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		<title>By: Barack Obama, Arne Duncan, and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Go to Washington &#171; Jane Q. Republican</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/07/everyday-math-junk/comment-page-1/#comment-572880</link>
		<dc:creator>Barack Obama, Arne Duncan, and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Go to Washington &#171; Jane Q. Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] add one more dot: University of Chicago Everyday Math. It’s the favored curriculum of Arne Duncan’s schools. It’s the corruption of math [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DaveC</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/07/everyday-math-junk/comment-page-1/#comment-192261</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure this isn&#039;t what Roger Waters had in mind but when I picture public schools today, I see the movie, &#039;Pink Floyd; The Wall&#039; with &#039;Another Brick in the Wall, Part II&#039; and all the kids falling into the  meat grinder..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure this isn&#8217;t what Roger Waters had in mind but when I picture public schools today, I see the movie, &#8216;Pink Floyd; The Wall&#8217; with &#8216;Another Brick in the Wall, Part II&#8217; and all the kids falling into the  meat grinder..</p>
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		<title>By: JohnHolliday</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/07/everyday-math-junk/comment-page-1/#comment-191593</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnHolliday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious that the schools do not want to teach our children academics. That might make them intelligent enough to see the world rationally. The schools would rather teach the children liberal, socialist, activist, &quot;morals.&quot; This gives them the brain-dead drones they crave today and the people that will need gov&#039;t aid tomorrow.

The majority of Americans think the schools should teach academics and the parents should teach morals. Unfortunately, it&#039;s interesting that we pay taxes to have it the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious that the schools do not want to teach our children academics. That might make them intelligent enough to see the world rationally. The schools would rather teach the children liberal, socialist, activist, &#8220;morals.&#8221; This gives them the brain-dead drones they crave today and the people that will need gov&#8217;t aid tomorrow.</p>
<p>The majority of Americans think the schools should teach academics and the parents should teach morals. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s interesting that we pay taxes to have it the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Most Certainly Not</title>
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		<dc:creator>Most Certainly Not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Trying to Slip One Past Me...&lt;/strong&gt;

I pay scrupulous attention to what my daughter learns in school. I keep tabs on textbooks, homework assignments, skills requirements, curricular objectives and the like. The problem, I believe, is that my non-Mom brain is having trouble keeping my Mom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Trying to Slip One Past Me&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I pay scrupulous attention to what my daughter learns in school. I keep tabs on textbooks, homework assignments, skills requirements, curricular objectives and the like. The problem, I believe, is that my non-Mom brain is having trouble keeping my Mom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Russ N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JenMom #38 - it has gone very, very, VERY well.  One of our children was a C and D student in the public school; he is now an A and B student.

There are lots of things we still don&#039;t know we don&#039;t know, but the ability to have our kids stay on a subject until they get it and having our evenings free of homework: priceless.

My wife gets the kudos - she does the teaching.  The history lesson the other day morphed into a discussion on mountains which morphed into a discussion on plate tectonics! :-) But she had a blast and the way she described all the stuff clicking in the minds of our kids: more priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JenMom #38 &#8211; it has gone very, very, VERY well.  One of our children was a C and D student in the public school; he is now an A and B student.</p>
<p>There are lots of things we still don&#8217;t know we don&#8217;t know, but the ability to have our kids stay on a subject until they get it and having our evenings free of homework: priceless.</p>
<p>My wife gets the kudos &#8211; she does the teaching.  The history lesson the other day morphed into a discussion on mountains which morphed into a discussion on plate tectonics! <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  But she had a blast and the way she described all the stuff clicking in the minds of our kids: more priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: jenmom</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/07/everyday-math-junk/comment-page-1/#comment-191100</link>
		<dc:creator>jenmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saxon Math is what we&#039;ll use. They taught it at the private school my girls went to and my oldest really did well in math.

As for criticism of our decision to homeschool, the only people who are against it are our parents. Whenever I share with anyone around here (we are in Oklahoma) that we are homeschooling, I hear only positive things. I think that is because this is such a supportive state for homeschooling and so many people do it that it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saxon Math is what we&#8217;ll use. They taught it at the private school my girls went to and my oldest really did well in math.</p>
<p>As for criticism of our decision to homeschool, the only people who are against it are our parents. Whenever I share with anyone around here (we are in Oklahoma) that we are homeschooling, I hear only positive things. I think that is because this is such a supportive state for homeschooling and so many people do it that it.</p>
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		<title>By: blues</title>
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		<dc:creator>blues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 09:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the he** did that quote at the end of the post mean?No wonder the kids aren&#039;t learning anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the he** did that quote at the end of the post mean?No wonder the kids aren&#8217;t learning anything.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t this done in the movie musical, &#039;The Music Man&#039; with Robert Preston? 

this think and play method on teaching the band to play the instruments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t this done in the movie musical, &#8216;The Music Man&#8217; with Robert Preston? </p>
<p>this think and play method on teaching the band to play the instruments?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveC</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/07/everyday-math-junk/comment-page-1/#comment-190966</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if anyone questions you about &#039;socialization&#039; of your kids, remember how many situations in your life are you among 30 or so of your age group.  

you can say back,
 1.)  My kids will be among a more diverse age group.. and diversity is good for them.

 2.) Have you really seen the public schools?  They Suck.  

 3.) I would have put them in private schools to get good education but I had  no vouchers.  (so they get a better education at home  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if anyone questions you about &#8217;socialization&#8217; of your kids, remember how many situations in your life are you among 30 or so of your age group.  </p>
<p>you can say back,<br />
 1.)  My kids will be among a more diverse age group.. and diversity is good for them.</p>
<p> 2.) Have you really seen the public schools?  They Suck.  </p>
<p> 3.) I would have put them in private schools to get good education but I had  no vouchers.  (so they get a better education at home  <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DaveC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ N and JenMom.. 

Congrats on Home schooling..

Saxon Math is what you want for teaching Math..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ N and JenMom.. </p>
<p>Congrats on Home schooling..</p>
<p>Saxon Math is what you want for teaching Math..</p>
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		<title>By: jenmom</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/07/everyday-math-junk/comment-page-1/#comment-190963</link>
		<dc:creator>jenmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks 29Victor #39 - I appreciate the words of encouragement! I know it won&#039;t be easy but I am looking forward to it. Yes, people may think we are nuts and I know of many moms who think there is something wrong with me for wanting to be with my 7, 5 and 3 year old all day. But that&#039;s ok - I&#039;ll gladly do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks 29Victor #39 &#8211; I appreciate the words of encouragement! I know it won&#8217;t be easy but I am looking forward to it. Yes, people may think we are nuts and I know of many moms who think there is something wrong with me for wanting to be with my 7, 5 and 3 year old all day. But that&#8217;s ok &#8211; I&#8217;ll gladly do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin K.</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/07/everyday-math-junk/comment-page-1/#comment-190954</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graysonret and Don Miguel (#s 32 and 33)--  I, too, remember slide rules.  I still have a couple where I can find them, although I majored in something other than engineering (differential equations did me in).  At the time Alexandria, Virginia, taught slide rule for multiplication in the 7th grade (self-paced learning, one could learn division if one were fast enough), and then there were questions on every math test after that that had to be done with the slide rule.

I changed schools systems and took a one quarter long slide rule class in 8th grade to learn more than the C and D scales.  I was able to use the slide rule in my 9th grade science class as it was a skilled that we learned.  Calculators, which were very new, were forbidden as &quot;any fool can punch buttons&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graysonret and Don Miguel (#s 32 and 33)&#8211;  I, too, remember slide rules.  I still have a couple where I can find them, although I majored in something other than engineering (differential equations did me in).  At the time Alexandria, Virginia, taught slide rule for multiplication in the 7th grade (self-paced learning, one could learn division if one were fast enough), and then there were questions on every math test after that that had to be done with the slide rule.</p>
<p>I changed schools systems and took a one quarter long slide rule class in 8th grade to learn more than the C and D scales.  I was able to use the slide rule in my 9th grade science class as it was a skilled that we learned.  Calculators, which were very new, were forbidden as &#8220;any fool can punch buttons&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: old trooper</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/07/everyday-math-junk/comment-page-1/#comment-190906</link>
		<dc:creator>old trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When teachers get lazy or could not pass the exams on the subject, they come up with a dumbed down version of the subject, lobby through the NEA to get the State to buy off on it, State standards change and BINGO!

State Test scores go up and SAT scores circle the bowl!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When teachers get lazy or could not pass the exams on the subject, they come up with a dumbed down version of the subject, lobby through the NEA to get the State to buy off on it, State standards change and BINGO!</p>
<p>State Test scores go up and SAT scores circle the bowl!</p>
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		<title>By: 29Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>29Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jenmom #38
Sorry to butt in, but I wanted to congratulate you and Russ N on your decisions to home school.  It&#039;s not the easiest thing in the world, and some in society will think your nuts/crazy/stupid because you want to educate your kids and spend the whole day with them (?!?).

Our key to getting things going smoothly was to get a good curriculum, we use k12.com.  Another thing that can help is getting involved in a local home school co-op (but, be warned, some home schoolers are weird).

It&#039;s a lot of work, but the rewards for you and your kids are priceless.  I teach my boys (8 &amp; 9) science and history and my wife takes care of reading and math.  I got to teach my kids about the rise and fall of Rome.  I got to teach them about the birth and rise of Islam (from daddy&#039;s perspective).  We can now discuss the Renaissance, the discovery of the New World, magnetism, human migration, the weather, electronics, human motivation for exploration and conquest (mostly money &amp; land) and tons of other stuff.

They learn what we think is important and what we believe will serve them best in life and they now know &amp; understand things at 8 &amp; 9 that their Jr. High and High School friends don&#039;t know yet.

I got to sit with my 9 year old last year while he figured out how to calculate the area of a right triangle.  He knew how to figure the area of a square and so we set the triangle up as a kind of puzzle for him.  I could see his little brain working on it and the moment he figured it out you could tell as the comprehension spread across his face.  Now, instead of feeling stupid about math, he sees math as a puzzle to be solved and knows that he is capable of doing it.  I suppose that any parent who helped their kid with his homework could experience this, but we get to see it all the time.

As the public schools continue to fail our kids more and more of us are picking up the mantle of home schooler.  Congratulations again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jenmom #38<br />
Sorry to butt in, but I wanted to congratulate you and Russ N on your decisions to home school.  It&#8217;s not the easiest thing in the world, and some in society will think your nuts/crazy/stupid because you want to educate your kids and spend the whole day with them (?!?).</p>
<p>Our key to getting things going smoothly was to get a good curriculum, we use k12.com.  Another thing that can help is getting involved in a local home school co-op (but, be warned, some home schoolers are weird).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lot of work, but the rewards for you and your kids are priceless.  I teach my boys (8 &amp; 9) science and history and my wife takes care of reading and math.  I got to teach my kids about the rise and fall of Rome.  I got to teach them about the birth and rise of Islam (from daddy&#8217;s perspective).  We can now discuss the Renaissance, the discovery of the New World, magnetism, human migration, the weather, electronics, human motivation for exploration and conquest (mostly money &amp; land) and tons of other stuff.</p>
<p>They learn what we think is important and what we believe will serve them best in life and they now know &amp; understand things at 8 &amp; 9 that their Jr. High and High School friends don&#8217;t know yet.</p>
<p>I got to sit with my 9 year old last year while he figured out how to calculate the area of a right triangle.  He knew how to figure the area of a square and so we set the triangle up as a kind of puzzle for him.  I could see his little brain working on it and the moment he figured it out you could tell as the comprehension spread across his face.  Now, instead of feeling stupid about math, he sees math as a puzzle to be solved and knows that he is capable of doing it.  I suppose that any parent who helped their kid with his homework could experience this, but we get to see it all the time.</p>
<p>As the public schools continue to fail our kids more and more of us are picking up the mantle of home schooler.  Congratulations again.</p>
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		<title>By: jenmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ N #35 - how is homeschooling going? We start up in January after we withdraw our girls from the public school they are in.

I read that the state of Texas is saying no to Everyday Math. The state board of education voted to end funding for the purchase of Everyday Math materials in the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ N #35 &#8211; how is homeschooling going? We start up in January after we withdraw our girls from the public school they are in.</p>
<p>I read that the state of Texas is saying no to Everyday Math. The state board of education voted to end funding for the purchase of Everyday Math materials in the state.</p>
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