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The beating on the Baltimore bus: What if the races had been reversed?

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 6, 2007 03:06 PM

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Victim Sarah Kreager Photo via The Examiner.

If the races had been reversed in this monstrous crime, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would already have booked their private planes on the first flight out to Baltimore. Via The Examiner:

As Sarah Kreager, 26, tried to sit down on a Baltimore City bus Tuesday, police say, a middle-schooler told her she couldn’t. When she attempted to take another seat, a middle-schooler wouldn’t let her. Finally, according to police, Kreager just sat down.

She was “immediately attacked” by nine students — three females and six males — from Robert Poole Middle School. They punched and kicked her at 2:59 p.m. at the intersection of 33rd Street and Chestnut Avenue, according to Maryland Transit Administration police.

Kreager was dragged off the bus and her boyfriend, Troy Ennis, attempted to get her back on, police said.

She sustained “serious injuries” and had to be transported to the University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center, according to a police report.
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Kreager suffered two broken bones in her left eye socket, police said.

“She had eye muscles that were damaged,” a police report states. “She had deep lacerations on the top of her head and another above her neck.”

Two seats and the bus’ rear glass were destroyed during the attack, police said.

The bus driver on the No. 27 line quickly called police, who responded and arrested the nine juveniles, said Jawauna Greene, an MTA police spokeswoman.

All nine suspects, ages 14 and 15, were arrested and charged with aggravated assault…

…The suspects in the incident are black. The victim is white, according to the police report.

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  1. #201
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:18 pm, bear1909 said:

    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:00 pm, RetFireman said:
    Bear: Hate to disagree with you my friend, but there are definately places you just do not go to as a white person…EVER. However, there is not a similar issue for other races when entering white areas. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with being paranoid, and everything to do with racism…or what is more commonly referred to as reverse racism. That’s right…the “white boy/cracka/honkey mofo” will be lucky if all that happens is that he gets beat to hell and hospitalised.

    I grew up in and worked the streets. This is just a cold, hard fact.

    I don’t disagree with you. That wasn’t the point. The point is that people who have never been to the places you refer to “know” before setting foot.

    What is that? It isn’t racism. But how does that get passed on— and what gets passed along with that?

    I’m not being naive. I’ve lived on the streets you are talking about. And I know what we have done and are capable of doing to white people.

    But there is more to this than where white people can go and can’t go. Where i live now, if a black person comes in on foot, there is a cruiser up here within seconds. It is a different reality for us if we look like we don’t belong somewhere.

    I don’t know how familiar with that side of the story you might be. But it’s real.

    My preference in this kind of discussion is not to get pinned down on who does what more and who hates whom more, etc. etc.

    I am more interested and involved in moving against the horsecr*p that passes for “civil rights”, namely shaking down elites for money and excusing the sociopathic and murderous behavior of non-whites.

    I am also more interested at looking at the criminal value sets operating in the United States which are emulated by emerging criminal classes- whether they be Wiggers, Gangstas, Gang bangers, Familias…..

    So ya, i get what you’re saying about no-go zones. But there is more to all of it than what somebody’s reality is who can’t go here or there……as the Citizenry we need to fly a little higher to see that the map is indeed not the territory.

    Mad respect and props to you RetFireman.

    Bear1909 out.

  2. #202
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:18 pm, feebiebabe said:

    If the press can show the photo of this poor woman, they sure as heck should show the photos of these punks.

    Won’t happen in this case. Double standard.

  3. #203
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:19 pm, TXRose said:

    Helene, they can’t show their pictures because they’re
    juvies.
    Me too, feebie.

  4. #204
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:21 pm, feebiebabe said:

    #202 - you are right. i forgot about that.

    I stand corrected.

  5. #205
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:23 pm, purplepeep said:

    Watcherdownsouth said:
    There is something about 50,000+ volts crackling the air when you tap the button that will absolutely freeze a crowd in place. Besides, if you are lucky, the first punk you zap will wet himself or lose control of his bowels, or both, thus giving the rest of the pack an idea of what is coming. I promise you will not have to zap more than two.

    Getting up close and personal like that against a group is something I’d avoid.

    You gotta tazer while they got who knows what.

    A weapon that can handle things at a distance makes more sense to me.

  6. #206
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:24 pm, TXRose said:

    Hey, OT but I just got through reading that if HRC is
    elected, Slick will only sit in on cabinet meetings, IF
    ASKED.

  7. #207
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:24 pm, bear1909 said:

    The woman targeted in this crime on the bus needs to get a good attorney behind her case and take it as far as she can.

    She needs a good racial justice advocate who can articulate the crux of this matter that prevents the media and the hucksters from spinning it and shutting her down.

    She has rights and equal protection under the law. We must be part of her support system.

    I don’t care if she spit on somebody or not. It never should have happened.

  8. #208
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:26 pm, willie peter said:
    at 5:12 pm,
    bear1909 said:
    On December 6th, 2007 at 4:43 pm, xler8bmw said:
    Let’s be honest NO PC here. There is more Black/Hispanic on White crime than the other way around.
    So, when will you lay out the stats on that one?

    5:41 pm, feebiebabe said:
    #131 -

    Info is easily available.
    Please cite your source.

    Thank you.

    5:44 pm, 29Victor said:
    On December 6th, 2007 at 5:39 pm, puhiawa said:

    Blacks are responsible for 51% of homicides in America and are 13 times more likely to attack a white than the other way around. They are close to a majority in aggravated assault. Info is easily available.
    If “Info is easily available” a link shouldn’t be too much to ask for, should it?

    On December 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pm, CommentGuy said:
    Interracial Crime Stats

    On December 6th, 2007 at 6:09 pm, bear1909 said:
    I have to go back to work. I will check back in later.

    FBI reports are publically available for crimes.

    Educate us, all PC nonsense aside

  9. #209
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:26 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    You do realize that where Rudy campaigned in this county this week, they sent 3 busloads and 50 students to the Jena 6 rally. They held rallies for a week honoring the Jena 6. I won’t harp on it any more, but it’s just strange that Rudy’s handlers chose this place for a campaign stop. I’m sure he went to private events too, but I question the judgement.

    There has been a double standard with regard to race for a while. It isn’t good for either race.

  10. #210
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:27 pm, feebiebabe said:

    #207 - I don’t mean to be rude, but is there a point to your post?

    ????

  11. #211
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:28 pm, TXRose said:

    Bet she didn’t have to do anything. Sounds like they
    either targeted her from a previous encounter where
    she may have “dissed” one somehow or she was picked at random. I sat on a trial where that happened. The girl was driving by and the two guys
    decided that because she ignored them when they
    made a sexual remarks while they were all at the light
    that she had dissed them and needed to die. She did.

  12. #212
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:29 pm, olsantaroy said:

    Fascinating series of comments on this story. Can’t wait until returning from a red suit visit to a minority-majority elementary school to refresh the page and see what else is posted.

    The Santa Season is upon us. Merry Christmas, ho, ho ho

  13. #213
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:30 pm, feebiebabe said:

    bear, 200 - great post.

  14. #214
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:32 pm, TXRose said:

    #211
    In Australia, ho, ho, ho, is no longer pc. Maybe you
    could say, wo, wo, wo?

  15. #215
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:32 pm, mojoe said:

    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:11 pm, Uplander said:
    I’m scared now.

    You have me confused with someone else (#195) Uplander.
    I was expressing disgust with Charles B. Simpson’s assinine comments, not agreeing with him.

  16. #216
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:33 pm, feebiebabe said:

    #214 - original comment may have been deleted. throws all the numbers off.

    :-)

  17. #217
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:35 pm, Watcherdownsouth said:

    A weapon that can handle things at a distance makes more sense to me.

    Purplekeep, google “tasers” and wander around for a while. There are lots of models that fire the electrodes (non-lethally) up to 15-25 feet, some longer. The electric charge runs down a thin wire — still effective, but you can keep your distance. Besides, tasers are legal just about everywhere without a permit….

    But don’t get me wrong — I am also a fan of expediting a “long dirt nap” to really bad guys.

    “Gun control means hitting what you aim at.”

  18. #218
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:46 pm, Regulus said:

    Having been on the receiving end of a 3-on-1 mugging back in 1989 that put me in a hospital for two days (and yes, I’m white and the assailants were all black, FWIW), I read this story and just shook my head.

    It’s said that people who’ve been mugged once generally don’t get mugged again. Why? Because you learn things:

    1. White person gets on a bus in a high-crime area, which is populated heavily by blacks. Big mistake. Applied lesson #1: Get off that bus PDQ.

    2. Applied lesson #2: If you’re going to frequent high-crime areas, and can get a concealed carry permit, do so.

    3. Applied lesson #3: If you are confronted by groups of people making bizarre or unreasonable requests or demands of you, they are going to attack. Prepare to defend yourself.

    4. Applied lesson #4: When attacked, be ready to inflict death or serious bodily injury in return. You’re going to take a beating whether you fight back or not; but group muggers are generally cowards (that’s why they travel in packs), and killing or seriously injuring one or two of them may cause the rest to flee.

    The best applied lesson, of course, is to develop a “situational awareness.” In many if not most cases you can learn to see trouble coming while there’s still time to avoid it. But if you can’t avoid a fight, then take the advice of “Stonewall” Jackson:

    “Be slow to draw the sword in civil strife; but once you do, throw away the scabbard.”

  19. #219
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:46 pm, Leatherneck said:

    That is what we learn in school these days. How to get your legs in the air, no respect for teachers, and beat the hell out of Whitey! Cuz yous nose they be demons.

    Isn’t secular humanism grand?

  20. #220
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:47 pm, purplepeep said:

    Watcherdownsouth said:
    Purplekeep, google “tasers” and wander around for a while. There are lots of models that fire the electrodes (non-lethally) up to 15-25 feet, some longer.

    Yup, I was thinking of the hand-2-hand ones there, Watcher. Still, I’m thinkin’ firearms would be a better choice.

  21. #221
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:47 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #120 & response to Bear.

    Crime Rates

    Blacks are seven times more likely than people of
    other races to commit murder, and eight times
    more
    likely to commit robbery.

    When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are
    nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to
    use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a
    knife.

    Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three
    times the white rate, and Asians commit violent
    crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

    The single best indicator of violent crime levels
    in an area is the percentage of the population
    that is black and Hispanic.

    Interracial Crime

    Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes
    committed every year involving blacks and whites,
    blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15
    percent.

    Blacks commit more violent crime against whites
    than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their
    victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10
    percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent
    crime, only three percent of their victims are
    black.

    Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to
    commit a violent crime against a white than vice
    versa, and 136 times more likely to commit
    robbery.

    Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit
    officially-designated hate crimes against whites
    than vice versa.

    Gangs

    Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

    Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to
    be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times
    more likely, and Asians are nine times more
    likely.

    Incarceration

    Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate
    more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000,
    and the number of prisoners increased from
    320,000
    to 1.39 million.

    Blacks are seven times more likely to be in
    prison
    than whites. Hispanics are three times more
    likely.

    Source:

    http://amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf

  22. #222
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:48 pm, Uplander said:

    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:32 pm, mojoe said:
    My sincere apologies mojoe, I copied too much of the message. I only reiterate your concern with the loser noted.

  23. #223
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:49 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Nuff said!

  24. #224
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:49 pm, stromsdaughter said:

    There are “2805 [documented] victims of lynch mobs killed between 1882 and 1930 in ten southern states. Although mobs murdered almost 300 white men and women, the vast majority almost 2,500 of lynch victims were African-American. Of these black victims, 94 percent died in the hands of white lynch mobs. The scale of this carnage means that, on the average, a black man, woman, or child was murdered nearly once a week, every week, between 1882 and 1930 by a hate-driven white mob”

    Pay back is a bit*h…

  25. #225
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:52 pm, Uplander said:

    2 tings, eh?
    Tasers need recharging, speedloaders are ‘There when you need them’.

    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:09 pm, feebiebabe said:

    TX Rose,

    OT: not all pitts are bad….

    In general I must agree, but (you knew that was coming). ‘Some Say’ (just kidding, don’t you hate it when a pundit is afraid to attribute to them selves), anyway, my sister has had a farm 80 mile outside Detroit for over 30 year, you may have heard this story, I won’t link because, just because. A neighbor decided to raise dogs, ostensibly as a breeder. As it would happen they were bred for the ‘Pit’. 4 of these monsters dug out of their wire fence cage, (no footers, no impediment) and proceeded to attack an elderly man in his yard, a neighbor lady jogging past tried to help. After they finished the old man they dragged the healthy young jogger into the road and left her literally in pieces. My sister walks her 10 acres whenever the weather permits and this could have been her. There is no reason in our Lords world to breed killers. The owners were arrested and the rest of the ‘pack’ destroyed. I understand that it is not the fault of the critters, as you say they are just… Supposed civilized people that train animals in this fashion should themselves be thrown to ‘The Pit’.
    Please forgive my passion here. I don’t often comment, your missives seem well reasoned and I enjoy the ‘banter’ amongst the regulars.

  26. #226
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:53 pm, feebiebabe said:

    #222 - eccelerate BMW (cute moniker by the way).

    Honestly, this link is coming up as “racism” and “hate”.

    My company blocker has been known to be overly sensative (meaning, it is not always the case)…but is there any other way to cite your source????

    Thank you,

  27. #227
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:56 pm, UberInfidel67 said:

    I am in total shock as to how racial tensions are perpetuated. My nephew, who is black, is constantly being told by me, his white aunt, what I expect of him. I try to teach him not to use his mixed race to either hold him back nor help him excel under false pretenses. He WILL grow up to be a strong, smart man. His color will not affect him. I refuse to let it. Maybe more people need to start instilling these values into their children, whether they be black or white.

  28. #228
    On December 6th, 2007 at 7:59 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #225 hi feebs. Thanks I like BMW’s I will look for you.

  29. #229
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:00 pm, UberInfidel67 said:

    #223….Are you saying she deserved being curb stomped??? PLEASE correct me if I misunderstood you.

  30. #230
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:01 pm, feebiebabe said:

    #224 - I am in complete agreement.

    These dogs have a LONG way to go to breed the fight out of them. I wouldn’t own one.

    But we have a next door neighbor with one….no problem what so ever.

    When you get them from the pound…you have NO IDEA what you are getting or if they came from some where similar to the above. Not there fault, but these animals should always be destroyed.

    Unfortunate circumstance that was 100% preventable.

  31. #231
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:05 pm, WarTip said:

    Fact: A heinous crime was committed.

    Fact: The perpetrators should be held accountable and prosecuted.

    Fact: The victims and perpetrators all were of some race. This fact does not have any relevance to the crime, the severity of the attack or anything else. It certainly should not be relevant in the prosecution (or defense) of anyone involved with the case.

    Fact: If someone is a menace to society they should be removed from that society for its protection and benefit. What they feel, what they are or how they became what they are is not relevant.

    Fact: The Bill of Rights is centered around an area of personal responsibility. The government only has a right to deprive us of our freedoms if and when we become as individuals, incapable of being personally responsible enough to enjoy those freedoms. How we feel or what we are has no bearing.

    Fact: We have a legal right to defend ourselves and if more people did that, there would be many less crimes of this nature. Unfortunately, our liberal society fails to recognize our very right to life depends first and foremost on our ability to defend ourselves and seeks to punish those who exercise this most basic right.

    Opinion: Hate Crime is not covered anywhere in the Constitution. It is the bastard child of a highly centralized (And thus Unconstitutional) federal body of government that seeks to divide us as a people and conquer us as a nation so that we are so busy fighting amongst ourselves that we pay no attention to the man behind the curtain while they usurp what little control they do not yet have.

    Again, if someone attacks me or my family I do not care who they are. I do not care what they are. I do not care how they feel justified in attacking me. I do not care why they feel the way they do or what has made them the way that they are. If you choose to attack me or my family, know coming in that I will defend myself to the full extent of my potential. Illegal laws be damned!

    How about we should ALL be Americans first? How about We The People stand up as a people rather than allow ourselves to be divided by differences that are altogether irrelevant to our society?

    Just my opinion.

  32. #232
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:07 pm, TXRose said:

    #226…Agree wholeheartedly.
    Uplander, I have personally known one pit and she was
    a great dog but I still wouldn’t have her around children. Sugarbug is a 5# papillon with the ego of and heart of a tiger. I love her dearly but I wouldn’t
    have her around children because she can be testy at
    times.
    You have to use common sense and not everyone who
    breeds dogs has common sense just like not everyone
    who can reproduce themselves should.

  33. #233
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:09 pm, purplepeep said:

    xler8bmw said:
    #120 & response to Bear.

    You do know that “AmRen” is a site that “promotes a variety of white racial positions”, xler?

  34. #234
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:09 pm, Watcherdownsouth said:

    Stromsdaughter #223 — You are a moron. You are going to use dubious stats (no link?) from a 48-year period that started less than a generation removed from the Civil War to justify racist hate crimes today?

    Yeeeaahh….let me know how that defense holds up in court.

    Methinks me smells a troll…..

    And BTW, using “your” numbers, that equates to only one death per week in ten states that were full of men raised in a pre-Civil War mindset.

    Hell, we have more problems with black-on-black or balack-on-white crime now…

  35. #235
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:11 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Feebs #226. It comes up as a pdf. and if you can access it later it footnotes stats acquired by USDOJ & FBI stats. maybe you can get it at home.

  36. #236
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:14 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Purple that may be but they use USDOJ and FBI stats. Just because you don’t like the source doesn’t mean the information isn’t correct. It’s not AMREN’s opinion but, it is based on facts.

  37. #237
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:17 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Regulus #217,

    Good post, all true. I am a white man & a long term resident of Bed Stuy Bklyn. I get robbed at gun point every so often (strange because guns are outlawed here, hmmmm) but the motive is financial not racial. (OK, yes the robbers do assume correctly that I being white & employed have some cash).

    In this case I don’t expect the victim a lone female to stand up to NINE attackers… note the boy friend was unharmed. hmmmm.

    The problem as I see it is that the “kids” who committed this crime did so because they thought (correctly?) it was OK to do so…

    We need MUCH stronger sentencing AND we need a society that does not teach us to be victims.

  38. #238
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:19 pm, BrianG1979 said:

    Seriously the racist remarks here need to stop.

  39. #239
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:20 pm, TXRose said:

    I don’t know why we’re talking about black on white
    crime as payback for the KKK and other hate filled
    people that lynched blacks in the past. I am not going
    to go into what the whites did to the Cherokee or what
    the British did to the Irish and Scots not to mention
    what happened to my husbands ancestors. That is a
    specious argument.

  40. #240
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:23 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Rose, guilt runs deep.

  41. #241
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:23 pm, deepdiver said:

    FWIW I am familiar with the .pdf that xler8bmw posted and I have spot checked some of their stats at original sources and have found those underlying numbers to be accurate. I question some of their statistical analysis but generally their statistical conclusions seem to be applicable although there is some extrapolation I have not investigated. Generally, their numbers are supported in other crime info I have read. If you read the .pdf as a general overview rather than point by point, it seems to pretty much hold weight based on the bit of time I spent reviewing it last summer.

    If anyone reviews it and spots any substantial errors, I would be interested in the information. My review was not comprehensive by any means.

  42. #242
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:24 pm, mpChops said:

    Statistics can prove anything people.

    Let’s look at black on white vs. white on black crime logically.

    1) There are more whites than blacks in this country.

    2) Blacks do commit crime at a higher rate than whites.

    3) Crimes has victims.

    From the first three, we can logically conclude that:

    The victims of crimes commited by blacks are going to be those who are the largest percent of the population.

    Whites are the most victimized group in the country because they are the largest proportion of the population by far

    Think about it! If blacks victimized each race equally, there would be significantly more black on white crimes than black on black crimes, however, that isn’t true. There are a higher RATE of black on black crime than black on white crime, which if were using some of the logic expunged on this board, would suggest that blacks are racist against….other blacks?

    There is a significant lack of common sense tonight.

  43. #243
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:25 pm, purplepeep said:

    xler8bmw said:
    Purple that may be but they use USDOJ and FBI stats. Just because you don’t like the source doesn’t mean the information isn’t correct. It’s not AMREN’s opinion but, it is based on facts.

    Well, xler, I frequently tell folks not to “shoot the messenger”, so that’s a valid point.

    The problem here, as with similar groups, is that individual outside facts and stats can be strung together to “prove” just about anything.

    If you were to use cold FBI/DOJ stats removed from the context of an “AmRen” opinion, that works much better. It’s not as if the group were the originator of the figures.

  44. #244
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:25 pm, TexasTiger said:

    Pay back (sic) is a bit*h…

    Engage brain, then type.

    It’s doubtful that the nine little savages were cognizant of any historic events before their birthdays. Probably couldn’t spell lynch if you spotted them all the consonants.

    At any rate, I thought the OJ acquittal was “payback.”

  45. #245
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:25 pm, almeehan said:

    With the new mayor, a very liberal black lady, we may see more of this if she doesn’t step in with a heavy hand and very strong denunciation of this. I grew up around Baltimore and saw a city that thrived then died, then was revived now is dying again unfortunately because of Democrats and racists political hanky panky.

  46. #246
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:27 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Deep#241 TY. As I said you don’t have to like the source but, from what I read and as well went to substantiate it is accurate. Agreed AMREN tends to lean a little too white supremecy minded for my taste but, it is what it is.

  47. #247
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:27 pm, TXRose said:

    Evening Red. Here’s one. An elderly female relative of
    mine was robbed at gunpoint by a black man, as she
    was exiting her car in her driveway. The irony is, she
    is very close friends with his Mother and Aunt.

  48. #248
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:28 pm, mpChops said:

    TexasTiger,

    Probably couldn’t spell lynch if you spotted them all the consonants.

    Why do you feel that way? Seriously. Justify that statement.

  49. #249
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:29 pm, bear1909 said:

    Regulus, you rock.

    The best applied lesson, of course, is to develop a “situational awareness.” In many if not most cases you can learn to see trouble coming while there’s still time to avoid it. But if you can’t avoid a fight, then take the advice of “Stonewall” Jackson:

    “Be slow to draw the sword in civil strife; but once you do, throw away the scabbard.”

  50. #250
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:30 pm, purplepeep said:

    TXRose said:
    I am not going to go into what the whites did to the Cherokee or what
    the British did to the Irish and Scots not to mention what happened to my husbands ancestors. That is a
    specious argument.

    Yup - and I’m not going after Norwegians for the Battle Of Copenhagen, Rose. Everybody could have a “reason” to assault another person if they look long enough!

    I find it hard to hold a grudge for very long, much less one removed by several generations/centuries.

  51. #251
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:30 pm, BrianG1979 said:

    Well its nice that the discussion has moved away from the fact that this poor woman got the crap beat out of her….

  52. #252
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:31 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Purple I am not diagreeing with you but, But if you read it it’s not their opinion. They give cold hard facts substantiated by the government. Sorry!

    I know we all want the utopia that it rains gum drop and puppies and kittens never grow up but, there are more crimes committed against whites by other races than whites against other races. And how many those crimes are murder by self defense of whites against other races?

  53. #253
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:32 pm, mpChops said:

    BrianG1979,

    What’s to discuss? She got the crap beat out of her and the people who did it should be punished.

    What would you like to add?

  54. #254
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:32 pm, brooklyn red said:

    BrianG1979, true some comments do seem racist… but others just state facts.

    We are all adults here & and the first step of 12 is uh…admitting there is a problem??

  55. #255
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:34 pm, brooklyn red said:

    mpChops Yes thank you. It is that simple.

  56. #256
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:35 pm, mpChops said:

    xler8bmw,

    there are more crimes committed against whites by other races than whites against other races.

    Pst. Whites commit crimes against whites more than they do against any minority group. Why do you, personally, feel that is?

  57. #257
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:35 pm, trinitytim said:

    Regulus and Brooklynred…

    Good posts.

    Situational Awareness is the KEY to survival. The person who can see the warning signs clearly is the one who will survive.

    When you wear a badge, carry a 9mm Sig, a Taser, and handcuffs and you still can’t get someone to respect you, Pre-emptive action may save your life.

    The names of these juvies will not be released in MD. It’s illegal to do so unless the charges are upgraded to Assault with Intent to Murder and they are tried as adults. Sorry, that’s the law.

    I’m not naive enough to believe that race is not a part of this and I agree with Retfireman that there are areas where race quickly becomes an issue and there are No-Go neighborhoods for whites and some for blacks as well.

    Oh yeah, #144, your comments are uncalled for and unwelcome. Buh-bye

  58. #258
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:37 pm, BrianG1979 said:

    brooklyn red, I am not talking about comments that state fact but more about the comments such as “This just goes to show what the Negro race is; animalistic.” which was made #144.

  59. #259
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:37 pm, purplepeep said:

    xler8bmw said:
    Deep#241 TY. As I said you don’t have to like the source but, from what I read and as well went to substantiate it is accurate. Agreed AMREN tends to lean a little too white supremecy minded for my taste but, it is what it is.

    My take is to just dismiss it out of hand, xler. Even a “little supremecy” - of any color - is a big fly in the ointment. FBI/crime stats hold up fine in and of themselves, so I personally would avoid “charged” sources that utilize the stats.

  60. #260
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:37 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Mychops. Please stay with the thread and read prior post. I don’t personally feel that way. I have provided stats. Again you must be able to separate opinion from stats and facts to play with the others.

  61. #261
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:39 pm, TexasTiger said:

    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:28 pm, mpChops said:
    TexasTiger,

    Probably couldn’t spell lynch if you spotted them all the consonants.

    Why do you feel that way? Seriously. Justify that statement.

    Soitanly. Picture a Venn diagram. Set A contains good spellers. Set B contains wilding participants. I have a hunch (no offense to the spinally deformed) that the two sets don’t intersect.

  62. #262
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:39 pm, TXRose said:

    Sometimes #251, you have to move away for just a
    moment because everytime I look at the picture of this
    young woman, I just want to scream. I want to know
    just what is going on with our society that a group of
    children, regardless of color, think they have a right to
    do this to another person. What kind of houses must
    these children have been dragged up in, because they
    certainly were not raised in homes or they would never have reacted as they did.
    This isn’t color, this isn’t payback for slavery or for
    lynchings or any other injustice. This is a group of
    children that are not grounded. They are just drifting, latching on to others who are drifting and
    becoming a mob.
    Yes, they deserve to be punished but they probably
    won’t be because someone is going to start talking
    about how it is all her fault for being white and being on that bus. The parents will never believe their little dears would do such a thing and since they are juveniles, well, we know that they’ll be in
    juvie until 18 if at all.
    Sorry about the rant but I feel better now, it will take Sarah a whole lot longer.

  63. #263
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:39 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Purple that fine don’t kill the messenger.

  64. #264
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:40 pm, deepdiver said:

    It doesn’t matter how much pigment any of the parties had in their skin. The act was reprehensible. If the victim had pulled a gun and killed all 9 punks in defense I would not feel a tremor of remorse for them. If her b/f had been a man and had defended her and in the process sent all 9 of them, the girls included, to the hospital I would feel no pity. Punks are punks are punks. A teenage punk not straightened out will become something even more heinous to society one day. That applies to white, black, yellow, purple, red, green, yellow, indigo and puce colored human beings.

    Unfortunately the Jackson/Sharpton Brigade are much like the CAIR Brigade. They only denounce reprehensible acts when it gets them something. Most of us here denounce reprehensible acts simply because we are moral, law abiding human beings who want our fellow citizens to live without fear and we find it abhorrent that people would not be able to do so in the United States of America.

  65. #265
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:42 pm, brooklyn red said:

    BrianG1979, sorry, but we are up to 260, 144 is sooo 9/10. :) I appreciate what you have to say!

  66. #266
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:43 pm, mpChops said:

    Mychops. Please stay with the thread and read prior post. I don’t personally feel that way. I have provided stats. Again you must be able to separate opinion from stats and facts to play with the others

    That doesn’t make any sense. Obviously you “agree” with that “stats” or you wouldn’t have posted them, or do you regularly post statistics that you disagree with. Regardless, I didn’t ask you if you agreed or disagreed with them. I asked you why you feel that whites commit more crimes against whites than they do any minority group.

    Basically, Stats mean nothing unless they’re analyzed. Statistically speak, whites commit more crimes against whites than they do against any minority group. I’m asking you to analyze that statistic and explain why you feel that’s true.

  67. #267
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:45 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Awww crap… do the crime, do the time.

  68. #268
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:46 pm, xler8bmw said:

    mpchops I provided the stats because others here asked me to back up a prior statement. Which I did. Please keep up!

  69. #269
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:47 pm, xler8bmw said:

    mpchops again if you read the thread the stats are from usdoj and the FBI. I didn’t cretae them out of some magical database. Sorry for the reality!

  70. #270
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:48 pm, purplepeep said:

    mpChops said:
    I asked you why you feel that whites commit more crimes against whites than they do any minority group.

    Wouldn’t a good answer be it’s due simple percentages? White folks comprise more of the US populace than do black folks.

  71. #271
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:48 pm, xler8bmw said:

    MP and I never said whites commit more crime against whites than other races if I did it was a typing mistake.

  72. #272
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:49 pm, mpChops said:

    Soitanly. Picture a Venn diagram. Set A contains good spellers. Set B contains wilding participants. I have a hunch (no offense to the spinally deformed) that the two sets don’t intersect.

    Ah, but you’re only describing the statement is visual terms. I was only asking why you feel there is no intersection. Ted Bundy murdered more than a couple people, but I hear he was a great intellectual.

  73. #273
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:51 pm, xler8bmw said:

    purple that’s not what I said. He can’t read.

    This is what I wrote

    “I know we all want the utopia that it rains gum drop and puppies and kittens never grow up but, there are more crimes committed against whites by other races than whites against other races.”

    Where did I say whites commit more crimes against whites?

  74. #274
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:52 pm, GaijinBob said:

    I blame global warming. It pushes people into the savage jungle hell of public transportation instead of the safety of their cars where they belong.

    mpChops said:

    Pst. Whites commit crimes against whites more than they do against any minority group. Why do you, personally, feel that is?

    Most crime is same-on-same simply because that is who you are most likely to come in contact with on a regular basis. However, among cross-racial crime, the most common nationwide is black on white. (Though here in L.A., there is a rising Hispanic on black crime rate as illegal alien gang bangers ethnically cleanse traditionally all-black neighborhoods, but shhhhhhh, no one is suppose to talk about that.)

  75. #275
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:53 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Hate to stir the pot, but it seems to me that this was more about a crime against gender, jus saying.

  76. #276
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:56 pm, purplepeep said:

    xler8bmw said:
    purple that’s not what I said. He can’t read.

    Yup, it is hard going to defend a statement one didn’t make!

  77. #277
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:56 pm, mpChops said:

    Xler8bmw,

    Statistics do not exist in a vacuum. Statistics are used to prove something. You were using the statistics you provided to prove something. I provided a statistic that you have probably found in your research, and I am asking you to determine what it proves.

    Whites commit more crimes against whites than any other group. What does that prove, or suggest?

  78. #278
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:57 pm, purplepeep said:

    brooklyn red said:
    Hate to stir the pot, but it seems to me that this was more about a crime against gender, jus saying.

    One third of her attackers were females, how does that fit in there?

  79. #279
    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:58 pm, Concerned Citizen said:

    Racism will exist as long as someone can make a buck finding it.

    If we were really striving to be color blind, the the concept of a “Hate Crime” would not exist. This crime is unconscionable regardless of the perpetrators, victim, and motive.

  80. #280
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:00 pm, mpChops said:

    GaijinBob,

    Most crime is same-on-same simply because that is who you are most likely to come in contact with on a regular basis. However, among cross-racial crime, the most common nationwide is black on white.

    But that’s it exactly. There’s going to be more cross racial crime with blacks commiting them against whites is because blacks come in contact with whites more than whites come in contact with blacks, to put it simply.

    To be more specific, a black criminal is going to come into contact with more potential victims whom are white than a white criminal will come into contact with more potential victims that are black.

  81. #281
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:00 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #227 you must be taking to many meds I didn’t say that. Pleas refere to posts #273 & #276.

    Again please keep up with adults.

  82. #282
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:01 pm, Uplander said:

    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:39 pm, TXRose said:

    The Heart of the Matter.
    Your rant even makes me feel better.
    Tanx

  83. #283
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:01 pm, brooklyn red said:

    If the couple were 230 lb gay bodybuilders the attack would not have taken place regardless of race… the weak get picked on, life sux.

    PUNISH the criminals!

  84. #284
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:01 pm, deepdiver said:

    That needs a TF - terrific follow-up, mpChops.

    The link to the stats was posted. My comments about my previous review of the stats is posted above. Instead of challenging the two of us who have actually looked at and reviewed the stats, please review the stats yourself, draw your conclusions and then we will be happy to discuss them with you.

    Pulling out a generalized comment about crime, without any numbers or source, and asking any of us to defend, support or discuss it is, in the words of Monty Python, just silly.

  85. #285
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:02 pm, xler8bmw said:

    mpchops let me help you out. This is what I said;

    “I know we all want the utopia that it rains gum drop and puppies and kittens never grow up but, there are more crimes committed against whites by other races than whites against other races.”

    Where did I say whites commit more crimes against whites?

  86. #286
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:02 pm, xler8bmw said:

    operative word being “against”

  87. #287
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:03 pm, PierreLegrand said:

    xler8bmw Great post…took the “words” right out of my mouth. I had seen those stats before Amren so the stats are legit but don’t let that fool you into believing that folks will not call you racist for pointing those facts out.

    And to stall out the folks who say those incarceration stats are racist and false because the white man administers justice let me point out that blacks are also 6 times more likely to die from a homicide. Are we to believe that the fact that a black man is 6 times more likely to be killed by homicide than a white man is an imaginary stat? That statistic is scandalous and the holier than thou folks who tell folks like you and me to shut up don’t seem to care.

    Here let me piss off a few more folks…there is a very high correlation between intelligence and crime. Very few crimes are committed by folks of average or high intelligence. Have fun ripping me apart for stating that…when you are done prove me wrong.

    That Geneticist Dr. Watson may have had a point…

    Finally it is about time to re-read a Nation of Cowards.

  88. #288
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:04 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Thanks deep better said than I was thinking.

  89. #289
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:05 pm, TexasTiger said:

    On December 6th, 2007 at 8:49 pm, mpChops said:
    Ah, but you’re only describing the statement is visual terms. I was only asking why you feel there is no intersection. Ted Bundy murdered more than a couple people, but I hear he was a great intellectual.

    I don’t have a copy of the Bell Curve in front of me and can’t provide a page cite, but I do recall reading that violent criminals are disproportionately reprsented in the lower quintiles of intelligence distribution.

    I will acknowledge exceptions to the rule such as Ted Bundy, Teddy “The Unabomber” K., et al.

  90. #290
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:05 pm, brooklyn red said:

    purplepeep

    don’t know… but the girl get F’ed up but not the boy. Hmmmmm… bet he ain’t getten any tonite.

  91. #291
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:06 pm, TXRose said:

    One way it fits in Peeep, is that she may have ridden
    the bus previously and one or more of the girls may have decided there was a problem and in turn incited
    the rest of the group.
    Females can often be much more vicious than males,
    especially in a pack.

  92. #292
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:06 pm, purplepeep said:

    brooklyn red said:
    If the couple were 230 lb gay bodybuilders the attack would not have taken place regardless of race

    I see, you’re saying the victim being female they assumed she was easy pickins’. That makes sense, in addition to racial motivation. Too bad she wasn’t carrying and able to give her attackers a Bernard Goetz response.

  93. #293
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:06 pm, TXRose said:

    Gotta preview. Sorry about all of the e s, Peep.

  94. #294
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:09 pm, purplepeep said:

    TXRose said:
    One way it fits in Peeep, is that she may have ridden the bus previously

    I suspect we’ll get more details as the story develops.

    Females can often be much more vicious than males, especially in a pack.

    I’m a guy - you don’t need to tell me that! :)

  95. #295
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:09 pm, James Felix said:

    I think the whole idea of hate crime laws is repellent, but if we’re going to have them they need to be applied to cases like this as well.

  96. #296
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:10 pm, mpChops said:

    Where did I say whites commit more crimes against whites?

    This is getting tedious. I never said you said that whites commit more crimes against whites. Feel free to find where I DID say that.

    I’m surprised that you and deepdiver haven’t discovered this statistic with your research. It leads me to believe that you two have cherry-picked your statistics in order to defend a biased conclusion.

  97. #297
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:10 pm, purplepeep said:

    TXRose said:
    Gotta preview. Sorry about all of the e s, Peep.

    You just bought a vowel, Rose, that’s all, lol.

  98. #298
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:11 pm, deepdiver said:

    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:05 pm, TexasTiger said:
    I will acknowledge exceptions to the rule such as Ted Bundy, Teddy “The Unabomber” K., et al.

    But there we get into serial killers and serial bombers. They tend to be above average intelligence. And so I’m not accused of leaving it out, they also tend to be white males from middle to upper-middle class suburban homes.

  99. #299
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:12 pm, gollumclone said:

    Tx Rose-
    After hearing the local pitbull attack story, I don’t put much trust in either pepper spray or taser.
    Used to carry pepper spray while jogging, but never had to use it. Now I will carrying a sharp pocket knife. Don’t know if I’d get involved in dog attacking someone unless it was really a vicious one. I’m sure the owners would be ready to sue. And it isn’t just the pitbulls- some of those Rottweilers are scary too. I’ve had Dobermans who were playful, but seem to frighten many people. I realize that they can turn on you and rip your throat out. I was accosted the other day by two Chihuahuas on the loose, but managed to survive intact .
    And as far as racial profiling goes, there are people who are ignorant of local threats. Tourists have gotten off of I-95 in South Fla. and been homicide victims in places like Liberty City.
    And I recall that skinheads were a threat in Allentown, Pa. area. So it can be Caucasian scum also. My personal opinion is that LBJ’s war on Poverty created a permanent welfare class addicted to the dole and with a sense of entitlement. Liberals love that behavior and keeping people forever dependent on their largess. Why is it that those who can afford children the least, think they have the right to pop out large numbers of rugrats? Why can’t we sterilize the men and women who abrogate their parental responsibilities? I know I’m just dreaming. The so-called “poor” Palis, as an example, sure are good at breeding future suicide bombers.

  100. #300
    On December 6th, 2007 at 9:12 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #287 Pierre. TY LOL. You I’m so over being called a racist. I will read what you posted not familiar.

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