Challenging the cult of Mumia Abu-Jamal
Over the years, I’ve tracked Mumia Chic–the Left’s deranged worship of convicted Death Row murderer Mumia Abu Jamal that has spread from Philly to St. Denis, France and points in between. This December 9th marks the 25th anniversary of the brutal murder of Abu Jamal’s victim, Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner. His brave widow, Maureen Faulkner, and Philly talk show host/author Michael Smerconish are keeping the slain officer’s memory alive with a new book, “Murdered by Mumia.”
The cult of Mumia is reacting accordingly–by trying to bully and intimidate Mrs. Faulkner. Mumia has received decades of slobbering press coverage worldwide. God forbid his victim’s family and supporters receive a fraction of airtime. The NYPost reports:
Supporters of cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal are threatening to storm the streets of Rockefeller Center Thursday morning to protest the “Today” show. The New York-based “Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition” is infuriated that Maureen Faulker – the widow of Philadelphia police office Daniel Faulker, whom Abu-Jamal was convicted of murdering 25 years ago – is scheduled to appear on the show Thursday to promote her new book, “Murdered by Mumia: A Life Sentence of Pain, Loss and Injustice.” The activists – who claim on their Web site to have demanded “equal time” but “as of yet have gotten no agreement to that” -will protest outside. Faulkner told Page Six via a statement, “After 26 years of this harrowing experience, the purpose of writing this book is to finally find a peaceful closure to my husband’s tragic ending. A jury of 12 convicted Mumia Abu-Jamal of murdering my husband, and for 25 years Abu- Jamal has been on death row acting as if he was a Hollywood superstar or political prisoner . . . He has a voice, and my late husband doesn’t.”
There’s more information on the pro-Mumia bullies’ campaign here. It appears that the Today Show is negotiating with them:
12/2 Update – The Today Show scheduled a telephone conference with Pam Africa (of the ICFFMAJ) for this past Friday. Following this conference, Pam Africa reported that she spoke with the show and provided them with our Press Pack of background information on Mumia’s case. The Today Show did not make an official decision regarding our request, but said they would look at the information and contact Pam Africa this week with their official response to our desire to have equal representation on The Today Show.
The Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition (NYC) calls on everyone who can join us on Thursday December 6th at 7:15 AM to please come to 48th Street and Rockefeller Plaza. We will be picketing the planned hit job on Mumia by Maureen Faulkner and Michael Smerconish in discussing their new book, MURDERED BY MUMIA, on NBC’s TODAY SHOW. We have demanded “equal time” but as yet have gotten no agreement to that by the TODAY SHOW. Stand there with us in solidarity with Mumia!PICKET AT THE TODAY SHOW
DATE: Thursday Dec. 6th
TIME: 7:15 AM
PLACE: 48th Street and Rockefeller Plaza (between 5th and 6th Avenues)
For more info or to leave a message, call (212) 330-8029.ONA MOVE! FREE MUMIA AND ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!
ACTION ALERT: Ensure Fairness For Mumia Abu-Jamal on NBC’s The Today Show!
On Dec. 6, NBC’s The Today Show intends to air a show about Michael Smerconish and Maureen Faulkner’s new book “Murdered By Mumia.” According to the announcement on Michael Smerconish’s website, the show is planning to feature both Smerconish and Faulkner as guests.
The International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal (FreeMumia.com), Journalists for Mumia (Abu-Jamal-News.com), and Educators for Mumia (EmajOnline.com) have initiated a media-activist campaign urging people to write The Today Show at today@msnbc.com asking them to fairly present both sides of the Mumia Abu-Jamal / Daniel Faulkner case, by also featuring as guests, Linn Washington, Jr. (Philadelphia Tribune columnist and Associate Professor of Journalism at Temple University) and Dr. Suzanne Ross (Clinical Psychologist and Co-Chair of the Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition, NYC).
A sample letter (http://www.abu-jamal-news.com/pr/TodayShow.doc), accompanied by an extensive informational press pack (http://www.abu-jamal-news.com/pr/PressPackNov07.pdf) has been created to use for contacting The Today Show. Please take a minute and contact them to ensure fair media coverage of this controversial and important case.
Sincerely,
The International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal (FreeMumia.com)
Journalists for Mumia Abu-Jamal (Abu-Jamal-News.com)
Educators for Mumia Abu-Jamal (EmajOnline.com)
If you’re in the NYC area and can counter-protest, don’t miss the opportunity. The “journalists” and the “educators” and Hollyweirdos and international concern trolls and race hustlers have Mumia’s back. Who has Daniel Faulkner’s?
Here’s our Hot Air report on Daniel Faulkner’s murder last year:
And Michael Smerconish’s report:
And a music video tribute:
More at MASTalk.
Buy the book. Keep Daniel Faulkner’s memory alive:
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Ed Morrissey will be interviewing Smerconish and Faulkner on his Blog Talk Radio show and invites the Mumia Mob to come protest him, too.
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swj,soap, ur scaring me. lmao
huh? what did I do?
Catch up AJ – #96
oh geez. back on topic, fry the guilty scum.
It is just like a club for losers.
BUY HER BOOK
JHSII,
He could shank someone in prison? So you believe in the death penalty partly because you want to protect prisoners from shanking other prisoners?
Listen, you’re stretching. If you want to protect the public at large, keep these guys in prison for the rest of their lives. You’re making a mighty leap to compare Abu-Jamal with Ted Bundy.
Yes, killing people prevents those people from killing again. No, that killing is not a “deterrence” any more than tying someone up in a basement is deters them from committing crimes. It reminds me of something I heard someone say recently: “Persuasion by force”. People take some liberties with the language.
Seriously, how many people are going to buy her book?
And why is she even putting out a book? This phrase is pretty ironic
Does the title of the book fit in with the sentence? It seems like they’re doing more to keep Mumia’s memory alive than Faulkner’s.
I read this thread again and:
is making me more mad by the moment. And a troll (lgMoby) had the nerve to speal up on this matter.
So mad I can’t spell “speak”
You’re talking common sense. Libs don’t believe in common sense, (because they don’t have any, probably.) The more they “protest” the more ticked off they make me and the more I want him dead. So protest away, jerks.
Why should taxpayers have to pay for this?
Get them off of the taxpayers dole…and quick!
Most of the Hollyweirdos that are supporting this guy
are not brain surgeons. Most just barely made it through high school if they finished high school. When
they open their mouths (with a script in front of them)
they cannot put ten words together coherently. This is
what is really causing any or all Global Warming. It’s
all of the hot air these air heads are spewing.
mpchops
I’m sure plenty of people will buy her book. And as for the reason she has written this book, I think the woman has had the patience of Job, to listen for 25 years to the supporters of her husband’s killer. I think it’s way past time to hear her story. There is a law that exists that give victims the right to confront the wrong-doer in a court of law, unfortunately Danny Faulkner couldn’t avail himself of this right, I guess his wife is doing it for him.
Flmom,
Possibly. She definitely has a right to have her story told, and I think it would be relatively interesting to hear how this case and the effects of this case have affected her personally.
I just thought it was weird that it would be phrased as something that is keeping the officer’s name alive when out of the three names on the cover, Daniel Faulkner isn’t one of them.
I am back and I am still laughing over this one. You support the “right to choose” and call PBA “dilation and extraction” which is convienent because you can leave out; the baby’s head is pierced and his/her brains are sucked out. Your “god” is okay with that. What a sick god – you keep him.
Its gonna get heated in here with the trolls I am sure, but there comes a time were saying “THE DEATH PENALTY IS A DETERRENT!!!!!” just does not even matter.
Some crimes are just so beyond horrible, that this issue becomes SO irrelevant to me.
Any murder of an officer of the peace, children, pregnant women…any murder involving kidnapping, torture, cruel or unusual punishment etc….for me warrants the death penalty. Plain and simple. I have no problem sleeping at night saying this.
Sometimes the death penalty as a deterrent is just irrelevant.
When will people just let her tell her story (as she only can) and let her alone? She has sufferd for over 2 decades. Now, she has to be picked on because someone does not like how she titled her book. Is it possible that maybe a study was done (as it is in most cases of titles for movies and books) to see which title had more impact? Possible?
I don’t think ‘Murdered by Mumia’, conjures a positive picture of Mumia. It calls a spade a spade. The title of the book is meant to illustrate that these supporters have hitched their wagon to the wrong horse. Mumia is a murderer not a “cause celebre’ for opponents of the death penalty.
*claps for feebz and bows
Back in my debate days, every one would cite this study showing that the death penalty is actually a tax burden. Those appeals cost money.
And soap, I mean, your point isn’t lost on me (except for calling me sick to use the medical term of the type of abortion in question…I don’t let conservatives decide what a medical procedure should be called). And I regret making that God comment. It was coarse. I apologize.
You’re pro-death penalty and pro-life. I’m anti-death penalty and pro-choice. I mean, we’re both dealing with a disconnect here.
Executing convicted murderers eliminates their carbon footprints, thereby protecting the public. Think of the gas (non-greenhouse, of course) chamber as society’s carbon doormat.
The worst kind of hypocrite: One who wants to keep a killer alive but has no problem with babies being killed.
Let me get this right – if he shanks another prisoner and the other prisoner dies, that’s not a killing?
I’m not the one who is stretching. You say that the death penalty isn’t a deterrent. Fine. If it isn’t a deterrent, then give me the names of the people Bundy has killed since he was executed. If he hasn’t killed anyone then it is a deterrent. If he has killed someone – anyone – then you’re right – it is a deterrent.
Give me a name. Just one.
The only one taking liberties with the languagte here is you. But that’s the only way you can respond because you can’t admit that the execution of a murderer actually deters him from committing another murder.
Do you have that name yet?
I’ll agree that the stances you both take may seemed flawed at first glance, since both take exception for murdering another living being, on either side, and protection of a being on the other…..
The problem is, Rusty, (back to reality here) that you are talking about one being who never had a chance to do anything wrong…an absolute innocent by definition and another that went through life and MADE a conscious decision to deliberately harm someone and ruin peoples lives.
From that aspect, your two comparisons are really incomparable…
From that aspect, your two comparisons are really incomprable.
I agree completely with your post.
Soapbox,
Listen, she can write about whatever she wants. I’m not attacking her at all. I was just calling a spade a spade.
I’m with feebiebabe on this one, I believe in the sanctity of life, but when someone doesn’t share this view, then their right to life is a non-issue. To argue the value of deterrence is to totally ignore what is right and wrong.
Sorry for the “eddie the echo” post above…!
It differs from state-to-state; however, I take your point.
I still think they should be taken off of the taxpayers dole. If they are dead, no more appeals. I don’t care what the cost is for carrying out capital punishment. Get over with already.
Sorry mp, the debate isn’t over.
From this NY Times story (Iknow, I know)
Quoted are Professor Cass Sunstein from the University of Chicago and Adrian Vermeule, a law professor at Harvard. Their Stanford Law Review article (48 pages, pdf format) is here (I’m at work and cannot read it at the moment.) It was this study (37 pages, pdf) that had people talking.
JHSII,
You’re using the word incorrectly. To deter implies that you’re persuading them to choose another course of action.
For example, there is a bridge. On the middle of the bridge, there’s a pot of gold. As you begin to walk toward the pot of gold, a voice from the heavens warns that if you touch the gold, you’ll be struck down by a lightening bolt. If you choose to walk away from the gold, you have been deterred by the voice. If you still go for it, you haven’t.
That’s deterrence.
If there’s a bridge, and there’s a pot of gold on the bridge, and as you walk toward the gold you get hit with a lightening bolt, that’s NOT deterrence. Now your friend BEHIND you might be deterred, but you have not been. You’re been debilitated significantly, but there’s a difference between debilitated and deterred.
On December 4th, 2007 at 1:04 pm, mpChops said: #128
Perfect!!!
Unbelievable. The inmates are running the asylum. I don’t understand why this person has any sympathy. If he didn’t kill a cop, he would not be on death row. He is responsible for his own actions and he has to suffer the consequences.
Just what type of ‘revolution’ is he a champion of? Usually if you are a ‘revolutionary’ you want to change something. What exactly is it that he claims to want to change other than responsibility for his actions?
nice try mp, but the deterrence isn’t for the ones who have committed the crime, but for the ones who might.
AlohaGuy,
The debate is definitely not over. I just don’t think there is more and better evidence that demonstrates it not being a deterrent than that it is a deterrent.
The oncoming traffic would sure be a deterrent going for the pot o gold.
FLmom,
I agree. However others have said otherwise. I just wanted to clear it up.
I’m sorry, but how is this *not* applicable to the death sentence? It’s not as if they didn’t know murder could be punished by death.
The only humane deterrent I can come up with, mp, is to clone Sheriff Joe, and have him run our prison sytems nationwide. That being impossible, I guess we’re left with the death penalty.
If the death penalty is a deterrent to crime, whoopee! It’s the cherry on the sundae. If the death penalty is not a deterrent, at least we have a sundae.
There’s probably a reason the death penalty is called capital punishment and not capital deterrence.
Hero worship of thugs, criminals, and scumbags is a byproduct of the leftist mental disorder. Not only are these pro-Mumia types projecting their hatred for the cops and their belief this country is ruled by racism, they also buy into regarding criminals as rebels against the status quo. They think Mumia is “authentic,” a noble savage of the streets, while Daniel Faulkner represents oppression and the “phoniness” of white, middle class life. That’s why they are out there campaigning for a no-good cop killer.
Dirty Harry comes to mind as well!
Soap
yeah, he’d make my day
This thread is reading like DailyKOS. I think I’m gonna puke.
TexasTiger – exactly. If there is also deterrence, fine, but it’s certainly a secondary objective.
Ed Morrissey of Captain’s Quarters mentioned that he is looking for a link to an ABC 20/20 segment that John Stossel had the definitive take-down of the Free Mumia movement a few years back. If anyone has the link, please post. Thanks.
Mumia nonsense brings the whole Jack and Jill Africa back-to-nature fiasco in Philly quite a few years back. People died and of course the story went on for decades with corruption and PC lunacy. Whatever became of Birdie Africa? I can’t recall the group’s name. The first flair up was under Frank Rizzo and latter one under Wilson Goode. Anyway, an interesting story.
I’m as much an anti-abortionist and anti-death penalty person…perhaps more anti-abortionist as there has been ONE time I wasn’t sad when the death penalty was imposed.
That was for John Evander Couey for the rape and murder of 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford, who was buried alive in trash bags just yards from her home.
He should burn sausage!
gollum
By what measure can you say that it is not a deterrent? I know men personally who did the math on whether to do the deed or not. “I can be out in….”
And on what basis can you say it is not a deterrent to people who DONT murder because they don’t want to roll the dice on whether they will die for it or not.
Also, want to take issue with your aligning the US with other nations that execute people.
What does the US assign the death penalty for? What do other nations assign the penalty for?
And in case this discussion devolves into “all killing is wrong”, let me say that only murder is wrong. The burden of proof is on the state to justify it’s decision to kill in retribution. But there is no burden on the state to prove the morality of using the death penalty to mete justice– especially when it comes to shooting cops.
And still, the National Lawyers Guild and the ACLU have made alot of hay in the area of “police misconduct” that makes it very difficult to convict a shooter convincingly because of standards of reasonable doubt over the shooter’s “intent” when the trigger got pulled (i.e. did the cop deserve it because the shooter feared for its life?)
The tragedy of Leonard Peltier’s case is the inspiration for Mumia’s celebrity status. I know this crowd from my days in the Northeast. Ripped off legacy. Mumia is not innocent.
The widow deserves to be able to tell her story. Mumia’s fans have been telling the story for 25 years. The story the prosecutor and the widow tell is based on their case. If that is a “hit” piece, then the question must be asked….does Mumia’s fan club have a monopoly on the truth.
Bottom line: Mumia took a life and is still alive. Using his fan club’s logic, anything Mumia says about what happened is a hit piece on a dead man who tells no tales.
Mumia has been drinking his own kool-aid for much too long. I don’t care what the state did or did not do. Mumia should dummy up and do his time for what he did– he knows the truth. That’s why his case gets no traction, despite all the legal swiss cheese his defense team is exploiting.
Was it MOVE?
Mumia’s minions are part of the “It’s all connected” crowd that is calling for anarchy and a “free Palestinian state”.
Scratch the surface and you will find kefiyyeh wearing white liberal do-gooders pumping money and resources to a black puppet machine (Pam Africa and her Move cronies) that is trying to build a political powerbase (which ironically turns more to white liberals from New York, New Jersey and Vermont than to empowering poor blacks– who they continue to exploit with the high profile shakedown activities over Mumia the cop killer).
Same old re-heated gravy stirred by radical moon loons and their co-dependent liberal upper Manhattan financiers.
Just another side of the Sharpton-HiJackson shakedown model.
Ona Move over a cliff once the electorate decides to lash back against this 40 years of pro-cop killer mendacity in the courts.
Heather Fong, Chief of Police (although she was never a beat cop ever), here in San Francisco and her putz DA have refused to prosecute cop killings with any aggressivenesss whatsover— nor will they seek the death penalty as they stated before trials even begin.
It is “their” moral call? More of the selective use of their morals substituted for the rule of law.
End all of this.
sausage
You and I agree on something for once. The murder of Jessica Lunsford, is a prime case for the argument for the death penalty. That crime was so heinous, I shudder when I think of that poor girl’s last hours, what she must have gone through. My daughter is the same age as Jessica was, and we live in the same state that the crime occurred. John Cuey is a monster who forfeited his rights the day he kidnapped little Jessica and raped and murdered her.
FR
EEY MUMIAAll fixed. We’re done here.
Screw Mumia. I’ve read enough.
Can someone tell me who did the beautiful rendition of Danny Boy in the music video?
ent,#153.It sounded like Celtic Women.
Political prisoner my butt. Mumia murdered a police officer is cold blood and is unfortunately still breathing 26 years later.
No, mChops, I’m using it exactly correctly. I’m not implying anything. I’m stating it outright.
Why don’t you respond to what I actually said, rather than to what you want implied from what you wanted me to have said?
Again, why don’t you reaspond to what I actually posted rather than what you wanted implied from what I posted?
Oh yes, if I was killed by the lightning bolt, then I have been deterred from getting the gold. Duh.
#147 good take on the cop-killing Mumia’s actions as a founder of a local Black Panther at age 15. Cops probably framed him and planted all that evidence or maybe a Mark Fuhrman type called him the N word??
http://www.fop.net/causes/faulkner/danny.shtml
#148 Yes, it was Move. I thought it might not be because I thought the moveon.org (moron.org) thing was clouding my memory.
Watched The Closer last night. Seemed to be so much heartfelt pity because three mutants met their early demise. Better they be allowed to continue a life of crime, I suppose.
Was watching some old TV detective shows other day. Even back in fifties, the liberals were concerned about the poor criminals. One episode of Public Defender was so happy because a cop killer avoided death penalty because it was all just an accident as killer didn’t mean to pull trigger in his getaway after robbery. Gag me with a spoon.
#156
Wow!!! . Talk about one hell of a metaphor!?!? JHSII , I for one am still waiting for a Leprechaun to appear in his scenario?
JHSII,
In your post, you asked me to name those that were killed by Ted Bundy after he was executed. That is hardly a legitimate question, so I didn’t expect that you wanted it answer. I did respond to this:
This is really going nowhere though. We obviously have different definitions word the word “deter”, and this difference is the foundation for our disagreement.
As the brother of a cop and, of course, as a retired fireman, there are few things in this world that strike at my heart such the way that this case does. The disgust that I feel towards the group of people, lay people and especially the hordes of celebrities, that have come out in support of this cowardly animal who snuffed out the life of this brave policeman in the service of his duties is immeasurable. It speaks to the very cors of the loss of morality that this country has suffered since the start of the Hippie movement in the Sixties.
The fact that this animal killed this officer in cold blood and then has spent the last 25 years lying through his teeth and convincing others, the way all convicts do, of his innocense, using the race card in a way that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton could only dream of using it, makes my stomach turn. then, having a university, an entire university of graduating students…supposedly the best and brightest that this country has to offer…educated…smart people…the future leaders…lawyers..senators…invite this cold blooded cop killer to give their commencement speech and have the invitation be granted and him give it, by sattelite, (no cheap venture) was the limit. Every time they gave a march, every protest rally, every fund raiser, every concert with big named acts like the Beastie Boys and others, was a slap in the face to his surviving family members and another bullet into his corpse. Every time he opens his mouth and insultingly calls himself a “Political Prisoner” and laughingly puts himself into the same class as Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King Jr. is an insult to the lowest inteligence of any person.
Buut now this, this is about the worst of it. To actually come out and attack this cop’s widow in this fashion…just when you think these scum bags could sink absolutly no lower…it is like they purposely went out and asked each other if they could come up with a way to out do themselves in how low they thought they could get in the scum sucking department.
For Liberals, who go on and on about Cindy Sheehan being the Absolute Moral Authority based on her losing her son in the Iraq War and thus no one is allowed to call her Cukoo-For-CoCoa-Puffs and all the other well deserved and earned names she should be called, they are now going on the attack on this poor woman who lost her husband on a cold dark night alone being murdered by a proven felon with an incredibly long criminal record who should have been in prison at the time of the slaying in the first place. He died alone in the street thatnks to this thug, and now they are calling out the shock troops to go and shout her down, protest her and try and do her harm all because she is speaking for her husband…a man who, thanks to this piece of crap who should have been sitting in Hell years ago were it not for Liberals in the courts, can no longer speak for himself, let alone hold his wife in his arms and tell her how much he loves her and misses her and wishes to God none of this had happened.
Let Mumia fry, and fry now and shame on all those scum sucking Liberals who support him. If you do, you are just a horrible, horrible person with not an ouce of conscience or common sense.
Freebiebabe,
“Metaphor”? This is like Black Friday on the English language. Everything must go.
It was an example. At best, a simile. But no, it was never a metaphor.
RetFireman: #160
I said,
On December 4th, 2007 at 11:27 am,
Rusty#70 To follow your logic out to it’s end,Bible quote included, society doesn’t have the right to defend itself? Police and law enforcement should not carry guns or use deadly force to serve and protect?
I feel the same way about ALL Law enforcement and firemen as I do towards our men and women in uniform. Their lives must be protected with ultimate punishment.
My son is in the Fire Cadet program and wants to be a fireman. I couldn’t be prouder.
mpchops…so, I guess that is a No, to us getting the Leprachan to appear in your absurdism, then?
Marshall:
Congrats for your son. It is a grand thing he is doing and far harder than becoming a cop. After all you do know what cops and firemen have in common don’t you? They both want to be firemen. If there is anything I can do to help him through the academy or probation, let me know and we can get together off of here.
Sorry for O/T posting, but felt it was important.
And cops and firemen do require the toughest of penalties for when they are hurt or killed in the line of duty. These are the keepers of the peace and safety of the society. When you harm them, you are removing the very safeguards that protect us all. It takes a very specvial type of evil to remove that very special type of good and all it represents. To not see what type of person it takes to become one of those people, then you are definately someone who has an issue with being unable to empathize with others.
Oh, i see, it is the same Liberal nonsense about “How can you be for the Death Penalty and call yourself a Christian when God said ‘thou Shall Not Kill’”. Well, the day I take theology lessons from a Liberal is the day I become a member of the Taliban. The literal translation of the Ten Commandments is Thou Shalt Not Murder. However, killing is permitted under many circumstances, especially as punishment for murder. I suggest, if you are going to use biblical quotes as referrences to chastise people that you actually read the bible and study it.
Again, twelve years of Cathollic education with 4 of it being Jesuit trained along with many more years of private study amounting to around over 25 years of theology training there Rusty. Care to go at it? Lets go.
As for Jesus talking about “cast the first stone” and “turn the other cheek” I suggest you not use those staqtements in this reference for you are taking them entirely out of context. they hold no bearing under these conditions. What you are doing is what almost every single one of these anti-death penalty hypocrites do. they pick and choose little phrases and stanzas that are over used and over played without knowing what they mean or where they are from simply because they think they suit the moment. Well, you are entirely wrong. The Bible, and yes, God, Himself is VERY PRO death penalty. Why don’t you take a week off and go read the Bible. We would all enjoy the break from you and Lord knows the reading will definately do you some good. If you say you have read it before , then I suggest you read it again. Either you missed a whole bunch or you forgot most of it. Either way, you could do with a good re-read or a first time.
RetFireman: #165
Amen and Amen
Retfireman
You have said it better than anyone. Nothing more needs to be said.
No, it’s a very legitimate question, which is why I wanted and expected an answer. I asked you to name those Bundy killed after his execution because it proves whether the death penalty works as a deterrent.
If Ted Bundy killed someone after his execution, then the death penalty doesn’t work as a deterrent.
If Ted Bundy didn’t kill anyone after his execution, then the death penalty has worked as a deterrent.
Just because you don’t like the question doesn’t mean it isn’t legitimate.
It’s getting us nowhere because you want to play semantics and not answer the question. “It depends on what the meaning of the word is is.”
I understand your dilemma. If I was a troll, and couldn’t answer an honest question with an honest answer, I’d be playing semantics too.
Next…
Correct, one of the 800 documents described as the Dead Sea Scrolls contained the oldest known version of the Ten Commandments.
As for the perp and his cheerleaders, well, the wheels of Justice turn slowly, too slowly in this case. Mr. Mumia Abu-Jamal will know Justice.
Pray for the repose of the Soul of officer Daniel Faulkner and my God the Father Almighty comfort his family.
I wanted to add a thank you, Michelle, for your fidelity to our fallen heroes.
Thanks.
Murderous mumia can play our sick, broken, & very corrupt legal system for the rest of his life. However, he cannot avoid standing before the Judge who is not influenced by PC, liberals, appointments, etc. There will be no equivocating, stalling, or any way possible to beat “the system.” Those who applaud and support mumia’s actions will give an account too. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
JSHII,
Substitute the definition in place of the word.
mChops:
AGAIN: Name ONE person who Ted Bundy has killed since the application of the death penalty.
If he has killed even one person, then the death penalty is not a deterrent.
If he has killed no one, then the death penalty is a deterrent.
Are you a troll, or are you going to answer the question?
OK, let’s put this myth to bed. It is the big myth number two of the anti-death penalty crowd. The death penalty IS NOT a deterrant. IT IS A PENALTY. Why, it is even in the name. Otherwise, it would be called the death deterrent. It is a punishment. Period. It is the ultimate punishment reserved for the worst of the worst ciminals who committed the worst of the worst crimes.
I have actually sat, for four months, as a juror on a double homicide trial. I am fully aware of the emotional strain such a trial and such a decision that having the life of another human being in your hands has on a person. Let me tell you, it is not as easy as people think it is. To be honest, we were given the case on a Thursday…the penalty phase…for deliberation, and had no court Fri-Sun. Did not come back till Mon. All three days I was a wreck. I was in tears for a long time during that period, and could not even discuss it with my soon to be wife at the time. You are very alone with your convictions. I am pro-death penalty and i actually chose life in prison without parole. In this case, the guy took out two drug dealers. Had he gone into the same hotel room and there had been an innocent family instead of a deal gone wrong, it would have been a different story. The thing ended up hung, with 4 for, 4 against, 4 undecided, so he got life by default. I was able to live with myslef, as was everyone else on the jury.
Until you have sat in that box, you honestly do not know what you will say. It is nothing like the shows you see on tv. I have done it twice now, the second one was only attempted. That one I was foreman for. Yay.
Anyway, again, it is a punishment, not a deterent. Stop thinking it is anything else but that. It was never designed to make ayone but the offender stop doing crimes. So far, it is 100% accurate at what it was intended to do.
RetFireman,
You miss my point. A bit unexpected coming from you.
I note that the death penalty can be both a deterrent and a penalty – the two are not mutually exclusive.
Jesus affirmed terrestrial justice when he submitted to the death penalty and died on the cross.
He chased the money changers out of his father’s house, so its not like he just turned the other cheek to every injustice he encountered. No, he clearly affirmed Caesar’s law and rendered unto him what was his.
Jesus said:
Execute the turd and get it over with already.
#175:
Was a general statement buddy…not really directed towards you. Sorry for the misunderstanding. My soapbox got kinda big last night.
Gotta say, I’m a bit confused by the discussion here over the word ‘deter’ as well.
I was always under the impression that deter means to prevent something before it happens. Executing someone for murder may prevent them from murdering again, but it didn’t deter murder from occurring in the first place.
It’s weird, like if someone killed a baby, and then called it an abortion. Time frame seems a bit askew.
It seems to me that arguing the deterrence value of capital punishment based on the idea that it prevents those in on death row from murdering again, then life imprisonment without parole of those same individuals would carry exactly the same deterrence value. Keeping that in mind, it’s nonsensical to use death row inmates as examples of capital punishment’s effectiveness as a deterrent.
Those on Death Row still have the option/opportunity to kill again. In California. they have over 600 opportunities. Some say it would be saving the state money. Who knows.
As a deterance, it may deter someone who is considering murdering someone and thinking about the consequences. They may be thinking. “Is so-and-so’s life really worth me going to the death chamber at San Quentin?” and thinking no, it’s not not only just saved that guys life, also acted as a deterrent. However, if that gu was indeed too far gone and too insane or mad to care, kills Mr. So-And-So, gets caught, tried, convicted and sentanced to deat, then he receives the ultimate punishment. However, maybe his case will serve as a deterrent to someone else.
There is supposedly tests done saying that it is no deterrent. But honestly, how can anyone really know the truth about how many people have been scared away from doingg something really stupid like killing someone because they were afraid they would get the death penalty? just admitting that could put you on a 72 hour hold possibly.
OH, I get it! According to certain liberals, only certain widows can be criticized! How lovely.