Columbia U. noose case update: Two months later, no leads, no suspects, nothing; Update: Baltimore black firefighter confesses noose hoax
Update: A new story in the Batimore Sun this morning reveals that a widely reported noose in Baltimore was a hoax–most likely perpetrated to distract from a cheating scandal…
The man was suspended last week for performance-related issues and will likely face additional punishment, fire officials said. Sterling Clifford, a spokesman for the Police Department and for Mayor Sheila Dixon, said the man admitted to the hoax and will not face criminal charges.
Officials identified the firefighter who they say acknowledged writing the note as Donald Maynard, a firefighter-paramedic apprentice who is black. Maynard could not be reached for comment.
The rope incident sparked outrage two weeks ago and prompted a federal investigation into possible civil rights violations. It was the latest in a series of incidents that have cast the Fire Department in a poor light over the past year, including the death of a recruit in a training exercise and accusations of racism.
The news of the hoax came a day after a report released by the city's inspector general found that the top performers on two recent Fire Department promotions exams likely cheated amid lapses in testing security.
A black firefighters group had called accusations of cheating racially motivated after union officials questioned the test scores. But the investigation found that five African-American firefighters had studied by using a 2001 exam, which is against test protocol.
On Nov. 21, a handwritten note and a rope were discovered about 1:30 a.m. by two Fire Department employees - one black and one white. It read, "We cant [sic] hang the cheaters but we can hang the failures. NO EMT-I, NO JOB." A small stick figure with a noose and the word "Stop" were drawn below the message.
The note appeared to refer to the cheating investigation and a push by top fire officials to compel emergency medical technicians to become certified as paramedics. Maynard was among those whose jobs were at risk.
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I said a few weeks ago that a suspicious odor continued to surround the Columbia University noose case. The smell just got sharper. NYC Police Commissioner Ray Kelly addressed the incident on Friday. After two months, they’ve got…nothing:
Nearly two months after someone hung a noose on the office door of a black Columbia University professor, police say they have no suspects in the apparent hate crime that shook the Ivy League campus.
Police had held out hope that an exhaustive review of tens of hours of images from security cameras would help break the case. But the analysis yielded “no relevant information,” Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly told reporters Friday following a promotion ceremony.
Extensive interviews of faculty members and students since the noose was found at Columbia’s Teachers College also have failed to produce any promising leads, officials said. Nor, they added, has DNA testing on the 4-foot length of rope.
More than a month ago, I suggested that Columbia University officials should release the security videotapes publicly. Maybe the public would see something the school officials and police have missed. Also worth knowing: Were there any gaps in the tapes? Did Columbia turn over everything it had?
Law enforcement encourages and enlists citizens in “crimestoppers” and “crime solvers” campaigns all the time.
Let’s get to the bottom of this together. Free the tapes!
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The noose was on the loose; it didn’t have a job so it hung itself on a knob. End of story.
Move along, nothing to see here.
/sarc
They need to release the tapes to the public, after all if they have no suspects, they have nothing to loose.
Somethings rotten at Columbia, if this incident had any racist value to it at all the Jackson/Sharpton attack force would be there with flashing lights and a donation basket.
This reeks of race baiter’s 1, any attempt to expose race baiter’s to the light of day 0.
Interesting that there’s nothing, yet. I smell rotten Ivy.
2 Boy Scouts were suspended from school because they were discussing knots and the word “noose” was overheard by a black student. Guess we can add a new “n” word to our forbidden word dictionary. The new fad today is finding ways to be offended to be briefly in the spotlight. Well, I’m offended by people controlling my speech. Can I be interviewed too, MSM?
I think graysonret is right, now blacks have sole ownership of oversensitivity rights tot he word “noose”. I thought the word was the legitimate name of a type of knot. Next, there will be complaints of words rhyming with “noose”. So no more loose morals, goose down, deuces in cards, etc.
LOL stonemeister…I was thinking up a Dr Seussish rhyme before I got to comments.
Makes no sense to me, and I made it up. No more insensible than libberish, though-what say you, lgm?
To bad the tapes didnt have Britney, Paris or Lindsey in the footage it would have been released worldwide in a nano second.
Hmmm, could they be protecting someone? Naaaa, they wouldn’t do that, would they?
“Fake, but accurate!” — Dan Rather
Maybe it was just a really really short guy trying to commit suicide and wasn’t tall enough to show up on the video.
I smell a coverup although I do think AJ’s idea #12 deserves furhter inquiry.
How tall is Acccchmadinnerjacket?
It’s to hard to tell the mans stature Tim we dont know how deep the hole is.
I’m really getting tired of these manufactured hate crimes. What is up with people of color drawing attention to racism that exists only in their minds? I grew up in a pretty integrated environment being an Air Force brat and never really believed in judging someone by the skin color just their actions. The use of these “hate crimes” appear to be used as an attempt to cover up their own short comings, transgressions, and racism. I would really like to see the missing video so we can all see who the real hate criminals at CU really are. Wouldn’t that be illuminating?
Concerning the Baltimore Firefighter Cheaters Update..
The Feds step in, spend thousands to set up and investigate as they should. Then a fall guy steps forward to take the hit for the “team” and the voice of Rosanna Rosannadanna is heard saying “never mind“.
That is the real crime the waste of resources to investigate this fraud. Thanks for putting it so well.
I am against the concept of hate crimes (thought crimes) in general. But if we are going to have increased penalties for perpertrating a hate crime we also need to increase the penalties for reporting a false one.
Fair is fair.
MAYBE THE RACIAL PROBLEMS PERSIST BECAUSE YOU FORCE THEM TO KEEP PERSISTING WHEN THEY AREN’T ACTUALLY THERE?
I don’t know, just a thought. I guess it’s too much to ask to look in the mirror, or look at people like Mayor Dixton and Governor O’Malley (former mayor of Baltimore), who have been using race to feed their own power.
I want to know if it is legal for them to sit on the tapes? If this is being reported on as a crime, then the police have some responsiblity, to show the police blotter (to the public) and where they are in the investigation. What is the hold up? Are the police trying to smoke somebody out? Where is the public howl over this? Everybody should be making noise, it doesn’t matter what your ethnicity is, something happened and people have a right to know if this is a hoax or this campus has a real problem. People are paying to go to school on this campus, they should feel as safe as possible.
Laree #20,
Normally tapes such as these are released with an appeal to the public to help the Police by providing information. Offering a reward is also pretty standard, that is of course if you actually want to catch some one.
So lets see the tape. Maybe we can help.
Just another case of black on black faux-crime that gets a pass. Why? Because there really are white men out there who hate blacks, and this guy just wanted to draw attention to the problem?
So, let’s review:
It’s okay to use the word n**g**r, but only if you’re black. And,
Displaying a hangman’s noose it also acceptable, but once again, only if you’re black.
Fabricating stories for profit, or sympathy is just fine…as long as you are black (or a liberal,) and if your intention was virtuous.
A white person who condemns black faux-outrage is racist speech, but a black person who condemns white outrage with race baiting speech is not.
What am I missing here?
I have been continually perplexed by the following NYPD statement made on either 10/11/07 or 10/12/07, just a few days after the initial doorknob incident:
This direct NYPD quote was found in an AP piece by Adam Goldman at a site called NorthJersey.com on 10/12/07. It was brought to my attention by a fellow Malkin reader called Chapoutier:
I always had my doubts as to how NYPD detectives could rule out, within two days, any involvement by the accuser (Ms. Constantine)or any acquaintances that she may have worked through. Now, nearly two months later, the NYPD’s top cop reports that no solid evidence nor solid leads have been found? Then what do they have which excused Ms. Constantine from the investigation as early as day two? Her word?
I invite you to click and read the actual AP story which printed three days after the incident. The more I read it, the more it appears to me that writer Adam Goldman either based his story on a single source, (Ms. Constantine herself) or he is also Ms. Constantine’s publicist.
More importantly, I would like more clarity on who within the NYPD publicly excluded Ms. Constantine from the investigation on day two, and how they did this, based on the little evidence and leads to which they now admit.
I thought that Columbia story was probably bogus from the beginning, and the longer they stonewall it, the more that appears to be the case.
What? So if a white guy hangs a noose on the door, it is a “hate crime” and criminal offense, but if a black guy does the exact same thing, no charges are filed. This is what they do in socialist states–different laws and standards for different classes. No equality.
By the way, whatever happened to the Jewish student at GWU that placed a swastika on her on the door to her room? Was she ever kicked out of GWU?
Welcome to the loony lefty world!
Exactly what I was thinking.
What ever happened to the concept, “Every man is equal under the law”?
Keep thinking that all hate crimes are manufactured!!!
Incident being investigated in ARMY RESERVES…
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/12032491.html
Central Michigan University as well.
http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-39/119643454663140.xml&coll=6
In the land of Dixie.
http://www.wyff4.com/news/14733326/detail.html
The kids are replicating the behavior.
http://www.10news.com/news/14725674/detail.html
And in the Northeast as well.
http://www.nbc30.com/news/14710426/detail.html
No, racial problems don’t exist bossman. Racism is dead in the United States.
(/sarc)
Look, do manufactured hoaxes remind us that each incident needs to be investigated? Yes!!!
But people, there are some serious issues in this country and burying your head in the sand and pretending that this is just a problem in people’s head IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT GO AWAY.
We must work together to end racism, but it is not dead yet.
Police: Jewish GW Student Admits Putting Swastikas On Her Door
Police: Jewish GW Student Admits Putting Swastikas On Her Door
POSTED: 5:08 pm EST November 5, 2007
http://www.nbc4.com/news/14516979/detail.html
Constantine is innocent this is what “our victim is a victim” means, then do her the favor of lifting any suspicion from her by telling everyone who hung the nose. They are not doing anyone favors and this isn’t going to go away. If someone of any ethnicity targeted Constantine, then this person deserves protection. If it is a Hoax do the whole campus a favor and lift the veil so people can relax. This story is more about investigating the investigating, then the crux of the whole issue..if it is real - people need to be on their guard, if it isn’t real, people need to kick whoever did it in the butt.
I meant Constantine deserves protection…not this person deserves protection. I need to do a better job editing.
Same subject different chapter, why did the Baltimore firehouse noose and note sparked outrage two weeks ago and prompted a federal investigation into possible civil rights violations but when the culprit was identified as a black man it then became a hoax. No longer a hate crime or a violation of civil rights but a hoax. The hate crime laws are the hoax created for privileged sub-cultures as extra protection that can be used to unjustly punish as crime such trivial activity as using the Koran/Qur’an for toilet paper. The hate crime manipulation of the law is the real hoax and so is equal protection under the law (the Equal Protection Clause as part of the Fourteenth Amendment).
The public is developing a real disdain for these bogus hate-crime cretins. Why allow these creeps to continue to foist the false notion on the public that racial hatred is thriving in America? It is not, and these hoaxers need to face criminal charges.
Because people like you are foisting the false notion that racism is dead.
Can you commit a hate crime against yourself?
Whereas the criminal justice system is a hoax of blind justice, which IS used to unjustly punish.
Well Matlock, they use something called eyes to view digital pictures, or drawings, which are captured by a camera through a lens. They then use that information to come to decisions.
Its not that complicated. They have no leads on the perpetrator. Does that mean they don’t know Constantine didn’t do it, or does that mean they know Constantine didn’t do it and they also don’t know who did?
More clarity? They came out and said the victim is a victim, and yet you’re here putting her on trial. Sir, the only thing here in need of clarity is your understanding of how your bias has handicapped your comprehension of the English language.
Clearly you do not understand, or simply choose the ignore, the integral components of racism, and misperceive the cultural and societal complexities inherent within them.
I quote the wrong comedienne! Sorry for the confusion but I hope you got the point.
Shouldn’t faking a hate crime be a hate crime?
You must be right Travis, because I also clearly do not understand. I do not comprehend how any law can be constitutional that determines an unlawful act based on the race or skin color of the perpetrator. The noose was hung, therefore intimidation occurred and a hate crime was committed. Now that the race of the hanger is known, all that magically goes away?
Travis#39
Your logic makes as much sense as why some black people think its ok to call each other the “n” word and yet get in a tizzy fit when someone else uses the same term. Yes, there are subtle forms of racism and have noticed that it does come from the black community more often than the non-black community.
Regarding the sublte forms of racism-that can be tricky to catch, but I consider it racism when person changes their action when dealing with people of diffrent ethnic groups. If only one ethnic group is being treated courtesly, and the others are being treated rudely at the sametime-then the possiblity that racism is a factor is a legitimate concern. (I know I see it in Memphis all the time)
No one ethnic group has the market on being either a victim or a perputrator. There are racists in all ethnic groups, and the more blatant ones are called out publically for it. Hense this is the reason why bloggers on MM are quick to call a person for their racist actions and its not always about al, jessie or louis. The bloggers have called Adimihab (president of iran), david duke, Mike Nifong, the “Group of 88″, Don Imus and etc.. for their racist actions. If you spew racist and anti-sematic comments, then they will be posted on MM, and commented on by the bloggers.
Making a false police report is already a crime-just charge him with that and add the same penalty a person committing a hate crime would have received. Firing him doesn’t go far enough to deter the next bigot from their 15 minutes of fame.
Of course; as most bloggers have already pointed out is what would have happened if the perp had been non-black and that the good reverands (jessie and al) would have been protesting in Baltimore demanding a heads on a platter.
GSP
this columbia incident always smelt funny. and for me didn’t pass the smell test.
#38 travis,
I apologize, but your puzzling responses to my questions do not benefit my justified curiosity regarding this case.
You said:
First, Matlock was a white detective and I am not. Secondly, if you are assuming that the NYPD used “digital pictures” or “drawings” to exclude Ms. Constantine within two days of the incident, then who, in those pictures or drawings, put the noose on the doorknob?
You said:
I understand that they have no leads on the perpetrator. That’s why I asked, if there are no leads on any perpetrators, then how and why was the accuser excluded from consideration on day two of the investigation? What was the evidence at hand to make such a swift and absolute statement as “our victim is a victim?”
You said:
Your final response troubles me. Are you saying that I am “biased” because I want more evidencery detail as to how the NYPD made their decision? Do you know the answer to my question? Because you seem to have labeled me as “biased” before you have even provided me an answer to my question. Rather biased on your part, no? Also, how can I be “putting her on trial” when simple questions regarding the investigation haven’t even been answered yet?
It appears you mistakenly logged onto Michelle’s site while looking for the DailyKos. Either that, or you completely misunderstand and responded rather inappropriately to my questions in #24.
Any competent NYPD detective will tell you that, you don’t exclude any party from an investigation within 2 days unless: you have direct evidence that someone else did it, you prove that the party you are excluding had no way of doing it either on their own or through the aid of an accomplice, or unless someone from above tells you to exclude that person.
Um, no. Faking a hate crime should be faking a hate crime.
Intimidation did not occur. It was a hoax, was it not? By your own admission intimidation had to have occurred. It didn’t.
It’s not when “someone else” uses the term. Its when a person who has the historical record of racism and oppression uses the term in an effort to leverage that history.
You seem to be confused. You need to understand that having no leads and being able to exclude people are not mutually exclusive. That answers your “how” and “why”. Does it matter what evidence they have to exclude her? The important fact is they HAVE evidence.
EXACTLY! And they HAVE excluded her, so what does that tell you?!
Travis, how could they 100% exclude her unless they know who did it, or they know for sure she wasn’t in the building? If they have video of someone else doing it, release the video, the public will identify them. I seem to recall she was in her office when it happened. And immediately the name of her hated colleague surfaced, oops it wasn’t the colleague, never mind… I’m not saying she did it, but questioning your logic. Go back to your quote above. If they looked at the video and saw who did it, all they have to do is release the video and someone will ID the perp.
#46 Travis said:
“It’s not when “someone else” uses the term. Its when a person who has the historical record of racism and oppression uses the term in an effort to leverage that history.”
So if I as an individual don’t have a historical record of racism, then when I use the “n” word, it’s not racism? Or is it racism because I am pale skinned, with blonde hair, and in the past, white people (not my ancestors, none of them came over until the early 1900s) had slaves and had a history of being racist?
I personally think what’s good for the goose and all that. Either a word is offensive or not. The source of said word shouldn’t matter. I’m going to be offended not matter who calls me a b****. People who think that it’s only offensive if it comes from some people, be it by the color of their skin or a “history of racism” are hypocrits at best and racist themselves most of the time.
You’re thinking is that this magical video can solve anything. Note, MM says “Maybe the public would see something the school officials and police have missed.” What you’re assuming is that there is a camera fixed on the office door of Constantine, and camera would have captured the person with the noose. From everything that has been said, it is safe to say such a video does not exist, but what does exist is evidence excluding Constantine from any involvement. Now, unless you think the thing that was “missed” in the tape was perpetrator hanging the noose on the door, it is really a waste of time, and quite a distraction.
I said in an effort to leverage the history behind the word.
Travis you said
so saying
is preposterous.
It would be nice if they had a video of her hallway - maybe they do, maybe they don’t - they don’t say. They say they have excluded her but won’t say why. I don’t have any idea who did it, but why won’t they say why they have excluded her? Wasn’t in the building - fine. Video of someone else hanging the noose - fine. They do have videos that reasonable people would assume show who came and went from the building. Normally reasonable people would also assume that means the perpetrator is somewhere on the videos. But they aren’t making the videos public and say they have no leads. Ummm, aren’t the people on the video leads?
Don’t feed the travis (aka the troll!)
GSP
Travis,
Out of affection, I’m here forth calling you Bud Abbott, because your Who’s on First logic makes Hillary Clinton’s positioning on illegal aliens look like the Rock of Gibraltar, amigo.
First your telling me that the NYPD have digital pictures and drawings to prove Ms. Constantine’s innocence in the matter.
Then you’re telling AlohaGuy that it’s safe to say such a video does not exist and that even if it did, he’d be wrong to think that such a magical video could solve anything.
Then you’re telling others that it is a “hate crime” when one individual displays a symbol to injure the esteem of another race…but when it turns out that this “hate crime” was actually perpetrated by someone of the same race trying to injure the esteem of the other race, originally thought to be the culprit, then the term “hate crime” mysteriously disappears like some sort of separate and unequal magic trick.
Define racism anyway you want, bro. But when your definition of justice gives unequal treatment under the law to one race over another in some sort of attempt to “leverage history,” then I can’t take you seriously, homes.
So go check yourself, G. Do you want to be taken seriously, or do you want to be a Bud Abbott? Either way, I’ll be right here for you, cuz.
Again, Brian, you seem confused.
I said, very purposefully, that they had video evidence which they used to come to a conclusion. (ie Nowhere on the tapes is Constantine with a noose).
You, or more aptly MM has you thinking, that the video has anything of relevance on them that would lead to the perpetrator. Such a video does not exist.
Lets recap:
a] Nowhere on the tapes that DO exist does Constantine appear with noose
b] Tapes recording activity outside Constantine’s door do not exist
not complicated.
Unfortunately, white people have created that predicament for themselves. One can draw upon a deep history where “symbols” are the representation of physical violence against a particular race, while the other cannot. The history books can’t rewrite themselves.
Why would the punishments be equal when the offenses are not?
#55:
“Unfortunately, white people have created that predicament for themselves. One can draw upon a deep history where “symbols” are the representation of physical violence against a particular race, while the other cannot. The history books can’t rewrite themselves.”
Wow, and that statement was not at all in any way racist? Just because some white people did doesn’t mean all did. And why should a small group of people’s actions from 150 years ago have anything to do with what’s happening today? If you want to start talking in broad strokes like that, let’s start talking about everything the Black Panthers did.
And, if you pay attention at all to the news, the history books do seem to be changing to fit the proper PC way of thinking, so that rules that out as well.
So the video tape doesn’t show Constantine with a noose in front of her own door. But it doesn’t show anyone else with a noose in front of her front door. Doesn’t seem to exonerate her to me.
Travis, your comments defy all logic…it’s laughable, actually. Let me get this straight:
-Someone saying they are tired of manufactured hate crimes is the same thing as saying ALL hate crimes are manufactured?
-Someone pointing out that every time charges of racism get tossed about in one certain case, (the Baltimore Fire Department), it turns out that there was no racism, and in fact, the only reason the issue of race perists is because those liberal leaders who are so quick try to point it out refuse to take responsibility and keep doing it…means that they think ALL racism is dead in America?
-If someone expresses their displeasure on people comitting hoax crimes in order to further their own political or personal agenda, this means that they also think that ALL racism is dead in America?
Actually, that’s exactly what you are doing when you refuse to acknowledge the racism involved in attempting to use race in this manner to further ones own political or personal agenda.
Once again, NO ONE HERE SAID THAT RACISM DIDN’T EXIST. That is an illogical conclusion you are reaching through assumption and stereotyping.
This is laughable. You seriously don’t see how a “hoax” of a hate crime could cause intimidation? Given that the point of a “hoax” is to manufacture outrage against supposed “oppressors,” is the unwarranted community and leadership outrage directed at BFD leaders and non-black firefighters not a form of intimidation?
#55 said:
Lou Costello said:
#55 said:
Lou Costello said:
#55 said:
Lou Costello said:
HEYYYYY AAAAAAAABBOTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!
Typical progressive reasoning about hate-crimes is anchored in a dualistic, two category, this-or-that mode of thought.
When progs wax philosophic about race relations and why its wrong for whites to essentialize minorities, progs essentialize whites (and because this mode of thought is dualistic, by extention they inevitably essentialize non-whites as well. tsk, tsk.)
The “prog” notion that racism is an institutional phenomenon is just a fall-back position that they’ve assumed since the total collapse of the coherence of marxian class analysis and the notion of an economic class of exploiters. They’ve simply transposed class and race and kept the rest of the incoherent analysis intact.
Hey, race pimps: Why doesn’t institutional racism keep down asians the same way it keeps down blacks? Is it because whites aren’t racist against asians?
Maybe its because the soixante huit-ards hijacked the black freedom train onto the socialist revolutionary spar instead of encouraging them to become more invested in pursuing bourgoise success.
Maybe its bacause the progs succeeded in convincing blacks opinion-makers that all existing institutions, including the nuclear family, are relics of a bygone era that just exploits minorities instead of providing a context for the transmission of ideas and values.
This has been swell. I feel so enlightened, like I have been personally tutored by the Director of Cultural Diversity and Racial Sensitivity at the University of Delaware. How could I not have understood?
Lost during this whole debate, I would like to hear from anyone, particularly “Boomer” and “Bossman” about the list of noose incidents that I posted in #29. Or were they ignored because they are real incidents that demonstrate, at the least, a need to have a better understanding of the message that symbol conveys?
#61 DarkKnight,
I can’t speak for Boomer or Bossman, but your post is very important to me, so please continue to hold on the line.
I’m still sifting through a heavy volume of incidents regarding false claims of racism against whites.
However, if you remain on the line, I will eventually get to your list of noose incidents in the order in which they were received.
Thank you for your patience, and have a nice day.
hey bossman, try preaching that to this congregation. don’t expect much in the collection plate.
You don’t really want me to answer that, do you?
You’ve unwittingly answered a few rhetorical questions in your day, haven’t you?
If you’re feeling froggy, by all means: jump.
DarkKnight, seriously? I’m rather shocked that something this simple has to be explained to you again, but here we go.
The list of noose incidents was completely irrelevant, a pure straw-man argument, intended to either
a) directly insinuate that posters here are ignorant to racism
b) insinuate that posters here are racist themselves
c) divert from the subject at hand to distract from your own lack of being able to cope with simple logic.
d) all of the above
You see, given that this news story is about noose hoaxes, and not a single person posted that white on black hate crimes do not occour or that they endorse white on black hate crimes, it was completely irrelevant to post any of that. This isn’t rocket science.
Do you now understand the reason that they were ignored?
Travis, who on here said racism doesn’t exist? Seriously, I’m waiting for an example. Just one will do. Go!
Isn’t that quote an example of you saying that racism doesn’t exist? Racial problems “aren’t actually there.”
Then your partner boomer chimes in:
This nullifies your statement:
Bossman is basically saying racism exists only in black people’s minds. Well the incidents I posted serve as fresh reminders to people that racism doesn’t still exist.
Why can’t you see the connection?
I’m listening to your response.
I think you have to be the most intellectually dense person with whom I’ve ever argued.
Once again, since it went way over your head the first time I posted it and then again the second time when I clearly explained it: my comment about racial problems persisting was on one particular ongoing case, one here in Maryland, involving the Baltimore Fire Department. Since this blog entry was about hoaxes and the Baltimore case specifically, I figured most people would understand that; obviously I underestimated your lack of intellect, so I explained it in another post, and yet again you didn’t get it. I am sorry.
In addition, your arguments are chock full of logical fallacies, used in some sort of twisted attempt to paint people here as either racists or ignoramouses to make up for your own lack of intelligence.
Once again, since you missed it the first time I called you out on this: commenting that you are tired of manufactured hate crimes in a blog entry specifically about manufactured hate crimes does not in ANY way purport that white on black hate crimes do not happen. That is a logical fallacy.
You lose, good day sir. Go back to thinkprogress or dailykos where that sort of thing passes.
Uh-oh, bossman is getting a little testy.
Let’s refresh.
-Ms. Malkin posts an opinion about the Columbia University noose incident. She then posts an Update with links to a racism hoax in Baltimore. In that update, the victim claims racism. The investigation yields that the claim is a hoax.
-Various comments are posted by people who state that they do not like what is going on at Columbia and sense something is wrong because the tapes have not been released (post 4, 5 and 10).
-One commenter in post 15, “boomer” makes comments that could be interpreted as hate crimes only existing in black people’s minds. The exact quotes:
“Boomer” goes on to say:
The way that I interpreted his statement, “Boomer” was saying that racism has now become simply a psychological problem. Did he mean to imply that racism truly does not exist? I don’t know, maybe a clarification is in order?
I really don’t know. But that is the way it came across. If boomer believes that people now “draw attention” to problems that don’t exist, but still recognizes that racism still exists in the world, I appreciate that opinion. If boomer is saying that racism is now something that is manufactured to simply keep purpetuating a “victim” cycle, then I throughly disagree. This is why I posted all of the articles in post #29.
-You go on to post a reply to the part of the story of the NAACP possibly suggesting that in the Baltimore hoax, further racism may be present in the department. You post a comment that says that racial problems persist only because they are being suggested when they aren’t actually there (post #19).
It could be that you were only talking the Baltimore hoax and/or the NAACP. In could be you do believe that racism does exist. But I interpreted your comment to accuse the NAACP of “creating racism” (as some citizens allege). I then felt that a posting of incidents of racial intimidation around the country might aim to prove that the NAACP has a legit reason to look into allegations of racism given the spike in noose cases.
Bossman, to sum it up:
The subject line on this thread is about a Columbia University noose case. A noose case that REALLY HAPPENED. This is no hoax.
If you look more carefully, you will notice the Baltimore hoax is just an “Update” on the noose story. So when you claim that an organization alleges racism where there is none, you should expect to see a reply with many reasons that would cause them to fully investigate the very HINT of racial intimidation… because it is still happening to this day.
And you would know “where this sort of thing passes”, how?
I don’t lose. Good day to you too.