The beating on the Baltimore bus: What if the races had been reversed?
Victim Sarah Kreager Photo via The Examiner.
If the races had been reversed in this monstrous crime, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would already have booked their private planes on the first flight out to Baltimore. Via The Examiner:
As Sarah Kreager, 26, tried to sit down on a Baltimore City bus Tuesday, police say, a middle-schooler told her she couldn’t. When she attempted to take another seat, a middle-schooler wouldn’t let her. Finally, according to police, Kreager just sat down.
She was “immediately attacked” by nine students — three females and six males — from Robert Poole Middle School. They punched and kicked her at 2:59 p.m. at the intersection of 33rd Street and Chestnut Avenue, according to Maryland Transit Administration police.
Kreager was dragged off the bus and her boyfriend, Troy Ennis, attempted to get her back on, police said.
She sustained “serious injuries” and had to be transported to the University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center, according to a police report.
Examiner.com Related Articles:Kreager suffered two broken bones in her left eye socket, police said.
“She had eye muscles that were damaged,” a police report states. “She had deep lacerations on the top of her head and another above her neck.”
Two seats and the bus’ rear glass were destroyed during the attack, police said.
The bus driver on the No. 27 line quickly called police, who responded and arrested the nine juveniles, said Jawauna Greene, an MTA police spokeswoman.
All nine suspects, ages 14 and 15, were arrested and charged with aggravated assault…
…The suspects in the incident are black. The victim is white, according to the police report.
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But there we get into serial killers and serial bombers. They tend to be above average intelligence. And so I’m not accused of leaving it out, they also tend to be white males from middle to upper-middle class suburban homes.
Tx Rose-
After hearing the local pitbull attack story, I don’t put much trust in either pepper spray or taser.
Used to carry pepper spray while jogging, but never had to use it. Now I will carrying a sharp pocket knife. Don’t know if I’d get involved in dog attacking someone unless it was really a vicious one. I’m sure the owners would be ready to sue. And it isn’t just the pitbulls- some of those Rottweilers are scary too. I’ve had Dobermans who were playful, but seem to frighten many people. I realize that they can turn on you and rip your throat out. I was accosted the other day by two Chihuahuas on the loose, but managed to survive intact .
And as far as racial profiling goes, there are people who are ignorant of local threats. Tourists have gotten off of I-95 in South Fla. and been homicide victims in places like Liberty City.
And I recall that skinheads were a threat in Allentown, Pa. area. So it can be Caucasian scum also. My personal opinion is that LBJ’s war on Poverty created a permanent welfare class addicted to the dole and with a sense of entitlement. Liberals love that behavior and keeping people forever dependent on their largess. Why is it that those who can afford children the least, think they have the right to pop out large numbers of rugrats? Why can’t we sterilize the men and women who abrogate their parental responsibilities? I know I’m just dreaming. The so-called “poor” Palis, as an example, sure are good at breeding future suicide bombers.
#287 Pierre. TY LOL. You I’m so over being called a racist. I will read what you posted not familiar.
purplepeep
sorta yes. I sure do wish NY respected the 2nd amendment, remember the P.R. day riots (not committed by Latins mind you)…
but size matters, & less able you are to defend your self the better the chance you will have to…
Erv,
Clean up on aisle 144
Disgusting
There are some Mobys in these waters. Time methinks for the Skipper and First Matey to toss some bottom feeders overboard for the good of the blog.
I just read the baltimoresun.com article.
There is no mention of the race of the victim or the assailants. That would be one thing if that was the way it was always handled, but it isn’t. In fact it should be stated when the event has a likelihood of a racial component.
The parents are already blaming the victim. Supposedly, for spitting on them. Of course spitting is justification for my kid trying to kill you. I doubt there was any spitting or provocation but, you know the lies are coming. These kids are just chips off the old block. I regret the racial statements this provokes, but these assailants and their defenders are responsible for that too, because they are the model for the stereotypes we hate. Same with Islam and terrorism. The perpetrators are responsible for the hateful stereotypes not the people who adopt them as a shortcut to getting every fact right before forming an opinion. Same with white people not dancing so well. Guilty.
You are correct, this is getting tedious. We never said we didn’t find that data. We never said that data wasn’t accurate. YOU pulled a generalization about crime stats out of your blowhole that has NOTHING to do with the thread and DEMANDED repeatedly that we discuss it. I requested that you read the earlier posts, review the data that is under discussion, and offer your opinion based on that data. The only conclusions I drew about any crime stats were that I had reviewed the stats under discussion and was not able to find any glaring inaccuracies in a sampling of the original source.
Your refusals lead me to believe that you are pulling stuff out of your blowhole, showed up with an agenda and a conclusion, and are trying to bait other commenters into a “gotcha” moment. I suspected that there is a bridge somewhere calling your name and now that you have confirmed that suspicion I refuse to indulge you any further.
mpchops your post #277. You said;
“On December 6th, 2007 at 8:56 pm, mpChops said:
Xler8bmw,
Statistics do not exist in a vacuum. Statistics are used to prove something. You were using the statistics you provided to prove something. I provided a statistic that you have probably found in your research, and I am asking you to determine what it proves.
Whites commit more crimes against whites than any other group. What does that prove, or suggest
You’re tedious.
You’ve also, been slapped.
#304 Deep ROTFLMAO!
Gollum, we have twwo chihuahuas down the street that will shred your ankles and feet. I once knew a
Dobie that would go tummy up every time I saw her.
Did love those tummy rubs. Someone threatened her
little girl and she went for his, ahem. She wasn’t trained to go for the throat. He now sings soprano
but he didn’t get his hands on Lily. He was a convicted
pedophile.
Not familiar with most NY probs, Red, I’m a midwesterner. Have a nephew with NYPD, though, he used to work Brooklyn in fact. Don’t know if he’s still there or another borough these days.
There’s sure some great old brownstones in your neck of the woods.
txrose So true I grew up with dobes and actually my childhood dog Lisha allowed someone to burgularize our house. Meanwhile oneday the neighbor had a Cockapoo who bit the mailman and he was worried about Lisha.
So basically, this stat:
is relevant to the thread, but whites commiting more crimes against whites is not relevant?
And this fact,
, how is this stat relevant to the thread?
Or are we simply listing random stats to get up the response count?
Take your hat off when you envoke Bernard Goetz, mister.
Deepdiver,
And to be intellectually honest, you interjected yourself into a question I asked of xler8bmw. So basically, you injected yourself only to say that you aren’t going to respond? What exactly was your point in doing so?
MM I’m so sorry apologies in advance. mpchops you’re a moron. I never said whites commit more crimes against whites and have not only proven I never said it, others here have proven I never said it. Please see a specialist about you’re obvious dyslexia problem that you keep saying something was said that never was. So STFU and go away you’re dismissed.
The fact that the stats show that blacks are ALOT more likely than whites to commit murder and mayhem bears directly on this thread. Had that woman been on a bus full of white kids she would have had a lot better odds of not being attacked. Seems relevent.
Wow…Over 300 postings…one might get the impression that race-related crime issues is an important topic. How come the presidential candidates don’t spend more time addressing it?
This I promise:
I will never post on this website again if you can find this one thing. Find where I said you offered the statistics about the white on white crime?
For that matter had she been on a bus full of Asian kids she would have been even safer than being on a bus full of white kids…and while we are at it. Had she been on a bus full of European Jews she would have been even less likely. Statistics suck eh?
Wow…Over 300 postings…one might get the impression that race-related crime issues is an important topic. How come the presidential candidates don’t spend more time addressing it?
Because those useless sh’ts were the ones who enabled all this nonsense.
Oops sorry the vulgarity was not supposed to stay.
Oh, I did, Red.
He should be training transit cops, at the least.
PierreLegrand,
True. But given the facts that whites are much more common in this country, it’s common sense that they are going to be the most victimized the most. That’s obvious.
For example, if there is one women in a town full of 100 men and this women was a criminal, the men would be the ones that are victims. Can we conclude that the women is targeting men?
Try that when I’m riding the bus and you’ll get a lead sandwich.
Please read #277 your post!
On December 6th, 2007 at 8:56 pm, mpChops said:
Xler8bmw,
Statistics do not exist in a vacuum. Statistics are used to prove something. You were using the statistics you provided to prove something. I provided a statistic that you have probably found in your research, and I am asking you to determine what it proves.
Whites commit more crimes against whites than any other group. What does that prove, or suggest?
Nice knowing glad you won’t post here any longer!
OK, enough of this… who wants to nuke Iran?
And if she were black, would she be in the most danger on a bus with black kids, white kids, asain kids, or European Jews?
C’mon now Pierre, don’t be hatin’! Uh, I don’t think they are the ones responsible for enabling hatred to foment over the last decades. Blame liberal PC morons who don’t have a clue. Those are the ones we see in the media, and who teach our children in public schools. How many of use had to re-teach our children basic principles of common decency?
GollumClone, are you the Gollum that won the
Outside The Beltway caption contest?
#325 I do I do!
Who is driving?
Xler8bmw,
Are you serious. Reread what I said.
Again:
“I” is the operative term. In the next paragraph, I just repeat the statistic.
#331 mpchops yes I’m serrious you said I said “Whites commit more crimes against whites than any other group. What does that prove, or suggest?”
I didn’t say that…..you said I said that.
They don’t suck at all. From my recollection of the stats, everything you have said is true. Every race, religion, creed and culture have scumbags and criminals at varying rates.
It is not going to help to have the liberal MSM playing
the race card every chance they get. Had this been a
black girl beaten by either White or Hispanic kids, we
would be hearing rabid Reverends and Rangel, etc all
over the media, screaming for blood.
Since Sarah is White, things are not going to work that
way. It’s going to be that the poor little mob is being
victimized and the mean white girl just kept slamming
herself into their fists and perhaps even their feet.
For Shame!!!!
It’s simple. Simply prove where I said that you said it, and I will apologize and never post again.
Although I think it’s only fair if you are unable to do so, you stop telling that lie.
Black on Black crime is through the roof. That is a simple question…did you really not know the answer? Cause if you truly didn’t know the answer then you really need to back away from this thread and do some reading.
right_on
This is not about hatred this is about simple statistics. Blacks are 6 times more likely to die from a homicide than whites and they are 7 times more likely to commit those murders. This is not rocket science…
mpchops and if like the oter adults on the board and you were inteligent enough to keep up with the thread you would see I provide accurate and intelligent stats unlike yourself. Also, deep and pierre have substantiated the stats as being factual. So it isn’t I it a team that proved you wrong.
nuff said.
It was Michelle Malkin that brought up the racial aspect of this incident, as it was being reported.
My head hurts after reading all of these posts. I’m very disappointed in some of our visiting bigots. Hopefully, they’ll go the way of the dinosaurs.
xler8bmw, what mchops is getting at is that you did not mention that white commit white on white crime more often than blacks commit black-on-white crime. I think that he is trying to demonstrate that the crime patterns fit a target-of-opportunity model and do not necessarily indicate that targets are picked due to racial prejudice.
Mchops,
it might help if you stated why that particular statistic is important, instead of merely hinting at something. Frankly, I don’t see why it is relevant to an argument about interracial crime and the disproportionate share of crime committed by blacks in relation to their percentage of the populations. Could you elaborate?
I hate to come across as superior, but it looks to me like you are arguing about different things, and you are not reading each other carefully enough to catch on to that fact.
deepdiver
Yup and the question before us is why do those rates vary. Watson understood why but we were not ready to hear that answer. A great man was shamed into silence when he spoke the truth. I have a deep anger about that terrible tragedy.
#OMG you can’t can’t be this dense. Let me repost your post.
On December 6th, 2007 at 8:56 pm, mpChops said:
Xler8bmw,
Statistics do not exist in a vacuum. Statistics are used to prove something. You were using the statistics you provided to prove something. I provided a statistic that you have probably found in your research, and I am asking you to determine what it proves.
Whites commit more crimes against whites than any other group. What does that prove, or suggest?
You really shouldn’t be wasting you time here posting with adults. You should be studying for your GED. Much better time spent for you I would think.
Fine.
So you must agree that the race of the victim had little importance in this situation, contrary to what other posters have suggested.
Perhaps the problem is that if the students on the bus were Asian or Jewish everyone would half expect someone to indicate that they are expected to get up and offer a Lady a seat. At least that was true within memory. For the students on the bus in Baltimore that expectation and the courage to communicate it may have ended three or more generations ago.
My head hurts after reading all of these posts. I’m very disappointed in some of our visiting bigots. Hopefully, they’ll go the way of the dinosaurs.
No instead what will happen is that “they” will get increasingly angry about the fact that statistics are being ignored and more angry about their families being in danger because of this wilful ignorance and finally will do radical things to rectify the situation.
I hope and pray that it does not come to that but ignorance of the matter does not improve matters.
Grey you’re correct TY. But, the statistics didn’t find that in it’s original stats. I will be happy to elaborate when I find the information.
Free and others
Good comments, gang. Freebie, the pit bull was originally bred and called the butchers dog. Its job was to go into the pen and grab the bull by the nose as that would stop it. The butcher would then bleed the bull. Hence the pit was afraid of nothing. However any pit that even showed hostility toward humans was immediatley put down(killed).
Does anyone see a pattern in this mob behavior? It seems to me that 2/1, 6/1 7/1, now 9/1 is beginning to see just where if anywhere the boundary is to be set.
On December 6th, 2007 at 5:41 pm, feebiebabe said:
#131 -
Info is easily available.
Please cite your source.
Thank you
World Almanac, Time Magazine. But all you had to do was Google it. Give it a try sometime. You might learn something.
Grey. The only stats on white on whte crime has to do with white collar crime completely out of the scope of what is on the board.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/whitecollarforweb.pdf
There’s just a ton of irony in that post.
I don’t think the her race had anything to do with it. I
think that her age and looks and the fact that she is a
female were more important. I think, as I stated that
there was a problem with one of the girls that she did
not know about. When she got on the bus, one of the
boys may have made a remark that one of his female
friends resented, about Sarah. Or, she may have had a
look on her face that someone decided needed to be
wiped off her face, or she may have just been in the
wrong place at the wrong time.
It takes so little to set some young people off these
days. (And, no, I’m not talking color..I’m talking age).
I agree. I was trying to sell the idea rather than just tell the idea.
I must take issue with one thing that you wrote though. You conflate two seperate arguments. Interrical crime, being one, and the proportion of crime commited by blacks in general.
It’s the conflation of the two that I’m trying to argue against. By that, I mean that the rate of crime of blacks against whites is going to be more than whites against blacks simply because of their relative proportions in the population.
That’s relatively independent to the fact that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate.
Rich with it.
Pierre, I’m not sure if you took the time to read some of the above posts, such as #26 & #144, but I don’t think they are interested in statistics.
The only ignorance is that which is displayed in their disgusting comments.
I certainly do not agree with that since it is also a matter of fact that blacks are being taught all the time that it is ok to hate whites. We are teaching them as well as the thugs that produce that trash that masquerades as music. To see a culture that produced Jazz and Blues corrupted by the insanity that they are being driven into breaks my heart.
So no it mattered very much that she was white.
Mookie sounds like that’s a big word for you to understand. No irony in the post. But, thanks for playing!
There are no ‘parents’ there haven’t been any ‘parents’ since 1964. The communist state was designated as parents since God was taken out of our schools.
PierreLegrand,
Ah, but here you leave stats behind.
You agreed that if regardless of her race, she would have been more danger with the black kids. Furthermore, since blacks commit crimes against blacks at a higher rate than blacks commit crimes against whites, how can you conclude that it would matter if she was white? At the very minimum, she would have been more more danger if she were black, if we just looked at the statistics.
Puhiawa,
standard debate protocol is that those who make a statement must provide they evidence, unless it is common knowledge. I am afraid that “go google it” is not an acceptable response, however popular it seems to be on the web.
To put my money where my mouth is, I note that this behavior is called “the fallacy of the presumptive proof” by David Hackett Fischer in his book Historian’s Fallacies .
Now with extra irony!
I do know that reverse racism is considered okay since according to the PC Rulebook, whites are
responsible for all of the ills in this country and possibly the entire world. Reverse rascism is encouraged.
It is fed and nurtured among liberals and “other” cultures.
In other words Sarah could be considered guilty just for being alive and insisting on breathing the same
air as those “poor benighted children.”
Devils. Devils.
#352 mchops,
That goes a long way towards explaining what is being argued here. Thanks.
OK, it is what is is…
the guilty should be punished SEVERLY.
can the victim be helped, even if only moral support?
Will someone be setting up a fund to help with medical costs. She may need some serious
facial reconstruction before this is over. She will also need therapy and counseling. I have
a feeling that she will be afraid of her shadow, at least for awhile, and I know that if her
face is rebuilt, it may take several surgeries.
My prayers are with her, but perhaps she will also need money.
Agreed, Brooklyn red.
Bottom line these were a bunch of young impressionable thugs who took advantage of a situation they know they would win. Either way it is wrong and they should prosecuted to every extent of the law. And their parents should be held responsible because they were minors under their jurisdiction!
I want 2 things:
1. Can we find a way to reach out to the victim(s)?
2. Can the local authorities be made to know that this can not be swept under the rug? This is some-body’s daughter & the whole country is watching!
Local tv video report on the incident.
I wonder if their parents and or friends talked about the Jena 6? I just wonder if they
thought they now have a pass when it comes to violence? That perhaps the
Reverends will march to their defense? Don’t let anyone kid you but children do hear
these sorts of things and they do take them to heart. It may not have been in their
minds when it happened, but I would bet serious money that it has been before this
happened and was in their minds afterward. It is possibly in their parents minds as I
type this.
xler8bmw, pierre…lest we not forget that the FBI (by it’s own admission – look it up if you want to) classifies Hispanics as Whites in their data. So one must come to the conclusion that the proportions of crimes committed by “Whites” is a bit…shall we say….skewed…..a tad. Which means….of course…that “whitey” actually commits even LESS crime than represented in said data.
Oh yeah…and GO OU in the Fiesta Bowl!!
Thank you for the link Comment Guy. Didn’t learn much more than we already knew but
did pick up on the very careful reporting and the emphasis on that reported spitting at
one of the kids. Even if she did spit, she didn’t deserve the beating.
Fiesta bowl? Fiesta bowl!
God help us all.
Wow…there is a great deal to get caught up on, and I have to admit, that I am not sure if I will be able to. This is going to go aaaaaaaall the way back to what Bear and I were talking about.
The real problem is, and this is one that nobody seems to want to admit, and probably because it is as far from PC as it gets, is that in all stereotypes lies a fairly decent amount of truth. The sterotypes were created from repeated actions of said groups and the cimilarities therein. Whether it be the fact that the white guy can’t dance, the way he talks, has a tight butt, to the Mexican with the wife-beater shirt, the slick-back hair, the tan pants, the black person’smoe often than not truly exceptional singing skill (let’s face it, if you are going to have a stereotype…)
So when it come dow to the crime rates and statistics, why people feel the way they do, well it comes from what they see on television. It is on the evening news, on COPS, on music videos, on record covers, in movies, in TV shows. It is in the clothing that people wear. You can scream from the tallest building till you are blue in your face how people should not judge someone to be a criminal or a drug addict or a gang banger just based on what they are wearing, but that isn’t going to stop people from doing it. If you look like a duck and walk like a duck and quack like a duck…
If you want to be respected, you do not demand respect, nor do you expect respect. You earn respect and you do so by presenting yourself in a respectful manner.
How do people know about these areas without going there first? From word of mouth. From police logs. All they have to do is drive by and see people standing on the street corner eye f*****g them as they drive by to know they shouldn’t even drive through there let alone get out. Cops have stopped me in certain neighborhoods as well, being as how I didn’t belong there. There are neighborhoods where they know each and every person that lives there. Anything out of place in the slightest and they move. Thise are great areas, but unfortunately they are few and far between. Then there are the areas where the cops need back-up just to go for coffee.
It is ingrained from the parents to treat people and law enforcement that way. They tell their kids that everything is someone elses fault and they breed the hate in no more different a way than the Klan does. Only difference is that when anyone else acts out it is celebrated as “Deflating racial tension that has been building up”, but when the Klan does it, (and I am in NO way defending the Klan as I hope you all know) it is despicable and a race crime.
I don’t know how many of you remember the riots of two years ago in Ohio when the Klan was to march there. Instead, the Black community turned it into an excuse to burn, loot and riot, terrorizing neighborhoods and looting from homes and stores of whites while chanting about how they needed to “Stop the Hate” and how evil the Klan and Whitey was. Nothing was done except to lay all the blame for this event and the riot on the 12 Klan members who eventually did march, without event.
You are welcome TXROSE.
Some have been critical in this thread of sites being linked that drew conclusions from the government statistics.
After some generalizations were made I linked myself one of those sites just finding one by a google search.
Then I provided links to the original source data.
I only provided the links to put relative values on the situation rather than generalizations.
Please feel free to follow my links to the source docs that have all sorts of tables and graphs and draw your own conclusions.
The new item I heard in the video is they are still looking for another suspect and there is in fact a video tape available for review which I am sure will become evidence of the crime in any court case.
Personally, I think Heinlein had the right idea.
Don’t want to have kids committing crimes?
Kid commits a crime – Flog him in the public square. He’s under 18, flog his parents as well.
Once your kid gets you flogged once or twice, I’m thinking you’ll start to care.
I know that if they have payment to the victim in MD and they make those parents pay for
what their children do, perhaps the parents will make them straighten up but more than
likely, they’ll just blame it on everyone and everything except the children.
CommentGuy #153 & #181
Thanks for the links, but did you actually look at the reports yourself?
The 2002 FBI report “Known Offender’s Race by Bias Motivation 2003″ says:
Anti-white…Known Offender’s Race…Black: 497
Anti-Black…Known Offender’s Race…White: 1,689
I’m not sure where you got your numbers. There were only 8,832 “hate crimes” in the whole table, don’t know how you got 2 million out of that. But I think I understnad, bigotry blinds, you know.
Relax brooklyn red, there’s no need to plead to the holy father. I have given a shout out to OU in a lot of different posts here. Obviously you haven’t seen any of these prior posts. It does not mean I am in any way indifferent to the plight of the victim of this case or any other brutal crime for that matter.
Why did these kids brutally beat a woman because she wanted a place to sit down?
More to the point, they didn’t wake up one day with the attitude it takes to perform such a violent act.
The families and culture of these kids had to have nurtured the associated hate it took to act this way.
That is, after negating that they didn’t already know right from wrong.
How likely is that?
I got the quote of the original site I linked.
They had a badly worded quote where they for part used w/b hate crimes and all b/w crimes.
They were comparing apples and oranges.
And now we’ve come around to the crux of the whole incident. Lack of responsibility. In the first reports, a couple of the parents were quoted making excuses for their children’s behavior. ” She spit on them”,” He drew a knife.” Now I wasn’t there, so I can’t make a judgement, but I know that if my child was involved, my first reaction wouldn’t be to blame the other party first. But then I’m from a generation that wouldn’t dare go home with sob stories about the teachers, I’d get punished again for being punished by the teacher.
I’m with you flmom, We were a no excuses family. If one of us did something wrong, we’d
better plan on telling the truth and taking responsibility. We raised our sons the same way.
They were told that there was nothing they could do that would cause us to no longer love
them, but we wouldn’t tolerate their not taking responsibility for their own actions.
I doubt that is what is going on here. We’ll probably hear several more excuses before this
is over.
The parents will never own up to their responsibility in this mess. If not for lack of teaching
by their parents these kids would have been less likely to have acted this way. I still say that
it is because these children are not grounded. They have nothing to hang onto. They don’t
know how to make correct choices, or to control themselves.
TXRose
You and I are cut from the same cloth. Exactly how I’ve raised my 4 children. If you asked any of them today what their mom’s favorite phrase is, it would be “no excuses, I don’t want to hear them”
Being that Sarah is white bread it is a unfortunate episode rather than a hate crime. She did not understand the privileged sub-culture who’s space she had violated. One should not be upset that she was beaten by nine individuals but rather one must understand the parameters of a level playing field. She will not be getting Jena 6 caliber money because what happened was her fault (she may have been carrying a concealed noose).
CommentGuy #382
So, in other words…you were wrong. It’s big of you to (kinda) say it.
Yet you believed this amazingly obvious falsehood (2 million hate crimes) and not only believed it, but spread it around to reinforce other people’s stereotypes. Nice. Ever think of working for TNR? (I kid because I love).
I leave for a few hours and this place turns into a racist swamp. There are more mis-understood & questionable statistics flying around here than embers at a cross-burning.
First, as someone said earlier, you can make numbers say anything.
Second, “black vs. white” and “white vs. black” stats are meaningless in America. You see, we in America still subscribe to the “one drop” rule that was handed down to us from our lil’ ol’ ancestors in the slaveholding South.
If you are 1/2 white and 1/2 black then the government considers you black.
1/2 Asian + 1/2 Black = 1 Black
1/2 Northern European + 1/4 Asian + 1/4 Black = 1 Black
1/4 Latino + 1/4 Asian + 1/4 Indian + 1/4 Black = 1 Black
That is what it will say on birth certificates and (more likely than not) on police reports. That is what will be recorded in these reports and that is what will be jumped on by people who otherwise don’t trust the government at all.
No I did not make a judgment value on the quote at the time, I was just pasting something I thought was relevant to the issue.
Only after all the many comments here did I go back to review the original quote and noted the difference.
If I made any similar error conclusion later in the thread please remember that would be based on before in depth review of the original quote.
29victor~
What the heck are you talking about? A girl I went to high school with I thought was Hispanic until I learned her dad was black and her mom was white. I remember in junior high, we had to fill out some demographic information for something (have no recollection of what), and bi-racial kids were told to put whatever race their father was. If someone with “one drop” of black ancestry doesn’t “look” black, doesn’t self-identify as black, and commits a crime, how the he|| does that person end up as black in the resulting statistics? Please explain that one to me, because I’d really like to know.
The ‘Justice Brothers’ will be there claiming that Sarah Krieger was carrying a noose.
flmom
Amen. The parents showed their true colors. This always seems to happen in incidents like this, or when a cop shoots a kid and the parents can’t believe that the kid was doing what the cop said that they were (and then sue the cop).
It almost makes you feel sorry for the kid (almost). I mean, what chance do they have with parents like that?
Honor, compassion, responsibility and honesty have to be taught, but who is teaching them? How can someone teach them when they have never been taught those things themselves? And then generation after generation perpetuate the cycle. And prominent religious leaders, who could step in an break the cycle, instead of using these tragedies as a warning to others, make excuses for the criminals, absolve the guilty of all responsibility and blame the victims.
IMHO, it all comes down to one word folks….accountability.
Miss Ladybug #389
The “one drop rule” is a part of American history and current culture.
I mean that most people in America with even 1/4 black in them self-identify as black. I mean that birth-certificates will say “black” on them if the kid is even a little black.
I have friends that look Hawiian. They are 1/2 White, 1/4 Asian and 1/4 black. The State says that they are “black.”
It really doesn’t matter how they “self-identify” anyway. It matters what the state says.
Heck, Ward Churchill thinks he’s an Indian.
CommentGuy #388
Lol
. Nothing like injecting false statistics into a discussion to help move it along.
And then when I challenged your “facts” you over-linked them (but never checked them) to prove your point. Hmmmm.
Hoisted by your own petard friend.
Heinlein had a lot of interesting ideas. I always personally like the public service = citizanship thing myself. But that tends to get me into alot of trouble.
As far as the flogging thing goes. I expect you would see hundreds of kids being turned over to foster care in a flash.
And frankly…with as screwed up as our justice system is… I’m not sure I’d blame them. Sure the Bmore9 committed obvious crimes here. And they certainly deserve an a$$ kicking. But what about that 6 yo boy that just got arrested for telling a fellow kindergartener that he had a bomb in his backpack.
Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence…
Are we all willing to take a flogging over sheer PC stupidity?
I differ in that I did not KNOWINGLY put in a false piece of data, I was only trying to add proportion to the data available.
I also disclosed the issue with the original quote when I reviewed it later.
Subtle I know but it is a relevant difference.
For example (see above) Halle Berry was praised as one of the few black women to every receive an Academy Award, yet her mother who raised her was white and I very much doubt that her father was of %100 African descent (but I could be wrong there).
And what a breakthrough it was for Tiger Woods to become the first black man to win the PGA Championship. But wait, Tiger’s dad is only %50 African, the rest is Chinese, American Indian. Tiger’s mom is Thai, Chinese and Dutch.
So, technically, Tiger is more Asian than anything (he doesn’t “self-identify” as anything). But that’s not how the world sees him, that’s not how the MSM sees him, they see him as “black.” I have no idea what his birth-certificate says or what he would be called if he commited a “hate crime” but I can guess.
And Tiger is a good example of why the statistics for “hate crimes” cited above are meaningless in modern America (like I said before).