Not all racial epithets are equal
Several firefighters e-mailed me about this incident in Boston. When is a racial “hate crime” not a hate crime? You know the answer:
A Boston firefighter is mending from what could have been deadly stab wounds he suffered early yesterday morning when he was allegedly jumped in East Boston while off duty by a group of Hispanic males who told him they “don’t want any gringo here.”
Though police are not classifying the incident as racially fueled, the Boston Police Department’s Community Disorders Unit is investigating. The 32-year-old jake, whose name officials were not releasing, is white.
…MacDonald said the firefighter had gone to Chivas Restaurant in Day Square to grab takeout when “six guys started exchanging words with him. He indicated he was just there to get a sandwich and that he was a firefighter. They pushed him.”
Hoping to avoid a confrontation, MacDonald said the firefighter got into his car and headed for his station for safety’s sake, but the pack followed him on foot. It was shortly before 2:45 a.m.
“As soon as he got out of his car, six guys jumped him and started kicking and punching him,” MacDonald said. “He felt two sharp pains in his chest and knew he had been stabbed.”
The firefighter works at Engine 5 on Saratoga Street.
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The skepticism I’ve heard is that it’s all a little too convenient. Why, after identifying himself as a firefighter, would six people follow him to his station house and beat him in front of it? And why didn’t any of the other fire fighters see the perps?
Why can’t you reveal what you think you know Mookie? You stated you had information about skepticism at the Police Station. Cough it up, dude.
Who is your source?
This is exactly why it shouldn’t be used.
In different dialects, words have different meanings. Best to just not use it in public, if you truly don’t know where the word is derived from.
Even if your intention is not meant to be pejorative, the consequenses of these words can land you in the “racist” or “ignorant” category pretty darn quick.
Some words, are just not a good idea to say because there are nasty people out there that mean them to be derrogatory.
Are you nuts?
Mookie – everything you’ve said is speculative. I too would like to see your source.
Are you a detective? What experience do you have to disount out of hand these allegations.
If there is proof, fine…but your argument:
…here, is pretty darn weak.
where is your source…
In the People’s Republik of Massachusetts??? The only way you’ll get a permit is if your name is “Kennedy” or you have a letter of recommendation from one.
I’m repeating what I’ve heard. How, exactly, would you like me to prove what I’ve heard? Is it speculation? Sure. But let me ask you this. Flip the roles around. Say it was a Hispanic firefighter who went into a white-owned restaurant in South Boston, was told “we don’t want no spics”, was followed by six white guys to the front of his fire station, beaten and stabbed, and no one inside the station saw or heard anything. How many people here would think that this is another fake noose case?
Too convenient? I’m unsure what you mean by this. What is the “station” saying he was aiming for? Why after an LEO identifying one’s self as a police officer would someone continue to flee or even shoot at them? And if they’re anything like our firefighters, that early in the am, unless there’s been a recent call, or on their way to one, at this time of year, they’re all inside staying warm and relaxing. Just my 2 pennies.
I’m not at all saying none of what you say is inaccurate, but I know with my station…… I’d be more inclined to believe my fellow firefighter then a bunch of rumors. That is of course there is a history of some sort with one of them. But we’re all brothers and we tend to treat other a such.
And the “bone-head comment of the day award” goes to….the Cookie-head!!! Thanks for playin, cookie.
Now…put a sock in it until you can prove what you are saying is true before you impugn the character of a FIREFIGHTER with NO PROOF!
In that case the Hispanic firefighter is still none the less my brother, and I will believe him until I was proven otherwise with FACTS. I mean damn, is he faking the stab wounds or something?
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OK, yes, I spelled Intellegent wrong above….
Two L’s please!!!
Thanks Yas.
Like I said, Feeble, we’ll see.
Oh, cookie, trust me….I cannot WAIT!!!!
Heh, I like you, you’re funny.
A mind-reader is my guess, Feebs. Or maybe we’re talking something like John Edward’s “channeling”. (either the full-time TV psychic or the crook lawyer part-time psychic)
At any rate, feelings still just don’t triump over facts.
Are you doubting the firefighter because he is white? This is great. Not only are all white
people the people in the history of this world to befoul the entire world and cause all of
the ills that have ever befallen any people on this earth, but now, we are also liars? That
is it!!!! That is the straw that broke the camel’s back (oops…is that unpc?). Only the white
firefighter is lying because he doesn’t have witnesses to back him up? Of course those 6
Hispanics are all telling the truth because they are all witnesses for each other.
Brother, I lived on the border. I know what goes on. Those punks, just like the 9 punks in
Balitmore were playing the gotcha game because there were more of them than the ONE
white victim.
Keep trying, genius.
You’ve got to be kidding me. Only on this website would someone jump to that conclusion.
Mookie – go take a nap.
BTW – at least I corrected the missing “l”.
I am still waiting your apology for your missing “cabesa”!!!!
mojojojo..
Even the jerks in Assachusetts wouldn’t let one of THE Kennedys carry a gun….they don’t like them in boats for Christs sake…
Um, Feebie? It’s “cabeza”.
Ok cookie.
Once again, I stand corrected on the spelling.
NOW, what is your excuse, for your testa dura!
Get out your old helmet Feebie, I think we’ve got a
taker.
Forgot to say I was being sarcastic.
Here’s an idea: if you’re so sure that what I’m saying is BS, stake your membership on it. I’ll put up mine.
They’re just hardworking hispanics trying to improve their lives by stabbing the gringos that Americans won’t stab.
Anyone see the irony that they said that they “don’t wnat any gringos around here” – in the United States of America?
PA-LEEZE.
See my other post: It’s only a Hate crime when an aggrieved minority is attacked, verbally or otherwise, by a white. In this case, no minority no foul.
Enough said.
WOW Feebz! I think we have a new Mr. Poop Disturber.
Mookie, you can see where she’s coming from right? I mean, you said all may not be as it seems, so obviously folks here are going to call you on it and ask for some sort of validity. Got a link to an article or something….anything? Just repeating what you’ve heard is not really all that reliable.
Mookie. I don’t contribute to the delinquency of minors (gambling)…you’ll have to find someone else to take your sucker bet….
now, go take your nap…
Mookie,
If you’re not a cop working on this case, you have zero credibility. If you are a cop working on this case you have no business leaking any information, even speculation.
I can say that because I was a real cop for a very long time. You have no right to impune the character of this victim and that is exactly what your little game is doing. Do you feel important now?
Until an investigative agency proves otherwise, this man is a victim and you have as much credibility with me as a Turkey Farmer
I can definitely see where she’s coming from. But let’s be honest, there are hundreds of posts on the site every day that contain anecdotal comments and the hues and cries for proof and evidence and links and the like are few and far between. It’s only when someone takes an opposing opinion to the groupthink that evidence is demanded.
Again, groupthink. Concerns about impuning someone’s character isn’t exactly one of this site’s strong suits.
1 adam 12 , just The Facts Mookie.
Seriously, Mookie.
Nite nite.
If it’s a “sucker’s bet”, why not take me up on it? I’ll never post on here again if I’m wrong. I’m sure that would make you happy.
Or maybe you have some doubts as well. It’s ok, Feebie. It’s ok to think for yourself.
roger the tf there, bravo – over and out.
On December 7th, 2007 at 7:43 pm, ajmontana said:
1 adam 12 , just The Facts Mookie.
And you know right where you can shove that troll food, right AJ?
Your answer is above. Mookie, put the glue down and step AWAY from your puter, brah!!!!
No minor here, Feeble.
PS. You’ll never post here again….??? Then who would we point to as the poster child of the Democratic Party….
No, you stay put. There is a method to my maaaadness……
Speculation can be worse than gossip. There are small minds that absorb only headlines and nothing else. This is what will be repeated, even if it is false. I deal with
our firehall and firefighters at times. I am telling you, that when they are asleep or
back in their dining area and kitchen and bomb could go off in the parking lot and
they could miss it. For one thing, the tv or a movie is going, and they are talking. Or,
if they are asleep, it is even more “dead” in there. So, yes, I can see how he could have
been ganged up on by these 6 people and no one in the firehall heard a thing.
I’ll wait until the entire story is out before I decide that this firefighter is lying and the
6 assailants are telling the truth.
Surely they didn’t follow him to the firehall because he forgot his change and it took all 6 of them to carry it to him.
Ya know what ole mook. Thanks for clearing up that lil misunderstanding about you being a cop.
And you really do need to quit insulting the good people on this thread.
Nitey, Nite.
Now THAT’S funny.
I suggest you look at who started the insults.
aj has left The Forum.! enjoy the weekend everyone.
bye ajers.
How ThoughFul of you!
mookie, sock…in mouth…neeeeeeeoooooooowwwwwwwwwwww.
See, Feebie, it’s contagious!
/ThoughtFul
I guess that the reason he was stabbed (twice?) was that someone wanted to stab him…
If he was a random victim or a target for some other reason is irrelevant.
A group of (six?) acted in concert, with criminal intent to commit homicide.
Life sentences are in order.
Thank you Red. I was beginning to think that Mookie
was the subject of the thread instead of the Firefighter.
Rose, since the “bus girl beating” I noticed the downward spiral…
Does any one remember when Bob Dole was running? He made one speech concerning crime where he said “It is time that we focus on the real cause of crime… the criminal”. (paraphrased)
F’in brilliant!
The true purpose of hate-crime legislation is to point out to the undereducated among us, which groups it is safe to violently hate and commit crimes against.
The unanticipated consequences of such legislation is becoming an increasingly serious social problem — which is why these laws must be repealed (but will not, of course.) The message coming out of Washington is clear: it is okay to attack whitey. Special protections will be given you if you do. You may, in fact, even get financially rewarded (e.g. the Jena 6). In any event, the punishment will be greatly reduced compared to if the crime were to be committed by the lowest subhuman — a white man.
This is a very dangerous message to broadcast and it will only be stopped when our legislators feel serious pain regarding it. They do not care what happens to the white victims, ever.
BTW, everyone should stop using the weak-kneed expression “White Male.” Refer to “White men” and “White women” only, please.
True dat…
Thank you again Red. Now back to the Firefighter. I hope that there is a trial and
that these creeps get shown for the cowards that people who only attack when they
have backup are. This is the same thing that happened in Baltimore. If any of these
attackers had been alone there could have been some mouthing off and posturing
but I doubt there would have been an attack.
Rose, it is what it is.
beenthere, Nice post. Question. Since whites are for now the majority, can’t we just say man or woman and assume white unless otherwise specified?
Or do we need to press 1 to imply white? lol
I have been informed that as of now in TX you have to press 1 to imply
white. We are now the minority.
Does that mean we can now have our own hate crime law in Texas?
No, no, y no!
I pressed one for English Red. No Spanish or Texmex please.
where did everyone go?
Maybe they are all tired out from last night. That thread went over 500 comments, though Surveyor fudged it a little.
Could be violence overload what with the mall shooting, Sarah Kreager and now
the firefighter.
Or, maybe, unlike us, they have better things to do on a Friday night.
Mookie, wrong about what?? You came in here HINTING that something was not right, you’ve given not a single specific to be “proven wrong” about.
Are you actually wondering why there are sceptical people around here??
TX Rose – if I can ask, where in Texas are you? I’m here in wonderful Texas City (about 30 minutes South on 45 from Houston). Just wondering – it’s a crazy big state!
Now I’m in the Southwestern part of Tarrant County. Have lived in Rio Grande City
in Starr County and also Wichita Falls. That’s TX. Have also lived in several cities
in Ariz and OK.
Rose was a bit of a gypsy before marrying and settling down again in Texas.
Oh, we have been known to show up at Plantersville for RenFaire, as well as
Waxahachie for Scarborough RenFaire.
You have been all over. I came down to Texas 11 years ago because of my dad’s job. Before that I was in California, Utah, and Colorado. Also spent a year up in Austin. Now I’m married to a BOI (born on the island (Galveston)). Have to say I love Texas. It’s definitely different in a good way down here!
Our youngest son and his wife live in Woodbridge, VA. He’s a pilot and gets a kick
out of telling people that if he starts out flying in Arlington, TX and flies for three
hours that he would still be in TX. If he flies for three hours out there, he’s crossing state lines.
I got tickled the other day. I wanted to buy something from a website but the site
was down so I called. When the young woman heard my last name, she wanted to
know if I knew her college roommate who is from Galveston. You can’t explain TX
to someone who is from a small state.
If you find Rio Grande City on the map, you can understand it when I say when we
were children, we used to sit and watch the illegals come across the river.
You don’t get that luxury. You do not get to choose what people get to decide makes them feel uncomfortable. We went through this with another Liberal. See, when it is something that is insulting a white guy, the Liberal excuse is “Well, what white guy would find that offensive”, or “Hey, we deserve it, after all, look at what has gone on for so long” or some other hippie feel good guilt ridden crap.
Well, how about we start saying this then: We don’t think anyone, especially blacks, should be insulted by the “N” word. After all, they call each other it all the time. Listen to a rap album, or Chris Rock, or Dave Chappelle or any other black person. There is no way they chould feign indignance with us if they do it all the time”. Or how about, “there is no way I think anyone should be insulted being called a greaser. After all, that is just a funny name. Why should they freak out about it?”
You can’t do that you sanctimonious punk. Especially, based on your color, how dare YOU decide what it is a white person has the right to get upset about.
Besides that, these people used it as a way to intimidate a fireman, and then chased him down and stabbed him as an attempt to murder him. And for what? Because he is white. Where is your Liberal outrage? You hypocrite. Nothing you say from here on out is worth reading. You have avoided other posts that have been calling for opinions, then when this one rolls around, you poke your hypocritical nose in and decide to tell white people what they can and can’t find offensive while they are being beaten and kicked and stabbed in the chest.
Look, obviously the topics covered here aare too much for you. You need things a little less stimulating. Maybe you should go and hang out at Huff Po. Perhaps you can find someone there that will agree with your hypocritical mind. Here…you just made me vomit a bit in my mouth.
MS-13
I suspect that Mookie’s actual bet was on Feebie’s double misspelling of “Intelligent.” First she spelled it “intelegent” and then came back and corrected herself by adding a second L. Looks like this tread is dead, so we will never know.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…..but they sure do LOVE ‘whitey JoeTaxpayer’s’ gringo dollas,the section 8s & all the FREE sht they can get from the honkey-guilt system of government.
Now with ‘hate’ crimes, a black or
mexican, or gays life is worth more
than a white. Anotherwords people are not treated equally. This of course is
unconstitutional, but in libtard world
it doesn’t matter anymore.
Yet someone else to impugn the name of firefighters. We would NEVER stoop so low as to risk the lives of the public in such a manner as that. How dare you or anyone suggest such a thing. When the tones go off, we get in our gear and get in our rigs and go as fast and safely as possible REGARDLESS to where and who it is. How dare you or anyone consider that we would “punish” the public for any reason. There is an oath we take, and maybe oaths don’t mean anything to most paople, but we take our jobs incredibly seriously and we take human lives very seriously. We are on duty 24 hours a day 7 days a week, 365 days a year. That means we act even when we are off duty. You tell me who does that? You? How dare you. I can guarantee you this guy will be back at work and joking around the kitchen table with the guys about it and will be going back into that same neighborhood and will eventually be saving the life of one of these punks one day and will do so with caring and with dignity and will do so with everything he has, and without any sense of malice wht-so-ever. that is what sets us apart from everyone else. That is what people like YOU don’t understand about people like us.
Did I misunderstand this? “Pu-leeze?!”
By the way, with immigration such a hot media topic, where is the SM on this story? (Rhetorical question of course)
Speaking of racial epithets, what is and what isn’t acceptable for AMERICANS to say? In a free country, with freedom of expression? I do believe there is a double standard, I collaberated on this youtube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwunTamkG7o
Mookie:
You are spreading gossip, and nothing but gossip. Just because someone is a fireman does not absolve them of any and all crime. I do not know where you came up with that idea, but when you are outnumbered 6-1, the odds are not in your favor. As for the rest of the crew not hearing you getting your ass kicked and stabbed, let me tell you, you cannot hear what is going on outsid ethe station. My house was solid brick. If the app bay was open, and we were in the day room with the TV on, the surround sound going belly up, locked and loaded in the recliners, like was already stated, a bomb could have gone off outsid eand we wouldn’t have heard it…WITH THE APP DOORS OPEN. If they were closed, even less of a chance. If they had their day room upstairs, what chance do you think there was?
When someone doesn’t knwo what the hell they are talking about, one has best to keep their mouth shut. Especially when one is attempting to bad-mouth my profession. I will take you on any day of the week. Here is one of my brothers who was stabbed by thugs for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time for being the wrong color. I don’t know who the hell you are talking to, but you should try not to talk to people that speak from the place they sit on in the future.
I don’t care what color the people are even if it is white on white crime, anyone who stabs anyone deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No one should get a harder sentence just because the victim was a certain color. To give white people a harsher punishment then you would give someone else is racism.
Aaaah, but Maxine, the people who make these laws don’t see it as racism. They see it
as letting everyone else get back at whitey for ills past and present caused by whitey.
Never mind that most of these idiots are white. They are so liberal that the main gene
in their makeup is guilt either real or just perceived, and if they feel guilty, they are
going to be magnanimous and include us in. Isn’t that just peachy?
It is wonderful to live entirely guilt free.
Of course! When the victim is white = no hate crime.
Oh, I don’t think this was ever answered. A “jake” is another term for a fireman. It is a term firemen use for each other.
It’s not Massachusetts, its Machusetts. They took the ass out of Massachusetts and sent him to Washington.