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		<title>By: Japan Following India&#8217;s Education Model &#171; Ramblingcrusader&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Japan Following India&#8217;s Education Model &#171; Ramblingcrusader&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Most Certainly Not</title>
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		<dc:creator>Most Certainly Not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Trying to Slip One Past Me...&lt;/strong&gt;

I pay scrupulous attention to what my daughter learns in school. I keep tabs on textbooks, homework assignments, skills requirements, curricular objectives and the like. The problem, I believe, is that my non-Mom brain is having trouble keeping my Mom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Trying to Slip One Past Me&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I pay scrupulous attention to what my daughter learns in school. I keep tabs on textbooks, homework assignments, skills requirements, curricular objectives and the like. The problem, I believe, is that my non-Mom brain is having trouble keeping my Mom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AlohaGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlohaGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As an engineer, all this works to my advantage: no competition for future employment by any up-and-comers. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

#91, GaijinBob - Ha! You wish.  Your competition is logging on to his computer in Estonia right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As an engineer, all this works to my advantage: no competition for future employment by any up-and-comers. </p></blockquote>
<p>#91, GaijinBob &#8211; Ha! You wish.  Your competition is logging on to his computer in Estonia right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Surak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#78 - Quite a find in the NYT: &quot;the platitudes of achievement&quot;?  Wow.  This language sounds straight out of Ayn Rand&#039;s Atlas Shrugged, only there it was dystopian parody.  How depressing that people actually can say such drivel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#78 &#8211; Quite a find in the NYT: &#8220;the platitudes of achievement&#8221;?  Wow.  This language sounds straight out of Ayn Rand&#8217;s Atlas Shrugged, only there it was dystopian parody.  How depressing that people actually can say such drivel.</p>
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		<title>By: GaijinBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaijinBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an engineer, all this works to my advantage: no competition for future employment by any up-and-comers.  Supply and demand, baby!  Reduce the supply and the price goes up! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an engineer, all this works to my advantage: no competition for future employment by any up-and-comers.  Supply and demand, baby!  Reduce the supply and the price goes up! <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: StandardDeviation</title>
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		<dc:creator>StandardDeviation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My freshman year of college, I took an education class beacuse it was something I was remotely interested in.

It was a class on how to evaluate students.  

One thing that stuck out is how the professor emphasized that students should be tested on whether or not they can demonstrate the unserstanding of certain concepts over whether or not they happen to come up with the correct answer. (Partial credit vs. all-or-nothing.)

That was the last education class I ever took.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My freshman year of college, I took an education class beacuse it was something I was remotely interested in.</p>
<p>It was a class on how to evaluate students.  </p>
<p>One thing that stuck out is how the professor emphasized that students should be tested on whether or not they can demonstrate the unserstanding of certain concepts over whether or not they happen to come up with the correct answer. (Partial credit vs. all-or-nothing.)</p>
<p>That was the last education class I ever took.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW: Personally I don&#039;t believe in evolution or intelligent design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: Personally I don&#8217;t believe in evolution or intelligent design.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister P</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/04/the-continuing-curse-of-fuzzy-math/comment-page-1/#comment-187994</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well James as an old science teacher I take this stand. The Theory of Evolution is just a theory or a model to try to explain the origin of species from material evidence. As such it is full of holes, but that does not mean it is unscientific. However Evolution is not a religion and not a treatise on faith. It needs to be discussed rationally and modified as information comes in. 
Intelligent Design is more of philosophical explanation for the origin of species, but has little scientific principals to investigate. It is more an issue of faith than science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well James as an old science teacher I take this stand. The Theory of Evolution is just a theory or a model to try to explain the origin of species from material evidence. As such it is full of holes, but that does not mean it is unscientific. However Evolution is not a religion and not a treatise on faith. It needs to be discussed rationally and modified as information comes in.<br />
Intelligent Design is more of philosophical explanation for the origin of species, but has little scientific principals to investigate. It is more an issue of faith than science.</p>
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		<title>By: James Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious...

How many people here advocate the teaching of creationism or &quot;intelligent design&quot; in school? And if you do, how is that any different than fuzzy math?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious&#8230;</p>
<p>How many people here advocate the teaching of creationism or &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; in school? And if you do, how is that any different than fuzzy math?</p>
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		<title>By: AlohaGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlohaGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrT, you will be amazed to discover that any blonde waitress, educated or not can calculate 15% of any number in her head, on any amount.  To the penny.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrT, you will be amazed to discover that any blonde waitress, educated or not can calculate 15% of any number in her head, on any amount.  To the penny.  <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mister P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Dr T. Who do you think is teaching Math to these students in high school? Not your Math majors. I can guarentee it. The Math majors have other options and deserted Math education programs 30 years ago. Politicians ignored this then as did educators. To get people to teach Math they watered down the curriculum. It is NOT about the text books. It is completely about the inability to train and recruit qualified teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Dr T. Who do you think is teaching Math to these students in high school? Not your Math majors. I can guarentee it. The Math majors have other options and deserted Math education programs 30 years ago. Politicians ignored this then as did educators. To get people to teach Math they watered down the curriculum. It is NOT about the text books. It is completely about the inability to train and recruit qualified teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: WarTip</title>
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		<dc:creator>WarTip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr T, if they had any critical thinking skills at all wouldn&#039;t that preclude them from getting into most Universities or colleges? I hope I am wrong and I know some people have managed to accomplish it but in the mid nineteen-eighties I had so many go-arounds with two of my professors teaching opinion rather than fact that I ended up quitting. 

Unfortunately perhaps, I still have a little too much Hillbilly in my blood. (And don&#039;t tell Rose but actually my Pa was from Texas and I reckon I got some of that in my blood as well) When these people start spitting lie-laced, emotional venom my way I get so angry that ugly does not even begin to describe it. Fortunately, my Ma got me out of the public school system at an earlier age but I never could manage college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr T, if they had any critical thinking skills at all wouldn&#8217;t that preclude them from getting into most Universities or colleges? I hope I am wrong and I know some people have managed to accomplish it but in the mid nineteen-eighties I had so many go-arounds with two of my professors teaching opinion rather than fact that I ended up quitting. </p>
<p>Unfortunately perhaps, I still have a little too much Hillbilly in my blood. (And don&#8217;t tell Rose but actually my Pa was from Texas and I reckon I got some of that in my blood as well) When these people start spitting lie-laced, emotional venom my way I get so angry that ugly does not even begin to describe it. Fortunately, my Ma got me out of the public school system at an earlier age but I never could manage college.</p>
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		<title>By: DrT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a college professor, I am sooooo tired of students who have graduated high school without the ability to spell, read critically, write or do math.

When I amaze my students by calculating grade percentages in my head, you know something is very very wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a college professor, I am sooooo tired of students who have graduated high school without the ability to spell, read critically, write or do math.</p>
<p>When I amaze my students by calculating grade percentages in my head, you know something is very very wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Regulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Italy, Greece, Turkey, and Mexico scored lower than the United States.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But hey, at least we got &lt;em&gt;Mexico&lt;/em&gt; beat!  Woo-hoo!

On a more serious note, Miss Ladybug raises a valid point about parental involvement: you can&#039;t just leave it to the schools anymore to teach your kids, it&#039;s got to be hands-on at home, too.  

The pathetic state of public education is the result of a perfect storm of negative influences: 

- Teachers&#039; unions that are nothing more than fund-raising organizations for the Democrat party;

- A Democrat party that rewards its fund-raisers by blocking any attempts to break their virtual monopoly on public education;

- &quot;Teachers&quot; who can&#039;t teach, because what they themselves are learning in their own training is more and more of a multi-culti, PC, &quot;feel good&quot; brew that is poisonous to the intellect;

- School administrations that run scared of the kids, because the threat of litigation makes it impossible for anyone at the school to discipline them - so they resort to things like drugs to to &quot;correct&quot; behavior that used to be called, &quot;Being a boy&quot;;

- School administrations and teachers&#039; unions that are more interested in cloaking their failures by playing games with educational standards than in reversing the slide; and

- An increasing breakdown of the traditional family, leading to more and more unruly kids showing up at school to play &quot;Lord of the Flies&quot; in the classroom.

Upshot: kids who get it from all sides, who recognize that the public &quot;system&quot; is a bad joke, whose parents don&#039;t give a damn, and who accordingly don&#039;t give a damn themselves.

Shoveling money at the problem isn&#039;t the answer; it&#039;s been tried repeatedly.  I&#039;d like to see a supplemental study showing how much different countries spend per child on education, cross-referenced to the students&#039; performance.  I&#039;d be willing to wager that the USA comes in near the top on the money-spent side (and we already know where we come out on the performance end).

How to solve these interconnected problems is like trying to untie Gordian&#039;s Knot.  What&#039;s needed is the equivalent of a scholastic Alexander the Great to just cleave the thing in two... but where is he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Italy, Greece, Turkey, and Mexico scored lower than the United States.</p></blockquote>
<p>But hey, at least we got <em>Mexico</em> beat!  Woo-hoo!</p>
<p>On a more serious note, Miss Ladybug raises a valid point about parental involvement: you can&#8217;t just leave it to the schools anymore to teach your kids, it&#8217;s got to be hands-on at home, too.  </p>
<p>The pathetic state of public education is the result of a perfect storm of negative influences: </p>
<p>- Teachers&#8217; unions that are nothing more than fund-raising organizations for the Democrat party;</p>
<p>- A Democrat party that rewards its fund-raisers by blocking any attempts to break their virtual monopoly on public education;</p>
<p>- &#8220;Teachers&#8221; who can&#8217;t teach, because what they themselves are learning in their own training is more and more of a multi-culti, PC, &#8220;feel good&#8221; brew that is poisonous to the intellect;</p>
<p>- School administrations that run scared of the kids, because the threat of litigation makes it impossible for anyone at the school to discipline them &#8211; so they resort to things like drugs to to &#8220;correct&#8221; behavior that used to be called, &#8220;Being a boy&#8221;;</p>
<p>- School administrations and teachers&#8217; unions that are more interested in cloaking their failures by playing games with educational standards than in reversing the slide; and</p>
<p>- An increasing breakdown of the traditional family, leading to more and more unruly kids showing up at school to play &#8220;Lord of the Flies&#8221; in the classroom.</p>
<p>Upshot: kids who get it from all sides, who recognize that the public &#8220;system&#8221; is a bad joke, whose parents don&#8217;t give a damn, and who accordingly don&#8217;t give a damn themselves.</p>
<p>Shoveling money at the problem isn&#8217;t the answer; it&#8217;s been tried repeatedly.  I&#8217;d like to see a supplemental study showing how much different countries spend per child on education, cross-referenced to the students&#8217; performance.  I&#8217;d be willing to wager that the USA comes in near the top on the money-spent side (and we already know where we come out on the performance end).</p>
<p>How to solve these interconnected problems is like trying to untie Gordian&#8217;s Knot.  What&#8217;s needed is the equivalent of a scholastic Alexander the Great to just cleave the thing in two&#8230; but where is he?</p>
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		<title>By: 30 pcs of silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>30 pcs of silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On December 5th, 2007 at 8:47 am, Dave from Flint said: 
Our kids may not be able to read &amp; write, but they sure feel good about themselves.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Reading and writing is sooo overrated... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On December 5th, 2007 at 8:47 am, Dave from Flint said:<br />
Our kids may not be able to read &amp; write, but they sure feel good about themselves.</p></blockquote>
<p>Reading and writing is sooo overrated&#8230; <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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