Let’s refresh.

-Ms. Malkin posts an opinion about the Columbia University noose incident. She then posts an Update with links to a racism hoax in Baltimore. In that update, the victim claims racism. The investigation yields that the claim is a hoax.

-Various comments are posted by people who state that they do not like what is going on at Columbia and sense something is wrong because the tapes have not been released (post 4, 5 and 10).

-One commenter in post 15, “boomer” makes comments that could be interpreted as hate crimes only existing in black people’s minds. The exact quotes:

What is up with people of color drawing attention to racism that exists only in their minds?

“Boomer” goes on to say:

The use of these “hate crimes” appear to be used as an attempt to cover up their own short comings, transgressions, and racism.

The way that I interpreted his statement, “Boomer” was saying that racism has now become simply a psychological problem. Did he mean to imply that racism truly does not exist? I don’t know, maybe a clarification is in order?

I really don’t know. But that is the way it came across. If boomer believes that people now “draw attention” to problems that don’t exist, but still recognizes that racism still exists in the world, I appreciate that opinion. If boomer is saying that racism is now something that is manufactured to simply keep purpetuating a “victim” cycle, then I throughly disagree. This is why I posted all of the articles in post #29.

-You go on to post a reply to the part of the story of the NAACP possibly suggesting that in the Baltimore hoax, further racism may be present in the department. You post a comment that says that racial problems persist only because they are being suggested when they aren’t actually there (post #19).

It could be that you were only talking the Baltimore hoax and/or the NAACP. In could be you do believe that racism does exist. But I interpreted your comment to accuse the NAACP of “creating racism” (as some citizens allege). I then felt that a posting of incidents of racial intimidation around the country might aim to prove that the NAACP has a legit reason to look into allegations of racism given the spike in noose cases.

Bossman, to sum it up:

The subject line on this thread is about a Columbia University noose case. A noose case that REALLY HAPPENED. This is no hoax.

Since this blog entry was about hoaxes and the Baltimore case specifically, I figured most people would understand that;

If you look more carefully, you will notice the Baltimore hoax is just an “Update” on the noose story. So when you claim that an organization alleges racism where there is none, you should expect to see a reply with many reasons that would cause them to fully investigate the very HINT of racial intimidation… because it is still happening to this day.

Go back to thinkprogress or dailykos where that sort of thing passes.

And you would know “where this sort of thing passes”, how?

I don’t lose. Good day to you too.

Once again, since it went way over your head the first time I posted it and then again the second time when I clearly explained it: my comment about racial problems persisting was on one particular ongoing case, one here in Maryland, involving the Baltimore Fire Department. Since this blog entry was about hoaxes and the Baltimore case specifically, I figured most people would understand that; obviously I underestimated your lack of intellect, so I explained it in another post, and yet again you didn’t get it. I am sorry.

In addition, your arguments are chock full of logical fallacies, used in some sort of twisted attempt to paint people here as either racists or ignoramouses to make up for your own lack of intelligence.

Once again, since you missed it the first time I called you out on this: commenting that you are tired of manufactured hate crimes in a blog entry specifically about manufactured hate crimes does not in ANY way purport that white on black hate crimes do not happen. That is a logical fallacy.

You lose, good day sir. Go back to thinkprogress or dailykos where that sort of thing passes.

On December 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 am, bossman said:

MAYBE THE RACIAL PROBLEMS PERSIST BECAUSE YOU FORCE THEM TO KEEP PERSISTING WHEN THEY AREN’T ACTUALLY THERE?

Isn’t that quote an example of you saying that racism doesn’t exist? Racial problems “aren’t actually there.”

Then your partner boomer chimes in:

On December 2nd, 2007 at 10:11 am, Boomer said:
I’m really getting tired of these manufactured hate crimes. What is up with people of color drawing attention to racism that exists only in their minds?

This nullifies your statement:

not a single person posted that white on black hate crimes do not occour

Bossman is basically saying racism exists only in black people’s minds. Well the incidents I posted serve as fresh reminders to people that racism doesn’t still exist.

Why can’t you see the connection?

I’m listening to your response.

The list of noose incidents was completely irrelevant, a pure straw-man argument, intended to either
a) directly insinuate that posters here are ignorant to racism
b) insinuate that posters here are racist themselves
c) divert from the subject at hand to distract from your own lack of being able to cope with simple logic.
d) all of the above

You see, given that this news story is about noose hoaxes, and not a single person posted that white on black hate crimes do not occour or that they endorse white on black hate crimes, it was completely irrelevant to post any of that. This isn’t rocket science.

Do you now understand the reason that they were ignored?

You don’t really want me to answer that, do you?

You’ve unwittingly answered a few rhetorical questions in your day, haven’t you?

If you’re feeling froggy, by all means: jump.

Once again, NO ONE HERE SAID THAT RACISM DIDN’T EXIST. That is an illogical conclusion you are reaching through assumption and stereotyping.

hey bossman, try preaching that to this congregation. don’t expect much in the collection plate.

Why doesn’t institutional racism keep down asians the same way it keeps down blacks? Is it because whites aren’t racist against asians?

You don’t really want me to answer that, do you?

I’m still sifting through a heavy volume of incidents regarding false claims of racism against whites.

However, if you remain on the line, I will eventually get to your list of noose incidents in the order in which they were received.

Thank you for your patience, and have a nice day.

white people have created that predicament for themselves.

Typical progressive reasoning about hate-crimes is anchored in a dualistic, two category, this-or-that mode of thought.

When progs wax philosophic about race relations and why its wrong for whites to essentialize minorities, progs essentialize whites (and because this mode of thought is dualistic, by extention they inevitably essentialize non-whites as well. tsk, tsk.)

The “prog” notion that racism is an institutional phenomenon is just a fall-back position that they’ve assumed since the total collapse of the coherence of marxian class analysis and the notion of an economic class of exploiters. They’ve simply transposed class and race and kept the rest of the incoherent analysis intact.

Hey, race pimps: Why doesn’t institutional racism keep down asians the same way it keeps down blacks? Is it because whites aren’t racist against asians?

Maybe its because the soixante huit-ards hijacked the black freedom train onto the socialist revolutionary spar instead of encouraging them to become more invested in pursuing bourgoise success.

Maybe its bacause the progs succeeded in convincing blacks opinion-makers that all existing institutions, including the nuclear family, are relics of a bygone era that just exploits minorities instead of providing a context for the transmission of ideas and values.

Nowhere on the tapes is Constantine with a noose

Lou Costello said:

Who’s on first?

#55 said:

Unfortunately, white people have created that predicament for themselves

Lou Costello said:

What’s on second?

#55 said:

Why would the punishments be equal when the offenses are not?

Lou Costello said:

I don’t know’s on third?

HEYYYYY AAAAAAAABBOTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!

-Someone saying they are tired of manufactured hate crimes is the same thing as saying ALL hate crimes are manufactured?

-Someone pointing out that every time charges of racism get tossed about in one certain case, (the Baltimore Fire Department), it turns out that there was no racism, and in fact, the only reason the issue of race perists is because those liberal leaders who are so quick try to point it out refuse to take responsibility and keep doing it…means that they think ALL racism is dead in America?

-If someone expresses their displeasure on people comitting hoax crimes in order to further their own political or personal agenda, this means that they also think that ALL racism is dead in America?

Clearly you do not understand, or simply choose the ignore, the integral components of racism, and misperceive the cultural and societal complexities inherent within them.

Actually, that’s exactly what you are doing when you refuse to acknowledge the racism involved in attempting to use race in this manner to further ones own political or personal agenda.

Once again, NO ONE HERE SAID THAT RACISM DIDN’T EXIST. That is an illogical conclusion you are reaching through assumption and stereotyping.

Intimidation did not occur. It was a hoax, was it not? By your own admission intimidation had to have occurred. It didn’t.

This is laughable. You seriously don’t see how a “hoax” of a hate crime could cause intimidation? Given that the point of a “hoax” is to manufacture outrage against supposed “oppressors,” is the unwarranted community and leadership outrage directed at BFD leaders and non-black firefighters not a form of intimidation?