Not all racial epithets are equal
Several firefighters e-mailed me about this incident in Boston. When is a racial “hate crime” not a hate crime? You know the answer:
A Boston firefighter is mending from what could have been deadly stab wounds he suffered early yesterday morning when he was allegedly jumped in East Boston while off duty by a group of Hispanic males who told him they “don’t want any gringo here.”
Though police are not classifying the incident as racially fueled, the Boston Police Department’s Community Disorders Unit is investigating. The 32-year-old jake, whose name officials were not releasing, is white.
…MacDonald said the firefighter had gone to Chivas Restaurant in Day Square to grab takeout when “six guys started exchanging words with him. He indicated he was just there to get a sandwich and that he was a firefighter. They pushed him.”
Hoping to avoid a confrontation, MacDonald said the firefighter got into his car and headed for his station for safety’s sake, but the pack followed him on foot. It was shortly before 2:45 a.m.
“As soon as he got out of his car, six guys jumped him and started kicking and punching him,” MacDonald said. “He felt two sharp pains in his chest and knew he had been stabbed.”
The firefighter works at Engine 5 on Saratoga Street.
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You know if it was white guys jumping a hispanic that would be racial, so why isn’t this?
what’s a jake?
Blame whitey……wonder where they got that idea?
Oh ya…..concealed carry…
Don’t you know, you can’t be racist toward white people, they’re the oppressors!
What? Double standard?
Let’s do a test:
Just change the names and the place, change the “non diversity” statement ““don’t want any gringo here” to something involving the “N-word” and send the story (with sufficient simulated outrage) to Al Sharpton or Je$$e Jack$on and see what they say……
Wanna bet it becomes “racially fueled” then!
UGH - enough already. It is Friday and I am starting to feel low.
That socialist cesspool Massachusetts will have the firefighter going to diversity training….
With this type of crap going on people actually wonder why white supremiss memberships are on the rise.
Hate crime legislation is a racially motivated p.c. move to exact presumed offense for crimes commited by the agressors.
Crime is crime no matter how you look at it. These thugs ned to not only be locked up but thier immigration status checked. If legal, then they need to spend a long time behind bars. If illegal then deportation after they serve thier long sentances.
This is, as reported, definitely a hate crime and I hope it’s prosecuted as such.
Although, I must take task with the classification of the word “gringo” as a racial epithet. I don’t think anyone would be insulted being called a gringo.
But, it wouldn’t matter if the six accused said “gringo,” “whitey,” “cracker,” or any other term - pejorative or not - that denotes race. The racial aspect qualifies this as a hate crime…an attempt to terrorize someone based on the color of their skin.
Goodness, is it in the water?
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Is this a case of it’s going to get worse before it gets better?
Truly Racial
Yep 30. Is this a case of it’s going to get worse
before it gets better?If Revelation is correct.
Well, his chest did get in the way of their knives! He should learn to be more careful before spilling blood all over the tools carried by oppressed workers who are simply here to do the jobs Americans won’t do!
The goal is to have whites who are grateful when assaulted by minorities, and who beg forgiveness for past racial injustices while they are being stabbed, shot, and raped. Then and only then will diversity training and racial sensitivity courses have done their job!
Soap,
Geez…what a way to end the work day.
#8 On December 7th, 2007 at 2:45 pm, frizzbee said:
“That socialist cesspool Massachusetts will have the firefighter going to diversity training….”
I here ya.
I’m a N.H. boy.
Don’t know what came over me taking this new, better-paying (somewhat, but not by a ginormous amount) job down here in Massachusetts.
Desperately trying to get back home….
More devils.
Oh, come on. Massachusetts is great. Beautiful beaches, the “Athens of America”/”Hub of the Universe,” total sports domination, a local history unmatched anywhere in America (save for MAYBE Virginia).
I’m so happy to be a Masshole.
#14 On December 7th, 2007 at 2:56 pm, davidleerothmann said:
“The goal is to have whites who are grateful when assaulted by minorities, and who beg forgiveness for past racial injustices while they are being stabbed, shot, and raped. Then and only then will diversity training and racial sensitivity courses have done their job!”
Well stated.
Sounds an awful lot like the way Dhimmi are treated in Muslim-contolled countries.
“Hispanic” is a culture not a race. Hispanic’s fall into the same category of “white” when it comes to assigning “race.”
I would, depending on the source and context. In Mexico from a Mexican I’ve heard it used in a derogatory way, while in South America it is not derogatory.
#18 On December 7th, 2007 at 2:59 pm, Rusty said:
“Oh, come on. Massachusetts is great. Beautiful beaches, the “Athens of America”/”Hub of the Universe,” total sports domination, a local history unmatched anywhere in America (save for MAYBE Virginia).
I’m so happy to be a Masshole.”
You are quite welcome to it.
What came over me, going against the population drain from Mass. - actually moving INTO, rather than OUT FROM, this state?!
At least you don’t live in the Socialist Republik of Kalifornia like I do.
30,
It’s good news but, yep, I feel like these posts have beat the tar out of me today. Been trying to keep it light all day.
I am ready for some Friday stupid!
I’m so happy to be a Masshole.
That explains everything about this troll.
granite..
Run as fast as you can….the sun shines brighter anywhere NOT Assachusetts…
I’m a-trying!!
With respect, what is the difference between a crime and a hate crime? For some reason, people think a hate crime is WORSE? What the heck is up with that?
Attempted murder is attempted murder.
Come on! I’m agreeing with MM on this one! I’m not even stirring up trouble!
#25 On December 7th, 2007 at 3:03 pm, hatelibs said:
“‘I’m so happy to be a Masshole.’
That explains everything about this troll.”
ROFLMAO!!!
SteveM, I’ve written this what seems like a thousand times on this site and know the blowback I’ll get from the commenters, but here goes:
This firefighter was a victim of a terrible crime. But the other troublesome aspect of it is that white people will feel terrorized walking through this neighborhood now. That’s why crimes of this nature must be strongly prosecuted using hate crime legislation. Terrorizing another group is unacceptable.
Anybody here surprised that Rusty said this?
Anybody?
Anybody?
Bueller?
Anybody?
governmentdrone
I wanted to bring that up but it would be a violation of my FOMM oath - LOL!
On December 7th, 2007 at 3:00 pm, Don
True, in So. America (there is no English equivalent here for their version of Gringo) but it is a soft jab….there is little harshness to this word and is usually said in jest. (this is what my mother calls my father when he mispronounces a Spanish word - they both laugh). She does NOT do this to anyone else and does not say this in public. (Just to give this a little context).
BUT, I just think these words should be avoided all together.
If someone said GRINGO and jumped me, stabbed me….I would be pretty offended…and I would imagine, it would be a pretty derogatory statement.
#28 On December 7th, 2007 at 3:05 pm, stevem said:
“With respect, what is the difference between a crime and a hate crime? For some reason, people think a hate crime is WORSE? What the heck is up with that?
Attempted murder is attempted murder.”
Categorizing a crime as a “hate crime” is merely a mechanism for leftist, socialist, ineffectual bureaucrats to look like they’re tough, and to look like they are doing something serious and important, while they are actually doing nothing at all.
Oh, and also a way to make a political statement so as to garner and maintain support from their constituent groups.
“Hate crimes” means nothing - absolutely nothing - beyond that.
Soap:
Sorry. Never took that oath.
Glad I could be of service to you!
rusty, is right, give him a break. he was agreeing.
living here in Cali, i will tell you that La Raza means ‘The Race’. when they say ‘gringo’ they mean it in a very derogatory way. they mean it in a racist way.
i sure hope that next time there is a fire in that part of town, these guys don’t need a fireman, cause i these brave fireman may be afraid that ‘no gringos wanted here’ may interfere with them doing their jobs.
There is an oath not to respond to me? I hope you understand that this is an incredibly proud moment for me.
If someone said GRINGO and jumped me, stabbed me….I would be pretty offended…and I would imagine, it would be a pretty derogatory statement.
I think from the context and the mob’s subsequent behavior it’s pretty obvious that their intent was to use it as a racial epithet. And when we’re talking about hate crimes isn’t intent the whole point?
Maybe Gringo ought to let your damn house burn down when you call the fire department.
On December 7th, 2007 at 3:00 pm, Azygos said:
“Hispanic” is a culture not a race. Hispanic’s fall into the same category of “white” when it comes to assigning “race.”
“Hispanic” is an ETHNICITY, not a RACE. Employers are required to collect race/ethnicity data. The “races” are: White; Asian;
American Indian / Alaskan Native; Black or African American;
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander; or other. There are usually two “ethnic” choices - Hispanic /Latino OR Non-Hispanic/Non-Latino - that are chosen in addition to one’s race.
IMHO … “Hate Crime Laws” are total BS … all violent crimes, especially violent crimes committed without any provocation, are “Hate Crimes” in one manner or another so there is no need for a special classification of crimes …
RE: my previous comment. Those distinctions may not seem important, but they are defined legal distinctions and EEO/Civil Rights laws include the term “ethnicity” as well as “race”.
Just curious, what of you were being called a gringo while being stabbed in the chest? Would THAT insult you?
Beat me to the point desertlover!
Right!
To agree with the thread is to agree. To add those statements (#10) and turn around and say I was NOT trying to stir up trouble makes one go hmmmmm.
Would someone explain what the Police Community Disorders Unit does?
It sounds like they would be handing out happy pills or something.
Obviously, we don’t have that here in Memphis.
Hold on just a dog gone minute. White girls getting jumped in Baltimore, Hispanics attacking a firefighter in Boston, ain’t this sort of stuff supposed to be reserved for us racist rednecks in the south? Even the incident in Louisiana wasn’t about white folks jumping on minorities.
Guess I am glad to remain a redneck and civilized.
Let a group of “lilly white southern boys” gang up on an “ethnic” Hispanic yelling we don’t want no beaner here and see how fast Hispanic becomes a race.
#49
Dont you know that deep down every white person is racist. We dont have to say that, it is the truth. /sarc
Too bad. I used to live in East Boston (off the Suffolk Downs stop). It was the late 80s and there were lots of Latinos at that time too but there didn’t seem to be much racial tension between whites & latinos. Sounds like it’s gone downhill.
Nice sentiment, but wrong conclusion. These thugs didn’t terrorize another group of people; they terrorized one individual. “Hate crime” statutes aren’t needed. If Mass. didn’t have any on the books, existing laws would be sufficient to render justice.
BTW, are you implying that “hate crime” legislation is needed because it (gasp) deters “hate crimes.”
Megga ditto’s!!!
Frankly, I don’t know if the legislation deters hate crimes or not. I doubt it does. People who act this stupidly rarely think of the consequences.
But the terrorism aspect of the crime warrants extra punishment. How many white people will feel uncomfortable in that neighborhood now? That development needs to be punished severely.
Of course, hate crime legislation fails when it isn’t prosecuted equally. So, if the Herald has this story right, then I hope that these six accused are charged with hate crimes.
I can see EMT and BFD response times to calls in the Latino areas of Beantown suddenly becoming much longer than usual.
But deterring “hate crime” was sold as the reason for this redundant legislation.
Where judges have discretion in sentencing, they may impose additional punishment if the nature of the crimes warrant that…without hate crime laws. Further, I don’t want the guilty punished for making people feel uncomfortable. I want to see them punished for their transgressions against the victims.
Do we agree then that “hate crime” legislation is not a value-added proposition?
If I was still working as an EMT, I wouldn’t be going into those areas without my kevalr vest and police escort at a minimum.
Hate crimes laws are nothing more than thought control for whites against the historically repressed minorities in this country. So whites are only considered racist, and no other ethnic group can practice racism since they are not the dominiant ethnic group in power.—This is the prevailing wisdom in college America that is coming from the sociology and english departments.
GSP
Tango-Foxtrot Rusty
You’re still a troll!
And you should be wearing a tinfoil hat.
#10 cRusty said:
The operative phrase in this pearl from Lord cRusty being “I don’t think…”
Rusty, it is an epithet with a specific context in the lexicon of Spanish speaking Mexicans from Mexico or Americans of Mexican origins.
Justifying it’s use or excusing it because [you] “don’t think” is distasteful and feeble minded.
That’s enough of Rusty.
Assault with a deadly weapon, aggravated assault, and attempted murder should suffice for this violent, immoral act.
Using the epithet during the attack speaks to deep racial prejudice on the part of the assailant(s). And that speaks to motive just the same as “Give me your money!” does.
Attorneys who fail to get relief for white targets of racially motivated violence against them by people of color– (excuse my shorthand here, I don’t have time to make sure I name every group of non-whites under the sun and if that offends anybody you have my devout apology in advance) generally have low ability to frame the charges adequately to nail the perps and get them punished.
All the excuse making that attorney’s do to get the perps off on some kind of sympathy argument are easily defeated if the prosecutor comprehends what racism is and how it works— most don’t know.
And the circus goes on and on— perpetrators are not held accountable on both sides of the non-white/white color line.
For many years in the south, whites murdered and assaulted blacks with impunity. The prosecution had to learn how to prosecute these attacks successfully.
Now there is a need for prosecutors to learn how to prosecute color crimes against whites in a way that doesn’t allow protections under the law to excuse violent behavior against whites.
And that requires a technical understanding of racism and its manifest forms- institutionally, culturally, linguistically, militarily, economically, educationally, and socially.
These are forces acting out everyday in society. Certain groups benefit and are at the same time disadvantaged—across both sides of the color line.
But for many, the American dinghy is so far upside down that there is precious little understanding of what we are all swimming in to be able to make heads or tails of any of it.
Who can or can’t use epithets justifiably isn’t the issue.
The problem is that there is a societal disease that is being misdiagnosed and exploited by “social doctors” who are shaking down the citizenry for cash promising cures.
The parlor rules about racial prejudice and how to practice it because “those people are doing it” are not important to me.
They do not hold practical solutions for organizing our communities to 1) raise healthy, vibrant families for the sake of growing the next generation of Americans; 2) have schools which do not reinforce the seething underground river of racial hostility, violence and the threat of violence; 3)create wealth and legitimate access to privileges *and* the power of the Bill of Rights based on standards which do not elevate the humanity of one over another based on race, class, creed, etc.
This is true. I was taught this at Boston University. I asked about reverse racism and was told it was not possible because blacks have no power. Of course, now I look around and see lots of black people with power and it is still being taught. MM just did a piece a few weeks ago about the University of Delaware’s RA program where they are teaching students this nonsense.
Does Jerry “spitting” Rivers have an alibi?
I’m sure everyone here will offer their mea culpas when we find out the real reason he was stabbed. There’s increasing skepticism about the story he gave to police.
Don’t hold back Mookie, what is the skepticism and who is it coming from?
Uh oh Toto, I don’t think we’re in L.A. anymore.
To people in southern Ca. this is an everyday occurrence, the only reason it makes the news is its in Boston and a Firefighter is who was attacked.
When Congressmen are attacked perhaps law enforcement will occur, if its not too late and half the members of Congress have dual allegiances.
Very well put Bear.
Image:
Rusty Typing Furiously in response to Bear:
“And you should be wearing a tinfoil hat.”
Members of the law enforcement community.
bear1909..
‘The problem is that there is a societal disease that is being misdiagnosed and exploited by “social doctors” who are shaking down the citizenry for cash promising cures.’
American (democratic) socialist states. Massachusetts (my experience). sarc/ If Bobby Kennedy were brought back to life, he would be at the Cambridgeside Galleria with an automatic weapon in twenty minutes..\sarc and have no problem because it’s a ‘gun free zone’..
tsk, tsk
Link please?
Hard to link to talk in the station house.
“On December 7th, 2007 at 3:34 pm, bipartisancomplainer said:
Too bad. I used to live in East Boston (off the Suffolk Downs stop). It was the late 80s and there were lots of Latinos at that time too but there didn’t seem to be much racial tension between whites & latinos. Sounds like it’s gone downhill.”
And you were expecting it not to, after thousands upon thousands of uneducated, poor illegal aliens overtake the neighboorhoods, schools and bankrupt the hospitals???????
“On December 7th, 2007 at 4:10 pm, John Ansell said:
Does Jerry “spitting” Rivers have an alibi?”
If not I’m sure Oreilly will give him one!!!!!
There is hope for the republic of Cambridge..
‘Tonight’s Irish Hip-Hop Throwdown at the Middle East’
Don’t jump to conclusions, Rusty - trust me - it has nothing to do with you, personally. We wouldn’t give you that satisfaction.
gunslingerpatriot—
there is a reason that this absurd “i cant be racist cuz i’m black etc” is being taught on college campuses in America.
The proponents of that view is the “Anti-racist white identity” do-gooders out there who have succumbed to their guilt over racism and the privileges they have accrued under that system historically at the expense of people of color.
But those folks are not clear about racism. They are confused. And they fail to hold non-whites acountable for how we exploit systems in this country to cash in on the legitimate repression of some people by others.
What should be taught is that EVERYBODY is capable of racial prejudice. Everybody is capable. And many of us use it. And many of us conceal it.
That is a fact of life in America, the only nation I call a Great Nation, the only Nation I care about.
Thanks for reading gunslingrpatriot. The rest of my message goes out beyond the perimeter of your comment, as I see it.
Calling somebody racist has become quite commonplace to the point where it has lost its usefulness in bringing about constructive new ways of organizing our own communities. It has been used to shut down debate, discussion, free dialogue and the right to disagree.
And that comes out of confusion that is brought about by thousands of educators and mental health professionals and therapists who do “diversity” consulting.
I don’t call people “racist”. It does no good. If they are speaking and acting with identifiable racial prejudice (like that TexasAC character yesterday) I can call that out and drive a nail through it as fast as a calf-roping cowboy wins first prize at the fair.
And I don’t have to call them racist.
We’ve got to deal with our ghosts, individually and as a society.
I have a friend whose grandFather was lynched by a white mob in Mississippi in the 40s. And his body was burned on the rope. My friend was 3. Three years old.
Do you think he has ghosts to deal with regards to white folks? Would you if you were he?
I have a friend whose mother was murdered, being raped and shot in the face by a black man. Do you think this 63 year old Asian man has ghosts about black men?
Common denominator: they both have to deal with those ghosts to heal themselves and close the gap in their minds that leave them vulnerable to hate, fear, self-loathing (survivor guilt) and all the human emotions that come with the violence and perceived threat of violence.
And white folks have their own ghosts too.
The solutions and resolutions are personal and profound. At the same time, we must, as a Great Nation, find our way to growing stronger about this dis-ease that we are the inheritors of.
No longer can I say that it is the fault of the book writers, the college professors, the radical left, the old timer parents, the Moose Lodge, the Klan, the clergy, the text books or anything else.
I am handing over a world to my 30 year old, my 27 year old and soon to my 9 year old.
What can i share with them about what i have learned? My ghosts? My petty ‘truth’ based on my limited understanding of the world?
Or can I share the deeper struggles I am in right now where I am seeing how this Gigantic Family problem is put together, what makes it tick for white, asian, black, latino/a, arab, native…people who see themselves as Americans?
When we get suckered into being preoccupied with some kind of Olympics of pain and oppression “my suffering is worse than yours” or “why can they do it and we can’t” kind of jibberish, i remember my responsibility: go deeper still.
I’m like ol “Red” in Shawshank Redemption— “I hope”.
We have a furniture store in Alexandria, that has a large sign out front that people don’t need “GRINGO” papers in order to buy there. As usual, it’s pretty much ignored. Yes, I’m offended if called “gringo” since it is meant as a derogatory word. Heck, I’m “offended” everytime someone calls me an “Anglo-Saxon”, just because I’m white. No, I’m a Scotti-Pict. My ancestors fought the Anglo-Saxons for centuries. This attack looks racially motivated whatever anyone says. But, there won’t be any hue and cry about it. Such is our culture repaying “whites” for their terrible history.
I loved “Red” - one of the best characters in a story I’ve ever seen - and played masterfully by one of the best.
Awesome, Bear. Simply awesome.
Speakup #64, Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner!!!!! I mean the latino gangs, Tortilla X flats, MS13, Varrio, 204th street, East Side Torrance, etc. are openly in a race war with the black community and very little coverage over it.
Good post bear1099. I am just bringing up what college profs are putting out, and I don’t agree with it.
Frankly, I am colorblind and don’t care what the race of the perp is-if they do the crime, then they possibly face the business end of my Sig if the perp “places me in fear for my life”.
GSP
Reverse racism is an interesting term— it assumes that racism exists: whites against non-whites. And so it goes that the term reverse racism means non-whites against whites.
I get it. But it is interesting to me that when arguing “reverse racism” the proponents are very clear about a)what it means; b) that the act was pre-meditatedly based on the target’s race (something that seldom can be proven when it is not “reverse racism” or “racism”).
Just thought I would point that out.
That the world is moving on with non-whites acting out their racial prejudices, has far more explanatory power than “racism” and “reverse racism”, “racist” or “reverse racist”.
A prejudice is nothing more than a pre-judgement that can be either negative or positive. “Don’t talk to strangers” is a prejudice I taught my children. It’s positive.
You get the idea.
When there is a racial tone to the prejudice, it is seldom positive.
And if one can articulate the BIAS inherent to the perceived racial prejudice you can nail the situation in its tracks.
Most of the time the person who believes they are experiencing “reverse racism” cannot articulate the BIAS, and how it works, identify and explain the perceivable motive of the perpetrator (reading minds is not allowed), and write it up and turn it in to the authorities.
They are toothless in their pursuit of relief because they don’t understand how its wired to benefit the party with legitimate standing in the matter.
And that is the difference: if the party with legitimate standing is caught manifesting their bias- in this case racial prejudice- they will be taken down. Simple.
I love Mango’s opps Gringo’s, neeeeeevrmind.
A friend sent me an e-mail recently, photographs included, that described one victim that fought back…
No wasted court costs prosecuting this crime. Justice.
Multiculturalism is cultural communism. Hate crime legislation was pushed by Leftists as a way for the multicultural “proletariat” (”people of color” in cultural communism) to get back at the “bourgeoisie.” (whites) The proletariat cannot do any wrong; the bourgeoisie is always guilty for belonging to that class. Therefore, the proletariat are incapable of hate crimes.
This is why those “people of color” faking hate crimes never get charged and why these Hispanics won’t either. The concept of hate crimes is a communist concept. It is something the Supreme Court needs to throw out.
#84 On December 7th, 2007 at 4:53 pm, Gabe said:
“Multiculturalism is cultural communism. Hate crime legislation was pushed by Leftists as a way for the multicultural “proletariat” (”people of color” in cultural communism) to get back at the “bourgeoisie.” (whites) The proletariat cannot do any wrong; the bourgeoisie is always guilty for belonging to that class. Therefore, the proletariat are incapable of hate crimes.”
Well said.
Gunslingerpatriot– no worries.
I believe that the closer we (the Big We) get to one another, living life on life’s terms, side by side, the more we see the humanity in each other.
I’ll admit it: i have a BS detector that is finely wired to race, class, and gender.
There is a song that says “…so go ahead and wave your sex or your business degree, in the end love is all that matters.”
I either feel it or I don’t.
And if I don’t I check it out to see if that is going to end up causing me pain, or if it is based on something I am sending out that makes it so.
I got it. I will always have it. But I am workin on it to rise above it.
It took about 35 years to put these prejudices in place, and it will take nearly as long to rid myself of all them.
What matters is I control the present and what my brain does.
Period.
Have a great weekend.
I don’t believe that you are correct. Firefighters, EMT’s, and police officers are professionals. They will continue to do their jobs as such
What another horrible story today. Three days in a row of horrid behavior. Two of near blatant racial assaults and a mass murderer. I guess I care too much because it has really bummed me out and drained me emotionally.
On another note, I utterly reject the terms “reverse racism” and “reverse prejudice” as both necessarily make racist, prejudicial assumptions of the majority. I assert that there is racism, prejudice and bigotry, period. Not reverse, relative or proportional. Either you got it or you don’t and equivocating about it to grudgingly allow a valid assertion just makes the person using “reverse ____” sound like an east coast liberal and we know what jacka$$e$ they are.
(that is meant generally, not directed towards any particular post or commenter)
LOL Right on. I missed that one. I did see a gang banger last Saturday meet the fine men and women in blue when the car chase ended. I was at a friends house and we saw how not to act when a police officer is pulling you over. I’m not sure if it made K Cal 9 but they had the choppers up and all so the guy was pretty much prolonging his jail time.
Mookie says:
Where did you here this? Were you in the station house? If so, what were they saying? If not, where did you here it? Here is what I find hard to believe: I find it hard to believe that in a major city where all public servants get “diversity training” that one guy would pick a fight with 6 of anything that early in the morning without some backup. So what I want to know is what is the skepticism that you heard? It is relevant to the discussion and if you do not know what it is, why did you bring it up?
Myself, as a firefighter/medic, I have NEVER shirked my duties to my fellow man. I will respond to any neighborhood no matter the ethnic/racial makeup as I would my own neighborhood,(even the neighborhoods we are requested to wear body armor) as well as provide the same level of care, service and professionalism.
I was thinking the same thing, also, if this is an ongoing investigation, do you really think it wise to be blogging about it?
Slang for fireman, Max - not as commonly used as is “cop” for police, though.
As a lifelong resident of the Old Dominion, and with no disrespect meant to MA, I can safely say we are tops when it comes to history. Eight US presidents were born here. On some rural roads the historical markers outnumber the other street signs.
Me too. As a police officer for 25+ years, I never slowed down, even when I was without backup. The oath I took was real and I always gave it my best. I have the scars to prove it.
Mookie said:
Link please?
Even more so when that “talk” is nothing but pure fantasy.
In Virginia calling someone maccaca can cost you a Senate seat even though it’s only offensive in a tiny portion of the map that neither the speaker nor target had ever been too.
We’ll see.
“…don’t want any gringo here.”
Though police are not classifying the incident as racially fueled…”
If this doesn’t constitute a hate crime in Massachusetts, what does?
Wonder what would happen if a house occupied by hispanics was on fire, and the firefighters refused to go because of the occupants’ race?
The skepticism I’ve heard is that it’s all a little too convenient. Why, after identifying himself as a firefighter, would six people follow him to his station house and beat him in front of it? And why didn’t any of the other fire fighters see the perps?
Why can’t you reveal what you think you know Mookie? You stated you had information about skepticism at the Police Station. Cough it up, dude.
Who is your source?
This is exactly why it shouldn’t be used.
In different dialects, words have different meanings. Best to just not use it in public, if you truly don’t know where the word is derived from.
Even if your intention is not meant to be pejorative, the consequenses of these words can land you in the “racist” or “ignorant” category pretty darn quick.
Some words, are just not a good idea to say because there are nasty people out there that mean them to be derrogatory.
Are you nuts?
Mookie - everything you’ve said is speculative. I too would like to see your source.
Are you a detective? What experience do you have to disount out of hand these allegations.
If there is proof, fine…but your argument:
…here, is pretty darn weak.
where is your source…
In the People’s Republik of Massachusetts??? The only way you’ll get a permit is if your name is “Kennedy” or you have a letter of recommendation from one.
I’m repeating what I’ve heard. How, exactly, would you like me to prove what I’ve heard? Is it speculation? Sure. But let me ask you this. Flip the roles around. Say it was a Hispanic firefighter who went into a white-owned restaurant in South Boston, was told “we don’t want no spics”, was followed by six white guys to the front of his fire station, beaten and stabbed, and no one inside the station saw or heard anything. How many people here would think that this is another fake noose case?
Too convenient? I’m unsure what you mean by this. What is the “station” saying he was aiming for? Why after an LEO identifying one’s self as a police officer would someone continue to flee or even shoot at them? And if they’re anything like our firefighters, that early in the am, unless there’s been a recent call, or on their way to one, at this time of year, they’re all inside staying warm and relaxing. Just my 2 pennies.
I’m not at all saying none of what you say is inaccurate, but I know with my station…… I’d be more inclined to believe my fellow firefighter then a bunch of rumors. That is of course there is a history of some sort with one of them. But we’re all brothers and we tend to treat other a such.
And the “bone-head comment of the day award” goes to….the Cookie-head!!! Thanks for playin, cookie.
Now…put a sock in it until you can prove what you are saying is true before you impugn the character of a FIREFIGHTER with NO PROOF!
In that case the Hispanic firefighter is still none the less my brother, and I will believe him until I was proven otherwise with FACTS. I mean damn, is he faking the stab wounds or something?
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OK, yes, I spelled Intellegent wrong above….
Two L’s please!!!
Thanks Yas.
Like I said, Feeble, we’ll see.
Oh, cookie, trust me….I cannot WAIT!!!!
Heh, I like you, you’re funny.
A mind-reader is my guess, Feebs. Or maybe we’re talking something like John Edward’s “channeling”. (either the full-time TV psychic or the crook lawyer part-time psychic)
At any rate, feelings still just don’t triump over facts.
Are you doubting the firefighter because he is white? This is great. Not only are all white
people the people in the history of this world to befoul the entire world and cause all of
the ills that have ever befallen any people on this earth, but now, we are also liars? That
is it!!!! That is the straw that broke the camel’s back (oops…is that unpc?). Only the white
firefighter is lying because he doesn’t have witnesses to back him up? Of course those 6
Hispanics are all telling the truth because they are all witnesses for each other.
Brother, I lived on the border. I know what goes on. Those punks, just like the 9 punks in
Balitmore were playing the gotcha game because there were more of them than the ONE
white victim.
Keep trying, genius.
You’ve got to be kidding me. Only on this website would someone jump to that conclusion.
Mookie - go take a nap.
BTW - at least I corrected the missing “l”.
I am still waiting your apology for your missing “cabesa”!!!!
mojojojo..
Even the jerks in Assachusetts wouldn’t let one of THE Kennedys carry a gun….they don’t like them in boats for Christs sake…
Um, Feebie? It’s “cabeza”.
Ok cookie.
Once again, I stand corrected on the spelling.
NOW, what is your excuse, for your testa dura!
Get out your old helmet Feebie, I think we’ve got a
taker.
Forgot to say I was being sarcastic.
Here’s an idea: if you’re so sure that what I’m saying is BS, stake your membership on it. I’ll put up mine.
They’re just hardworking hispanics trying to improve their lives by stabbing the gringos that Americans won’t stab.
Anyone see the irony that they said that they “don’t wnat any gringos around here” - in the United States of America?
PA-LEEZE.
See my other post: It’s only a Hate crime when an aggrieved minority is attacked, verbally or otherwise, by a white. In this case, no minority no foul.
Enough said.
WOW Feebz! I think we have a new Mr. Poop Disturber.
Mookie, you can see where she’s coming from right? I mean, you said all may not be as it seems, so obviously folks here are going to call you on it and ask for some sort of validity. Got a link to an article or something….anything? Just repeating what you’ve heard is not really all that reliable.
Mookie. I don’t contribute to the delinquency of minors (gambling)…you’ll have to find someone else to take your sucker bet….
now, go take your nap…
Mookie,
If you’re not a cop working on this case, you have zero credibility. If you are a cop working on this case you have no business leaking any information, even speculation.
I can say that because I was a real cop for a very long time. You have no right to impune the character of this victim and that is exactly what your little game is doing. Do you feel important now?
Until an investigative agency proves otherwise, this man is a victim and you have as much credibility with me as a Turkey Farmer
I can definitely see where she’s coming from. But let’s be honest, there are hundreds of posts on the site every day that contain anecdotal comments and the hues and cries for proof and evidence and links and the like are few and far between. It’s only when someone takes an opposing opinion to the groupthink that evidence is demanded.
Again, groupthink. Concerns about impuning someone’s character isn’t exactly one of this site’s strong suits.
1 adam 12 , just The Facts Mookie.
Seriously, Mookie.
Nite nite.
If it’s a “sucker’s bet”, why not take me up on it? I’ll never post on here again if I’m wrong. I’m sure that would make you happy.
Or maybe you have some doubts as well. It’s ok, Feebie. It’s ok to think for yourself.
roger the tf there, bravo - over and out.
On December 7th, 2007 at 7:43 pm, ajmontana said:
1 adam 12 , just The Facts Mookie.
And you know right where you can shove that troll food, right AJ?
Your answer is above. Mookie, put the glue down and step AWAY from your puter, brah!!!!
No minor here, Feeble.
PS. You’ll never post here again….??? Then who would we point to as the poster child of the Democratic Party….
No, you stay put. There is a method to my maaaadness……
Speculation can be worse than gossip. There are small minds that absorb only headlines and nothing else. This is what will be repeated, even if it is false. I deal with
our firehall and firefighters at times. I am telling you, that when they are asleep or
back in their dining area and kitchen and bomb could go off in the parking lot and
they could miss it. For one thing, the tv or a movie is going, and they are talking. Or,
if they are asleep, it is even more “dead” in there. So, yes, I can see how he could have
been ganged up on by these 6 people and no one in the firehall heard a thing.
I’ll wait until the entire story is out before I decide that this firefighter is lying and the
6 assailants are telling the truth.
Surely they didn’t follow him to the firehall because he forgot his change and it took all 6 of them to carry it to him.
Ya know what ole mook. Thanks for clearing up that lil misunderstanding about you being a cop.
And you really do need to quit insulting the good people on this thread.
Nitey, Nite.
Now THAT’S funny.
I suggest you look at who started the insults.
aj has left The Forum.! enjoy the weekend everyone.
bye ajers.