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1. #1
   On November 30th, 2007 at 11:41 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

   NY Times: Committed to Failure. It’s what we do! That should be their new mantra.

2. #2
   On November 30th, 2007 at 11:46 am, swj719AWG said:

   I guess they are just sticking to what they know…

   Failure.

3. #3
   On November 30th, 2007 at 11:46 am, Armigerous said:

   Looks like Pinch’s little ‘newspaper’ is continuing its death spiral…..the NYT..”all the news that’s $h!t.we print”

4. #4
   On November 30th, 2007 at 11:51 am, Blind_Mule said:

   MM said:
   Oh, have I mentioned NYT’s stock lately

   LOL, Glad I don’t own stock in any paper’s.

   When someone get’s an attitude with the Police when their stopped they are more likley to have problem’s with them if you simply do what they ask, (that which is provided under law) you should not have a problem, but on the other hand if you don’t, they will do everything in the world to inconvienience you. Let the Police do their jobs.

5. #5
   On November 30th, 2007 at 11:53 am, ACHefty said:

   Don’t you mean the New York SLIMES?

6. #6
   On November 30th, 2007 at 11:53 am, right_on said:

   The NYT’s planned “surge” has failed…it’s pretty funny, actually. Having failed miserably to report accurately on Iraq, how can they be expected to accurately reflect information from their home city? At least they’re being consistant, right?

7. #7
   On November 30th, 2007 at 11:54 am, meatpieandtatters said:

   New York Slimes did you say?

8. #8
   On November 30th, 2007 at 11:54 am, WarTip said:

   It’s the NYT, what do you really expect?

9. #9
   On November 30th, 2007 at 11:59 am, AlohaGuy said:

   Maybe they can send an Ace reporter over to the NYPD and find out what’s on Columbia’s security video.

10. #10
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:00 pm, daddee02004 said:

    Armigerous #3 OUTSTANDING post…
    ACHefty #5 Honorable Mention.. a levinite ….

11. #11
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:03 pm, Boomer said:

    This could explain why their circulation continues to circle the drain. No surprises here.

12. #12
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:05 pm, EHeavenlyGads said:

    Mr. Maguire’s hillarity is very well placed in this excerpt from the actual correction posted:

    But officers are more likely to frisk, search, arrest black or to use force against them Hispanic people, but more likely to give summomses to whites, according to a study released yesterday.

    Gee thanks for the correction, folks. Do we not have even a wee bit of spelling and grammer under our tawdry belts? Proofreading anyone?

13. #13
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pm, lgm said:

    Have a look at the original article. The corrections make almost no difference to its conclusions.

    Here’s a challenge: try doing this huff & puff over the ridiculous nightly misstatements from Fox News. You can get some hints here and here.
    I stopped watching a few years ago when WMDs were being discovered in Iraq every night (and the false reports forgotten by the following morning).

14. #14
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:17 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    …in other news, the NYPD has been found to give “stinkeye” to non-whites at a rate estimated by the editors and writers at this paper though not given in “old math” numbers, but intuited and displayed by a show of hands at last week’s diversity training seminar. Correction to follow.

15. #15
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:23 pm, right_on said:

    …and displayed by a show of hands…

    Actual hand count assumed, due to past accuracy equivalencies, and projections…

16. #16
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:25 pm, JaHerer22 said:

    It’s telling that you don’t even bother to link to the article in question, just the correction. How is one supposed to make any sort of informed judgement with absolutely no context?

    Yes, some figures were wrong and that’s sloppy reporting and sloppy editing…you would hope you could expect more from the leading newspaper in country. But really, the figures make no difference to either the premise or the conclusion of the article. If anything the corrected figures further support the argument that while whites and blacks are pulled over at equal rates, whites are more likely to get a summons and blacks or more likely to be frisked.

    The Times is a big, ripe target and it’s clear you enjoy shooting at it; that’s wonderful, but it’s just misleading to nitpick minor corrections such as these when every newspaper, blog, and magazine is guilty of the same crime from time to time.

17. #17
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:30 pm, tre said:

    If the New York Slimes told me the sky is blue and grass is green, I’d go out and check it for myself.

    The only newspaper I buy anymore is the Sunday paper so I can check the classified ads and get the TV guide for that week. For actual news and information I check a few of my favorite blogs.

18. #18
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:40 pm, Concerned Citizen said:

    #13

    Read this part…

    The article also misstated the finding of a racial disparity in the handing out of summonses. Whites are more likely — not less — to receive them

    It clearly states that there was evidence of racism against blacks in the original, then corrects it to read that there was no racism. That a pretty big difference, wouldn’t you say? Or do you still think Nifong got a bad rap?

19. #19
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:41 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    I have a question, How many of these people committed previous crimes and how many time’s had they been stopped and frisked?

20. #20
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:44 pm, right_on said:

    Okay, lgm, and JaHerer22 …what would make you happy? Whites getting frisked more, and then sent on their merry way, sans a summons? And then Blacks not getting frisked, but getting summons more?

    You can’t win with these guys! If Blacks got more tickets than Whites, they’d cry “discrimination.” The study shows, at least to me, that police exercised a modicum of caution when contacting blacks on the street. How would YOU approach a group of youths, regardless of race, dressed like gangsters? I would want to ease my apprehension, by ensuring none of them were packing. Common sense, unless you’re anti-law enforcement!

    The NYT article’s only purpose was to fan the fires of racial discrimination, not inform or educate their readers. They’ve reported from the gutters so long, it’s no wonder that now that’s their only viewpoint.

21. #21
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:48 pm, conservativesRus said:

    I think what lgm was saying – the conclusions of the original article were wrong, the conclusions of the corrected article are still wrong.

    /sarc off

22. #22
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pm, pwadams said:

    Is there any reference to the people’s behavior and attitude after they were stopped or any suspicious evidence or signs that prompted being frisked or arrested after being stopped?

23. #23
    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:58 pm, right_on said:

    conservativesRus

    No, I think what he was saying is “conservatives” lie, and “liberal” flame fanners, like the NYT only tell the truth. On so on, and so on, ad infinitum! There is never a worthwhile P.O.V. from the right, because they lie, and that’s all we need to know!

24. #24
    On November 30th, 2007 at 1:05 pm, ArtVandelay said:

    From the article:

    “Certainly, resisting arrest or resisting interaction with an officer is not captured and that would be a factor that would influence whether the person is frisked or not.”

    So no, the person’s behavior is not even considered a factor. Only his/her race.

    Article headline reads:

    City Police Stop Whites Equally but Frisk Them Less, a Study Finds

    Could just have easily been written as:

    City Police Stop Whites Equally but Issue Them More Summonses, a Study Finds

    But that wouldn’t fit the narrative.

25. #25
    On November 30th, 2007 at 1:36 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    conservativesRus said:
    I think what lgm was saying

    LGM said something. I didn’t notice as I was:

    I G N O R I N G

    H I M

26. #26
    On November 30th, 2007 at 1:39 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On November 30th, 2007 at 12:25 pm, JaHerer22 said:
    The Times is a big, ripe target and it’s clear you enjoy shooting at it; that’s wonderful, but it’s just misleading to nitpick minor corrections such as these when every newspaper, blog, and magazine is guilty of the same crime from time to time.

    Yep. Their stock is adjusting to “minor corrections” as well.

    See what you have done Michelle? Thanks!

27. #27
    On November 30th, 2007 at 2:57 pm, bipartisancomplainer said:

    I wonder what would have to be out of whack for lgm to think it was a big deal? Those mistakes are very hefty indeed, and I would say that whites receiving MORE summons rather than the originally stated LESS significantly changes the outcome of the article. If the correct figures were originally used, I doubt this article would have made it to the printer because it wouldn’t be news that the NYPD treats everyone equally as they are supposed to.

28. #28
    On November 30th, 2007 at 3:04 pm, MTNEER said:

    OT lgm, since you didn’t see fit to post about the PLANTS at the Republican debate on that thread maybe you could here. Just asking since we all know you are here now.

29. #29
    On November 30th, 2007 at 4:10 pm, d1carter said:

    It is strange that they never make mistakes the other way…hmmmm.

30. #30
    On November 30th, 2007 at 5:04 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Actual hand count assumed, due to past accuracy equivalencies, and projections…

    That’s correct right_on, and just to be fair they had their eyes closed while counting the show of hands…

31. #31
    On November 30th, 2007 at 6:09 pm, lgm said:

    d1carter said (#29):

    It is strange that they never make mistakes the other way…hmmmm.

    I disagree. Both on the left and on the right, people take more notice of mistakes that go against them.

    In the runup to the Iraq invasion, the NYTimes published front page article after front page article by Judith Miller claiming that inside the government people really were convinced that Iraq had WMDs. This was not true (the intelligence community was very skeptical), but the articles had a major impact in convincing people skeptical about Bush in general that he was telling the truth this time (he wasn’t). What Miller didn’t say, which would have destroyed the articles’ credibility, is that her source was Karl Rove.

    MTNEER: There were several threads and I posted in one of them. I don’t think the plant issue is a big deal. I don’t think candidates should be shielded from answering questions from the other party. It looks like the Democrat questioners got in the same way everyone else did: someone thought their questions were important. Besides, the whole plant issue is a distraction from what actually is important: how badly the candidates performed. I would not mind if the Democratic candidates were asked: “What do you say to people who think global warming is a liberal plot to destroy America?”

32. #32
    On November 30th, 2007 at 8:15 pm, almeehan said:

    NYT=negativism, undermining
    LGM=ditto, ditto

    Invariably the MSM in general cast doubt, disparages, demeans, denigrates, deny, deceives, derides, dis, degrades and much more to US society, Judeo-Christian values, authority and moral absolutes.

33. #33
    On November 30th, 2007 at 8:51 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Ok, summonses = revenue…the cops here in NYC toss the ones they think might shoot & ticket the ones they think might pay. Makes sense to me.

    Does anyone know where the money collected from scoff law fines goes to?

34. #34
    On November 30th, 2007 at 9:44 pm, garyt said:

    Just curious LGM you think the Hillery crowd will ever let a GOP plan in one of her Demo debates?

35. #35
    On November 30th, 2007 at 9:46 pm, garyt said:

    Sorry LGM I should have edited this but do you think Hillery would ever let a GOP plant in on one of her debates?

36. #36
    On November 30th, 2007 at 9:58 pm, zorro said:

    Mullet wrapper is right. The NYT is just a waste paper and ink.