Digging out more CNN/YouTube plants: Abortion questioner is declared Edwards supporter (and a slobbering Anderson Cooper fan); Log Cabin Republican questioner is declared Obama supporter; lead toy questioner is a prominent union activist for the Edwards-endorsing United Steelworkers

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 29, 2007 12:47 AM

Welcome to Horticulture Journalism 101. (Keep scrolling down for new updates to this handy CNN/YouTube illustrated plant guide.)

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Concerned Young Undecided Person “Journey” = John Edwards supporter “Journey”

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Concerned Undecided Log Cabin Republican supporter David Cercone = Obama supporter David Cercone

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Concerned Undecided Mom LeeAnn Anderson = Activist for the John Edwards-endorsing United Steelworkers union LeeAnn Anderson

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Concerned Undecided Gay Military Retiree Brig. Gen. Keith H. Kerr = Hillary/Kerry supporter and anti-”Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” activist Keith H. Kerr

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The best thing about Republicans agreeing to do the CNN/YouTube debate is that it created yet another invaluable opportunity to expose CNN’s abject incompetence.

Retired Brig. Gen./gays in the military lobbyist/Hillary-Kerry supporter Keith H. Kerr wasn’t the only plant at the CNN/YouTube debate. The plant uncovering is in full-swing over at Free Republic.

Example: “Journey,” a.k.a. “Paperserenade,” the girl who asked an abortion question, is a declared John Edwards supporter.

You couldn’t tell from the video that CNN aired, where she’s wearing a plain shirt:

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But if you click through on her YouTube profile, you see her latest video in response to the candidates’ answers. And she’s prominently wearing…her John Edwards ’08 t-shirt:

In case CNN’s eyesight is impaired:

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How, you ask, should CNN have known? Well, on her YouTube profile, this woman links to her personal blog, where her user profile makes her political leanings crystal clear:

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Turns out “Journey/” “paperserenade” is also a big slobbering Anderson Cooper fan. She posted this video a month ago exulting that “Anderson Cooper said my name!” during a CNN viewer comment segment. She wrote, “Horrible video, but at least I’ve got some type of recording of this event that has made my week!:”

On her blog, she posted an Anderson Cooper segment from VH1 with the following comment: “Anderson officially had the Best Week Ever for the week of 10/26/07, and looked more delicious than a pic-i-nic basket while doing so. And lookie, I found the video and uploaded it to Youtube for y’all. :D

“Delicious!”

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Update: And another one…Brian McMurphy at SixMeatBuffet (hat tip See-Dubya) notes that David Cercone, the Pompano Beach, Florida, man who asked the question about Log Cabin Republicans, is a declared Obama supporter.

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His video:

Hillary must have shared a bag of her fertilizer with CNN. And yeah, it stinks:

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Update: And another one…via The Autopsy…The lead toy questioner, LeeAnn Anderson, who appears to be an ordinary mom concerned about her two children, whom she includes in her video, is a prominent Pittsburgh union activist–and aide to Leo Gerard, President of the American Steel Workers Union/John Edwards supporter.

Her video:

If you go to the United Steelworkers YouTube page, you’ll see that Ms. Anderson’s video question is the featured video…along with a John Edwards ’08 icon (click for full-size):

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“Constructive incompetence” or “convenient ineptitude?”

You decide.

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More: “Total crap.” Can’t argue with that.

Update: NewMuslim questioner was a former CAIR intern.

Update: CNN on the defensive. CNN’s Glenn Beck comments here.

Update: The foliage keeps blooming…a questioner working with Dick Durbin’s staff and a Richardson supporter masquerading as a Paulbot… and a former Jane Harman intern…and the “Blind Black Republican satirist” (a milder species, but still, all in the same family).

Update: Watch video of the disappearing plants. CNN cuts out Keith Kerr from the debate rebroadcast. Keep pulling those weeds…

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  1. #101
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:19 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    This is only he beginning folks. Just you wait and see what the Clintonistas will have up their sleeves once the general election campaigning starts.

    You wonder why I think Clinton will make the ticket? Because she will figure out a way to do so. Did you see that pompous answer she gave to Katie Couric when she asked what she would do if she didn’t get the nomination? Clinton’s answer…”Oh, I will”. Wow. Such confidence arrogance.

    Hillary Rotten Clinton is way too full of herself.

  2. #102
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:20 pm, Barry F. said:

    I never really expected the Republican CNN/You Tube debate to be anything but the joke it turned out to be.

    Good grief! The Democrat CNN/You Tube debate had a talking snowman and other oddball things that should have been a clue as to how last night would go.

  3. #103
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:21 pm, ajmontana said:

    john, yes, hillary camp did the usual colonel clink……

  4. #104
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:22 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    #95 – What was Hillary’s comment on the matter? I didn’t catch anything on the news yet.

    Oh, let me predict. It will be one of the following:
    a. I know nothing.
    b. It was probably the vast right wing conspiracy.
    c. All of the above.

  5. #105
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:24 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    At least now the Republicans have a legitimate excuse NOT to do anymore debates with CNN. Unlike the coward Democrats who are too afraid to do one on FOXNews.

    Cowards. All of them. Is this what we want for our country? A bunch of cowards who are scared of FOXNews? Imagine if they were confronted by real danger!

  6. #106
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:24 pm, dmacp said:

    Of course, the questioner about abortion is a lesbian….

    Ironic

  7. #107
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:26 pm, suzieviews said:

    *UPDATED* Listening the Rush Limbaugh radio program, it is revealed another questioner has connections to California Democrat Congresswoman, Jane Harmon to the CNN YouTube video submitted by Ted Faturos from Manhattan Beach, Ca on farm subsidies.

    Also confirmed via Rush Limbaugh, General Kerr has appeared on CNN prior to last night’s debate.
    on Assorted Babble by Suzie

  8. #108
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:27 pm, conservativesRus said:

    “Constructive incompetence” or “convenient ineptitude?”

    For libs I think there are other options. Both Constructive ineptitude and Convenient incompetence seem to win them votes quite often.

  9. #109
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:29 pm, Boomer said:

    It has been a busy day in my world today and I finally have had a chance to lurk and work. All I can say is “Holy Crap” what the heck is going on with these plants. I knew the retired one star was a plant, but this is plain dirty yellow journalism. Kudos to Michelle and those that took the time to alert us of this fraud. I really didn’t think the MSM good go any lower, I was wrong.

  10. #110
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:32 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Hmmm….have the Republicans used plants at Dem debates?

    Crickets chirping.

  11. #111
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:36 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:32 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:
    Hmmm….have the Republicans used plants at Dem debates?

    Crickets chirping.

    Considering the fawning nature of Dem debates thus far, I would be surprised if they did and if so, they failed to make an impact.

  12. #112
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:39 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I for one do not believe for a second that CNN was in the dark. I think they went looking for these people. Cooper may not have known, but that only makes him look foolish today…

  13. #113
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:39 pm, jukin said:

    I was only joking yesterday when I posted about leftist activists and staffers of democrat congressmen would be allowed in.

    Lo and behold.

  14. #114
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:39 pm, DesertLover said:

    suzieviews

    check out the link I posted in #39 on Kerr …

  15. #115
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:43 pm, RyanInSanJose said:

    This is the silliest thing I have ever seen on this site. You can only question our potential leaders if you belong to their party. Ridiculous.

    I was going to add to what’s already been said in response to this, but enough has been said to show how completely ridiculous this comment is.

  16. #116
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:46 pm, Rusty said:

    Yup, that’s exactly what it means. It’s called a primary which is only for members of the party.

    Again, it’s different state to state, but where I’m from, I’m allowed to vote in the Republican primary. And I’m a registered Democrat. Many states allow independents to vote in one primary as well.

    So Democrats have every right to ask Republican candidates a question.

  17. #117
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:48 pm, John Ansell said:

    You know, I think Larry King is loving this the most. The Pooper SCooper is getting hit hard.

  18. #118
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:48 pm, suzieviews said:

    *UPDATE* More info on Ted Faturos at Jason Coleman’s blog. Ted Faturos a former intern for Democrat Congresswoman Jane Harman.

  19. #119
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:49 pm, John Ansell said:

    Rusty, Then why can’t Republicans ask the Democrats questions? Double Standards. YOu libs are all the same.

  20. #120
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:49 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On November 29th, 2007 at 12:04 pm, Rusty said:
    Being a Democrat does not make one a “plant.” I support Hillary Clinton. Does that not mean I don’t deserve the chance to ask the Republican candidates a question?

    Rusty – The questioners pretended to be something they are not. Is that acceptable? Yes or no. Those are the only two acceptable answers.
    I understand by your previous comments that the answer is that it is acceptable. You are welcome to change your position and condemn the behavior or I conclude you condone it. If you condone it, please don’t complain to me when something fails and it’s discovered that the person who had the position falsified a resume. You can’t have it both ways.

  21. #121
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pm, Etan said:

    Great work outing these individuals, Michelle (and husband). I’d love to see more dirt on these plants in the future, AND the guilty over at CNN (Anderson Cooper et al).

    And just when we think CNN couldn’t get any lower…

  22. #122
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:54 pm, Rusty said:

    Rusty, Then why can’t Republicans ask the Democrats questions? Double Standards. YOu libs are all the same.

    Actually, this is the first debate I watched all year. If the previous debate didn’t have some questions from people who are obviously Republicans, I would be surprised.

    And let me reiterate that using someone who actually works for a campaign is unacceptable.

  23. #123
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:55 pm, John Ansell said:

    Well Rusty, looks like your an honest lib, something that is very rare.

  24. #124
    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:57 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    If Democrats have questions for Republican candidates, why can’t they just come out and ADMIT they are what they are?

    Why is it that Dems have this psychological defect they have to lie, lie, LIE???????

  25. #125
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:00 pm, granite said:

    Re #116:

    “…where I’m from, I’m allowed to vote in the Republican primary. And I’m a registered Democrat.”

    You mean that you can actually walk right in to the voting site, have the workers look up your name in the registered Democrats’ list, and receive a Republican primary ballot?
    Which state is this?

    Or, rather, do you have to “undeclare” (“unregister”) yourself prior to the primary election, in order to be able to choose whichever party’s primary ballot you wish?
    (Which is the case in my home state – NH.)

    Could you please let the rest of us know?

  26. #126
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:01 pm, Kovacs said:

    As of 8:45, according to her live-blogging, MM thought that the questions had been really good. They continued to be really good, even if you exclude the “plants.” So why all the whining? You either heard some useful back-and-forth among the candidates, or you didn’t. If you did, stop complaining, for pete’s sake.

    The real joke on the Republicans is that the confederate flag guy and the Bible guy weren’t plants.

  27. #127
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:05 pm, Salt said:

    On November 29th, 2007 at 1:32 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:
    Hmmm….have the Republicans used plants at Dem debates?

    Crickets chirping.

    Considering the DNC’s new “flip-flop” website, if they found any right-wing plants, I believe we’d be hearing about it. I would be very surprised if there weren’t some Kos kids looking.

  28. #128
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:11 pm, RyanInSanJose said:

    granite,

    I believe 20 states currently have “open” primaries, meaning you can vote in any primary, regardless of party affiliation.

    So why all the whining? You either heard some useful back-and-forth among the candidates, or you didn’t. If you did, stop complaining, for pete’s sake.

    If you don’t see ethics issues at work here, I can’t help you.

  29. #129
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:12 pm, Eric_CharlotteNC said:

    Kovacs said:
    The real joke on the Republicans is that the confederate flag guy and the Bible guy weren’t plants.

    The Bible guy was a Dem…that was very obvious last night.

  30. #130
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:23 pm, granite said:

    #128 RyanInSanJose:

    Do you mean regardless of current party registration, or regardless of past party affiliation?

    I know my home state changed ~10-15 years ago, I believe, to its curent practice.
    Up to 10-15 tyears ago, one had to be registered in a party, and then could vote only in that party’s primary.

  31. #131
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:27 pm, Salt said:

    #125 granite said:

    You mean that you can actually walk right in to the voting site, have the workers look up your name in the registered Democrats’ list, and receive a Republican primary ballot?
    Which state is this?

    Or, rather, do you have to “undeclare” (”unregister”) yourself prior to the primary election, in order to be able to choose whichever party’s primary ballot you wish?

    There are quite a few “open primary” states. Here there is a list (if you trust Wikipedia, but in this case the info can be verified so it should be reasonably accurate).

    However, if a Democrat chooses to vote in a Republican primary, he forgoes his chance to vote in the Democrat primary. There would be really only three reasons (that I can see) that someone would do this:

    1) “Raiding” – Trying to select the weakest candidate from the other side in order to help ensure victory for the other party (never proven successful)

    2) Person is truly independent

    3) Person is from the other party and in the process of switching over or is dissatisfied with the choices presented by his own party.

    Rusty, is there any reason you would vote in a Republican primary other than these reasons? (Not intended as a challenge, I’m truly curious.)

  32. #132
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:28 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    In SC we do not register by party affiliation. Voting in the opposing party’s primary is discouraged as unethical.

  33. #133
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:31 pm, IrishEyes said:

    What the real tragedy here to me is — since both parties are equally guilty over the years of such travesties —

    But the issue is that it was a “news” organization, ostensibly unbiased (bwhahahaha) doing this, not a political party – that is the tragedy. Of course, when you realize that CNN is simply a partisan wing of the Democrap party, then it all makes sense.

    Yes, it is despicable.

  34. #134
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:34 pm, Archon said:

    Mrs. Malkin, excellent job on the Wilkow Majority…I love my sattelite radio.

    The issue isn’t whether or not the questions were good. The issue is the unethical conduct of CNN and the Democratic party. As has been pointed out, there are open-primary states, that allow you to vote in a primary, regardless of your party affiliation (I have my own issues with that, but that’s another story). However, if you’re a democrat and want to ask a Republican candidate a question (how else can we convert them?), stand up and say it. Don’t pretend to be something you are not, just to ask a loaded question.

  35. #135
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:37 pm, sierra.caddis said:

    Why are these young woman that support John Edwards so butt ugly???

  36. #136
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:39 pm, right_on said:

    There is no planting going on. Hillary is not aware that there is involvement of her staff in the selection of questioners.

    Of course, we all know that the above statements depend on “What the meaning of is is!”

  37. #137
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:39 pm, Kovacs said:

    If you don’t see ethics issues at work here, I can’t help you.

    Please try. Because I honestly don’t see it. Unless you believe that only uncommitted Republican voters should have been allowed to ask questions. Because otherwise, it seems like the question is either a good one, or it isn’t. Take the woman asking about lead in toys, for example. Is that not an issue parents who are potential GOP voters might care about? Why does it matter that she’s an Edwards supporter?

    And I think a “YouTube” debate for Dems should absolutely feature questions from conservative viewers.

    Embrace some complexity, folks! Don’t be so afraid of the ideas of the “other side.” Prove you’re better than the Dems–if you have to look at it in such unhelpful, zero-sum terms (and obviously you do on this site)–and let your candidates answer their questions without belly-aching about it.

  38. #138
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:40 pm, Marshall Russ said:

    If it weren’t for the Blogs John Kerry would be president today. What Dan Rather tried to do would have been successful in throwing the election. Here, the Blogs uncovered CNN’s attempt to make idiots of the republican nominees by exposing so quickly the hypocrisy of the plants. The question now is, will the republican candidates allow themselves to be used like this again?

  39. #139
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:41 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Why are these young woman that support John Edwards so butt ugly???

    Actually, I was wondering if she was even old enough to vote!

  40. #140
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:44 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    Kovacs said:
    The real joke on the Republicans is that the confederate flag guy and the Bible guy weren’t plants.

    The Confederate flag guy is a Ron Paul supporter.

  41. #141
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:48 pm, conservativesRus said:

    #137 kovaks…although I addressed my previous question to Rusty – please answer the question as to whether or not a person should be who they claim to be.
    Yes or No would be appropriate answers.

  42. #142
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:49 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    What needs to happen in these debates is to ask the same questions to each party. The Dems never get asked any of this stuff and it is just assumed everybody knows their position so why ask. Imagine Obama or Richards or Hillary having to answer these questions. Instead they get crap about the environment and how quick can we get out of Iraq if you use every available commercial airliner, cargo ship and taxi.
    Why not ask the Dems about the Fair Tax or indeed go ahead and ask them about abortion, even if we know what the answer is. Let’s quit assuming.

  43. #143
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:54 pm, normsrevenge said:

    Plants’r'US

    The Dems new name for 2007 & 2008

  44. #144
    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:54 pm, jungatheart said:

    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:39 pm, right_on said:
    There is no planting going on. Hillary is not aware that there is involvement of her staff in the selection of questioners.

    Of course, we all know that the above statements depend on “What the meaning of is is!”

    Thanks, I needed a laugh.

  45. #145
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:01 pm, williamnr said:

    IMHO the whole debate format, and other debate formats of late, are beneath the dignity of our democratic system and belittle the office of president. Giving candidates 30 seconds to offer sound-bite responses to questions posed by media personalities or “average joe voters” adds nothing to the process. A real debate would have the candidates slugging it out defending their positions on issues they think are important and pointing out the problems with the other guys’.

    Even without the plants in the audience, allowing the MSM to control the questions and format is ridiculous. Dan Rather is screaming about a conspiracy where the government and big business control the news (presumably led by the enigmatic “Kenneth”) but here we once again see the MSM choosing what issues get addressed.

    No one except the left wing whackos and their MSM lackies would consider discussing gays in the military this year. It is not the issue it was in 1992.

    Questions asking Rudy about rooting for the Red Sox and asking Hillary about diamonds or pearls are demeaning to the process. We can thank the Clintons for going on late night talk shows and answering questions about boxers or briefs for the mess we have now. It is a shame everyone else tolerates it.

  46. #146
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:02 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Maybe we should send the DNC some Scott’s Weed Killer.

  47. #147
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:04 pm, jungatheart said:

    If you don’t see ethics issues at work here, I can’t help you.

    And this, I think, is the real problem. Some people genuinely don’t understand ethics except as an intellectual excercise. A real understanding of ethics requires an intact feeling function. It requires one to posess empathy, compassion and groundedness in reality rather than only being concerned with furthering one’s agenda.

  48. #148
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:05 pm, DesertLover said:

    Out of 5000 submitted questions they chose 32 … (I don’t count the stupid Yankees question they allowed at the end for Rudy) … thus far they have proven at least 6 of those were people that are already committed to Democrats they support and/or work actively for … that’s 6 opportunities for questions to have come from people with a real interest in the Republican candidates that were denied (or hijacked) …

  49. #149
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:07 pm, Salt said:

    #134 Archon-

    Well said.

    I admit that I didn’t watch much of the debate because MM and other bloggers do such a great job of summarizing it so I can avoid the painful moments, but weren’t the questioners introduced as “undecided voters”?

  50. #150
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:08 pm, groundhunter said:

    What would the questions have been if CNN had not stacked the deck? The questions had a deliberate design. Make Republicans look like Bible believing, gay hating, corporate farm loving, anti immagration fanatics that no one could love in a million years.

    What wasn’t aksed were important quesitons about security, the economy, illegal immigration and on and on.

    Stacking the deck robs us of a real dialogue over issues that matter. CNN committed a crime agains the democratic process and they need to be called on it. We are loosing our very democracy.

  51. #151
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:08 pm, Wile E Coyote said:

    There were many biased questions asked during the Democratic CNN/YouTube debate as well. Here’s a link:

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200711270007?offset=20&show=1

    Here’s my favorite:

    I’d like to know, if the Democrats come into office, are my taxes going to rise like usually they do when a Democrat gets into office?

  52. #152
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:08 pm, bipartisancomplainer said:

    So Democrats have every right to ask Republican candidates a question.

    Sorry Rusty, no matter how much you try to twist things, I will never think Democrats have the right to select the Republican candidate. And just like you do here, these people are just instigators who try to make trouble.

  53. #153
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:09 pm, conservativesRus said:

    jungatheart #146. I would respectfully disagree what is necessary to understand ethics. I’d suggest that even if a person has the attributes which you suggest, they still could completely miss “ethics”. To truly have ethics, you have to have absolutes and a source for those absolutes which is bigger than yourself. Otherwise, all ethics are “self based” and as such, then one can not say your ethics are wrong and mine are right? If the source is external and constant, then such a statement can be made with certainty.

  54. #154
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:10 pm, skey said:

    As far as voting in primaries go, here in Texas, in the past they would stamp your voter registration card indicating which primary you voted in, and only let you participate in a runoff election if you had the same stamp. I’m not sure if they’re still doing that though.

  55. #155
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:18 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    I’d like to know, if the Democrats come into office, are my taxes going to rise like usually they do when a Democrat gets into office?

    That’s a legitimate question because every time a Democrat does enter office, our taxes DO go up. In fact, Clinton wasted NO time doing that when he got into office.

  56. #156
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:20 pm, DesertLover said:

    conservativesRus

    I agree with you on the “self-based” aspect of ethics … but I think there are several levels of ethics we deal with … you are addressing “personal” ethics … which is an integral part of personal integrity and honesty … I believe we also deal with professional ethics in our chosen fields of work … CNN fails to abide by journalistic ethics … to me these are more “rules of conduct”" we call ethics …

    of course … then we have the ultimate oxymorons … Polotical Ethics and Congressional Ethics …

  57. #157
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:20 pm, Kovacs said:

    conservativeRus: I don’t recall anyone in the YouTube debates (either one) having to claim to be anything other than a person with a question they’d like answered–did they? I didn’t assume that would-be questioners would be committed Republicans any more than I assumed the first debate’s questioners would be committed Dems. I didn’t watch all the debate last night, so I don’t know: did anyone actually lie about who they support, or claim to be a die-hard Republican when they actually aren’t? Not divulging that you support a particular candidate, especially if it isn’t germane to the question you’re asking, I don’t have a problem with.

    Now if the questioners were some sort of campaign operatives, acting on behalf of their respective campaigns, and CNN knew and was abetting that, I’d consider that an ethical lapse. But that doesn’t really seem to be the case here.

  58. #158
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:21 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On November 29th, 2007 at 2:37 pm, sierra.caddis said:

    Why are these young woman that support John Edwards so butt ugly???

    They make Pretty Boy look prettier when they stand next to him! LOL!!

  59. #159
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:22 pm, DesertLover said:

    preview not working for me … should have been Political Ethics …

  60. #160
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:22 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    There were many biased questions asked during the Democratic CNN/YouTube debate as well. Here’s a link:

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200711270007?offset=20&show=1

    Ah yes, Media Matters…the organization that Hillary Clinton admitted to helping “start”. Yeah, tell me THAT wasn’t a plant.

    Sorry, but can’t believe anything is legit if Hillary’s been involved in this org. I heard it myself. She admitted to it.

  61. #161
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:24 pm, Salt said:

    I’d like to know, if the Democrats come into office, are my taxes going to rise like usually they do when a Democrat gets into office?

    In fairness, I agree that this question sounds biased.

    That said, though, I don’t believe this really hurts the democratic candidates to ask it. If anything, doesn’t it give them the golden opportunity to show that they’re “not tax-and-spend”?

    In thinking about it, it’s not that loaded. It’s almost rhetorical. Which candidate would be inclined to say “why, yes, taxes will go up”. However, I’d like to see how all of Hillary’s programs would be funded considering even she herself admits that America cannot afford her ideas.

  62. #162
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:27 pm, Salt said:

    Kovacs said:

    Now if the questioners were some sort of campaign operatives, acting on behalf of their respective campaigns, and CNN knew and was abetting that, I’d consider that an ethical lapse. But that doesn’t really seem to be the case here.

    So you are buying CNN’s proclaimed ignorance with regards to General Kerr?

  63. #163
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:29 pm, jungatheart said:

    conservativesRus #152 I don’t think we disagree but I don’t completely understand what you’re saying. I think a person who has empathy and compassion accepts that there is an “other” and if there are to be rules, they must apply to the me and the other. I happen to believe in something bigger than myself but don’t think a person has to believe that in order to understand ethics. I believe there is something in all of us that knows the Truth, with a capital T, and as evidence of this I ask how a lie detector test could work if this weren’t true. In order for it to work there must be an other inside of us that reacts to a lie and values the truth. You might rightfully argue that that which lives in us is externally based and I would have no objection. Again, I don’t think we have a fundamental disagreement.

  64. #164
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:35 pm, Toes said:

    OK people. Use the plants debate to advance the Republican side…but no whining. [I'm assuming most here are Repubs] I watched and aside from a few [really]dopey questions, most were reasonable. The candidates [except for Ronny]acquitted themselves well
    and
    . I’d have liked more on certain subjects but that’s life. Very good to concentrate on dumping on Hillary’s guy. It’s all moot if we don’t defeat her next year so concentrate on that.

    I think this is a good issue to pound the Dems with…do not lose sight of that as the goal.

  65. #165
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:39 pm, conservativesRus said:

    jungatheart #162. You are right, we are not at all on opposite sides here – I think we’re making a minor differentiation when the major one is that indeed there were ethical problems with some of the questioners/host/broadcaster.
    I agree that the recognition of “other” is necessary. My point though is just that even if I recognize “other”, the rules have to be consistent with respect to the “other” and the only place that can happen is for something external to be the definition.

  66. #166
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:42 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    I have to agree with the individual who suggested that both party candidates get asked the same questions. It this way we can all see the differences, and make valid choices unencumbered by the games being played by the news media.

  67. #167
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:45 pm, corona said:

    #156

    Get a clue!

    The plants are often described as “undecided voters”!

  68. #168
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:49 pm, jungatheart said:

    conservativesRus #164 I should have asked this right away; what is this external thing? Are we talking about God?

    As you can tell by my screen name, I’m a big fan of Carl Jung and he and I believe that the place for any change to happen is in the individual. I believe that responsibility for my life lies within me. It’s possible what you consider external, I think is internal and I’m not going to get too worked up if we disagree about the address of our boss.

  69. #169
    On November 29th, 2007 at 3:51 pm, KaosKlerik said:

    Kovacs #126
    The real joke on the Republicans is that the confederate flag guy and the Bible guy weren’t plants.

    In a sense they were becuase CNN selected the questioners they felt would reflect badly on conservatives as a whole.

    Consider this the political spectrum (with _ & * the extremes.):

    …………….Left………..Center………..Right…………….
    __———————+++++++++++##########**

    During a Republican PRIMARY debate the questions are supposed to come some from the +’s, some from the *’s but the vasdt majority should come from the #’s.

    CNN skewed the demographics so that you got questions from (and only of interest to) the left and on issues of substance they selected the loons of the extreme right over ‘average’ members. Not all of them fit in this category, but more than enough to prove it to have been deliberate.

  70. #170
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:01 pm, corkie said:

    This has been going on for YEARS!

    I’m happy that the internet and bloggers have finally busted their game.

    Maybe these slanted news organizations will change their ways before the debates are 1 vs 1.

  71. #171
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:02 pm, Kovacs said:

    So you are buying CNN’s proclaimed ignorance with regards to General Kerr?

    Yeah, I don’t know about that one. Granted. Especially since they gave him so much air time. But I suspect that’s more of a gay thing than a Clinton thing. And that truly does seem like an issue of not particular interest to your average Republican voter.

    My original point, though, is that there’s nothing inherently wrong with Democrats asking questions to the GOP candidates, just as there should be nothing wrong with Republicans asking questions of the Dems. If the candidates last night had to field some interesting questions from some closet liberals!, I just don’t understand the outrage.

    Again, to use the lead toys example, for any takers: what about that woman’s background makes her question any less relevant?

  72. #172
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:11 pm, DesertLover said:

    Kovacs

    Kerr worked in Kerry’s campaign, is working in official capacities in Clinton’s Campaign, and has appeared multiple times on CNN programs … so how can CNN not know anything about him? …

  73. #173
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:21 pm, Marshall Russ said:

    Your right it’s full disclosure D.L.#171 Next time the candidates should answer the questions like this. “This is where everyone plays gotcha” and leave.

  74. #174
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:24 pm, Chief RZ said:

    What, no questions like: “do you like diamonds or pearls”? How about do you like a revolver or automatic?! CNN has lost all credibility as a news organization. The FCC and Election commission should investigate them as being a democratic-socialist organization and prevented from airing any campaign material 45 days before the next election.

  75. #175
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:26 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    This was just reported on CNS news:

    Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign played no part in and had no knowledge of a question asked by one of her advisors in the Nov. 28 Republican presidential debate that has sparked a firestorm of criticism from conservatives, according to the activist group affiliated with the questioner.
    ————————————
    Notice the parsing. It doesn’t say that Hillary Clinton had no part, only her presidential campaign had no part. Based upon past experience with the Clintons this is a very carefully crafted answer that leaves many possibilities open. She “may” have plausible deniability, but what about Bill and the Clinton News Network?

  76. #176
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:28 pm, Django said:

    The GOP candidates continue to dance to the tune that Big Media calls for them. Romney, Giuliani, all of them, are desperate to please the mainstream media and they continue to pretend that it’s 1958 and the media are professionals. Duncan Hunter was the only candidate who refused to accept the phony multi-culti question by Yasmin(?), the Muslim girl from Alabama(?). They need to pull their heads out into the fresh air.

    If they’re going to have Chris Matthews as a moderator, if they’re going to let YouTube and CNN frame their campaigns, they’re going to lose.

  77. #177
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:28 pm, max said:

    I found Journey’s attempted gotcha particularly nauseating….”I know, I’ll make all the big bad men look really really mean by forcing them to admit that they’d put a sweet little girl like me in jail for doing what we all know is my right…”

  78. #178
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:44 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    The best debate recap

    HERE

  79. #179
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:45 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    I love how Dems are out en masse explaining this away as no big deal.

    Typical BS.

  80. #180
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:50 pm, uhangtight said:

    it is the fact they hid who they were, they were cloaked as either ‘undecided’ or ‘republicans’. if you are truly thinking this is above aboard for a dem to interject into a repub debate, then you should understand the need for openness and honesty about who you really are and what happens to be your political view. it isn’t the questions per se, it is the subterfuge!!!

    Subterfuge — deceit..hence, the idea from all repub’s is that dems are deceitful liars. Now we have proof.

  81. #181
    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:56 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    On November 29th, 2007 at 4:44 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
    The best debate recap

    HERE

    That was pretty good

  82. #182
    On November 29th, 2007 at 5:03 pm, conservativesRus said:

    Libs would get really upset if I opened an office proclaiming to be anything I wasn’t – whether it be dentist or veterinarian, both things I could do 80% of the job and nobody would know. But apparently if they do the same thing, it’s ok.

  83. #183
    On November 29th, 2007 at 5:11 pm, Speakup said:

    Geez you just can’t make this stuff up.

    What’s it going to take to get this on the MSM?

    Maybe if a Republican activist masquerades as a liberal and asks a random planted question at a Democrat debate, oh wait, we can’t do that until after the writers strike.

  84. #184
    On November 29th, 2007 at 5:19 pm, dmartin said:

    Hey CNN, once and for all, just come out and admit it… you’re a bunch of liberals. The part that irks me the most about the MSM, and liberals in general, is that they simply will not come out and say who they really are. Its like they’re ashamed of it.

  85. #185
    On November 29th, 2007 at 5:31 pm, BrianNY said:

    180+ entries and counting? A rather large response for Michelle’s site in a little over 12 hours.
    Michelle said:

    The best thing about Republicans agreeing to do the CNN/YouTube debate is that it created yet another invaluable opportunity to expose CNN’s abject incompetence.

    My gut tells me that this horticulture phenomenon will also be a major response to exit-poll questioning in 2008, as to why so many Republican voters turned out.

  86. #186
    On November 29th, 2007 at 5:31 pm, Thomas said:

    WOW! Just look at the number of trackbacks on this.

    Well done.

  87. #187
    On November 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pm, John Ansell said:

    PBBoilermaker #179, Does B.S. stand for Barbara Steisand?

  88. #188
    On November 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pm, LetsGetSerious said:

    It seems to me this early in the game that Hillary’s team, and her media enablers, feel she cannot win without cheating. We should expect much, more more of course.

    Further, this format diminishes the stature of the presidency. IMHO, this also benefits Hillary — as in, “What the heck, ‘I’ll be part of history and vote to elect the first female president’.” — irregardless of what her stance and competence might be on truly serious issues.

    Rush was right today; in part the choice of questions seemed designed to reinforce silly Republican stereotypes (of bigotry, homophobia, etc.).

  89. #189
    On November 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    On November 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pm, John Ansell said:
    PBBoilermaker #179, Does B.S. stand for Barbara Steisand?

    Uh, sure. They both mean the same thing to me.

  90. #190
    On November 29th, 2007 at 6:04 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    John Gibson just gave Michelle much deserved investigative props for this story on his “My Word” segment.

  91. #191
    On November 29th, 2007 at 6:12 pm, jukin said:

    CNN and the DNC made Goebbels smile last night.

  92. #192
    On November 29th, 2007 at 6:23 pm, bossman said:

    CNN responds with this pathetic response:

    “The whole point of these ground-breaking CNN/YouTube debates is to focus on substantive questions of concern to real people and to throw open the process to a wider range of Americans all around the country. CNN cared about what you asked, not who you were. This was the case for both the Democratic and the Republican CNN/YouTube debates,” CNN said in a statement issued late in the day.

    “The issues raised during last night’s debate were legitimate and relevant no matter who was asking the questions. The vested interests who are challenging the credibility of the questioners are trying to distract voters from the substantive issues they care most about. Americans are tired of that discredited low-road approach, and throughout this election campaign CNN will stay focused on what the candidates are saying about the pressing issues facing this country at a critical time in our history.

  93. #193
    On November 29th, 2007 at 6:31 pm, uhangtight said:

    legitmate and relevant.. right, to liberal democrats NOT republicans!!! oh CommieNewsNetwork.. stop the spin..

  94. #194
    On November 29th, 2007 at 6:34 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    Well, CNN has certainly gone out of its way to condescend to those of us who value ethics instead of the fine art of deceit.

  95. #195
    On November 29th, 2007 at 6:37 pm, deepdiver said:

    They use decided democrat operatives in the democrat debate as undecided voters. They use decided democrat operatives in the Republican debate. But it is we, who have a vested interest and want our substantive interests debated among the candidates for OUR party who are taking the discredited low-road approach.

    Ok, gotcha. So the next democrat debate they are going to let a bunch of Republicans demand straight-forward answers from the candidates on illegal immigration, confiscatory taxes, 2nd Amendment rights, failed education because of extreme education union influence, school choice, maintaining our sovereignty, supporting our troops, Islamic influence in the democrat ranks including their pandering to CAIR, failed social programs, privatizing social security, redistribution of wealth, failure of immigrants to assimilate, the sanctity of marriage and family. You know, the substantive issues that we care about most.

  96. #196
    On November 29th, 2007 at 7:03 pm, CommentGuy said:

    Michelle it’s just not fair..last time I had to spend 3 or 4 hours sweating in front of a search engine to figure out who those people were.

    The HillBots jumped so hard and fast it wasn’t even a contest and they drug their personal parts all around the room showing them off like theirs is unique or something.

    I mean last time I had to work at it to put together a list to send around to everyone and let them shout out how the room was packed.

    And this time they made it so durn easy even “major female bloggers” can do this stuff without any help.

    What is gonna be left for us army of davids types to do?

  97. #197
    On November 29th, 2007 at 7:06 pm, Mendol said:

    This Kerr guy may bot even REALLY be a General, could some of you military persons check this article out and respond?

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23698

  98. #198
    On November 29th, 2007 at 7:24 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    “The issues raised during last night’s debate were legitimate and relevant no matter who was asking the questions. The vested interests who are challenging the credibility of the questioners are trying to distract voters from the substantive issues they care most about. Americans are tired of that discredited low-road approach, and throughout this election campaign CNN will stay focused on what the candidates are saying about the pressing issues facing this country at a critical time in our history.

    Well, that’s skirting (ahem, pant-suiting) the whole issue, isn’t it?

  99. #199
    On November 29th, 2007 at 7:24 pm, groundhunter said:

    CNN acts as though they did nothing wrong. Unbelievable! No ethics is exactly right. Next time why not let the Hill and her comrads line up and ask the questions and make sure that they ask when the Republicans stopped beating their wives about a hundred times. That sould be fair. What a farce CNN is.

  100. #200
    On November 29th, 2007 at 7:28 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    And let me reiterate that using someone who actually works for a campaign is unacceptable.

    How about someone who is a regular shill on CNN and has in not “undecided?”

    CNN wants to frame the debate to meet their worldview, and doesn’t mind being deceitful about it.

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