Ughhhhhhhh
You know those hotel workers who are supposedly “doing the jobs Americans won’t do?” Looks like one of the jobs the hotel workers won’t do is wash dirty glasses properly. MyFoxAtlanta, a local news station in Georgia, went undercover earlier this month to investigate housekeeping sanitary practices at several hotels–and once you watch the results of their hidden-camera probe, I guarantee you’ll never want to drink out of hotel cups or mugs again (via Duane at The Black Informant with a hat tip to Ace of Spades). Make sure to stick through ’til the end and find out where the rubber gloves have been:
Sure leaves a bad taste in your mouth, no?
Dana Fowle, the investigative reporter, blogs about the story here.
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#198:You might very well think it is a legit question.
But it’s beside the point: We don’t have a saturated employment market for white and african americans working in the hotel industry in the lowest paying jobs.
Quack. Quack.
The reporter did a follow-up story last night and did a hidden camera test at the Ritz Carlton. The maid just rinsed the dirty glasses with water and put them back as clean.
Oh, and she was white.
So illegals cant be white?
I don’t know who “they” is, Chapoutier.
I think it is safe to say the women in the video are Latinas. It is a safe assumption that these women are illegals given the employment demographic and the geographic location.
Sanitation isn’t cultural. If that was the takeaway message of use of the video to some, well then i’d say that resides in the small bean brain of the beholder.
But the takeaway message is that illegal immigration is a form of corruption that corrodes national standards of health and safety because of labor conditions.
The premise that somebody can enter the country illegally means that everything they do is tainted by the corruption. For example, if the women in the video are here illegally are they not part of the problem of contaminated glasses because a) they won’t object to the management practice of spray cleaning glasses because they have no recourse; and, b) if they have limited english skills, they can’t manage hazmats to begin with.
That affects me and my family. Our livlihoods are legal and they produce value that allows us to travel and see the country for business or pleasure. But at what cost? Are we supposed to say “oh it’s okay if i get a deadly staph infection or hepatitis?
No it isn’t. So I want the corruption that is illegal immigration to end so we can restore national health and safety standards that are affected.
Can we stop trying to do with this topic what we do when it comes to airport security and other issues involving Arab and Persian Muslims?
We’re surrounded by ducks.
So Hispanics can’t be legal?
again, who said anything about Hispanics?
Mookie: you are trying to make it a racial issue for Michelle Malkin. the follow up story proves it isn’t racially based.
The illegal alien angle to the sanitation problem is a labor corruption issue. Enforce the immigration laws. And bring back sanitation enforcement. These two issues are converging on a massive scale.
Laziness on the job is universal, not the norm, but it is an option. And management is not a champion in this area if it means saving money on dishwashers and soap.
By the way, what’s to say your white worker wasn’t here illegally from Romania, Czech Republik, or the Ukraine.
I hope Michelle keeps on keepin on with the documentation of the illegals and how they affect our lives.
His Panic.
Mookie- get yer butt to alpharetta georgia and take a poll in that hotel of who’s legal and who isn’t.
Surprise!!!!! most of them will run if you ask them.
Quack Quack.
Bear, as much as I respect and admire Michelle, I think she was off-base here. You don’t need to demonize an entire race of people in order to make a point about this country’s immigration problem. Michelle used that video to blame the sanitary conditions of hotels on illegal immigrants. No mention of hotel management or ownership and their policies, just the alleged illegal immigrants in the video. It was a easy cheap shot and one that, in my opinion, should have been beneath her.
Feel free to give them a call. I’m sure they’ll answer you.
Let’s assume that 75% of the hotel staff is illegal. If those hotel workers are replaced with legal citizens, should we feel free to lick our glasses before we drink out of them because they’ll be so clean?
Demonize is a pretty strong word there mr. mook.
I agree.
Wrong.
Please clarify this. Are you saying that it is not the illegal immigrants in and of themselves that are the problem, but rather the “labor conditions” that are the consequence of the hiring of illegals that lead to this type of lax sanitation?
If this is your contention, please state what “labor conditions” you are referring to.
#214 - not speaking for bear….he is better at it…
But, you get what you pay for, am i right?
corporations bending the rules to cut costs on labor, will cut costs elsewhere as well. On training, health and food safety, and bring down the wage levels taking these jobs away from other citizens or legal immigrants more than willing to do these jobs before the wage level dipped by illegal hiring practices.
take away from our citizens and hire those who break the laws from the get go. great philosophy.
Feebie,
Really it boils down to this….
1. Assume there is not one illegal immigrant in the US. Do you think our hotel glasses would be any more clean than they are now?
2. If yes, why?
The only answers I have been able to discern from this discussion so far is that some have posited that, because sanitary standards are apparently lower in latin america than they are here, that it is not unreasonable to think that this would have some impact on the level of service provided by hispanic hotel maids here.
If this is your argument, fine. I am not even going to necessarily disagree. But own up to your prejudices.
Or there is bear’s amorphous “labor conditions” argument, which you nobly try to defend.
But the corollary to your argument is that if every illegal immigrant was replaced with a legal citizen corporations would suddenly be inspired to increase its standards and provide proper training.
That or else you are saying that hotel owners wouldn’t need to keep such an eye on the help because a citizen would naturally have higher standards of cleanliness.
Which is it?
oy -
owning up to my own prejudices…okay. Yes. I have a problem with illegal immigration, ESPECIALLY since I come from a family of LEGAL immigrants from South America. I think what they do by coming here illegally and brining down wage levels and breaking our laws is offensive to me, my family…and most Americans. Yes, i think that they are not as well regulated (potable water??)-things that work in latin america…don;t fly here. If they are not trained, or told otherwise…well there you go. If they don’t speak English…well, there you go…If they don’t have training programs or safety updates and newsletters, well there you go… So don’t try to threaten me with that one…
I am not defending bear…
I think a citizen is just as capable of taking a floor towel, flushing a toilet, sniffing it and then rubbing it on a glass i put my mouth on…. but that is not the point.
The point is to quote bear:
I love it. It works something like this.
Conservative: Here’s my valid point against illegal immigration.
Liberal: You’re a racist!
Repeat as needed.
Feebie,
So you think that:
1) the issue is that their bosses are forcing them to take these shortcuts; and
2) that if they were legal, they would rise up against their tyrant bosses to protest the deplorable things they are forced to do with our glasses?
This is not about being for or against illegal immigration. This is about making the argument that illegal immigration is why we have dirty glasses in hotels. Even conceding that the maids in the video were here illegally, you still must make the causal connection between their illegal status and the dirty glasses. In other words, it is not enough to say that if that maid in the video were not here, that glass would not be dirty. You must have some sort of evidence that the dirty glass is caused by something intrinsic to the maids illegal status such that if that room were being cleaned by a legal citizen, chances are that the glass would be clean.
Re: an apparent language barrier. I think this is weak. How much english does it really take to convey that one is to replace a used cup with a new, sanitized one? Really, you conlu do that with pantomime.
Re: “no training programs or newsletters” if this is really your argument, it seems more of an issue with poor management and poor supervision.
Come on. We all know the issue here is a peon worker who is trying to cut corners. In all likelihood, her bosses have showed her exactly what to do and she knows exactly what she should do with a dirty glass. She chooses not to do it because of laziness. Now, from this one can assume that:
1) laziness transcends race or nationality, in which case this is not an immigration issue because the results would be the same no matter who was cleaning those rooms;
2) you believe hispanics are inherently lazier;
3) illegal immigrants are inherently lazier;
4) a combination of 2 and 3.
I think the truth is probably 1. Which is why I am amazed MM would use this video to make some point about illegal immigration.
no
more or less, but i am not fond of how you phrased this question…specifically the use of the word FORCED…I never said that.
and there is the crux of the issue. we don’t agree here, just paint me a racist and be done with it. We just will not be able to meet eye to eye, any way we slice it if you and i cannot agree that this is an immigration issue, not dirty glasses or tyrannical bosses or FORCING people to not clean when they are suppose to.
Happy hotel hunting!!!
yeesh… you could
GREAT! Then I would rather have this job go to a lazy American citizen then a lazy illegal immigrant. Feel better now.
ps. An American citizen can be white, latino, black or chinese…they just didn’t break our laws to get into this country.
I am not painting you as a racist. And I actually have little problem with the general position on illegal immigration that is held here.
The issue is that I think this issue has nothing to do with these maids’ legal status and more to do with 1) general human nature when it comes to menial labor and 2) lax supervision. Thus I do not see this as valid basis to support your stance on immigration as I doubt there would be any difference no matter who was doing that job.
Now, feel free to disagree and say that something inherent to their status as a hispanic or an illegal (or both) makes the outcome we saw in the video more likely.
But you are conceding that this would do nothing to solve the problem of the dirty glass?
Again, and read this slowly because it is subtle….I am not arguing against your position on immigration. I am debating against the arguments you use to reach that conclusion. One can be perfectly correct in saying X and still be wrong on the logic they use to get to that point. That is why they make you “show your work” in math class.
Seriously, is this how you manage civilized conversations with people…talking down to them??? Like they are in the 3rd grade. How is that working out for you???
The truth is I could do cartwheels, draw you pictures or throw a dirty glass at your empty noggin’!!!! It won’t make a difference.
I would rather pay a citizen to do a job just as well than someone else that is being paid lower wages and is NOT here legally to “do a job Americans just won’t do”
That said, your chances are BETTER getting compliance from a citizen here legally, with higher wages, benefits and earning potential, future raises, promotions etc. then you do with an illegal immigrant (not my fault corporations exploit them..but they do). And just to head off your racist comment, no i don’t believe it is because illegals are not smart enough, clean enough…etc. but that corps are exploiting cheap labor - and they don’t HAVE to, what is the illegal going to do…go to the Dept of Labor??. There is absolutely no incentive.
With a citizen with more opportunities.. you MIGHT have a better chance at clean glasses. Although…laziness, etc. is not a cultural issue.
Game, set and match chap. Thanks for playing bear, maybe next time. Bear, you seem to be a fairly intelligent guy and are a pretty entertaining writer, but in this thread you were just trying too hard to be clever.
Poof…bear could out-wit you and everyone here with half his brain tied behind his back….
dakine…poof…be gone.
Next census:
__ Evil White/European
__ Native American
__ Asian
__ African
__ Hispanic
__ Illegal Immigrant
__ Other
So you concur, you don’t agree…yeh yeh yeh, attorney lingo for I’m smarter than everyone else because I went to law school and sue people for a living”…yawn.!
dakine - and another thing you little weasel…you always jump in on stale threads at the last moment, drop your bomb, and leave…just to get the last word in so no one will call you on it.
Don’t think I don’t notice it…
weasel.
Thank you feebie. I concede my tone may have been a little immature on a site where such mature terms as “crapweasel” and “dimmocrat” and “libtard” are used every other post.
Again, how does this statement forward your argument that dirty glasses are the fault of illegal immigration? Really, are you reduced to arguing that americans can do as lousy as a job as any illegal can?
Please explain how your average hotel maid, legal or not, has any realistic chance at higher wages or benefits or promotion or that illegals are not promoted at the same rate as legals citizens in these types of positions.
I am not being racist. I actually do believe that any low wage worker (regardless of race or nationality) has little incentive, absent strong supervision, to put 100% effort into their crappy job. Just human nature. We’ve all done it.
I think I get what you are saying here. That, basically, the maids don’t WANT to do a crappy job. Its just that their gosh-durned bosses put so much pressure on them to get those rooms cleaned that they have no choice but to cut corners, and damned if they can’t do a thing about it because they are here illegally. This assumes 3 things, each of which is spurrious:
1) the management is forcing (or at least strongly encouraging) these practices
2) the maids object to them
3) that the average legal citizen is more likely to speak up against such practices by management. I mean, come on… If you are working as a maid in a hotel, legal or not, you are likely not in an economic position to ruffle many management feathers.
Pretty uncalled for feebie. My comment wasn’t directed at you, and as far as I can remember, I’ve never engaged in any sort of personal attack on you. I often times come late to these thread because I obviously don’t spend as much time on this site as you do. Check it out quickly maybe once or twice a day for a couple of days and then maybe not at all for a few days. Sorry to tell you that I have a few other things to deal with on a daily basis. You’ll also notice that I have the very first comment on this thread.
I know bear’s your boy and all, but he (and you for that matter) got his tail kicked up and down this thread by chap. C’mon feebie…keep it civil. Weasel? Really? You’re better than that, aren’t you?
Well I feel certain that I am smarter than you. But in any case your “just attorney lingo” statement is just you trying to avoid the fact that I am right.
And I have never sued one person, either personally or in a professional capacity. There are many types of attorneys, sweetie. I actually help rich people and companies keep their money. So I should be quite popular here.
But way to try to shift the argument.
Oh and as to your comments toward dakine…he had posts 1, 10 and 104 on this thread so not really a case of jumping in at the last minute is it?
But don’t let facts get in the way.
Nice chapoutier. That’s about what I wanted to say, but didn’t have the seeds to do so.
weasle
And there we go. No real rebuttal. Just name calling.
Please, feebie. Defend your position. I welcome intelligent debate. You were close with this:
You might actually have a legitimate argument there. You just need to connect the dots a bit more.
how big of you, really.
It doesn’t forward anything…it was a statement. If I am gonna have dirty glasses either way, I’d rather have a legal citizen employed than someone who isn’t here legally to begin with…who drops wage levels down. Period. Please…stop talking about dirty glasses….your giving me the huzz.
Was this rhetorical? A citizen, here leally, who speaks the English language, has more of a chance (not an absolute) of working their way up…yes, that is what I am saying. In the hotel industry you will be more visable to your employer for other positions if you speak English. Disagree with me, fine…but it is what it is.
No, your not racist,,,just an elitest snob who despite how smart you may think yourself to be, who probably has never been a sucessful manager with this type of attitude. There are people out there who take pride in their work…no matter what income level or “menial” you may think it to be. ITs called a work ethic….i’ve always had one, no matter what job i was working.
One, don’t think. Two, don’t purposely rephrase my words and twist them into something they are not, moron. I am tired, punchy and irritated. Three, your assessment is WRONG.
When the upper management has a disconnect with something as important as communicating their standards, safety, etc. directly with their employees…yes, that is a problem. Communication is the signle most important issue when properly managing a workforce. Here there will be an absolute lack of cohesion, respect, morale, etc.
Besides, who can respect hiring practices of a company that from the get go is not above board. Little lie Big Lie. Little bending of rules…Big Bending of Rules…
Look, we obviously don’t agree on this…and probably never will. Your contorting of my sentances and little jabs at my intellegence speaks volumes about you as a person.
I could give two hoots if you are smarter than me (or think so)..trust me, I won’t be losing any sleep over it.
And that little toadie of yours with no seeds… needs to own up to his little late hits. So what…so he posted 1st and 3rd and 104th… Fact is, bear is long gone and he is throwing low blows because he know bear is not hear to bite him on his tukis.
Cheap shots, the both of you.
PS. background is in law. never went to law school because i did not want to lose more brain cells and become an arrogant jackass. (oh, and as a white female I have debt up to my eyeballs in college loans i pay off - because I didn’t qualify for many grants…so I worked full time and went to school at nights…fancy that - i did it myself…without asking for handouts or using my ethnicity/moms ethnicity as a means of getting charity or favors I didn’t deserve).
Yeh, fancy yourself smarter, eh. Well, I can live with that…can you live with being a total jerk???
#238 - I am done with you.
Well, whoooptie freakin doo, dakine. You want a brownie button, you turd.
Then what the hell is this thread about?
I agree. So stop saying it.
And it would be super if everyone had it. But we know that is not the case, don’t we. Now if you want to say that hispanics or illegals are less likely to have a work ethic well then….all I want you to do is say so and tell me why you think they possess this character flaw.
If you don’t want me to misinterpret you then make sense.
I was unfortunately tasked with trying to make sense of that “sentence”. If I misinterpreted your ramblings, I do apologize.
So this is a problem with management, and not the employees.
The cheap shot here was somehow trying to equate illegal immigration with gross hotels. I know its tempting for you and Lou Dobbs to blame the spook hiding in the shadows for all of America’s woes, but it just ain’t so.
And sister, you brought up the lawyer thing, not me. You made it personal. So don’t take that attitude. You calling me an elitist snob is laughable seeing as I grew up on a dairy farm in upstate NY where my parents probably made 55 k a year both working, I worked to get a full scholarship to college, worked to get into one of the best law schools in the country, which taught me how to actually think, and will be paying off those law school loans for the next 15 years. Yeah. Friggin silver spoon I got.
Oh and before you say too much more about me, look at AlohaGuy’s posts here. he says pretty much the exact same thing. Is he a troll or a weasel?
Indeed a hotel management problem - however if a hotel isn’t willing to make sure their staff (whether they be employees or contract-agency help) is legally-authorized to work in the USA, what other corners are they cutting as well?
To me the report is typical tabloid-TV “journalism”. I wonder if the TV station management made sure they didn’t visit any of their advertiser’s hotels before doing their “hit-piece” ?
What these reporters did is something the local or State health authorities should be doing - and what hotel management should be doing as well.
Once again, it would be so much better for hotels to simply use disposable cups and tumblers if proper sanitization of glasses is soooo costly - but the sleazier ones I’m sure would want to reuse even *those*!
Somewhere in this world there must be a low-cost, lightweight portable drinking glass sanitizer.
Sanitation issues with inns and hotels is a classic problem going back many, many years. This is a line of business which requires fairly close State supervision to protect the public health and safety.
Feebiebabe, are you sure you’re not a liberal? You certainly argue like one with the name calling and personal insults.
Wow, Looks like the mail room was full last night. I hope when you hand the hard work you put in on that thesis of yours it has more as you say “connect the dots” arguments otherwise you will fail miserbly. Maybe watershed can correct some of the spelling and grammar for you as well.
This story is so wrong on so many different levels from employment to health department and yes heaven forbid IMMIGRATION and education it’s sickening. For claiming to be Lawyers it sure does seem you have a blantant disregard for Enforcing any of our laws.
Have no fear though if you dont make the grade as attorneys you may be able to get through life in hotel management and still be able to turn a blind eye on public safety.
Feebs - Thanks for taking it to the trolls.
They’ll never understand the point, they’re just here to try to get us upset and make us think we’re the problem. Regardless of how many times they point out that the illegals are just like us and how they’ve seen citizens that are filthy, they can’t get away from the fact that these people come from third world countries and don’t understand the need for basic sanitation and cleanliness.
crapoutier - Sounds French. Why didn’t you capitulate like 20 minutes into this fight?
Dakine and Chapoutier…
Thank you for reinforcing my opinion of lawyers which was formed over 30 years of watching them work. Name calling, stretching to reach a position, twisting comments to suit your need, etc.
Flapdoodles one and all. By the way, if the crapwesel fits, wear it.
Yeah. That is exactly what I said. Way to nail it.
Look, send all the illegals home you want. Do it because they lower wages and take jobs from citizens. Do it because it is a national security issue. Do it for no other reason than they are here illegally. Do it for the myriad of other legitimate reasons one could cite. Just please don’t try to do it based upon the faulty logic displayed here by MM, feebie, bear, et al.
And again, AlohaGuy made pretty much the exact same points I did in #113. Who is calling him out or making up silly little names for him?
One last comment and then I am done. trinitytim….please show me one post, just one, where I or dakine have resorted to name calling? On the other hand, I can show you plenty that are being thrown AT us for simply having the gall to disagree, including your own post. If the hypocrite fits, wear it. OK maybe that was calling you a name. You win.
And the biggest stretch made here was the original premise of this stupid thread.
Premise and stretch? hardly. and yes this was turned into a stupid thread when bigots and racists accusations started to fly. dakine holding you nutcases up for you claiming VICTORY! is a hot one, I nearly had an accident laughing, go back to the mail room and read chapter two instead of quoting the forward on volume 1 of any law book. hack.
AJ you have yet to contribute one useful thing to this thread. While I disagree with dakine and bear and number of other posters, at least they tried to articulate an argument.
If you don’t want to have a rational discussion, and instead just want to throw around silly names and ad-hominem attacks (which by the way are more effective if they have some basis in reality. I mean, really, where is this “mailroom” crap coming from?). Go right ahead. But you are making yourself look more and more foolish.
More name calling? DKos taught you well, huh?
I’d rather talk with someone more intelligent thanks for asking though. buh bye.
#250
Wow…well I was going to watch Survivor on Tivo, but this is wayyyy more entertaining.
Don’t give up yet Chapoutier/Feebiebabe! You have Feebiebabe/Chapoutier right where you want him!
(Just kidding.)
As far as ad hominem attacks, I started here a few weeks ago with only polite words and a differing opinion. I got instantly attacked verbally by myriad posters on here, ad hominem. It does rub off, obviously, after days of being insulted and belittled for an opinion that is left of let’s say, infinity, and I admit I have been less than civil back lately. I see Chapoutier’s posts following a similar arc, unfortunately, but I can’t blame him/her. The regulars here are absurdly harsh. But this is of course a site that commonly uses words like “nutroot” to describe liberals/democrats, so I guess you should expect that going in.
Lawyer talk for You’re Stupid
Lawyer talk for You’re a Racist.
Probably could find more but I have to go to work now.
Also, your support for Watershed’s comments shows your tacit approval of everything he said which included a number of inappropriate terms.
Just my opinion. You’re entitled to your opinion and you can certainly express it any time you want. At least here, you get that opportunity. At Kos, conservative comments are deleted minutes after they are written.
That is the difference between Michelle and Kos. Michelle is fair, Kos is a dictator.
MM and kos are incomparable.
If you guys think we are so offensive to your delicate sensibilities, why don’t you all give up posting rights and go elsewhere.
Who’s comparing MM and Kos?
An open post to all posters and chapoutier:
Question:
I would like to direct that statement (your honors) to your following postings by chapoutier…
Well, looks like name calling wasn’t necessary for you, was it ? Calling someone a moron, or a weasel, IMHO is far less offensive then the statements you have purposely worded as an underlying insult to me - then parading yourself about like are above reproach.
You minus well have saved yourself the key strokes because what you were really calling me was, Racist, Rube, Lazy, Uneducated, and Stupid. But, you are dumb as a fox on that, right?
Just because you make it sound pretty, doesn’t make you above your own rules regarding “ad homonym attacks” and “epithets” thrown out at others. I would submit that when one actually spends time on fashioning a statement to belittle someone, it would seem this may be a lot more disparaging than an occasional moron here or weasel there.
And NOW, I am done with you.
RE Mookie’s statement above…
Cookie…you’ve almost got it…just go read the posts above and “connect the dots”, pumpkin! We are all pulling for you…..
Feeblebabe…show me where anyone compared Michelle to Kos. I’ll wait.
I believe the rats at the KFC in NYC were Norwegian…
Dakine and Chapo- i always operated under the impression that to have a debate, and to declare a winner, that your opponent had to be present.
I signed off well before you began your magic.
I wished I’d been here to witness it.
Really.
Touche Goulet!
That is the problem, your assumptions, and is exactly what I was explaining in post #107. Taking what was displayed in the video, and making your assumptions, is lazy analyis, and lazy, and offensive shenangans by MM. I too am against illegal immigration, but to quote someone who summed up this garbabe of a blog perfectly
Exactly.
And this “gem” from #107:
Buck, go wipe your sniveling nose. You are soooooo offended. What are you doing here? Trying to referee and make a privately owned political blog more “humane”? Take a hike.
What was implied? What is clearly outlined is that Illegal Immigration is *contributing* to a huge problem that is escalating: disease outbreaks. Any population scientist will tell you that mass migrations of people spread disease.
Well, news flash: here is one way that it happens.
If the expose was on hicks from southern Idaho working at the Motel 6, well I guess we would be concluding the same.
But we aren’t talking about 30,000,000 hicks from Idaho moving all around the country and saturating an employment niche in the USA, now are we?
Your assertion, that something implied is offensive, is nothing but PC crap for consumption by critics of Michelle Malkin.
Here’s another news flash: this post I am making has a better chance of showing up around the blogosphere than your tinsel because it has substance in discussion of the PROBLEM— not liberal moon loon parlor tricks.
Again, in case you missed it, Bucky, my assumptions are not the problem. The problem is 30,000,000 Mexican Nationals here illegally.
The impacts on our system are real. Do you pay taxes, Buck? Do you pay public school taxes, Buck? Have you seen what they are paying for? Do you have state penitentiaries, Buck? Do you have nearly 30 per cent of your incarcerants that are Mexican nationals? Do you illegal workers contracting and then ditching their clients after the job is half done?
They are not all saints, Buck. And the number who are not is growing. That is a fact.
But why is the burden of proof on people like me to prove jack squat about the problem to do nothings like you— the pompously pious ones who are “offended” by something implied.
Now what part of trend analysis do you not understand? People trend in ways that define certain demographics that are estimable quantities. This way of bean counting (no pun intended in reference to the Mexicans in question or that precious nubbin between your shoulders)saves money and time counting people, what types of jobs they have and where they have them.
The problem is your bleeding heart obsession with holding anybody with a differing opinion to the standard of having to be exactly right about every individual human being here illegally.
This is not a court. It is a discussion of political realities— and being offended and morally aghast by people with more guts than you is all you got.
Get a grip on reality, Hombre. 30,000,000 people here on the sneak have gravitated into two key industries: hospitality and domestic services. That is the trend. And it is a perfectly humane estimation to make that if I walk into any of those Alpharetta Georgia hotels, that over 2/3rds are going to scram or walk away if i start asking for their papers.
Deal with it. Safe assumption.
The racist assumption is the one made by people on this thread that criticize reasonable positions like mine, and suggest that every single Mexican national here in violation of our laws is to be protected from any kind of scrutiny.
That is putting some kind of liberal racist mantle of moral impunity on a vast number of human beings who put their pants and shoes on just like I do, warts and all.
And frankly, it’s an ignorant obsession. It gave American Indians the “noble savage ethos” that is a repugnant lie. It gives Asian the “model minority” myth to live up to.
So step off with your cheap, loathsome arguments that prove nothing except that you are too dull to figure out what you’ve been swimming in all your life.
The video was presented on a specific topic that some Americans don’t have the stomach to confront. They want it nice and neat and “fair”.
Got news for ya, Bubz: illegal employment of migrants from Mexico and the means and decisions to come here illegally in the first place is a nasty, corrupt business proposition.
Disregard for our basic laws doesn’t suggest respect for many others, the least of which is sanitation and hygeine in corporate owned restaurants and bed chambers.
Do you have the stats on how many of these jobs are occupied by illegal workers? By American citizens?
The video illustrates how at least 8,000,000 illegal workers might be part of the problem. Is it all the video is doing? Nope. It illustrated the corporate management part of the problem. Two dimensions. Isn’t that offensive? Or do things that are beyond implying simply not offend you?
Thanks for letting me knock your lazy liberal obsession out of the park. And don’t waste my time trying to pose me as some kind of racist-by-innuendo because you can’t argue your way out of a paper bag in defining the basic problem the video is about in the first place. Along with the rest of your ilk who hang out here trying to discredit a blog.
Go collect your Media Matters paycheck and eat your “picked by a Mexican” baby green salad.
And here is a little capstone for this love fest of a thread.
From the Center for Immigration Studies:
“Increasing the Risk for the Spread of Communicable Diseases. Because they often do not receive routine preventive care and often seek out medical attention only when their condition is more serious, the uninsured unintentionally extend the period of time the public is exposed to communicable diseases. This problem is of particular concern among immigrants, because most come from developing countries where communicable diseases are more common. ”
Only 13.9 per cent of the native born population (including kids)of the US is uninsured medically— despite the hoo ha published by the Dhimmicrats.
PS: Compared to nearly 33 per cent of Mexican immigrant “households”.
People on this thread who chastised Michelle Malkin for making “offensive” suggestions that Mexican workers spread disease are flat wrong— all they can do is argue that if Michelle Malkin cannot prove on the spot how much each individual Mexican who has migrated illegally to this country accounts for in total disease spread to the public, then she cannot say anything at all about the problem, not even on a case by case basis (as she has in reporting individual cases of rape, murder, drunk driving manslaughter—all by illegal migrants.)
I am adding to this thread way after it is over because I had to work and didn’t have the time to trace every argument offered by liberal trolls who are doing their “best” to take down a credible and reputable conservative blog.
So this is my part in trying to disrupt that effort.
They will not pass. I will never submit.
Now, let the weekend begin.
Game,Set,Match.
You know what bear. I am done too. I had started to write a long post demonstrating just how inane your posts were, how when all of the sudden people were called to task on their comments their arguments suddenly shift and everyone takes this “oh no that’s not what I meant”, how you yet again ignore the fact that no one was arguing against illegal immigration, just on what we say as an unreasonable basis to support it, the childish name calling and hyperbole, thrown around, and in general the inability to see past anything but your blind, furious rage that MM does a fine job of feeding.
You are right, this is not a courtroom. You are free to spout off most any sort of ridiculous crap in this forum. But that doesn’t mean that anyone has to take it seriously. And thankfully the nation is waking up to the horror that was the last seven years of nutcases like you running it and are starting to ignore you as I shall.
Have fun shaking your little fist in fury as the idiocy and hatemongering propogated here falls further and further in into irrelevancy.
Mods or whoever, feel free to take my registration and give it to some MM sycophant. It is clear that is all that the rest of this board can handle, either intellectually or in maturity.
Buh-Bye Chappy
Here’s a tissue. You failed to make your argument. You dismissed mine. What’s left?
Inane? Crap? Try your logic: We are against “A”. “A” begets “B”. Therefore, “B” is inane crap.
Chapo- you had your lunch eaten on almost every thread here because you dealt with the minute aspects of arguments and tried to condemn the argument based on that.
In the future, when you return under a different name, remember to reflect the argument back- and dissect rather than dismiss.
Your courteous flatulence will be replaced by some other newcomer.
Sorry didnt read all the responses so if I mimic someone else I apologize. This is not just a management problem, but an immigration problem as many legal and/or US Americans would not let this go or do this sort of behaviour knowing the health issues and probability of losing their jobs if health inspectors find out and shut down the place.
But I agree that most of the responsibility falls under the management/owners of these establishments as they are looking for corners to cut by hiring illegals in the first place.