster on a previous thread that I was going against my church’s teachings for going to Yoga class. I guess that is between me and the big guy, I too will take my chances. I am not fond of others telling me I’m going to hell.
BUT, I can’t ignore the fact with all things being equal that Islam is the more abusive, oppressive, intolerant, and violent religion HANDS DOWN. Christianity and Islam in that respect are incomparable.
OK, back to teacher…I am as infuriated at the absolute lack of outrage from human rights organizations as well as NOW and the lot.
Liberal or not, these groups cannot sit there in silence and let this woman walk the plank alone. If they do they are just as guilty and despicable as those creeps giving her the lashes themselves.
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You seem to have failed to read what I’ve said, and are using a pat answer saved for Christopher Hitchens or somebody.
I repost this:
and allow you to re-read all that went before and came after to realize that what you’re saying doesn’t apply to my thoughts.
This:
, particularly about some comparison about what’s going on in the Sudan,shows that you are terribly mistaken about anything I’ve typed. It just doesn’t fit.
Yeah, I’ll completely agree with that statement, based on how it’s being “practiced” by some really bad people. I do agree, but I think it’s the bad people, and not simply Islam itself. Many good muslims are repulsed by jihadists.
Any god who needs a group of crazy men to protect him from a teacher, a teady bear and a classroom full of kids is a sissy.
Oh, and getting offended by someone telling you that you need to accept Jesus or Allah or whomever to keep from burning in Hell is like getting offended by someone telling you that you should eat right and exercise to keep from dying young. To equate it in any way to an Islamonazi telling you to “submit or die” is, well, the kind of overreaction and intollerance that has led to so many Christians getting killed over the last century by people offended by their teaching.
And to bring up the canard of The Crusades as a way to draw some moral equivalence between the Christian Church and past and present Islam may work with your friends and neighbours, but is wasted typing here. Nope, here, where people know their history a little better than your average bear, it just reminds us why the Church felt it was necessary to fight The Crusades in the first place.
And why is that I only hear non-Muslims telling my how much Muslims hate jihadists? Whenever I hear Muslims speak, either on TV or in person, I hear them decrying “terrorists.” But, when push comes to shove their definition of “terrorists” usually includes Jews and/or Bush but rarely jihadists (except for one very dear Muslim friend of mine who thinks that jihadists should be taken out an shot). And then they usually bring up The Crusades or something goofy like that.
If you care enough, and don’t know any Muslims personally, broaden your social circle or visit a mosque.
Lastly, I don’t believe I have
equated anything about Christianity and Islam, or compared any moral equivalence
Obviously, I’m not blaming Christians as bearing all resposibility for the crusades. You gotta read it first, man.
Gotta go to bed, and listen to Sportscenter now, I’ll check back in tomorrow after 10 or so. later.
Got Muslim friends and had Muslim co-workers before, durring and after 9/11 but thanks for the tip. So, if someone commits mind-numbingly horrible attrocities in the name of a major world religion I should have to go to their place of worship to hear members of that religion denounce the attrocities? That’s funny whenever anyone does anything illegal or evil in the name of Christianity I hear Christian leaders and lay-people denouncing it at every possible opportunity. On TV, in newspapers, on the Internet…
I never said that you were “blaming Christians as bearing all responsibility for the crusades,” man, I said that you were drawing a moral equivalency, isn’t that what “the same can be said of Christianity” means?
And, uh, so, man, what was your point in bringing up The Crusades in the first place? You gotta think before you type, dude.
But you are right, there are evil people that will abuse any religion, or any other ideology for that matter and it’s not (necessarally) the fault of that ideology. But, I would say that Islam has been violent and oppressive since it’s inception and that that was, indeed, the intention and example of it’s founder. Christianity, on the other hand, was founded by someone who preached peace and love and those that have used it to kill and oppress have obviously bastardized His teachings.
And may I remind you that your first comment here was
So you obviously have same problem as the rest of us here distinguishing the words and actions of a religion’s followers from the religion itself. Unless, of course, you meant “theology” or “eschatology” instead of “thinking.”
Based on the actions of some radicals? I am getting really tired of this lame excuse. It is a lame excuse in that it is constantly used to excuse the repreated killings and maimings that are being done on an ever increasing basis in the name if Islam. Not just killings and maimings, but entire countries, sities, towns, counties, schools, offices etc., being held “hostage” over what they can say or do, what type of dress codes they can have, how they can function etc. It is being held hostage over what type of holidays they can celebrate and how, what type of swimming pools they can have and who can attend them and when. It is about what kind of comic strips can be drawn and who can read them and where and when they can be shown. What kind of television shows can be shown and what names now can be used on those television shows.
It is these few, this “minority” that you and other Liberals speak of, that is holding this country and others hostage over so many things now wit a very real threat of violence. It is do as they say or else they will riot, burn, destroy, kill, maim, etc. It is happening in Denmark, it is happening in France, it is happening in Spain and it is happening in England. When these minority groups are not appeased, or their delicate sensibilities are bruised, they are there, screaming about killing those that insult Islam, insult the koran, touch the koran, kill the pope, that the next 9-11 is coming, that the only real religion is Islam etc. They are out there in the THOUSANDS. They are in the streets in Sudan, in Libya, in Palestine, in Iran, in Afghanistan, in Syria, and in every other Islamic country as well as countries that are NOT Islamic.
So stop with this lie that it is such a small minority that is doing this. These are the people that are leading these countries. These are the Shri’ah courts that are running it. These are their leaders. These are what they are calling for, begging for. This is what they want to have in England, in France, in Denmark and yes, what they have listed as a condition for ending the war against the United States. You and other Liberals who constantly keep perpetrating the lie of the “Minority of Muslims” only help to make things worse by not telling the truth of what is really going on in the Global jihad and Global Intifada. It means you are either a complicit Dhimmi or completely and totally ignorant and bought and sold on the Liberal BS line.
As for your crap towards the Christianity posts, you post about one person who stated something where you claim that he is the reason you will never become a Christian, then in your next post, you past the drivel about not making an opinion based on a minority. That was incredibly hypocritical. It was one person’s belief, and you used it to form an opinion, then spun it around to cover your butt in true Liberal fashion. You even went so far as to fake being “offended” by the threat of being told that the Bible states that if you do not accept Jesus as you Lord and Savior that you will burn in Hell, as if it is anyone’s fault. Sorry if you don’t like it bub, but that’s what the Bible says.
However, your indignation and offense is fake. If you do not believe, then you cannot be offended. It is only those that do believe in a Hell that should worry. If, in fact, you do believe in Hell, then I would think you would also believe in a Heaven and in such, would be working towards the goal of making sure to do what it took to make sure you were to go there after you left this existence. The guide to getting there is in the Bible. Therefore, you would either be following the Old Testament, placing you as Jewish, or the New Testament placing you as Christian, which would have you accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour thereby guaranteeing you a place in Heaven so long as you followed His teachings.
So, what is it? You can’t have it both ways. You are playing in the wrong sandbox to try and pull the Liberal double-speak Jr. Your indignation is falling pretty flat. Maybe you should seek out Dem Underground to to have someone lick your wounds for you since you are so wounded by the thought of burning in a Hell of which you don”t believe in.
Trip trap trip trap.
Where are the feminists in all this? Since it doesn’t promote their far left agenda, it is ignored.
I’ve always thought of Michelle as “Our Lady of Perpetual Outrage,” but never with a negative connotation.
RetFireman. Thanks for the logical response. Unfortunately, these radical islamics are irrational, just like those in the USA in the 60s were, and still are.
One individual jumped over the counter at a local fast food place here, broke over 100 plates because he thought that someone at the restaurant was not served quickly enough. The “offended couple” left.