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1. #186420
   On December 3rd, 2007 at 5:21 pm, fred5676 said:

   Trying to defend Huckabee on illegal immigration is a lost cause. He is toast on this issue alone. Unless his prediction comes true:

   Mr. Huckabee also said that Divine providence was responsible for his recent surge in the polls in Iowa, as he noted that he is the candidate with much less capital firepower than his rivals.

   Duncan Hunter is the only candidate strong against illegal immigration AND talking about the existing absurd and unfair trade agreements that benefit all 100+ VAT countries while America suffers, unfair China trade practices, etc. His son, just back from serving in Afghanistan, is also running for office.

   Too bad he isn’t getting much traction.

2. #186435
   On December 3rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

   Three reasons to respond to this post:

   1. Nelson is entitled to his opinion, but to assume he is 100% right and truthful and accurate and Rudy is 100% wrong and untruthful and inaccurate does nothing to further the cause of well-informed debate.

   2.To compare Giuliani’s political decisions with his constituants being liberal NYC residents and Huckabee’s political decisions considering his constituants were the people of Arkansas ignores a substantial amount of political reality. You have to ask yourself what Giuliani would have done in Arkansas and the extent that Huckabee would have bent to political pressure in NYC, and in that match-up, common sense dictates that all else being equal, Huckabee comes up way short by comparison.

   3. I see our pal Flenser is going on and on and this thread, but continues, after more than three weeks, to not keep his word on this thread about Giuliani:

   http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/08/the-kerik-indictment-giuliani-and-the-gop/

   Flenser, to have credibility, you need to follow through on your word. hy should anyone listen to you otherwise?
   See you at the other thread.

3. #186440
   On December 3rd, 2007 at 6:38 pm, BOB said:

   Huckabee is so wrong on the immigration issue that there is no way I could even remotely consider voting for him.

4. #186485
   On December 3rd, 2007 at 8:25 pm, flenser said:

   The people of New York did not force Giuliani to take the Federal government to court in an effort to protect illegal aliens. He did that all on his own, and it seems to be a reflection of his own often stated beliefs on immigration.

   He is STILL voicing his support for “comprehensive immigration reform” even today, in the GOP primaries.

   That is, he wants amnesty for the current illegals, and to “solve” the immigration problem by simply opening the borders to as many people as want to come here.

5. #186491
   On December 3rd, 2007 at 8:36 pm, flenser said:

   On December 3rd, 2007 at 4:26 pm, Marshall Russ said:

   Teddy never saw a tax hike he didn’t love or vote for. Rudy lowered taxes in NY, not popular with Libs.

   Rudy endorsed Mario Cuomo because he was afriad that Pataki would cut state taxes. He now takes credit for some taxes which Pataki and other people cut. Don’t try to tell me this man is a fiscal conservative.

   He even opposed the line item veto because it threatened pork for NYC.

   Teddy voted for Shamnesty every time in the Senate, Rudy didn’t.

   You cannot be serious. The only reason Rudy did not vote for amnesty in the Senate was that he was not in the Senate. He said he supported CIR, and he still supports shamnesty.

   Crime went down in The City when he was mayor and it was on the rise when he was elected.

   No, you are wrong. Crime had been declining for years before Giulaini was elected. It was down ten percent from its peak in 1990 when he took office. And crime was down in a lot of other cites as well as in New York.

   Rudy will make it a race in the key states,NY,NJ,Ohio,PA

   Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well? He is getting crushed by HRC in his home state and his home town. He does not have a prayer in NJ. And he has less chance in PA and Ohio than Bush did.

6. #186509
   On December 3rd, 2007 at 9:01 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

   Rudy is still way ahead nationally.

   Don’t pay attention to Flenser you guys. He seems to be an obsessive Rudy hater, and an intellectually dishonest one at that. As the following thread toward the bottom shows, his style is that of the true troll and hater: his style is hit and run.

   http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/08/the-kerik-indictment-giuliani-and-the-gop/

   I’m assuming now he’s just a liberal shill, working to divide and conquer by attacking support for the one republican frontrunner most pundits agree is the one person who can beat Hillary.

   Once again, read this thread toward the bottom, and you’ll kow all you need to know about Flenser – and his arguements.

   http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/08/the-kerik-indictment-giuliani-and-the-gop/

7. #186543
   On December 3rd, 2007 at 9:46 pm, Marshall Russ said:

   Flenser: You asked for my opinion.It’s unfair to ask for an opinion and then criticize it. I can produce facts for each one of you’re issues but, I don’t see the point. It seems to me, you see this election as already over. Not me.

8. #186593
   On December 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 pm, puhiawa said:

   Huckabee=Bush Heavy. Tyson foods open borders, universal healthcare for illegals plant. As in chicken processing plant.

9. #186672
   On December 4th, 2007 at 2:49 am, Patrick Britton said:

   Saying that Mike Huckabee has an “open border policy” is completely false an misleading. Huckabee being compassionate towards children on illegal immigrants has nothing to do with “open borders.” You’re talking about children that are already in the schools and are doing well.

   Why not just ship them off in crates? Where’s the humanity?

10. #186703
    On December 4th, 2007 at 6:59 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    Saying that Mike Huckabee has an “open border policy” is completely false an misleading.

    That depends on your definition of open borders.

    You’re talking about children that are already in the schools and are doing well.

    There’ certainly heartbreak involved, but compensating for the wrongs of others can only go so far before you strain and break both the budget and wholesale respect for the rule of law, inviting wholesale societal breakdown (that was actually happening in NYC under Dinkins before Rudy was elected, so it’s more than just theory). We didn’t bring the kids here, their parents did and their parents were irresponsible in doings things that impact negatively on their kids. The kids may be doing well but the sad truth which needs to be dealt with is that they shouldn’t be in school here in the first place, and they and their siblings and parents are straining the system to the breaking point, and if successful, will invite many times more of the same to come, and that’s how these things go by endless example – that eventuality simply isn’t debatable.

    Remember, this isn’t Darfur we’re talking about here, for the most part this is Mexico. Are things tough there? Sure, but actually no worse than some places right here in the US – we do have areas of extreme poverty. Do we ship our criminals to other countries with the explicit understanding that most of them will send money back to the US to bolster our economy? of course not. If you moved to France would you start coalitions to force the government to put everything written in French also to be written in English in the name of fairness and diversity? Not if you don’t want to be laughed out of the country – on a rail. But the illegal hispanic community is being fueled by maniulative “community leaders’ into an insane kind of spoiled, demanding arrogance – one that splinters our country and drains it’s physical and financial resources.

    The compassion is seeing to it that these kids and their families are returned to their home countries with the least amount of emotional anquish as possible. Talking about “humanity” in this context only makes the situation emotionally more difficult for them.

    There’s love, and then there’s tough love. If we’re going to survive as a nation tough love doesn’t seem like too much to insist upon.

    Huckabee, while hugely likeable (and a sure-fire loser against hillary in a national contest where she’ll eat him alive and cackle while doing it) simply had no excuse for his position considering the political dynamics of his constituents in Arkansas. Rudy as Mayor of NYC, for example, had a whole different political equation to deal with, where simply enforcing basic law on the street is considered “cruel” and “fascist” by the majority of citizens as well as virtually the entire media save for the NY Post and WABC radio. Huckabee had no such strangling political restraints. He’s a nice guy, and might make a terrific #2 man on the ticket, but he had no excuse to take the positons that he did on this.

    Why not just ship them off in crates? Where’s the humanity?

    That kind of melodrama doesn’t inform reasonable discourse. We shouldn’t ship them off in crates. We should lovingly arrange for them to return home – where they belong – as quickly and painlessly as possible, and arrange for them to be replaced by people in truly dire straights from other parts of the world – people who waited in line and proved that at least on the issue of immigration that they can respect and obey thews of this nation. And I’m sure their kids will do well in school also – and do it legally.