GSP

In addition, I have a question for those that have concealed weapon permits. Has “Gun Free Zones” ever stopped you from carrying your weapon into the “zone” if you knew that you weren’t going to be frisked?

Yes, it has. Most CC people I talk to in person and online have that same answer. Concealed carry licensees are among the most law-abiding people in the nation. We tend to follow the law/rules.

There are different kinds of “gun free zones”. For the sake of simplicity, generally there are those mandated by gov’t such as certain schools and those mandated by property owners such as this mall. I think they have a large effect on the general population when there is someone within one shooting at them and there is no one armed and trained nearby to stop the bad guy.

I don’t know if the “gun free” part effected him or not. To even guess would be uninformed speculation.

We carry them because it is our God given right to defend ourselves and our societal obligation to defend our neighbor.

That’s incorrect. At least, that’s not completely correct. I think it’s an extremely liberal interpretation of the 2nd Amendment to suggest that we reserve the right to bear arms as even a means of self defense FROM our neighbors. Yes, we reserve that right to protect ourselves from our government, forcefully if neseccary, and yes we have a right to defend ourselves from physical harm, but it’s incorrect to conflate the two.

Basically, you’re suggesting that we have a right to police our communities as we see fit, since most crimes is an offense to someone and since defending against that crime would be a defense to ourselves and our neighbors. We do not have that right.

I think it weakens the argument for the individual right to bear arms when we suggest that it’s an effective way to stop crime.

In addition, I have a question for those that have concealed weapon permits. Has “Gun Free Zones” ever stopped you from carrying your weapon into the “zone” if you knew that you weren’t going to be frisked? I only ask because I think there is some confusion regarding the term. With most “Gun Free Zones”, it exists only to add an additional charge to those that commit crimes and have a gun. I think some are overemphasizing the effect of the zones of the general population.

And let’s be honest here. Do you really, REALLY think this crazy kid picked his location do to it being a “gun free zone”? Do you really think he had another place and mind and thought “No, too dangerous. Not “Gun Free”? Come on.

Imagine my surprise when it was another thrill killing punk… a highly prized product of our liberal schools, and social system!

Were you really surprised?

I have spent most of the day on various firearms forums discussing this tragic incident. In answer to babbledabble and others who question the effectiveness of citizens carrying concealed weapons in such a situation, let me ask you this: do you wear your seatbelt? Do you drive a car with airbags and crumple zones? Do you realize that those safety features do not always deploy quickly enough or effectively enough to save your or your passenger’s lives? Does that doubt mean you stop wearing seat belts and buy a 1960 Corvair because if you can’t be protected 100% why be protected at all?

None of us who carry a firearm professionally or as citizens can guess how likely it would have been that one or more of us could have been in a position to save even one life yesterday. But this is something you can bet on. If this had not been a “gun free zone” (also known as a “target rich environment if you are the bad guy looking through the scope) and there had been armed citizens in a position to even try to stop this, even at the risk of themselves, someone would have tried.

We don’t carry firearms because we are afraid. We carry them because we refuse to be afraid. We carry them because it is our God given right to defend ourselves and our societal obligation to defend our neighbor. God bless the victims and their families.

those sweet little muslims never done nuthin’ to nobody… why suspect them?

If it makes you feel better Chops, the first thing that popped into my mind when I saw the news about the killings last night was those crazy, wild, and wacky zoroastrians are at it again. .

Imagine my surprise when it was another thrill killing punk… a highly prized product of our liberal schools, and social system!

I have to wonder, how many other of these high profile shootings would have been prevented if a person carrying a CCW had been there?
GSP
“An armed society is a polite society”

If you carry a concealed firearm, then when you prevent the local scum bag criminal from killing you, or robbing you, or raping your wife…. THAT’S STOPPING A CRIME!!!

If you shoot and kill, or more preferably horribly mame a punk terrorist shooting innocent people at the mall….
THAT’S STOPPING A CRIME!!!

That’s why any law abiding person carries a conceal firearm…
TO STOP CRIME!!!

However, I do take issue with people bringing up the “gun-free” zone aspect, and concealed weapons permits. If one supports concealed weapon permits, they support it because of their right to carry, not because they feel they should stop crime.

However, I do take issue with people bringing up the “gun-free” zone aspect, and concealed weapons permits. If one supports concealed weapon permits, they support it because of their right to carry, not because they feel they should stop crime.

tango-foxtrot sausage

Let me if I get this straight-kid loses his job at mickey d’s, gets dumped by his girlfriend, upset at life and decides to violently strike out. Sad and pathetic that the lives of others meant nothing to him for his “15 minutes of fame”.

I have carried various weapon systems over the past 15 years and depending on where and what I was doing would dictate what I carried. Until moving to TN, I generally carried a collapsible baton & pepper spray that would handle most threats fairly easily.
Unfortunately my slapstick is illegal for me to carry here.

With the mall and the VT shooting, I am having to reconsider my self defense plans and train accordingly.

GSP
P.S. Santa I want a new “Red Rider Repeating BB Gun” for Christmas—I have been really, really, really good this year! /large grin /

Yes, it’s possible to recognize the threat, pull your concealed firearm, and kill a terrorist… believe it or not.

This punk, like the clown at VTech, is nothing but a scum bag, “fame” terrorist. Killing people to go out in style??? To be famous??? If I ever run across his grave, I will take big smelly dump on it!!!

If more people were there with the ability to shoot back, then perhaps this terrorist would not have shot so many.

But, if you just want to kill sheep, then go to sheep pen and start shooting. The unarmed sheep will not shoot back. You can kill as many as you need to be “famous”!

Oh, and yes he IS famous… Has his ugly face all over Drudge, and every other tabloid news outlet, both electronic an otherwise… DISGUSTING!!!

Chuck said:
2) want to bet there’s a pile of violent video games at the house? especially ones where you get to kill with guns of one sort of another?

C’mon, are you serious? I’m really hoping that’s sarcasm.