Challenging the cult of Mumia Abu-Jamal
Over the years, I’ve tracked Mumia Chic–the Left’s deranged worship of convicted Death Row murderer Mumia Abu Jamal that has spread from Philly to St. Denis, France and points in between. This December 9th marks the 25th anniversary of the brutal murder of Abu Jamal’s victim, Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner. His brave widow, Maureen Faulkner, and Philly talk show host/author Michael Smerconish are keeping the slain officer’s memory alive with a new book, “Murdered by Mumia.”
The cult of Mumia is reacting accordingly–by trying to bully and intimidate Mrs. Faulkner. Mumia has received decades of slobbering press coverage worldwide. God forbid his victim’s family and supporters receive a fraction of airtime. The NYPost reports:
Supporters of cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal are threatening to storm the streets of Rockefeller Center Thursday morning to protest the “Today” show. The New York-based “Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition” is infuriated that Maureen Faulker - the widow of Philadelphia police office Daniel Faulker, whom Abu-Jamal was convicted of murdering 25 years ago - is scheduled to appear on the show Thursday to promote her new book, “Murdered by Mumia: A Life Sentence of Pain, Loss and Injustice.” The activists - who claim on their Web site to have demanded “equal time” but “as of yet have gotten no agreement to that” -will protest outside. Faulkner told Page Six via a statement, “After 26 years of this harrowing experience, the purpose of writing this book is to finally find a peaceful closure to my husband’s tragic ending. A jury of 12 convicted Mumia Abu-Jamal of murdering my husband, and for 25 years Abu- Jamal has been on death row acting as if he was a Hollywood superstar or political prisoner . . . He has a voice, and my late husband doesn’t.”
There’s more information on the pro-Mumia bullies’ campaign here. It appears that the Today Show is negotiating with them:
12/2 Update - The Today Show scheduled a telephone conference with Pam Africa (of the ICFFMAJ) for this past Friday. Following this conference, Pam Africa reported that she spoke with the show and provided them with our Press Pack of background information on Mumia’s case. The Today Show did not make an official decision regarding our request, but said they would look at the information and contact Pam Africa this week with their official response to our desire to have equal representation on The Today Show.
The Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition (NYC) calls on everyone who can join us on Thursday December 6th at 7:15 AM to please come to 48th Street and Rockefeller Plaza. We will be picketing the planned hit job on Mumia by Maureen Faulkner and Michael Smerconish in discussing their new book, MURDERED BY MUMIA, on NBC’s TODAY SHOW. We have demanded “equal time” but as yet have gotten no agreement to that by the TODAY SHOW. Stand there with us in solidarity with Mumia!PICKET AT THE TODAY SHOW
DATE: Thursday Dec. 6th
TIME: 7:15 AM
PLACE: 48th Street and Rockefeller Plaza (between 5th and 6th Avenues)
For more info or to leave a message, call (212) 330-8029.ONA MOVE! FREE MUMIA AND ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!
ACTION ALERT: Ensure Fairness For Mumia Abu-Jamal on NBC’s The Today Show!
On Dec. 6, NBC’s The Today Show intends to air a show about Michael Smerconish and Maureen Faulkner’s new book “Murdered By Mumia.” According to the announcement on Michael Smerconish’s website, the show is planning to feature both Smerconish and Faulkner as guests.
The International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal (FreeMumia.com), Journalists for Mumia (Abu-Jamal-News.com), and Educators for Mumia (EmajOnline.com) have initiated a media-activist campaign urging people to write The Today Show at today@msnbc.com asking them to fairly present both sides of the Mumia Abu-Jamal / Daniel Faulkner case, by also featuring as guests, Linn Washington, Jr. (Philadelphia Tribune columnist and Associate Professor of Journalism at Temple University) and Dr. Suzanne Ross (Clinical Psychologist and Co-Chair of the Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition, NYC).
A sample letter (http://www.abu-jamal-news.com/pr/TodayShow.doc), accompanied by an extensive informational press pack (http://www.abu-jamal-news.com/pr/PressPackNov07.pdf) has been created to use for contacting The Today Show. Please take a minute and contact them to ensure fair media coverage of this controversial and important case.
Sincerely,
The International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal (FreeMumia.com)
Journalists for Mumia Abu-Jamal (Abu-Jamal-News.com)
Educators for Mumia Abu-Jamal (EmajOnline.com)
If you’re in the NYC area and can counter-protest, don’t miss the opportunity. The “journalists” and the “educators” and Hollyweirdos and international concern trolls and race hustlers have Mumia’s back. Who has Daniel Faulkner’s?
Here’s our Hot Air report on Daniel Faulkner’s murder last year:
And Michael Smerconish’s report:
And a music video tribute:
More at MASTalk.
Buy the book. Keep Daniel Faulkner’s memory alive:
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Ed Morrissey will be interviewing Smerconish and Faulkner on his Blog Talk Radio show and invites the Mumia Mob to come protest him, too.
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POLITICAL prisoner? Are people actually believing this garbage?
If these “people” put even 1/100 of the energy they use to support all the thugs and killers of this world into defending what is right, we would not be having a lot of the problems we are having today.
It’s incredible what people believe once they start a jenkem-huffing binge.
Any truth to the rumor that Pam Africa’s middle name is Gobaktu?
What a tactic this is. A murder is now a political prisoner. How lame, but does not surprise me. I have read MM’s articales on this thug and have to laugh every time I read how he was a victem. A victem of the fact he murdered someone and got caught. The only miscarrage of justice is that this dog has not been put down as of yet.
Think I wil purchase several copies of this book as Christmas presents this year.
Sorry Wartip,
Sadly alot of people believe mumia is the victim, just like the late “tookie” wilson who was executed this past year in California.
mmmmm….I think I’ll buy this book after my last final exam on thursday.
GSP
Interesting choice of words. “Hit job”? You have GOT to be kidding me. What does the Today Show and Mrs. Faulkner need to know about hit jobs that Mumia can’t teach them?
Try em and fry em before this kind of bullcrap even has a chance to fester. 25 years on death row is insane.
For the “Free Mumia!” people, it has nothing at all to do with Mumia. If they knew anything at all about him, and what he did that night, they’d be out there protesting, alright: with torches and pitchforks, demanding his head.
No, this display of breast-beating is all about themselves. Always has been. It’s just another way for malignantly narcissistic people to cloak their own self-absorption with a show of, “Message: I Care.”
And what better way to show you care than to pump your fist in the air in “solidarity” with
an unjustly oppressed victim of The Man“person of color”?“Political prisoner.” Yeah, right. You can laugh, or you can spit when you hear them say that. Choose.
Mumia is just a nice, innocent, and ordinary person who got caught murdering a police officer in cold blood. So we shouldn’t condemn pilar this of society to jail or death.
Excuse me while I go throw up now. This is a perfect example of the sickness that is liberalism. Mumia is pure scum of the earth…end of statement!
The ability of this sociopath to continue his existence after being convicted by a jury of his peers and sentenced to the ultimate penalty shows how badly our criminal justice system is broken. The MSM and Hollyweird elites always jump on the side of the individual responsible for a savage murder, but never seem to care about the victim or those that much suffer the lose of their loved one the rest of their life. This man is no political prisoner he is a cold blooded savage murderer and like all mad dogs requires his permanent removal from the planet.
Looks like I have a new item for the wife to pick-up to brighten our Christmas.
Che, Tookie, Mumia.
Why does the left turn these killers into their heroes? Don’t they realize that these killers wouldn’t even blink an eye over murdering them too?
Once on O’Reilly he had on his widow against that idiot from MASH (can’t think of his name right now but grey head who’s married to that woman who was on Coach) and this celeb couldn’t understand for the life of him why this Mumia is so hated.
Cases like these just prove the quote that “there’s a sucker born every minute.”
Suckers will take hearsay and try to build a defense in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
I wish the best of luck to Maureen Faulkner, she is the secondary victim in this crime.
Cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal needs to be given a special kind of party and a reception in the lower depths of hades.
I can see why Mumia has Angela Davis’s support, but I’m bit bewildered by the support of anyone else.
Political prisoner has a nice ring to it. Let’s begin with congress.
I lived in Philly area when that all went down. It was a very big deal then. Mumia stood over wounded cop and shot him dead as he cursed him. WHY in hell is Mumia a hero to the left? The evil
mutant is guilty as sin. But then, I wonder why Che Guevera, a serial killer is an icon also?
I noticed celebrities wear his image on shirts all the time.
Speaking of killers, I am reminded how the French coddled Philly murderer Ira Eichorn for many years. Kind of wonder what happened to him.
Another loathesome killer is that Smith principal in Lower Merion who got off later because of misconduct of an author regarding evidence.
Anyway Mumia should have been executed long ago.
Perhaps this post should be titled - Challenging the cult of the death penalty!
Look, he was found guilty and should spend the rest of his life behind bars… but this obsession with KILLING people who have KILLED just seems so barbaric.
Nice to see the USA has much in common with Islamic countries when it comes to the death penalty….
Most Executions carried out in 2006
1. China
2. Iran
3. Pakistan
4. Iraq
5. Sudan
6. United States
#17 Duh- perhaps because the death penalty acts as a deterrent? How many scumwad killers have been set free to murder again? At least with dead killers there is NO recidivism. It sickens me that many so-called life sentences are relatively short term in actuality. You can off people in Europe and be out in maybe ten years. So why are those on the left bleeding heart apologists for murderers??
This is one case that’s been widely distorted. Its relatively apparent that most posters here don’t necessarily know the details of the case or the effects of the case.
Mumia Abu-Jamal is not some physcotic murderer that needs to be given a “special kind of party” in hell. Personally, I feel that he did indeed kill Faulkner, but it wasn’t a malicious slaughter as some would like to say but an idiotic, knee-jerk reaction. Should he have to pay the price for such an action? Of course. And i’m not talking about a slap on the wrist either. But to talk about Abu-Jamal as some calculating, cop-targeting predator is as ridiculous as calling him a political prisoner and dilutes the discussion.
The reason why the case has gotten so much attention is largely because of a snowball effect, but the cause of that snowball effect was simply bad police work. Lost evidence, witnesses changing their story…etc. The city needed someone to pay for this crime and they were going to do whatever it took to convict Abu-Jamal. If the result of a shady trial with shakey evidence leads to a death sentence, of course people are going to question it. The city played a part in making this guy through the “legend’ he has become. Now, they simply can’t put him to death given all the mistakes in the original trial. He gets appeals all the time because of it.
As he should. If you’re going to put someone to death, you can’t do it on a gut feeling.
As I said earlier, I believe that Abu-Jamal killed Daniel Faulkner. The city had a chance to prove it, but in their zeal to convict, they simply bent too many rules and cut too many corners.
As ridiculous as it is to have a “cult of Mumia” from those that hear snippets and such, we have some calling for blood after hearing a 30sec segment of Fox and Friends.
That is simply untrue. That’s one of those rumors that grow after many years.
And about the Death Penalty, it’s not a deterrent. Period. All the evidence shows that the crime rate doesn’t change. Is it an effective punishment? Sure. Losing your life is the ultimately penalty to some people. But it is NOT a deterrent.
I saw an interview with a former president of the movement on t.v. a few years ago. He left the group after meeting Mumia in person. He said that in a personal meeting with him , Mumia admitted he killed the police officer.
I think a lot of these Mumians use him as a way to protest the death penalty. You can also see a lot of them in the liberal protests covered on Zombie time’s website.
These people make me sick. When I was a member of the GLSU at the Univ. of Louisville, they preached this stuff. “Since you’re gay, you also have to join in the “Free Mumia” movement.
Perhaps the most damning testimony against Mumia is the one never made by his brother, William Cook, who was originally stopped by Officer Faulkner when Mumia shot Faulkner in the back. Cook never said nor testified anything in defense of his cop-killing brother, saying only at the crime scene, “I ain’t got nothing to do with this.”
mpchops said: “But to talk about Abu-Jamal as some calculating, cop-targeting predator”
your words, mp, nobody’s on this post far as i can see…
So, Mumia has on death row for nearly as long as Officer Daniel Faulkner was alive. Something is bad wrong here.
Secondly, the pro-Mumia’s are demanding “equal time”. They’ve had 25 years worth of press coverage. Now Maureen Faulkner wrote a book and they think that’s too much!? Something else is bad wrong here.
We guess won’t have a perfect world until Jesus Christ returns.
Max,
You are correct. I was not directly quoting any one person specifically.
This December 9th marks the 25th anniversary
Um, according to the date on the picture right above this, the officer was slain in 1981, making this the 26th anniversary.
Never do math before having your coffee!!!
sausage,
What a fallacious argument you present to lump the US in with China and the Muslim countries, in rather typical witless liberal fashion. First, China executes 10,000 people every year while the US executes about 100. Lumping them together in the same group of countries executing the most people is intellectually dishonest. China executes people willy nilly for such offenses as making bad refrigerators in the state factory. America does not.
Second, murderers are executed in the US for crimes established by law voted on by our legislatures, are given due process and mandatory appeal, and are indisputably guilty. The other countries you cite, which you falsely claim are equivalent to the US, have none of this. In fact, their executions are often the result of the whimsical decisions of individual judges without reference to any standing law and without any review nor appeal.
There is a vast difference between executing a man in Texas who raped and beat his grandma to death and executing a teenaged girl in Iran for dating, a moral difference you ignore in your zeal to slander America.
Does cold blooded dirt bag cop killer work for ya?
mpChops
Wrong as usual. There was a recent study done by a totally non-partisan group that found there were on average about 70 yes 70 fewer murders in the year following and execution. I don’t remember if it was the same state where the execution was carried out but I think that was the case.
Smerconish had Mike Farrell on his show and naturally he disputed the value of the study but facts are facts for whatever the reason. 70 less murdered people IS a deterrent buster. It amazes me that liberals are so opposed to the death penalty but abortion is a sacrament. That will never make sense but then again liberalism has no basis in logic or common sense.
You know, there are situations where a “person” forfeits there right to breath based on their actions. Murdering a cop is one of them.
THE DEATH PENALTY IS A DETERRENT!!!!!
If my tickets weren’t from Salt Lake City (and then bus to Provo UT), I’d have gotten tickets for NYC.
Speaking of, if you’re in the Provo UT area and wanna hang out, I think I can squeeze you in somewhere (book release party for a local cartoonist, I’m helping with the shipping party).
Also, they appear to be slightly confused…
The “hit” was done by Mumia.
Just an FYI for the lefties out there…
THE DEATH PENALTY IS A DETERRENT!!!!!
Sadly, no it is not. It would be if a murder is found guilty and put to death quickly. The death penalty is just more torture for the victims families. They have to endure going back to court time and time again because the perp has the ability to appeal an endless amount of times.
ROFL. The only reason you Europeans are not speaking German is because we killed a barbarian (and his followers) who was killing civilians. You should be thankful there are people who would see murderers killed.
Sorry, mpChops but Mumia Abu-Jamal is a physcotic murderer that needs to be given a “special kind of party” in hell. It was a malicious slaughter.
Maybe you should look at the facts of the case rather than the revisionist history the left parades as fact.
25 years on death row.If the courts were doing their job,this clown would have been dead,buried and forgotten years ago.The reason people think they can get away with crime is because they do.No wonder our streets aren’t safe to walk.Not only does dirtbag Mumia deserve the death penalty,so does anyone who shows up for the protest.
He shot a cop in the back. Intentionally.
’nuff said.
mpChops, thanks for the great comment. I’m right there with you in thinking that Mumia is guilty of murder. But the prosecution totally mishandled this case. Mumia will never be executed because of this.
And thank God for that. A lot of commenters here are clearly Christian. Have they forgotten “thou shalt not kill”? The death penalty is an embarrassment to this country. Obviously we’re way ahead of how Islamic countries use capital punishment, but it is something we have in common. Most everyone else has moved past this barbaric practice.
There are lots of people convicted of killing policemen. Why do some on the left rally around Mumia? Because there is substantial evidence that he is innocent.
You might discount the evidence, but it is substantial. It would not be the first time police lied to implicate someone.
I don’t know where Mumia is guilty, but I respect those who think he’s not.
Nice. You’re a real classy dude, Blues.
Do you know what the study was called? I’ve never heard of it before. I’ll look it up. I’ll have to say it’s hard to believe, because that would mean that whatever state would have to execute less than one person a year, and have had to have years where they executed no one. But I’ll look at the study and see what they have to say.
Ultimately, the murder rate between states that have capital punishment and states that don’t are largely the same. Furthermore, the amount of murders that are calculated is relatively small. The other murders are crimes of passion. They are called crimes of passion because the murderer isn’t really thinking about what he’s doing. They definitely aren’t thinking about the consequences of their actions.
That’s not true at all. We have plenty of rights after even the most heinous crimes. These rights are guaranteed by the Constitution. Those rights allow for us to put to death someone as a form of punishment rather than just murdering someone in revenge.
lgMobey and his stupid inane ability to “think” outside the box. There was no doubt in my mind this troll would think this sicko is innocent somehow. You want to tell me that because someone “thinks” he is innocent – he might be? You are more stupid than I have ever imagined you could have been.
Cops make mistakes? Holy flying stupid thought of the century. Why would we even need a judicial system? Cops make mistakes so nobody can ever be guilty?
My goodness, you are so far beyond a freak, you should never be allowed around children let alone teach them.
cRusty, why are you still doing the bible thingy? Here is one for you. Evil take scripture and turns it around for the purposes of evil. Read the Bible before you quote it. You will fins lots of killing in it. Even GOD himself killed people.
Back to back trolls speaking stupidity to power – you have to love it.
mpChops,your right,the death penalty is not a deterrent,UNLESS WE USE IT.
This has been a problem ever since we stopped hanging till dead at dawn the day after the trial - maybe we will figure that out before it is too late.
P.S. cRusty.
“thou shalt not kill” refers to murder - not the death penalty. We are also to abide by the laws of the land and the laws says; you kill, you die.
Thanks Rusty,I thought you would appreciate that.
This guy and his supporters wants to have the verdict overturned and be set free! Let’s compromise and overturn the death penalty for life in prison. In the general population, like the arian brotherhood
Don’t give me it isn’t a deterrent!
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/currents/20071111_Head_Strong___But_it_deters_future_killings__study_says.html
Tango Foxtrot, double-tapped.
Could the resident trolls kindly explain why they have no problems with late term abortions where the viable child’s brain is pierced and then sucked out? Not much in way of appeals there, is it? And what about the victims of convicted killers and their survivors? Why is that dirtbag Charlie Manson allowed to profit in prison? Why are prisons breeding grounds for more murders? I really would like to understand the liberal mindset that sympathizes with killers and criminals in general. These same liberals won’t speak up for women’s rights in Muslim countries. Tell me it is a cultural thing for women there to change. And liberals have no problem with islamofascists slaughtering innocent Jews or with hollywood celebs kissing butts of chavez, castro, achminajad, etc.
I shudder to think what kind of supreme court justices we will get under a lib/socialist President. Oh yes, The SC selected Bush in 2000. It was just fine with libs that Fla. SC be allowed to change the election laws ex post facto.
I, like several other posters here, have followed this case for quite a while. Anyone who has lived near Philadelphia can attest to the fact that the police department there has a history of being heavy-handed. But that does not erase the facts of the case.
Officer Faulkner was mortally wounded and lying in the street. Mumia was apprehended, sitting next to the body on the curb, his personally owned and registered handgun(the murder weapon) sitting near him. His entire story since then has not been that he didn’t do it. He has never said. He didn’t take the stand in his own defense. His reason being that he was so hosed by the police that whatever he said would make no difference.
The libs out there that have taken up his case are against people being railroaded by the police, against witness tampering, against minorities being unfairly targeted in capital crimes, against the death penalty in general. Those are all good causes, but in this case, not applicable. The libs have not let the facts interfere with a great frothy rage over injustice.
This guy was convicted by a jury of his peers, had his death warrant signed a couple of times, and has exhausted his appeals as far as the SCOTUS. Let’s get on with it.
#48
Nice comments and…OUCH to the left. But remember, you can’t argue logic with a liberal. It doesn’t exist in their DNA.
Rusty, can’t you guys stop repeating the same mis-quoted, mis-interpreted, mis- applied bullcrap? Don’t you ever have an original thought?
1) The real Commandment says that you shall not murder.
2) The death penalty embarasses only you lot who oppose it.
3) There’s a HUGE difference between applying the death penalty for murder and applying it for boinking out of wedlock.
4) You say, “moved beyond” assuming that it’s a thing everybody should do, thus exposing your un-hinged inner Ferrel.
Don’t worry, there is a cure for your illness.
Equal amount of time.
When was the “fairness doctrine” signed into law?
According to lgMoby, cops lied babies died.
Like OJ, perhaps?
BTW…Notice how all the trolls have come out? Kind of like flies to s**t.
Hatelib,
That study is flawed for a few reasons. It ’s looking at the death penalty on a national level rather than state by state. So, for example, while the murder rate in a capital punishment rate in Texas may have increased by 10 in one year, the murder rate in non-capital punishment state NH decreased by 15. Therefore, there was a net decrease of 5 despite the fact that there was an increase in a death penalty state and a decrease in a non death penalty state.
Basically, they’re comparing apples to oranges and calling them apples.
In addition, the fact that death penalty states have a higher murder rate than non death penalty states kill the argument. It’s simple: If the death penalty was a deterrent, the opposite would be true.
The death penalty may be a viable method of punishment, but to call it a deterrent isn’t supported by facts.
You folks on your high horse defending this POS are disgusting. get a life.
It is a deterrent to the killer that’s executed. It deters them from killing again.
Unless you can read minds, there is no way to tell about the deterrent factor on the general populace.
I have to disagree with that statement.
The USA doesn’t give out the death penalty to a rape vicim.
The USA doesn’t ask for the death penalty for a cartoonist or school teacher just because it’s populace is “insulted” by some incredulous action that wasn’t intended to insult or just tells the truth.
There is no comparison between the USA and the countries that practice the state sponsered religion of perpetual outrage.
Here’s a link from pastor Bob Enyart regarding a Christian perspective on the death penalty.
#56
Don’t sugar coat it AJ. Tell us what you really think.
mpChops #55
Agreed. Let’s not forget the full moon and its effects! Was that taken into account? Too many factors is all I am saying.
It’s the old gun law argument. Take away the guns and there will be less violent crime. Then, after dum-dums try it, we come to find out the opposite is true.
Victims are punished by the death penalty as it stands now.
On-my-soap-box,
Victims are very much punished by the death penalty. I agree. I think that punishment alone is a worthy defense of it(although I still don’t necessarily agree with the death penalty). Punishment alone is at least dependable. I think the “deterrence” argument takes away from the defense of the death penalty. Call it what it is.
On-my-soap-box,
Victims are very much punished by the death penalty. I agree. I think that punishment alone is a worthy defense of it(although I still don’t necessarily agree with the death penalty). Punishment alone is at least dependable. I think the “deterrence” argument takes away from the defense of the death penalty. Call it what it is.
This story will be played over and over if a Democrat wins the W.H. The anti-death penalty libs will run to the new SCOTUS after Hillary or Obama appoints 2 to 4 liberal judges approved by a liberal majority in the Senate. They will also be able appoint 200 or so liberal Federal District judges. If this scum bag can hold on until Nov. 08 he may never pay the ultimate price for the ultimate crime.
Ha. I think you’re using taking some liberties with the term “deter”, but you have a point. The guy will never kill again.
Ha. I think you’re using taking some liberties with the term “deter”, but you have a point. The guy will never kill again.
If the death penalty isn’t a deterrent to murderers, then would those opposed to the death penalty please give me a list of people Teddy Bundy has killed since his execution?
I await the list, but I’m not going to hold my breath.
JHSII,
I don’t know the names offhand, but i think its the same amount that Abu-Jamal has killed since being imprisoned.
So much stuff here. I don’t think anyone is defending Mumia. I would be perfectly happy if he spent the rest of his life behind bars. Execution, however, is a moral evil that I will never support in any situation. My stance is a little too absolute to be pragmatic, but executing someone whose prosecution had so many holes is considerably more problematic.
And the people who are saying ridiculous things like “dead by dawn” and all of that, wow. Over 120 Americans sentenced to Death Row have been exonerated. That’s a problem. Advocating the murder (and the death penalty is the murder of a human being; no way around that) of 120 people is especially sickening.
Could the resident trolls kindly explain why they have no problems with late term abortions where the viable child’s brain is pierced and then sucked out?
Anyone here defending this murderer by bringing up the ‘death penalty’ argument or a faulty system is flailing their arms in the wind.
Tried - judged - convicted - sentenced.
Period.
I-g-n-o-r-e the trolls. Do not feed.
Tango Foxtrot
Yeah, so did Allah. It’s not an excuse for them so it’s not an excuse for us. And last I checked, Jesus didn’t kill anyone. He preached forgiveness and talked about “ye without sin.”
Deterrent or not, I think there should be a Death Penalty in tact for those heinous crimes that are too brutal for words. The individuals that commit these acts cannot be apart of human society, even if the society is prison. These ppl are beyond repair and death is the only suitable punishment. Now, I have never followed this particular case, however if this man murdered an officer of the law in cold blood then I would have to consider the death penalty. The fact (even though libs refuse to understand) is that some crimes are so atrocious and shocking that a life prison term is a reward for that individual who committed said crime.
On December 4th, 2007 at 11:10 am,
It is the same number I have killed. What is your point? That is a dumb argument. He also killed the same number while in prison - zero. The question is how many murders were deterred by killing Bundy?
Give me the names on that list.
I oppose the death penalty as it is now. The ONLY victims are the families of the loved ones who are murdered. These killers do not care about dragging them through hell over and over. Read what the family of this officer is going through and ask yourself – would you like to go through it?
Now, if a murder was given the death penalty and taken out back and had a bullet put through his/her head, you would see the murder rate come down AND the victims would see justice. That is the death penalty I support.
I’d love to see our new best friend, Nicolas Sarkozy, repudiate the support for Mumia that has spewed forth for years from France. Mumia was made an honorary citizen of Paris several years ago. More recently the Paris suburb of Saint-Denis has joined in the Mumia chic. I have read that a “unit” on this matter of “American racist oppression” has been inserted in the French school curriculum. (All French public schools are tightly controlled by Paris, including close control of the curriculum.)
I am not trying to challenge that good man, Sarkozy, in a provocative way. But this seriously remains, for me, an impediment in the blossoming, French-American friendship. It is time for France to apologize for taking the side of a murderer merely for the joy of bashing America. No doubt, there is a plaque somewhere in Paris honoring this “victim of American oppression” (since they named him an honorary citizen). It needs to be removed.
This ought to be raised at a level to get Sarkozy’s attention: Please, Monsieur le Président, repudiate all of this.
On-my-soap-box - I agree that the Death Penalty should be as you described, more or less. The process should be much quicker (I dont know about the day of the trial). I cant understand why somebody sits on Death Row for 20 or 30 years. Its sick and that doesnt deter anything because ppl forget who is sitting on death row and who isnt!!!
So you support killing the 120+ Americans who have been exonerated from Death Row?
You know, you said I use Scripture for the purposes of evil.
Right. Well, I must say, I like my God a lot more than your God. My God is against the murder of the innocent. I think that’s in Scripture somewhere.
Rusty#70 To follow your logic out to it’s end,Bible quote included, society doesn’t have the right to defend itself? Police and law enforcement should not carry guns or use deadly force to serve and protect?
Rusty, you really nail it perfectly.
Time has shown again and again that innocent people are sentenced for crimes they didn’t commit… there is no appeal possible from the grave.
As I’ve said - I am all for long term jail time… hard labor is good also… but KILLING people as a punishment for KILLING people? Pure un-Christ like Barbarism!
cRusty you sicko. Only a sick person would call PBA that. This procedure never had anything to do with the health and life of the mother. That was the guise planted in a gullible public who cares more about “Dancing with the Stars” than they do precious life.
TF - I know. I am just in the mood to bash some heads!!! GRRR
Then he said in same paragraph,
Geez, what do you call that?
Have you even the slightest clue about this case or just sling BS for the sake of stirring up trouble?
For or against the death penalty, that is the question that is being focused by our resident trolls, but I hear no mention of how obscene it is that the Mumia supporters are trying to silence and protest the wife of the murdered police officer. She has a right to be heard, without being shouted down. They’ve had their 25 years of protest. Let the woman speak her side of the story, or are they afraid that she too will garner some sympathy for her and her family’s ordeal?
ROFL – trolls telling us what it is to be “Christ-like”. GOD is a barbarian. Do not believe me, as a Sodomite. Oh, wait, you can’t.
Read your Bible and come back and tell me what it really says (in context).
ask a Sodomite…
I don’t think anyone here has said that our justice system is perfect.
For example, could any of you death penalty opponents tell me the number of guilty bastards who have gotten off, based on legal gymnastics? No, I don’t suppose there’s any way to keep those statistics.
FLmom, that’s a great point. That woman has every right to be heard.
Lost in all this is that the Free Mumia crowd really is unsettling. I don’t want the man executed, but I certainly don’t want a convicted cop killer on the streets.
And soap-box, surely you’ll admit that was a hilarious typo.
I see you still don’t want to get it. Mumia can be let out again - to kill again. Bundy can’t. Bundy is forever deterred from committing murder. Mumia could shank someone in the prison yard. I note that between his first murder and the time he was executed, Bundy was imprisoned, only to escape and commit more murders. Mumia could get paroled, or be given a pardon, or escape as a liberal hero.
Now, are you going to give me the list of people Bundy has killed since you say there is a list but you don’t know the names offhand? I’ll give you time to look them up.
AJ
TANGO FOXTROT!!!
Rusty - common ground we can agree on. That was pretty funny!
Let it be know to all - Soap is not perfect (thank GOD).
We have over-zealous prosecutors, less than qualified attornies and sometimes poor police work so, yeah, there are mistakes made and that’s why I’ve changed my mind on the death penalty.
I believe that we should have it but only use it with DNA proof or something that science will come up with in the future. However…….
This case is more about race than anything. He’s a “political prisoner” because the cop was white and he is black. OJ is innocent, because he is black and the prosecutors and the cops are white. There are a lot of people that make a good living making victims out of criminals and that’s what I believe this is all about.
Nice summation Vince!
Here in South Florida we have had a rash of murders of police officers. I’m all for the death penalty for these perps that have no respect for the authority of the law, after all, if they have compunction in killing a police officer they certainly will have no compunction in killing me. I think that the penalty for killing a police officer has to be severe, otherwise anarchy will reign.
I’ll be skipping those dinner plans with Soap now…
How about if the guy is sitting next to the body, his liscenced firearm being the murder weapon, and said weapon being right there with him?
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say it wasn’t the gun on the Grassy Knoll that did it.
swj,
Don’t like beefsteak hummm cupcake?
Danny Faulkner received a death sentence by the hand of Abu Jamal. Abu Jamal executed his own type of death penalty. It is now Abu’s turn to receive his death penalty. Period. These individuals that scream about the death penalty, but cry out for the death penalty(abortion) for innocent life have their thought processes a$$backwards. This criminal and evil monster is their poster child for choosing ‘life’. How perverted are their minds?
I am sorry for Maureen Faulkner’s loss, the loss to Danny’s family and the loss to the city of Philadelphia. Those on death row, should not be granted privileges beyond rotting in the cell until their punishment is enacted. What kind of justice is there for the victims, today? NONE. Anarchy reigns within this country; and if we don’t stop it we will suffer the consequences. Unlike Abu Jamal who has not been forced to suffer the consequences of his actions.
Yer dead to me, AJ. Dead.
Soap. Yer dead to me SOAP.
Bah.
LOL - we are ofter confused. I am the better looking one!
swj,soap, ur scaring me. lmao
huh? what did I do?
Catch up AJ - #96
oh geez. back on topic, fry the guilty scum.
It is just like a club for losers.
BUY HER BOOK
JHSII,
He could shank someone in prison? So you believe in the death penalty partly because you want to protect prisoners from shanking other prisoners?
Listen, you’re stretching. If you want to protect the public at large, keep these guys in prison for the rest of their lives. You’re making a mighty leap to compare Abu-Jamal with Ted Bundy.
Yes, killing people prevents those people from killing again. No, that killing is not a “deterrence” any more than tying someone up in a basement is deters them from committing crimes. It reminds me of something I heard someone say recently: “Persuasion by force”. People take some liberties with the language.
Seriously, how many people are going to buy her book?
And why is she even putting out a book? This phrase is pretty ironic
Does the title of the book fit in with the sentence? It seems like they’re doing more to keep Mumia’s memory alive than Faulkner’s.
I read this thread again and:
is making me more mad by the moment. And a troll (lgMoby) had the nerve to speal up on this matter.
So mad I can’t spell “speak”
You’re talking common sense. Libs don’t believe in common sense, (because they don’t have any, probably.) The more they “protest” the more ticked off they make me and the more I want him dead. So protest away, jerks.
Why should taxpayers have to pay for this?
Get them off of the taxpayers dole…and quick!
Most of the Hollyweirdos that are supporting this guy
are not brain surgeons. Most just barely made it through high school if they finished high school. When
they open their mouths (with a script in front of them)
they cannot put ten words together coherently. This is
what is really causing any or all Global Warming. It’s
all of the hot air these air heads are spewing.
mpchops
I’m sure plenty of people will buy her book. And as for the reason she has written this book, I think the woman has had the patience of Job, to listen for 25 years to the supporters of her husband’s killer. I think it’s way past time to hear her story. There is a law that exists that give victims the right to confront the wrong-doer in a court of law, unfortunately Danny Faulkner couldn’t avail himself of this right, I guess his wife is doing it for him.
Flmom,
Possibly. She definitely has a right to have her story told, and I think it would be relatively interesting to hear how this case and the effects of this case have affected her personally.
I just thought it was weird that it would be phrased as something that is keeping the officer’s name alive when out of the three names on the cover, Daniel Faulkner isn’t one of them.
I am back and I am still laughing over this one. You support the “right to choose” and call PBA “dilation and extraction” which is convienent because you can leave out; the baby’s head is pierced and his/her brains are sucked out. Your “god” is okay with that. What a sick god – you keep him.
Its gonna get heated in here with the trolls I am sure, but there comes a time were saying “THE DEATH PENALTY IS A DETERRENT!!!!!” just does not even matter.
Some crimes are just so beyond horrible, that this issue becomes SO irrelevant to me.
Any murder of an officer of the peace, children, pregnant women…any murder involving kidnapping, torture, cruel or unusual punishment etc….for me warrants the death penalty. Plain and simple. I have no problem sleeping at night saying this.
Sometimes the death penalty as a deterrent is just irrelevant.
When will people just let her tell her story (as she only can) and let her alone? She has sufferd for over 2 decades. Now, she has to be picked on because someone does not like how she titled her book. Is it possible that maybe a study was done (as it is in most cases of titles for movies and books) to see which title had more impact? Possible?
I don’t think ‘Murdered by Mumia’, conjures a positive picture of Mumia. It calls a spade a spade. The title of the book is meant to illustrate that these supporters have hitched their wagon to the wrong horse. Mumia is a murderer not a “cause celebre’ for opponents of the death penalty.
*claps for feebz and bows
Back in my debate days, every one would cite this study showing that the death penalty is actually a tax burden. Those appeals cost money.
And soap, I mean, your point isn’t lost on me (except for calling me sick to use the medical term of the type of abortion in question…I don’t let conservatives decide what a medical procedure should be called). And I regret making that God comment. It was coarse. I apologize.
You’re pro-death penalty and pro-life. I’m anti-death penalty and pro-choice. I mean, we’re both dealing with a disconnect here.
Executing convicted murderers eliminates their carbon footprints, thereby protecting the public. Think of the gas (non-greenhouse, of course) chamber as society’s carbon doormat.
The worst kind of hypocrite: One who wants to keep a killer alive but has no problem with babies being killed.
Let me get this right - if he shanks another prisoner and the other prisoner dies, that’s not a killing?
I’m not the one who is stretching. You say that the death penalty isn’t a deterrent. Fine. If it isn’t a deterrent, then give me the names of the people Bundy has killed since he was executed. If he hasn’t killed anyone then it is a deterrent. If he has killed someone - anyone - then you’re right - it is a deterrent.
Give me a name. Just one.
The only one taking liberties with the languagte here is you. But that’s the only way you can respond because you can’t admit that the execution of a murderer actually deters him from committing another murder.
Do you have that name yet?
I’ll agree that the stances you both take may seemed flawed at first glance, since both take exception for murdering another living being, on either side, and protection of a being on the other…..
The problem is, Rusty, (back to reality here) that you are talking about one being who never had a chance to do anything wrong…an absolute innocent by definition and another that went through life and MADE a conscious decision to deliberately harm someone and ruin peoples lives.
From that aspect, your two comparisons are really incomparable…
From that aspect, your two comparisons are really incomprable.
I agree completely with your post.
Soapbox,
Listen, she can write about whatever she wants. I’m not attacking her at all. I was just calling a spade a spade.
I’m with feebiebabe on this one, I believe in the sanctity of life, but when someone doesn’t share this view, then their right to life is a non-issue. To argue the value of deterrence is to totally ignore what is right and wrong.
Sorry for the “eddie the echo” post above…!
It differs from state-to-state; however, I take your point.
I still think they should be taken off of the taxpayers dole. If they are dead, no more appeals. I don’t care what the cost is for carrying out capital punishment. Get over with already.
Sorry mp, the debate isn’t over.
From this NY Times story (Iknow, I know)
Quoted are Professor Cass Sunstein from the University of Chicago and Adrian Vermeule, a law professor at Harvard. Their Stanford Law Review article (48 pages, pdf format) is here (I’m at work and cannot read it at the moment.) It was this study (37 pages, pdf) that had people talking.
JHSII,
You’re using the word incorrectly. To deter implies that you’re persuading them to choose another course of action.
For example, there is a bridge. On the middle of the bridge, there’s a pot of gold. As you begin to walk toward the pot of gold, a voice from the heavens warns that if you touch the gold, you’ll be struck down by a lightening bolt. If you choose to walk away from the gold, you have been deterred by the voice. If you still go for it, you haven’t.
That’s deterrence.
If there’s a bridge, and there’s a pot of gold on the bridge, and as you walk toward the gold you get hit with a lightening bolt, that’s NOT deterrence. Now your friend BEHIND you might be deterred, but you have not been. You’re been debilitated significantly, but there’s a difference between debilitated and deterred.
On December 4th, 2007 at 1:04 pm, mpChops said: #128
Perfect!!!