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Saying that Mike Huckabee has an “open border policy” is completely false an misleading.

That depends on your definition of open borders.

You’re talking about children that are already in the schools and are doing well.

There’ certainly heartbreak involved, but compensating for the wrongs of others can only go so far before you strain and break both the budget and wholesale respect for the rule of law, inviting wholesale societal breakdown (that was actually happening in NYC under Dinkins before Rudy was elected, so it’s more than just theory). We didn’t bring the kids here, their parents did and their parents were irresponsible in doings things that impact negatively on their kids. The kids may be doing well but the sad truth which needs to be dealt with is that they shouldn’t be in school here in the first place, and they and their siblings and parents are straining the system to the breaking point, and if successful, will invite many times more of the same to come, and that’s how these things go by endless example – that eventuality simply isn’t debatable.

Remember, this isn’t Darfur we’re talking about here, for the most part this is Mexico. Are things tough there? Sure, but actually no worse than some places right here in the US – we do have areas of extreme poverty. Do we ship our criminals to other countries with the explicit understanding that most of them will send money back to the US to bolster our economy? of course not. If you moved to France would you start coalitions to force the government to put everything written in French also to be written in English in the name of fairness and diversity? Not if you don’t want to be laughed out of the country – on a rail. But the illegal hispanic community is being fueled by maniulative “community leaders’ into an insane kind of spoiled, demanding arrogance – one that splinters our country and drains it’s physical and financial resources.

The compassion is seeing to it that these kids and their families are returned to their home countries with the least amount of emotional anquish as possible. Talking about “humanity” in this context only makes the situation emotionally more difficult for them.

There’s love, and then there’s tough love. If we’re going to survive as a nation tough love doesn’t seem like too much to insist upon.

Huckabee, while hugely likeable (and a sure-fire loser against hillary in a national contest where she’ll eat him alive and cackle while doing it) simply had no excuse for his position considering the political dynamics of his constituents in Arkansas. Rudy as Mayor of NYC, for example, had a whole different political equation to deal with, where simply enforcing basic law on the street is considered “cruel” and “fascist” by the majority of citizens as well as virtually the entire media save for the NY Post and WABC radio. Huckabee had no such strangling political restraints. He’s a nice guy, and might make a terrific #2 man on the ticket, but he had no excuse to take the positons that he did on this.

Why not just ship them off in crates? Where’s the humanity?

That kind of melodrama doesn’t inform reasonable discourse. We shouldn’t ship them off in crates. We should lovingly arrange for them to return home – where they belong – as quickly and painlessly as possible, and arrange for them to be replaced by people in truly dire straights from other parts of the world – people who waited in line and proved that at least on the issue of immigration that they can respect and obey thews of this nation. And I’m sure their kids will do well in school also – and do it legally.

Why not just ship them off in crates? Where’s the humanity?

Don’t pay attention to Flenser you guys. He seems to be an obsessive Rudy hater, and an intellectually dishonest one at that. As the following thread toward the bottom shows, his style is that of the true troll and hater: his style is hit and run.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/08/the-kerik-indictment-giuliani-and-the-gop/

I’m assuming now he’s just a liberal shill, working to divide and conquer by attacking support for the one republican frontrunner most pundits agree is the one person who can beat Hillary.

Once again, read this thread toward the bottom, and you’ll kow all you need to know about Flenser – and his arguements.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/08/the-kerik-indictment-giuliani-and-the-gop/

On December 3rd, 2007 at 4:26 pm, Marshall Russ said:

Teddy never saw a tax hike he didn’t love or vote for. Rudy lowered taxes in NY, not popular with Libs.

Rudy endorsed Mario Cuomo because he was afriad that Pataki would cut state taxes. He now takes credit for some taxes which Pataki and other people cut. Don’t try to tell me this man is a fiscal conservative.

He even opposed the line item veto because it threatened pork for NYC.

Teddy voted for Shamnesty every time in the Senate, Rudy didn’t.

You cannot be serious. The only reason Rudy did not vote for amnesty in the Senate was that he was not in the Senate. He said he supported CIR, and he still supports shamnesty.

Crime went down in The City when he was mayor and it was on the rise when he was elected.

No, you are wrong. Crime had been declining for years before Giulaini was elected. It was down ten percent from its peak in 1990 when he took office. And crime was down in a lot of other cites as well as in New York.

Rudy will make it a race in the key states,NY,NJ,Ohio,PA

Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well? He is getting crushed by HRC in his home state and his home town. He does not have a prayer in NJ. And he has less chance in PA and Ohio than Bush did.

He is STILL voicing his support for “comprehensive immigration reform” even today, in the GOP primaries.

That is, he wants amnesty for the current illegals, and to “solve” the immigration problem by simply opening the borders to as many people as want to come here.

1. Nelson is entitled to his opinion, but to assume he is 100% right and truthful and accurate and Rudy is 100% wrong and untruthful and inaccurate does nothing to further the cause of well-informed debate.

2.To compare Giuliani’s political decisions with his constituants being liberal NYC residents and Huckabee’s political decisions considering his constituants were the people of Arkansas ignores a substantial amount of political reality. You have to ask yourself what Giuliani would have done in Arkansas and the extent that Huckabee would have bent to political pressure in NYC, and in that match-up, common sense dictates that all else being equal, Huckabee comes up way short by comparison.

3. I see our pal Flenser is going on and on and this thread, but continues, after more than three weeks, to not keep his word on this thread about Giuliani:

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/08/the-kerik-indictment-giuliani-and-the-gop/

Flenser, to have credibility, you need to follow through on your word. hy should anyone listen to you otherwise?
See you at the other thread.

Mr. Huckabee also said that Divine providence was responsible for his recent surge in the polls in Iowa, as he noted that he is the candidate with much less capital firepower than his rivals.

Duncan Hunter is the only candidate strong against illegal immigration AND talking about the existing absurd and unfair trade agreements that benefit all 100+ VAT countries while America suffers, unfair China trade practices, etc. His son, just back from serving in Afghanistan, is also running for office.

Too bad he isn’t getting much traction.

Back when I was an undergrad (pushing 20 years ago), out-of-state was more expensive, yes. Illegal immigration wasn’t the issue it is today – this was only few years after the ’86 Amnesty that was supposed to end the problem. That only made things worse: we got all of the amnesty, none of the enforcement.

As for “the kids who didn’t have a choice”, the way proposed amnesty legislation goes to give these illegal alien children of illegal alien parents works, those kids can apply for citizenship, and then their illegal alien parents become eligible to apply for citizenship down the road. And don’t get me started on the rest of the chain migration. The point about out-of-state US citizen students still stands: states that give illegal immigrants tuition breaks do not give the same treatment to US citizens. I will not bend one iota on any flavor of amnesty until the federal government an PROVE to me that is can control our borders and enforce existing immigration law, over a period of years. A decade would be a good start. After many years of border control and full enforcement, we’ll see who is still here, and maybe then I’d be willing to give these kids a path to citizenship, so long as it applies ONLY TO THEM and not their illegal alien parents. End chain migration. Importing millions of uneducated poor people is not a good idea. Mexico and countries south need to fix their own problems so their citizens don’t feel compelled to break into OUR house. Try being an illegal in Mexico – talk about your double standards…