Yet finding out what are the best car speakers can be a very difficult task….

Suffice it to say that this crusty AF Sergeant could not have been prouder at his son’s graduation from Navy boot camp one week ago Friday.

Go Navy.

Kevlaur

My point only was that they did indeed feel justified for their actions. They took a stand, they rolled the dice and they lost. The event itself was and remains a tragic day in American history. However, I doubt many Americans would actually stand up to the threat as they have in the past. We have many fine men and women who have taken our place in the Armed Service of this nation as did the men in my family (Including me) when we were of an age to do so.

In some minds, any actions can be justified. A quick glance at what our nation has become should confirm that without any doubts.

As for Tn. Dave, they may have been the first there by volunteer service in the military but they were not the first Americans in China to fight the Japanese aggression. Unfortunately, not living in the USA and not having access to my Grandfather’s 23,000 history books (Most of them are in Museums or libraries of our once great Universities) I cannot validate this fact. However, wikipedia remains a questionable source for information at best though that does appear accurate. However, rest assured that there were also military advisers (Observers) there prior to that and also some American volunteers who were not formally sanctioned by the Government.

My point is not now and never was to justify the attack, only to say that many minds can justify anything. Also, I said what I did to point out that the Japanese did, at the time, feel fully justified in their actions.

Again, I refer you back to the first post. If you should wish to compare DD214s, Historical knowledge or feelings of patriotism, I am open to debate (And personal attacks if you feel compelled to bring emotion into the equation) but not in this forum. My site can be found easily enough. This forum should remain a tribute to the bravery and sacrifice of those that were there on the day in reference.

IMHO

It’s on TCM on Dec 12 @ 10am

bolivar– if that was a shot at me mentioned the difference between the calls issued by FDR and Bush, I can assure you that is not BDS, but a legitimate criticism of Bush’s call for us to simply act like nothing happened. He was the one who told us to go have our coffee (tho I personally dont drink coffee, I find it gross).

And do not think that I do not appreciate the sacrifices of the members of our armed forces. I am a fan of history, but WWII has been the focus of my interest since I was a young kid. Our sailors, soldiers, airmen and marines did amazing work. They continue to do so to this day. Oh and the guys fighting the war today are the same 18, 19 and 20-somethings that this threat has criticized over and over again. That is what I have a problem with.

May the memory of this day live forever in the hearts of free men everywhere. To be free is not a cliche or another buzzword – the fact that we can do just this without fear that Chavez or Ahmadinajad will send his cronies to silence you tells you we are indeed free.

Keep that in mind when you are having your coffee – remember those who gave their all for you – it will humble the hell out of you.

On December 7th, 2007 at 7:57 pm, GaijinBob said:
Ignorance is bliss for today’s kids who then want to turn around and scold us for not driving the right kind of car or using the right kind of light bulbs.

Well whose responsibility is it to teach them? That would be we parents…unfortunately, we (as a generation) have dropped the ball on educating our children about the history of our country and the difference between right and wrong.

There was this little oil embargo shriveling up the Japanese economy. While that may or may not have been justified it was one of the many causes. There was also a failure to recognize the time differences. The Japanese diplomats were actually supposed to announce the attack “moments” before it happened.

Yeah, an oil embargo that was put in place due to Japan’s expansionist policies into the Pacific and the invasion into China and the slaughtering it was doing of the civilians in both places. If you are going to tell the reasons, tell the entire reasons. As for the “time differences”, it wasn’t the reason, it was due to the incompetence of the Japenese councular and the typing up and the interpretation of the message. It was delayed in getting it to the Secretary. Even so, handing it to the Secretary moments before the attack would have had no significant impact other than to be able to say it wasn’t a sneak attack. It was purely a political thing and would have not impacted the lives lost in any significant way. It was, for all intents and purposes, a surprise attack, and an unproviked one. It also was one that Hitler did not want as he was still hoping to broker a peace with England so as to enlist their help to fight against the Soviets. Hitler knew that once the United States entered the war, there would be no hope for getting Britain to surrender and join in against the Soviets so it was precisely the OPPOSITE of what he wanted.

But thanks for demonstrating exactly what was meant about the revisionist view of what happened on Dec. 7, 1941