Update: Police investigating Baltimore bus beating as “possible racially motivated hate crime”
Following up on my post about the beating on the Baltimore bus yesterday, the Baltimore MTA police are emphasizing that there is no evidence the victims in the Baltimore bus attack provoked the incident–and they are pursuing their investigation into the attack as a “possible racially motivated hate crime.” You’ll recall that yesterday the nine assailants’ families claimed that the victims spat or displayed weapons. Not so, say investigators. New details also show that in addition to the brutal beating of Sarah Kreager and her boyfriend, the nine assailants menaced an elderly white passenger and assaulted the black bus operator who came to the victims’ aid. Via the Baltimore Sun:
Maryland Transit Administration Police said last night that they have found no evidence that the severe beating of a 26-year-old woman on a city bus this week was provoked and that they are investigating the attack as a possible racially motivated hate crime.
Nine middle school students have been charged as juveniles with aggravated assault and destruction of property in the Tuesday afternoon attack on a woman and her male companion on the No. 27 bus.
Police said yesterday that they have determined that there were two additional victims in the case - a third passenger and the bus operator who came to his assistance.
Investigators were examining video from a surveillance camera on the bus but had not completed their analysis…
…Jawauna Greene, an MTA spokeswoman, confirmed that investigators were considering racial hostility as a potential motivation for the assault, which left the female victim, Sarah Kreager, 26, with broken facial bones and other injuries after she was punched, kicked and dragged off the bus. Her male companion, Troy Ellis, was also beaten, but not as severely.
“We are at this point investigating it as a hate crime,” Greene said.
Greene said the suspects, who have been released to their parents, are African-American while the two originally identified victims are white. Marzola said the suspects are also believed to have menaced an elderly passenger, who is white, and to have assaulted the bus operator, an African-American male who defended his passenger.
“He probably saved this gentleman’s life,” Marzola said of the operator. The MTA declined to identify the driver, saying they consider him a witness to a crime.
Police said no evidence had been found to back up the claims of suspects’ parents that Kreager or Ellis had provoked the incident by spitting or displaying a knife.
Greene said that at the time the incident reports were taken, no child reported any spitting or knife being pulled. Gavrilis said the operator hadn’t mentioned any provocation.
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Be careful there Michelle. On the other thread I here racism is a myth. You also used “racially motivated hate crime” together. People may tag you as a bigot – again.
/sarc off (no kidding)
Nail these perps to the extent of the law and send a message.
This sounds like finding a body killed from multiple gunshots in the back and calling it a “possible murder”.
It either is or it isn’t.
This is.
No possible about it.
We don’t have lions tigers and bears running through our cities…why do other wild animals get a pass?
I still do not believe in hate crime legislation however, these young people have proven themselves (On video) to be a menace to society. I think punishing them as juveniles will only lead to worsen the situation. They acted of their own free will, let them pay with their freedom in an adult institution. Let it be known that NOBODY will be allowed to commit acts like this and get away with the proverbial slap on the wrist.
Outcry from Jesse and Al on parade in 5, 4, 3, 2 …
On the one hand I’m glad this is being investigated as a “hate crime” simply because the hate statutes need to be applied equally, just like any other law. No man is above the law and all that.
On the other hand, I deplore the hate crime statutes. Any crime of violence is at some level a crime of hate. For the judicial system to try to parse out who hated who for what that led to the violence is beyond their scope. Even psychologists do not do that well within the framework of ongoing therapy.
Heinous assault is a heinous assault regardless of the color of anyone’s skin involved in the incident. To claim that this assault is worse than that assault because this person had this amount of tan and that person had a different amount of tan is ludicrous.
I’m so sick of this type of crap, and you can thank idiots like Al and Jessie for it. They themselfs keep this crap stired up.
The exact reason I’m learning Martial Arts. This will never happen to me.
How long before this courageous and honorable gentleman is derided as an Uncle Tom?
i guess the kids and their parents/families didn’t realize there was a camera watching everything, as well as witnesses. how could they not when today’s society is so camera ready via cell phones, etc.?
i wonder if there was a passenger on the bus with a cell phone/camera ready? maybe some of the kids thinking it could get on YouTube? sounds like one of those gang fight to video scenarios.
well, i think all murder or attempted murder is a hate crime no matter the race. my question is: will this now place this kids into being tried as an adult? if not, it should because sounds like this was intentional and planned.
These human beings are menaces to society and must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Make examples out of them. Let the dregs of society; Al and Jesse, crawl out from their hiding places and try to explain this one away.
Absolutely horrendous behavior. The herd mentality has rears its ugly head- yet again.
I agree with you, WarTip and deepdiver. I believe hate crimes legislation is thought crimes legislation. However, if hate crimes legislation is going to exist, it needs to be applied justly as fair protection under the law.
That means whites, Christians, males and other supposed “oppressor” groups can be the victims of hate crimes. All too often, crimes against these groups are not classified as hate crimes, even though - if races, religions, or genders were reversed and the crime were exactly the same…they would THEN be hate crimes.
It will be interesting to see how this case unfolds - especially if surveillance video and witness testimony discredits the claims that the victims provoked the beating (as if spitting on someone warrants a beating in the first place).
#9, Beat me to it. I wonder if the parents who made those excuses will finally give their child a whoopin’!
Enough of the PC labeled stuff like ‘hate crimes’ - what appears to have happened is 9 ill behaved kids went on a rampage - they need to be dealt with, punished and watched to determine if they have understood that this behaviour is unacceptable - I don’t think the race of either the victims or the agressors is or should be the issue - it is time to let these ‘gangs’ of groups who behave like gangs know that there behaviour has consequences.
The strongest possible punishment isn’t strong enough.
I’m sick of hearing about “hate crimes” as if bad language or attitude makes the assault worse. I do not want anyone prosecuted for their thoughts or attitude, just their actions.
These actions justify some jail time.
the next step is to try them as adults and give them a sentence that lasts them past the age of 25. If the get tried as juvies and are released at age 18, or finish their sentence while they’re still young, they’ll be back on the streets doing the same thing again.
Colorado Revised Statute 18-1-704, The use of deadly force in the defense of a person.
This is why concealed carry permits are a must and the defense of the second amendment is so important.
If these little punks had tried this here. I would not have hestitated to use my right of defense to protect this woman, a family memeber , and myself.
MrVibeman is learning martial arts. I too have reuped my education in these forms of self defense. However nothing quit comes out as an equalizer as much as a Smith and Wesson .45
What really bothers me is that this crime as well as the assault on the fireman in Boston are still being considerd racially based. It is clearly racial as the assailants are all non white and the victems are white. They only reason they were assaulted was because they were white. It is like discrimination in the work place. It is only discrimination if it happens to nonwhite peoples. PHHHHT, a cop out by those who ant to remain politically correct.
What is the point in sending them to jail? I mean in todays world in the inner cities it seems to be a badge of honor to do time…once they get out of jail or juvie more victims will fall prey to them.
So it has been established that the attacks were unprovoked, despite claims of spitting and a knife being drawn, this illustrates clearly that the first reaction of the parents was to excuse inexcusable behavior and therein lies the problem. If a child is not taught from a very young age the cause and effect of certain behaviors, you have a big problem as they get older.
This is where Jesse and Al could do more for their cause than anything else they have ever done. SPEAK UP.
I dunno, I got a .45acp that does pretty well if I have to reach out and touch someone. For close up and personal I have a little .44 special with 240 grain fmj with a factory serrated tip that I push out at about 1180 fps. It hurts my wrist if I have to reload but not as much as it hurts what I touch with it
This should raise some serious questions about the family and community where these kids are being raised.
There is obvious lack of supervision but there is a much deeper seated issue with the lack of respect for other human beings. It isn’t about what is legal and illegal it is about what is morally right or wrong.
The level of evil that is displayed here is frightening. We are talking about 14 and 15 year old boys and girls, 9 of them! They are supposed to be doing homework, helping their parents with chores, playing sports, going to dances, doing the things that teenagers do, not committing attrocious crimes and attempted murder?
I am thorougly disgusted that their parents are choosing to defend these cretins. But I shouldn’t be surprised as the parents share in a major portion of the blame
Sadly, this is just another episode in the trials of living in this city. Yeterday, a 17 yr old girl who pleaded guilty to murder over a cell phone, recieved life in prison with all but 25 years suspended.
Incidentally, Our beloved Sun has seen fit to give an accounting of the home life of the 2 perps at the end of the article. It’s hogwash if you ask me.
Then there is the story of a young man (who’s name escapes me, so no link) who was set upon by thugs outside of his home in Highlandtown. He’s still in a coma and will never be the same. And for what, fun? After they took their victims’ credit cards, they “allegedly” (I hate having to use that word) only bought DVD games and some snack food. Absolutely senseless, just like this story!!
And by the way, trinitytim knows of what he speaks. There are places you would only catch me dead, literally. And if I have to be in these areas, I watch my surroundings closely for danger.
Agreed. I have to go to a lot of areas like this for my job in Philly. Since I don’t have a weapon, not allowed by work,you have to be more than super careful. The best strategy is always to be non-confrontational.
Honestly, I’m tired of being a SWM in America and treated as a second class citizen who deserves anything bad that happens to myself or others like me.
Acts like this are less-than-human. No matter what society (well, almost all societies) this is a deplorable act and isn’t something you would expect from the worst of people. However, these kids will spend some time in juvie, and be free at the age of 18. Most likely, they will be lifetime criminals, with the slim chance one will “conform” to societal norms. Teaching our children in school to not stand up for themselves and to bend to the will of belligerent minority groups has driven our country into the depths of oblivion. This is something I’d expect to hear happening to a tourist in the Congo - NOT on public transportation in America.
Can anyone possibly explain why whites aren’t given the chance to stand up for themselves in front of the cameras? It isn’t only whites either - ANY minority group in America who “goes along with whitey” is derided by these hoodlums, scaring people into staying in their homes, not going to school, etc. Enough is enough. Is there any hope for our youth?
Since the parents obviously cannot control these animals, they should have their
extortionwelfaregovernment assistance checks halted.and if you want to know something super telling about the city, 25% of kids 12-18 sureveyed in the city (of a sample of nearly 2000)thought that that the appropriate age to have a child was age 16 or younger (some responses went as low as 12). Not surprisingly, these responses didn’t come from the more affluent areas of Bmore.
Know this…if any of my children involved themselves in a crime like this, I would allow the justice system to throw the book at them. I love my children with all my being. But tough love will allow them to be punished if it ever got this far.
Of course, tough love usually doesn’t let it get this far…
Hate crime laws are a terrible idea, but at least there may be some “progress” here. When they were first enacted, the enacting bodies would frequently say something to the effect that they could never conceive of a circumstance where a minority could be accused of a hate crime against a white (”lack of political and economic power”, etc.).
If this sort of argument is made in what appears to be such an obvious case, there could be some impetus towards reconsidering the value of these laws.
I’m actually really interested in seeing how many of these kids have parents, and how many are in out of home placement. Bmore has the highest out of home placement rates in the country (largely due to a huge heroin problem).
Agreed.
How can anybody equate a Pastor who teaches from the Bible about homosexuality with this woman’s beating? An opinion may be hurtful to some group and is not a crime but a group that beats the living snot out of a woman IS A CRIME. It was hate that caused this woman to be beaten and not color.
If there ever was a definition of a hate crime, this is it for sure.
Taylork-
Seems to me that the left doesn’t want the parents applying corporal punishment to their kids. Isn’t Massachusetts considering a law that bans spanking and such by parents? Some of the same proponents of this are against Jessica’s Law to punish pedophiles.
I have to wonder if some of these youths don’t reflect their parents values and habits. But then even if a child is given rules and all the material things, there is no guarantee he or she won’t rebel and become a junkie and revel in criminal acts.
A crime is a crime. There are levels of crime, but I would like to see the Hate label
thrown out and every crime treated seriously. She did not deserve this beating. The
people that gave birth to these teens can never be accused of being parents because
parents teach and raise their children to respect life. This is like the beating of an
Arlington, TX teenager in his front yard by a group of black teens, for their camera,
to put on the internet. They ambushed him just as these kids ambushed Sarah K.
Johnny D (#23)
I read the article that you linked, that is a tragic story. The father of the victim sounds like a good man. I also noticed right away that the paper felt the need to recount the hardships the murderer faced growing up…
I think the other victim you’re thinking of is Zach Sowers.
Al and Jessie can speak up for whomever they like. I am pretty sure that the woman that was beaten has more than enough people speaking up for her.
On December 7th, 2007 at 10:17 am, taylork said:
#9, “Beat me to it. I wonder if the parents who made those excuses will finally give their child a whoopin’!”
too late….this is several generations of ‘needs a whoopin’! Race hatred passed from generation to generation as a way of life…it is an equal opps employer.
“I’m actually really interested in seeing how many of these kids have parents, and how many are in out of home placement.” Taylork
A lot of us got the sht beat outta us by ‘life’s circumstances’& vowed NEVER to repeat the violence done to us. NO!, there is never an excuse for this kind of hatred!
I’m not sure what the issues is? Didn’t the Jena 6 make it clear that it is heroic to do these kind of gang beatings?
The pretenses this country goes through to cover up the pathologies of black America is disheartening. As Cosby says, only by confronting them can we change them.
Who spoke up for Justin Barker? The only people who were “spoken up” for were the thugs who committed the crimes against him, the Jena 6.
I do not make excuses for the person that shot up the mall in Omaha. He was white and a
mass murder who didn’t want to go out (by suicide) quietly. I don’t make excuses for the
boys at Columbine. They were white.
However, you can bet that there will be all kinds of excuses made for these teens because
they are black and that’s exactly where the trouble lies.
Had one or more of these teens had a gun, no one but the kids would have exited that bus
alive. That is how vicious I believe they are. These are not frustrated babies. These are not
poor underprivileged kids that don’t know better.
When we quit making excuses for them and hold them to the same standards as we do
whites and Hispanics and yes, even Asians, this is going to only get worse.
I know the Black community isn’t happy with Bill Cosby, but he is correct. They, including
the parents, have to straighten up. The Reverends have to quite making excuses and
yelling racism everytime it suits their purposes.
I am not racist. I can see us all living together. We just have to all agree to live by the same laws;not laws for whites, et al and laws for blacks only.
Bet this gets me yelled at.
Instead of when, should have read Unless we quit
making excuses…..
Just got to start previewing.
And good for the driver. It pretty much gives the lie to some of the stupidity being spouted on the other thread about this incident. Not that it will change anyone’s mind, but GOOD FOR HIM.
I would like to hear more details about what the operator did.
—————–
So the MTA Northern District Captain thinks that these thugs would have killed someone if the operator hadn’t done something, and yet:
who have done such a bang-up job with them so far…
I’m sure she will have more than enough people. But will these folks speaking out for the victim be given the same platform that Jesse and Al are going to have when (and I say WHEN not IF) they begin their Bmore9 marches? I doubt it, and I think you would doubt it too. You know, reality and all.
I’ll say it again.
DEVILS.
Let’s see..the, she spit on me didn’t fly. The, he pulled a knife on me didn’t fly. Next should
be….. It’s only a matter of time before new excuses are being fabricated for the reason
behind this attack.
There will be liberals demanding that they be freed if they are found guilty. We will see their
parents weeping, wailing and gnashing their teeth for the MSM and we Know how unbiased
they are. In this country the victim is left out in the cold. If they go on trial (as opposed to a
plea bargain), chances are Sarah Kreager will actually be on trial, not the 9 little monsters.
And make no mistake, no matter their ethnicity or color, the members of this “pack” are
monsters.
My apologies to all. I posted this on the other thread before I realized the topic had a new thread. It references a couple of posts on the old thread, but I think it still has relevence to the subject:
That’s the question so many of us ask when the race baiters insist that every crime committed by a white person against a minority be classified as a “hate crime”.
Perhaps it’s because white people see no importance in these questions and some minority members insist on placing importance on them that the “racial divide” continues to exist in this country.
Once every ethnic group in this country - white, black, Asian, green dancing women from Andromeda (yep, I’m that old) - quits seeing EVERYTHING through the prism of race, then perhaps we can quit applying all the p.c. cr*p to everything. And maybe, just maybe crimes like this will be seen for what they are: a brutal, savage attack on one human being by a gang of other human beings. And maybe, just maybe it will be prosecuted as such.
Now, it’s time for some of you to tell me how misguided and naive I am not to recognize how the poor, disadvantaged minorities have no choice but to act in this anti-social manner. And how white people truly are guilty of the “original sin” of racism, just because of the behavior of some of our ancestors.
RE: Greene said…no child reported any spitting or knife being pulled
Is Greene exposing a racial bias when reporting ‘no Child reported any spitting…’ rather than no alleged assailant reported any spitting or… The rule of law must now tie child and hate. Would it then be called a child crime and can you prosecute a child of this sub-culture without a street jury.
#40 TxRose
Excellent post. Reminds me of the guy in Tx who shot the criminals that broke into his neighbors house (cant remember the guys name right off hand) and the Black Panthers coming in and crying racism. Hey Quanell X, why dont you retards protest the fact that the two dead guys were BREAKING THE FREAKING LAW. QUIT GIVING ME THIS RACISM BULLCRAP. YOU WANT A FAIR SHOT, EARN IT. IT ISNT “WHITEYS” FAULT THAT THESE GUYS ARE DEAD, OR THESE JACKASSES ON THIS BUS BEAT UP SOMEONE FOR NO REASON. ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM JESSE. PROTEST THAT AL. BE MEN AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN HOUSE BEFORE YOU START YELLING AT MINE.
There’s some local reporting now that the children are claiming the bus vicitm used the “N” word…as if that would justify their assault. I guess we’ll get another round of Jena/Central Park Wilding/South Central rioting, etc. etc. apologists. This stuff goes on everyday in shopping malls, movie theatres, sports events, etc. The little darlings don’t respect anything or anybody. They sass teachers, treat each other with disdain and vulagarity -they are not part of civil society… they’re an extension of the ghetto culture creep stinking up the entire country. It’s not about race, the white kids aren’t any better. Today, in a Baltimore newspaper, there is an article about 4 recently accused murderers who were all back out on the street after more than 50 convictions for various crimes in recent years. As ye sow…
Balitmore Jack - this case has one little problem - The black bus driver. He changes this whole scenario. We’ll see how things play out but you can rest assured that J and A (Jack and Ass)have their work cut out for them on this one.
Let’s skip the hate crimes category altogether.
What’s here is an attempted murder. They acted in concert so it is a conspiracy as well.
Let’s convict them of that.
And then put them in the slammer for 40 years.
They have already proven that they are damaged goods — and will never ever ripen into wholesome citizens.
That they are black has nothing to do with their inability to be decent human beings.
Being nice to them and extending the juvenile punishment norms is exactly the mistake that created them.
Hate crime only applies to black victims.
The answer to this is simple; anyone convicted of committing a violent crime gets a bullet to the back of the head, regardless of race. Period. This would go a long way toward curbing everyone’s seemingly uncontrollable violent impulses, plus it’s much more humane and quicker than being injected with a chemical cocktail or strapped to a chair for a little juice. Everyone wins!
….and a jury of their peers(think OJ) acquits.
….and the crowds in the streets and universities cheer.
These teens came so close to being tried for murder. I do not know to what degree the
murder charge would be but they had better consider themselves truly lucky. Of course,
since everything will be Sarah and society’s fault they will never realize how close they
came to being murderers.
It will be interesting to hear what the bus driver and the older woman they were
harassing have to say. Would like to hear from the bf but you know that his testimony
will probably be downplayed because of their relationship.
Also will be interesting to learn if the Reverends are going to take black bus drivers
testimony seriously or if he will be branded as an Uncle Tom.
You underestimate the Justice Brothers. They have a template for all occasions. Clearly the driver was a self-hating Uncle Tom.
Again,this is one fine example of political muckery.In Maryland,a law abiding person,is NOT allowed to carry a firearm,concealed.You can bet the “Political Elites”DO NOT use public transportation.The same commie/puke,al-Qeada loving slugs,who pass such draconian laws.Ask those victims,if they want concealed carry in Md.,now?
Yes, but, said Uncle Tom will get his share of air time. Nothing like hearing the truth from the proverbial horse’s mouth.
OOOOHHHH, well then, they did the right thing. And of course, after 9 socially retarded black kids beat the heck out of a white woman for no viable reason, we can be assured that there weren’t a million race-challenged individual who screamed that word at the tv and used it with their friends while talking about this incident, right. Because, hey, crap like this and the Jena incident absolutely do nothing to reinforce negative racist stereotypes. If these children’s parents cared about them they wouldn’t be able to sit down for a week. And they would be grounded until they were 30. Stupid, ignorant, socially retarded jacka$$e$.
Luckier than that. Had this happened with the wrong person in Baltimore or with a lot of people in one of the free states, there would likely be at least one dead teenager and probably several others seriously injured. I’m a good sized guy with martial arts training, but I’m not sure that upon being beset on all sides by 9 juvenile thugs in an enclosed space that I wouldn’t use my knife or pistol for self-defense. Even if I didn’t draw one of the weapons I legally carry everywhere, I would not have held back with hand to hand and in a crowd like that a lot of the fastest disabling moves to improve the odds involve causing permanent injury.
But therein lies the problem doesn’t it. They are so use to being the king of the roost it obviously never occurred to them that one of their victims might be armed, or might be a trained fighter. Maybe the way to punish them is to recreate the incident but this time, the victims will be played by a male and female trained fighter, thugs will play themselves, and it sounds like the courageous bus driver should be given the option of playing himself as well. We’ll just relive the incident and won’t stop until the bus driver decides to stop the bus. That may have a profound effect on the kiddies. Meh, probably would only learn to be armed next time.
Between this and the the Omaha mall shooting, it has been a sad few days for our nation and those who love her.
Just read that the victim is “in the system” for a drug charge. If this ever goes to trial (not likely) she’ll be the female equivalent of Mark Fuhrman in front of an all black Baltimore jury.
The problem is that in most major cities YOU would face a jury for injuring middle-schoolers. It would not matter one bit what they were doing or what they had done. YOU would be the monster who picked on poor children on their way home from school. Right and wrong have nothing to do with anything anymore. Just ask the Jena 6, OJ, Steve Pagones, and the Duke Lacrosse team.
“Between this and the the Omaha mall shooting, it has been a sad few days for our nation and those who love her.”
The other thread is a bit discouraging as well. It is a monument to the necessity of clearly distinguishing in one’s own mind and in one’s words the difference between race and culture. It is a tightrope to begin with, and the history of racism on one side and the frustration with PC-ness on the other side just makes it harder to address the issues honestly.
Good for the bus driver. I am glad to see at least one hero come out of all this. Also, while I would like to see “hate crime” legislation go the way of segregation laws, if they have to be enforced they can at least be enforced fairly, and if they are enforced consistently then I suspect that the rational behind them will fade away in time. One hopes…
Okay, I have to agree here. Anyone beating another human like this is completely pathetic. Be it white on white, black on black, black on white… yadda….yadda…..yadda (and I really couldn’t care less about all the statistics that were argued in the other thread) I for one think that no matter what color these thugs and thugettes were/are they should be prosecuted appropriately and their parents/PARENT (assuming the father figure is out of the picture which is a common problem with violent teens) should be accountable in some fashion.
Funny how parents/parent that don’t keep tabs on their children’s comings and goings or have any idea what they’re into, have the nerve to pipe up and tell the world that “My child would NEVER do such a thing” I see elementary and middle school age kids roaming the streets on my way to work, at 5:00 in the morning, and I know it’s not to be first one to school, God knows what they’re up to.
At any rate, I’d have to say I think the frustration (there goes that word again Bear) that a lot of people are feeling here, is the serious double standard in this country on violent crimes. Is this racially motivated, who cares. I DO feel, however, that had this been 9 whites beating down a black woman the outcry would be way more profound, it would be an all out assault on “whitey” because if a white person harms a minority then the news would be reporting this as “definite” racial motivated HATE crime. Why? because everyone knows that whites are the ONLY racists. But the way it stands,this incident and the one with the firefighter being stabbed by Hispanics, they’re “Possibly” racial motivated, God knows that “we don’t want no gringos around here” is not a racist statement. I “think” the 9 assailants will end up being the victim in this case, and Sarah Kreager will have to defend herself. I certainly hope I am wrong though.
Sorry for the rant, but I am sick of feeling like a second class citizen here.
Yes that’s it. Thanks RR.
These and other incidents are just the tip of the iceberg. It seems it happens more and more in Baltimore that the perps are getting younger.
It all sickens me. No “rehabilitation” will make them respect others and themselves. I think that they should be punished severely.
Absolutely correct. Which is why I chose to make less money and NOT live in one of those places. It was a trade-off I made. I don’t visit places like that and if more people refused as well, Maryland would be a free state. Actually I avoid any state that does not recognize my right to carry a firearm. I spend my time and money in the other 36. It isn’t paranoia, it is survival.
This JUST popped into my head. Weird. Nearly every state that was a “free state” in 1861 now make it almost impossible for citizens to defend themselves or get a concealed weapons permit. The few exceptions were hard fought, and still being fought, battles for 2nd Amendment rights, excepting Vermont. On the other hand, every state that was a “slave state” in 1861 has pretty friendly concealed weapon and/or open carry weapons laws for any law abiding citizen. Just popped into my head and I find it interesting.
My family and I do the exact same thing. I find more congenial atmospheres in states where the citizens are treated as such and not as subjects. Anywhere that a law-abiding citizen is not free to defend his life, he is a slave.
Don’t you all realize that this incident is just the understandable reaction of the historically disenfranchised.
/sarc off
Seriously, punsihment to the fullest extent of the law will not be anywhere close to what these beasts deserve.
A buddy of mine had this t-shirt:
In 1935 Germany registered all handguns…
[picture of Nazi's troops goose-stepping]
…and the world lived happily ever-after.
“Gun registration is not enough.” Attorney General Janet Reno, December 10, 1993 (Associated Press) “Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.” - Janet Reno
I’ll say to you Phiberop, what someone said to me on the other thread. Your rant
made me feel better also.
Let’s, for just a moment pretend that we’re all the same color. This is a crime. Leave
hate out of it. It- is- a- crime- period. She did not do anything to those teens that
caused them to beat on her. They decided to do this on their own and should be
punished accordingly.
Will be interesting to hear all of the excuses that comes from them. If the n word
excuse is disproved there will be another and another and another.
According to the University of Delaware only white males can hate. So this girl must have volunteered for the beating. Moonbat logic.
Raised Right, this just broke here about Josh’s assailents
For everyone else edification:
Three teenagers accepted a plea agreement Friday in connection with a severe beating and robbery that left a 28-year-old man in a coma.
Zachary Sowers was walking to his Patterson Park home shortly after midnight on June 2 when he was attacked, officials said. Four teens were charged in the beating.
Three of his attackers accepted a plea agreement Friday, allowing them less jail time only if they agree to testify against the fourth teen in the case
A Plea Agreement? This will not stop these animals from living a better life than their victim.
I must stop here or I will let my emotions rage and it will get me banned.
I’m not sure if any posters here are familiar with La Shawn Barber’s Corner, but I have been reading her for a while now….she has some very good insight into cases such as this. As of today she has been quiet on this case but if you read some of her opinions in her archives I think you will find she knows exactly what she is talking about. She is a strong woman with sound views. I eagerly await her commentary on this case.
I just cannot understand what made her slam her face and body again and
again into their fists and feet. This must be what happened since white people
are always the cause of black peoples troubles.
And no, I’m not a racist. I am being sarcastic because this is exactly what I
almost expect to hear by the time the Reverends get through with this crime.
What was the defense of some black criminals? Black anger and frustration from
the 1800s forward? This also will be brought up if needed. It’s like the don’t
turn police dogs loose on black fugitives because it reminds them too much of
dogs tracking slaves. When did anyone alive today ever witness dogs tracking
slaves? This is how facetious some arguments get.
Rose,re:73
I doubt that the Reverends will choose to get involved here…
A. They are smart enough to pick their battles & the cat is out of the bag already so they can’t win this one. (I am surprised that media didn’t spin this from the start).
B. There is no money to be made here.
But I would love to see them try…
I listened to the black female reporter when she was talking about this, she seemed to
be really treading lightly when she was talking about the attack. I kept waiting for her
to break into a rendition of it’s all whitey’s fault. It was like she was holding back and I
notice that the black male reporter seemed to think she had more to say.
I could be projecting here, but I doubt it because I try very hard to wait for the evidence
and the tape from the bus had not been seen at that point. Nor had anyone apparently
heard from the bus driver or the elderly female passenger.
I think it’s pretty clear where this is going to go. They are going to basically get away with it *because they are black*
They will be given community service and probably minimal sentences (if any).
In a current FoxNews story, they are quoting Rep. Elija Cummings along with the Mayor of Baltimore (the news article noted that both are black). Cummings statement apparently is
“The physical assault of any human being, regardless of motivation, is conduct that is unacceptable. As police continue to investigate the circumstances surrounding this terrible crime, we must rise together as a community to take a stand against violence toward any of our neighbors,”
It’s pretty obvious that they don’t consider it a hate crime at all. One can only imagine what the same statement would look like if it had been white “kids” attacking a black woman.
So apparently, in the United States, not only are all white people racist, and not only are white people the only ones capable of discrimination and hate crimes against others, it is apparent now that white people are the only ones to whom the law applies to. Apparently everyone else is free to rape, murder, steal, or whatever they wish, so long as they are not white.
This is exactly why I’m getting my CCW. This will never happen to me.
That’s right…I can see it now. These 9 angelic choir children, fresh out of Bible class were sitting on the bus, all on their way to the ice cream shop to buy themsilve a special treat for having memorized the Ten Commandments so well, when suddenly, these two mean white people began to harrass them. First, the mean old white woman came up to them and spit on them, calling them viscious names. When they nicely asked her to stop, for they had done nothing to her, the two only laughed, joined in at this time by a very mean looking elderly woman, who began to egg them on. The elderly womn told the couple that the 9 reminded them of some children her family had once owned on their plantation oh so long ago and told stories of what they used to do to them. This further enflamed the situation, and made the 9 innocent children feel worse, decreasing their sense of self-worth to the breaking point as the three evil white devils laghed and laughed, echoing in the children’s minds maniacally. Soon, the voices began, telling the children that something muct be done to end this harassment. It just would not stop, no matter how much they begged, cried and pleaded with the evil white devils to stop laughing, ridiculing and spitting on them.
When one of the boys rose to tell the bus driver of what was occurring in the back of the bus (obviously where they belonged in the first place) that was when the whaite man drew his huge Bowie knife, brandishing it and held it under the chin of the boy, threatening to cut him a “new smile” if he didn;t sit down and do what whas good for him. Well, there is only so much anyone can take. that was when these poor, poor children just snapped. the voices of 400 hundred years of white oppression yelled into their heads at once to attack, and attack they did, lashing out at their white oppressors. They only did what any strong black man or woman would do in the face of such white oppressors. They were obviously only fighting for their lives. After all, they were spit on and had a knife flashed at them.
And I swear to God officer, that is exactly what my children told me. I don’t understand why you arrested my children and let those white devils go free.
Yeah, call me a racist, but how mch you want to bet that the explaination went something like that…only without the added satire.
Personally, I think that there is a list of excuses now. If an excuse doesn’t fly, just
move on too another. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that the kids thought this
couple were pedophiles they’d seen pictured on the net and that one of them tried
to grab one of the children.
That is how farfetched their excuses have been so far, so I think we’ll only hear
more and more outlandish made up excuses for why this was done, which means,
they knew it was wrong and still know it was wrong!!!!