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Around the world with Planned Parenthood

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 8, 2007 10:08 PM

Dawn Eden takes you on a worldwide tour of international Planned Parenthood ad campaigns. Go check ‘em out. A few samples:

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Next thing you know, they’ll be passing out those bumper stickers I mocked up to commemorate that story a few weeks ago about eco-zealots having abortions and tying their tubes to save the planet. The “fewer the merrier,” right?

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Update: Dawn e-mails some real-life Planned Parenthood bumper stickers and notes that truth is stranger than fiction. Indeed:

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  1. #1
    On December 8th, 2007 at 10:11 pm, Sir Loin said:

    By their logic, why don’t they just kill themselves to save the planet? Then they won’t consume anything else or have anymore children. Sounds morbid, but this is the mentality we’re dealing with. Egads.

  2. #2
    On December 8th, 2007 at 10:26 pm, puhiawa said:

    I assure everyone here that this ad is ONLY intended to run in Christian Nigeria.

  3. #3
    On December 8th, 2007 at 10:26 pm, zorro said:

    Those ads are awful. May God forgive them.

  4. #4
    On December 8th, 2007 at 10:29 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Tim Tebow was supposed to be aborted. Today is a great day to be a Gator fan!!! Tebow can use my carbon credits and win another national championship. Another Heisman Trophy or two would not be bad either!!!

  5. #5
    On December 8th, 2007 at 10:48 pm, flmom said:

    Go Gators!

    I’ve never been able to get my head around calling children “burdens”.

  6. #6
    On December 8th, 2007 at 11:04 pm, Mookie said:

    The bottom half of that “burdens” ad is missing.

  7. #7
    On December 8th, 2007 at 11:09 pm, California Unclaimed Money said:

    Have you all heard about the massive amounts of self-abortion kits that UNFPA sends to third world countries? It’s disturbing. I’m not going to go all Truther on you here, but there is a movement for “population reduction” out there that has a lot of friends in the UN. That professor in TX who said we need to reduce the world’s population, and then back peddled after pressure (remember a couple years ago?), wasn’t some lone whacko. There’s a bunch of these people out there, and let’s just say they ain’t nobodies.

  8. #8
    On December 8th, 2007 at 11:14 pm, mojoe said:

    “Plan it for the Planet”

    If by “plan it” you mean kill your children.
    And by “planet” you mean your own selfish ass.

  9. #9
    On December 8th, 2007 at 11:16 pm, allrsn said:

    On December 8th, 2007 at 10:11 pm, Sir Loin said:

    THAT is not their logic. There logic is? meeemeeemeeemeeee

  10. #10
    On December 8th, 2007 at 11:18 pm, DaveC said:

    So.. why don’t the advertise where it’s logically really needed? China and India?

    if you really want to help curb the World’s population problem, those should be the first 2 stops..

    (/sarc off)

  11. #11
    On December 8th, 2007 at 11:32 pm, jenmom said:

    That is so sad. Planned Parenthood is horrible.

  12. #12
    On December 9th, 2007 at 12:21 am, JoAnn in VA said:

    I tried to look up what the rest of the Nigeria poster looks like, but wasn’t able to find it. I did find in the Planned Parenthood online store, “seasonal” cards with snowflakes or little birds on them and the banner “Choice on Earth” across the front.
    It made my back get all shivery…

  13. #13
    On December 9th, 2007 at 1:15 am, old trooper said:

    Responsibility on a Personal level.
    Nope!

    The World expects generous Nations to subsidize those Nations, Mothers and Children where Fathers coupled and ran.

    Never mind about responsibly creating a “Family” or caring in raising your offspring.

    Let generous folks support that burden.
    It fits into the Clinton mentality about
    “It Takes a Village”
    Just another reason to Jack Your Taxes!

    Even better yet get across the US Border and give birth here!

    Then the US will deal with the cost as poorly raised children, given zero values commit crimes here and the American Taxpayer can be both Benefactor and Victim!

    Ain’t it Grand?

  14. #14
    On December 9th, 2007 at 1:24 am, old trooper said:

    Botton Line:

    If You cannot provide a Home, Feed, Clothe, Educate and Furnish Values and Responsibly Raise Children, Do Not Expect Others to Pay for Your Irresponsibility.

    The UN has outlived it’s usefulness and abandoned it’s purpose. Period.

    Move the UN to Mogadishu today. Let them enjoy the “hotels,”restaurants” and ammenities there.

    How about That?

  15. #15
    On December 9th, 2007 at 1:27 am, Your Brother John said:

    The KKK couldn’t have come up with better posters. Instead of killing their kids, let’s export capitalism.

  16. #16
    On December 9th, 2007 at 1:28 am, Christian Soldier said:

    Where are Jesse and AL when you need them? The founder of PP - Margaret Sanger - was a racist (not a term used in her time) who believed that certain undesirables should not be allowed to live or reproduce. Hitler chose her as his model to forward his movement of ridding the world of undesirables (gypsy,Jew,Christian-et.al.).
    PP is a loathsome organization.

  17. #17
    On December 9th, 2007 at 1:32 am, greenLibertarian said:

    Sad that a site with so many politically astute people can be so clueless about eco systems. The planet cannot support an infinite number of people, in fact it cannot sustain the current population.

    Top soils are depleted and vanishing, usable water supplies are dimishing, oceans are depleted of many fish species, …

    But you all are determined to close your minds to the dangers of excess population, just as your adversaries the liberals do with illegal immigration, terrorism, …

    A pox on both your houses!

  18. #18
    On December 9th, 2007 at 2:25 am, DocattheAutopsy said:

    greenLibertarian (#17) said: But you all are determined to close your minds to the dangers of excess population

    So better to indiscriminantly kill people rather than research methods of purification of salt water, increased farm production per acre, and alternative food resroucing?

    You know, about 20 well placed 1 MT nuclear warheads would rid this planet of much of its population. Let’s just do that and save the planet from 2 billion extra mouths to feed?

    Oh, wait, that’s right. That would be monstrous. Abortion is a much better alternative. /rollseyes

  19. #19
    On December 9th, 2007 at 3:06 am, Christian Soldier said:

    It is amazing to me how many libs are willing to shed someone elses innocent blood but are never willing to step up to the plate to shed their own.

  20. #20
    On December 9th, 2007 at 3:29 am, hadsil said:

    Someone has been watching “The Twelve Monkeys” too many times.

  21. #21
    On December 9th, 2007 at 3:42 am, WarTip said:

    I wonder how much of this is funded by the US Taxpayer? Also, just for the record; your status as a US taxpayer disqualifies you from “Victim” status and only indicates that you are part of the problem pocketbook that keeps on paying.

    The UN? Unless your 7Up (The UNCola) why would we want UN anything much less this UNAmerican institution? I can think of some place they can go but it ain’t Mogadishu!

  22. #22
    On December 9th, 2007 at 3:57 am, graysonret said:

    It shows that the morals and ethics of our society keep spiraling downward. We’re now down to killing babies to “save the planet”. If history repeats itself, as it does consistantly, then our society will eventually fall, to be replaced by some other culture. ChristianSoldier, it’s all politics and power. The libs are only interested in advancing their ideology. Abortions are a means to that end. Just a tool. Can’t have nuclear warheads, Docat. That would contribute to global warming. The carbon credits needed to offset it, would be astounding!

  23. #23
    On December 9th, 2007 at 4:19 am, blues said:

    I have an idea to solve the overpopulation problem,but I think I’d best keep it to myself.

  24. #24
    On December 9th, 2007 at 6:07 am, ProudGulfWarVet65 said:

    On December 9th, 2007 at 1:32 am, greenLibertarian said:

    Sad that a site with so many politically astute people can be so clueless about eco systems. The planet cannot support an infinite number of people, in fact it cannot sustain the current population.

    Top soils are depleted and vanishing, usable water supplies are dimishing, oceans are depleted of many fish species, …

    But you all are determined to close your minds to the dangers of excess population, just as your adversaries the liberals do with illegal immigration, terrorism, …

    A pox on both your houses!

    Oh for cripes sake-you’re evidently not in our time-stream here. The replacement rate in the ‘western world’ is not at parity, but the ‘third world’ is probably well above, even considering infant mortality rates. What would you propose to do-carpet bomb South America, southern Asia, and Africa for the good of Mother Earth?! You seem to make the assumption that all of these children Planned Infanticide want to prevent (for profit, BTW) are unwanted. Some may be unintended, but in many cases it’s not unlike it was here 100-150+ years ago…farm couples ‘breeding’ their help. That’s the way it was, whatever you may think of it; here in fly-over country it’s not at all uncommon to read an obit of someone who was 70+ at death and was preceded in death by eight or more siblings. We were a developing nation back then. See the connection?

    Cripes…Ron Paul should’ve been a veterinarian instead of an MD. He’s obviously adept at male bovine proctology.

  25. #25
    On December 9th, 2007 at 8:13 am, Dandapani said:

    RETROACTIVE ABORTION

  26. #26
    On December 9th, 2007 at 8:58 am, MDH3 said:

    to close your minds to the dangers of excess population,

    The world isn’t overpopulated. Matter of fact, we’re not even close. Birth rates are on a significant decline, particularly in Europe, India, Mexico, Brazil, South Korea, and Indonesia. Population increases here in the US are due to immigration, not rising birth rates; same in Germany, France, and Greece.

    A consortium of thirty US agricultural societies, in concert with the Rockefeller Foundation, in 1994 published a report which concluded the earth has the capacity to fee everyone, even if the population doubles to ten billion people.

    Regarding the second poster - there is something incredibly chilling about seeing children, particularly children of color, referred to as ‘burdens’. It’s also pretty paternalistic, the notion that PP knows better than a woman what she can or cannot carry.

  27. #27
    On December 9th, 2007 at 8:59 am, MDH3 said:

    feed! Not fee. Oy, sounds as though I’m advocating universal tax increases! Hee hee.

  28. #28
    On December 9th, 2007 at 9:26 am, pgtips said:

    Guys, can we not feed the trolls?

  29. #29
    On December 9th, 2007 at 9:33 am, almeehan said:

    Believe me there are enough militant muslim Nigerians running around killing already born adult Christians to handle the PP concern about overpopulation.

    The concern of the UN who sponsors this crap, should focus on aborting corrupt goverment officials who have Swiss bank accounts pregnant with their stolen funds (our tax money for development projects). Of course they are in bed with them. I sat in a restaurant in the DRC watching UN officials drinking their high price booze, and eating sumptuously while all around you could see poverty and corruption. There is enough land that produces food for more than the world population but the corruption, diamond, oil, gold, uranium etc. wars plus rapes by UN “peace-keepers” prevent any semblence of a stable society. The worse thing that happened to Africa was the removal of Western colonists–liberals caused it and now they want to kill the populations they say are the problem now! They will pay dearly when they see their Maker.

  30. #30
    On December 9th, 2007 at 10:00 am, The Raging Republican said:

    “Plan it for the Planet”

    Thus sayith the Goracle.

  31. #31
    On December 9th, 2007 at 10:01 am, Boomer said:

    I’m with oldtrooper we need to get out of the UN as soon as possible. Let them move to the one of the pleasure spots in the African continent.

    Millions have been murdered in the worst genocide in history thanks to planned parent hood. The only crime of these human beings was being conceived. I always wonder why liberals are so keen on murdering the innocent, but will go out of their way to defend the rights of a savage murderer.

  32. #32
    On December 9th, 2007 at 10:06 am, Laree said:

    These seeds, were planted in the 60s they are just bearing fruit now because of the baby boomers. Can you imagine the counter cultural rebellion, from the baby boomers children? I am looking forward to it. These adds are not subtle, pretty meat fisted if you ask me but I have said it before, these are not your parent’s pinkos.

  33. #33
    On December 9th, 2007 at 10:27 am, fourstringfuror said:

    On December 9th, 2007 at 1:32 am, greenLibertarian said:
    Sad that a site with so many politically astute people can be so clueless about eco systems. The planet cannot support an infinite number of people, in fact it cannot sustain the current population.

    Top soils are depleted and vanishing, usable water supplies are dimishing, oceans are depleted of many fish species, …

    But you all are determined to close your minds to the dangers of excess population, just as your adversaries the liberals do with illegal immigration, terrorism, …

    A pox on both your houses!

    You go first, moron. Show us how compassionate and kind you are to Mother Earth and off yourself.

    After all, it’s your problem, too.

  34. #34
    On December 9th, 2007 at 10:27 am, Rusty said:

    With the poverty in Nigeria, these advertisments make perfect sense. Nigerian people should have full access to birth control medication, condoms, IUDs, and, yes, even abortions. Some people can not afford to have a large amount of children and Planned Parenthood is helping them have the children they want.

    Are you seriously suggesting that Planned Parenthood advocating family planning is a bad thing? Have none of the commenters here calling these ads “evil” ever used a condom?

  35. #35
    On December 9th, 2007 at 10:34 am, fourstringfuror said:

    On December 9th, 2007 at 1:32 am, greenLibertarian said:

    Sad that a site with so many politically astute people can be so clueless about eco systems. The planet cannot support an infinite number of people, in fact it cannot sustain the current population.

    Top soils are depleted and vanishing, usable water supplies are dimishing, oceans are depleted of many fish species, …

    But you all are determined to close your minds to the dangers of excess population, just as your adversaries the liberals do with illegal immigration, terrorism, …

    A pox on both your houses!

    I’d also like to ask our good friend, before he commits sepuku for the good of the earth, what he thinks is an appropriate, Gaia-friendly number of children for each family? How many will it be, big guy? 1? 2? None? Who gets to make that decision? Are you going to crawl into my bed and make sure I’m rubberized before I copulate? Your arrogance stinks to high heaven.

  36. #36
    On December 9th, 2007 at 10:36 am, fourstringfuror said:

    On December 9th, 2007 at 10:27 am, Rusty said:
    With the poverty in Nigeria, these advertisments make perfect sense. Nigerian people should have full access to birth control medication, condoms, IUDs, and, yes, even abortions. Some people can not afford to have a large amount of children and Planned Parenthood is helping them have the children they want.

    Are you seriously suggesting that Planned Parenthood advocating family planning is a bad thing? Have none of the commenters here calling these ads “evil” ever used a condom?

    Overpopulation is your problem, too, according to our fetus hating friends at Planned Parenthood. What are you doing to solve the problem?

  37. #37
    On December 9th, 2007 at 11:05 am, Perk said:

    Despite my overall opposition to PP tactics in developed countries, I must say I’m not horrified by these ads, as most here purport to be. I have actually been in Nigeria, India, Rwanda, and Somalia. There any efforts to offer birth control methods (whether to children being raped by soldiers, or to mothers struggling to provide for five children) have to combat ignorance, superstitions, and indifference to suffering. There birth control is not a matter of “fetus hating”, but survival of families. I can not condemn any efforts in these societies to empower women to make decisions.

  38. #38
    On December 9th, 2007 at 11:06 am, sfcmac said:

    Birth control, anyone? Haven’t any of these third world countries heard of it? It would be nice if Planned Parenthood and other organizations promoted condoms and the Pill more than “feeding the children”. One of the main reasons the cesspool of Africa will probably never be in the same century as Western civilization, is the mass, unfettered production of millions of kids that end up killed in civil wars and die from starvation. Aside from the warlords, corruption, and tribal genocide, overpopulation just adds to the problem.

  39. #39
    On December 9th, 2007 at 11:07 am, Perk said:

    And by the way, we are not talking abortion here - health care is for those who can pay, and for survival, not abortions. We are talking about condoms, pills, patches, IUDs, etc.

  40. #40
    On December 9th, 2007 at 11:56 am, coldfront said:

    greenLibertarian Baby, this one’s for you!!

    “You can start immediately to eliminate the barely educated, unhealthy and poor segment of our country. There, I’ve said it.”
    Ron Weddington /(co-counsel in successfully arguing Roe v. Wade, Supreme Court 1973)

    There is a bigger eco-system…it is a Spiritual one called God’s Will. The REAL! problem is not population….it is obscene waste & GREED.

    sfcmac said:

    “..bla bla bla bla bla … the cesspool of Africa ..bla bla..”
    WOW!!! DUDE/DUDETTE please to be going HERE: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gwCkMrVEYGg

    always a good idea to THINK B4 U spout!!

  41. #41
    On December 9th, 2007 at 12:06 pm, graysonret said:

    Unfortunately, nature has ways to solve an overpopulation crisis with any species. If we become too much for the planet, she’ll solve the problem. History has shown that since ancient days. Overpopulation is another way to get 15 minutes of fame. Another one of those, “we’re all going to die, send grant money.” Between the meteors, earthquakes, volcanoes, global warming, tsunamis, and hurricanes, I doubt we need to worry over overpopulation.

  42. #42
    On December 9th, 2007 at 12:44 pm, BKennedy said:

    And here I thought those first teo posters were photoshop parodies.

    I love all the “family planning” trolls. Children are burdens. African people shouldn’t breed. Condoms and pills will solve everything!

    And if that doesn’t work, well, there’s always abortion.

    There is nothing empowering about birth control. The only people birth control empowers is women who want to be sluts and not pay the price, and men who are all too eager to use the pill’s promise to their sexual advantage as well.

  43. #43
    On December 9th, 2007 at 12:46 pm, jones said:

    In one of his books, the wonderful ethnologist Nigel Barley discussed a UN population-control worker speaking to a group of west africans in Ghana or Niger. The villagers went to see the movie as a diversion and were polite. Afterwards they all agreed the guy was insane for trying to promote such a foolish idea.

    I am sure the response is similar in this case.

  44. #44
    On December 9th, 2007 at 12:49 pm, jones said:

    Q: Why carry more burdens?

    A: Because those burdens will support the parents in their old age, idiot.

    Do these fools realize not everyone is from Manhattan?

  45. #45
    On December 9th, 2007 at 12:49 pm, Qwinn said:

    The Left sees human beings as burdens. The Right sees human beings as assets. This is probably the single most fundamental difference between the two philosophies. It shapes virtually every policy.

    Poor people throughout history have had lots and lots of children because after the initial period where they require more energy and attention to being raised, they produce and bring more into maintaining the family than they take away. In other words, the parents have them because they are assets, not burdens, which is why I’m sure many of them would look at that “Why more burdens?” ad and scratch their heads.

    One more side point: Is it just me, or is the drawing of the child with his head upturned toward his mother in that ad deliberately drawn to actually look like a monkey? Check out the sloping forehead and protruding jawline. I’ve seen monkeys and neanderthals drawn with a sihlouette like that, but not very often a human being.

    Qwinn

  46. #46
    On December 9th, 2007 at 1:10 pm, greenfairie said:

    They also forget that often not every child makes it to adulthood, unfortunately. That’s why families tend to be large and why culturally, kids are considered a blessing, not a curse.

    Overpopulation is the biggest bunch of hooey pushed on the planet over the past 100 years. These countries have problems with political instability and corruption, which produce and perpetuate poverty, not overpopulation.

  47. #47
    On December 9th, 2007 at 2:01 pm, Laree said:

    When Birth Control is introduced to a group of people, look at who they are targeting. I have witnessed Birth Control go hand in hand with Eugenics. The same people who claim they are for who they call, minorities and underpriviledged, are the same people that are trying to keep the same people’s seeds from continuing on God’s Green Earth.

    My point the elitist, feel superior, and think they have the right to decide who gets to reproduce and who doesn’t. This is cultural a backlash to the country swinging to the right after 9/11, and there will be another backlash to this - Socialist Cultural Movement. The elites are not for the underclass, they want to control the underclass, this is just one more example. No matter what the precieved lessening of suffering for the so called underprivledged NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO PLAY GOD, WITH OTHER HUMAN BEINGS LIVES!

    In the end the message from the elites is to the underclass, Stop using up MY natural resources. Yes, they are that arrogant, they believe everything was put here for them, and their benefit. They don’t want the great unwashed masses, messing with “Their World”

  48. #48
    On December 9th, 2007 at 3:07 pm, almeehan said:

    If we could isolate the liberal gene and have a good blood test for it, I’d favor abortion—not really– I guess God lets them live to see how arrogant & elite they can make themselves before He has to intervene.
    Again: scientific fact is there is enough aerable land to sustain more than the current world population. It is corrupt politicians & govt that are causing the problem(s). You liberals loved throwing out the Rhodesian govt and now we have Mugabe and the land turned sour. Shame on the likes of some of these liberal apologists staining this blog.

  49. #49
    On December 9th, 2007 at 4:27 pm, MDH3 said:

    Are you seriously suggesting that Planned Parenthood advocating family planning is a bad thing? Have none of the commenters here calling these ads “evil” ever used a condom?

    You’re the first person to use the word “evil” in the conversation. PP’s advocacy of ‘family planning’ isn’t what’s objectionable. What’s objectionable is the framing of the advocacy, i.e., children as ‘burdens’.

    Couple (heh, NPI) that with the fact that many of PP’s clients are poor and black - it smacks of eugenics.

  50. #50
    On December 9th, 2007 at 5:12 pm, brooklyn red said:

    I am not in favor of abortion, period.

    If those who can not afford children refrain from having them by choice, I can understand.

  51. #51
    On December 9th, 2007 at 5:23 pm, dakine said:

    BKennedy, are you saying that any woman who uses birth control is a “slut”? Just askin’, because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.

  52. #52
    On December 9th, 2007 at 5:39 pm, leepro said:

    re: #21 WarTip said:

    I wonder how much of this is funded by the US Taxpayer?

    From what I understand, Planned Parenthood enjoys huge U.S. government subsidies paid for by our taxes!!!

    :mad:

  53. #53
    On December 9th, 2007 at 6:00 pm, leepro said:

    re: #37 Perk said:

    Despite my overall opposition to PP tactics in developed countries, I must say I’m not horrified by these ads, as most here purport to be. I have actually been in Nigeria, India, Rwanda, and Somalia. There any efforts to offer birth control methods (whether to children being raped by soldiers, or to mothers struggling to provide for five children) have to combat ignorance, superstitions, and indifference to suffering. There birth control is not a matter of “fetus hating”, but survival of families. I can not condemn any efforts in these societies to empower women to make decisions.

    FYI: Abortion is not a “birth control method.” IT IS MURDER!

    Where is the concerted effort by missionaries, doctors, do-gooders to EDUCATE these people to stop f***ing every available & willing participant? Talk about empowerment… women already have empowerment!

    The word “NO!” is empowerment!
    If not that, then CONDOMS!
    If not that, then BIRTH CONTROL PILLS/DEVICES!

    Women are already adequately “empowered” without resorting to infanticide.

    /do not assume that I am male; I AM NOT!

  54. #54
    On December 9th, 2007 at 6:21 pm, HeatherRadish said:

    On December 9th, 2007 at 9:33 am, almeehan said:

    Believe me there are enough militant muslim Nigerians running around killing already born adult Christians to handle the PP concern about overpopulation.

    I believe it’s Mark Steyn who points out that after Europe aborts and “family limits” itself to extinction to “save the planet”, the Muslim hordes who don’t give a single shit about ecology will inherit said planet and treat it the same way they treat the Gaza strip, the Paris banlieus, the Iraqi wetlands, etc.

    Excellent work, hipster “greenie” morons!

  55. #55
    On December 9th, 2007 at 7:53 pm, Laree said:

    Birth Control at this scale is Social Engineering, now when we are referring to livestock, I will listen, when we are Speaking of HUMAN BEINGS forget it. We have Free Will. It matters not if these adds are for the best of intentions or not. No one has the right to decide for another person if they have the right to reproduce. The path way to hell is paved with good intentions.

  56. #56
    On December 9th, 2007 at 9:43 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    On December 9th, 2007 at 12:06 pm, graysonret said:

    Unfortunately, nature has ways to solve an overpopulation crisis with any species. If we become too much for the planet, she’ll solve the problem.

    Well said. I prefer to avoid nature’s extreme solution, however, of which there have been many examples that our friends here refuse to consider. Since we have no predators, other than ourselves, and that predation has not halted our population growth, we must regulate our population.

    Given our massive arsenal of weapons, we will either die from resource deprivation or by wars over what resources are left. So much easier to stabilize our population and gradually reduce it to sustainable levels, and reap the additional benefits of a much higher quality of life, with fresh air, water, space, and healthy food for all.

  57. #57
    On December 9th, 2007 at 11:00 pm, Rusty said:

    If those who can not afford children refrain from having them by choice, I can understand.

    Well, that’s the whole point. People see Planned Parenthood and immediately think “abortion.”

    Wrong.

    Contraception in some places is so far behind what we know; kudos to Planned Parenthood for trying to trach people how to use condoms and birth control.

    MM, you have people on this site calling women who use birth control “sluts”! That’s insane. Surely you expect better than that from your readers!

    And to the people who compare birth control to eugenics: ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME!? As if Planned Parenthood only preached birth control to Africa. They preach this everywhere. And good for them. Some people can not afford more children. In fact, these children are indeed burdens. It’s nice in America where even if we can’t afford more mouths to feed we’re covered by the government. But that’s not the case in the Third World. There, these people need condoms to survive.

    How dare you people criticize these people receiving birth control. Using a condom does not equate to murder. In many cases condoms save lives. To call that murder is offensive.

  58. #58
    On December 10th, 2007 at 5:51 am, Qwinn said:

    All bow to the Church of the Tastily Flavored Prophylactic!

    How someone can be “offended” for the sake of a penis raincoat is beyond me, but it’s pretty damn funny. Hopefully, someday, the condoms will forgive us for our insensitive words.

    I would think calling human beings “burdens” is transparently far more offensive, but that’s just me.

    And I wouldn’t necessarily say birth control is eugenics. But abortion sure as hell is.

    Oh, and the post causing all the consternation didn’t say that everyone who uses birth control is a “slut”. She said the only people being -empowered- by birth control are sluts. I’m not sure how I can agree with that. There’s plenty of people who aren’t sluts using birth control, sure, but how the hell are they being “empowered” by it? The notion is just plain silly.

    Qwinn

  59. #59
    On December 10th, 2007 at 5:52 am, Qwinn said:

    Er, sorry, meant “I’m not sure how I can disagree with that.”

    Qwinn

  60. #60
    On December 10th, 2007 at 6:52 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Rusty:

    Are you aware of Margaret Sanger’s beliefs? She was a HUGE racist and believed strongly in eugenics - she even spoke to the KKK on a few occasions, and desired to “cull the herd”.

    Every three days, more African American children are aborted than the KKK killed in their entire history. And you don’t believe at least SOME of Sanger’s eugenic teachings have survived?

    I don’t buy for one second that Planned Parenthood is more about contraception than they are abortion. You get more federal funding for abortions than you do passing out condoms.

    And neither the pill nor condoms work effectively 100% of the time - and people have to be willing to use them properly and consistently time and again. If and when they fail, then what? Oh yeah…the old “stand by”: abortion. Or having members of the UN wonder why AIDS and STDs are still spreading, despite all the free condoms.

    If people use contraception, fine. But they have to understand their are failure rates associated with them. The only thing that works 100% of the time is abstinence.

    As someone mentioned above, getting the UN to re-direct funds so money goes to help people rather than bloat the bank accounts of corrupt government officials would make a world of difference. Does anyone have the stats on how much of an actual donation actually makes it to the citizens and isn’t eaten up by program costs, corruption, etc.?

    I don’t know the laws in Africa, but Planned Parenthood is in a boatload of trouble here for - among other things - violating laws concerned reporting abuse.

    Or what about the women who aren’t lucky enough to walk out of a Planned Parenthood and live to tell the tale? Is it just a “tragic byproduct” of a necessary thing?

    I believe it’s Mark Steyn who points out that after Europe aborts and “family limits” itself to extinction to “save the planet”, the Muslim hordes who don’t give a single shit about ecology will inherit said planet and treat it the same way they treat the Gaza strip, the Paris banlieus, the Iraqi wetlands, etc.

    Well said, HeatherRadish. Some will never buy what Planned Parenthood sells, and they’ll be the ones who shut down Planned Parenthood.

    I believe there are people who cannot - for financial reasons or whatever - have children. Fine.

    But to treat people like animals who just have to have sex as their unalienable right - when doing so has consequences - and then giving them an out via something that violates the sanctity and dignity of human life (both the unborn and the women) is unacceptable.

    As for the “abort to save the planet” movement, a few questions:

    1. Wasn’t “saving the planet” supposed to be FOR the children? Or just the select few greenies deem worthy of life?

    2. If the green movement came out and said we should kill homeless people and the elderly to help save the planet, wouldn’t you be appalled? Then why aren’t you when they kill children to “save the planet”?

  61. #61
    On December 10th, 2007 at 7:05 am, Cameron said:

    #55

    No one has the right to decide for another person if they have the right to reproduce.

    Sadly, a lot of women still run into problems with that. There are doctors who won’t give consenting adults sterilization because “they are too young to make this decision” or “they haven’t met the right man.” Then you add pharmacists who decide that they suddenly have a “moral objection” to filling out birth control prescriptions. I agree; no one has the right to make this decision for another, but it’s still being done even in the U.S..

  62. #62
    On December 10th, 2007 at 8:19 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Sad that a site with so many politically astute people can be so clueless about eco systems. The planet cannot support an infinite number of people, in fact it cannot sustain the current population.

    Sad, that you thought bringing your doomsday scenario to a site “with so many politically astute people” would fly. Then, to top it off, you attempt to justify abortion because it’s what the planet wants (to a conservative crowd no less) and are surprised that no one agrees with you. Right…

    Top soils are depleted and vanishing, usable water supplies are dimishing, oceans are depleted of many fish species, …

    Last I checked water fell from the sky.
    “In many ways, nature's hydrologic cycle provides an excellent model of water reuse and recycling for water managers. For billions of years the Earth has naturally "reused" water through its hydrologic cycle, which continuously cycles water from the sea, to air and land, and back to the sea. * Almost every drop of water that falls on land eventually returns to the oceans. There is as much water on Earth today as there ever was—or ever will be. Thus, every glass of water consumed contains water molecules that have been used countless times before. In this way, all water on Earth can be seen as being reused again and again.”

    But you all are determined to close your minds to the dangers of excess population, just as your adversaries the liberals do with illegal immigration, terrorism, …

    The great mystery has been solved by the green Libertarian. If we want to live happy, healthy lives all one needs to do is abstain from procreating. Whodathunkit?

    A pox on both your houses!

    That’s mature.

  63. #63
    On December 10th, 2007 at 9:27 am, Laree said:

    Rusty

    You bet I compare Birth Control on this level, targeting Minorities and Poor People, Eugenics, they are not calling for the wealthy to stop procreating! Talk about being BLIND!! I can list countless websites, that will show sterilization and birth control used on many minorities in our own country. Look at Freakenomics who was impacted by the freedom to have an abortion? mostly minorities. Thank you for making my point for me, that no one has the right to decide for another Human Being if they have the right to procreate.

  64. #64
    On December 10th, 2007 at 9:52 am, MDH3 said:

    And to the people who compare birth control to eugenics: ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME!?

    Do you have reading comprehension problems?

    Allow me to restate:

    1. PP’s advocacy of ‘family planning’ isn’t what’s objectionable.

    2. What’s objectionable is the framing of the advocacy, i.e., children as ‘burdens’.

    3. Couple (heh, NPI) that with the fact that many of PP’s clients are poor and black - it smacks of eugenics.

    Now. Tell me how those three statements led you to surmise I equated birth control with eugenics. Move your lips while you’re reading, if that’ll help.

  65. #65
    On December 10th, 2007 at 9:54 am, Rusty said:

    You people are honestly suggesting that birth control is the same thing as eugenics? If you think that, you are a dummy. I had no idea that using birth control when I “get down” with my lady made me a KKK supporter.

    In America, a plurality of abortions are performed on white women. In 1995, it was estimated that 58% of abortions in America were performed on white women. That’s eugenics?

    Englishqueen, you’re writing about Planned Parenthood here in America. It’s apples and oranges when compared to the problems in Africa. Where using a condom is seen as undesirable and people don’t know how to properly apply one. Where people don’t have the training to successfully take birth control and get their pills refilled. Where the AIDS rate is astronomical. Where poverty is astronomical. Where more mouths to feed can really be the difference between life and death.

    You insinuate you want everyone in Africa to remain abstinent. This is ridiculous. It would be one thing if we were dealing only with American teenagers. Abstinence is a pipe dream, but a desirable pipe dream. But here we’re talking about adults. Some of whom are married. Should married people not have sex because they don’t know how to properly use birth control or should someone teach them how to properly use birth control? The latter is considerably more desirable. Because having sex is a human right. Having responsible sex is that much better. Planned Parenthood is supporting responsible sex. Good for them and shame on anyone who thinks that’s a bad thing.

  66. #66
    On December 10th, 2007 at 9:57 am, Rusty said:

    3. Couple (heh, NPI) that with the fact that many of PP’s clients are poor and black - it smacks of eugenics.

    Now. Tell me how those three statements led you to surmise I equated birth control with eugenics.

    Yeah, how could I come up with such a wacky conclusion.

    Many of Planned Parenthood’s clients are poor because those same people are much more likely to not have health care. In that case, PP is one of the only places that people can turn to. That’s not eugenics, that’s helping someone in financial straits.

    Also, calling children “burdens” would be terrible here in America where we have much better safety nets. In Africa, not so much. The language is a little harsh but it’s by no means inaccurate. Not everyone in Africa can be so lucky as to have a celebrity whisk their children away to a life of luxury.

  67. #67
    On December 10th, 2007 at 10:14 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    #65 Rusty said: You insinuate you want everyone in Africa to remain abstinent. This is ridiculous. It would be one thing if we were dealing only with American teenagers. Abstinence is a pipe dream, but a desirable pipe dream.

    It’s not a pipe dream - it’s a reality.

    Here’s a follow-up.

    “Abstinence is often dismissed as a potential prevention method. Condom promotion and “safe-sex” initiatives have long been thought to be the answer to stopping the spread of HIV: Instead of encouraging people to curb their libidos, these initiatives have tried to provide “safer” ways of exercising them. However, in many African nations condoms aren’t looked upon kindly: there are a variety of urban legends that circulate in some regions that condoms are either ethnic cleansing tools or actually spread HIV themselves.”

    “The abstinence initiative in Uganda goes far beyond those who are already having sex — it starts with the education and promotion of an abstinence program for youth called “True Love Waits.” Thirty thousand Ugandan youth are currently involved with the program. Launched in Uganda in 1994, True Love Waits focuses on abstinence until marriage as a way to prevent all sorts of adverse consequences associated with extra-marital sexual activity.”

    And it is working…

  68. #68
    On December 10th, 2007 at 10:21 am, angryoldfatman said:

    In America, a plurality of abortions are performed on white women. In 1995, it was estimated that 58% of abortions in America were performed on white women. That’s eugenics?

    Considering that whites make up over 70% of the U.S. population, yes, yes it does make it eugenics.

    If you are an African-American fetus, you are about twice as likely to get chopped up like hamburger than your white counterparts.

  69. #69
    On December 10th, 2007 at 10:25 am, Rusty said:

    30pcs, that’s all well and good for teenagers. Adults? Married adults? Not so much. The urban legends about condoms persist. In a country with such an absurdly high AIDS rate, an absurdly high poverty rate, and in an area known for infidelity with marriages, abstinence isn’t nearly enough.

  70. #70
    On December 10th, 2007 at 10:28 am, Laree said:

    The above adds are not targeting wealthy white people. The left is always critizing the right for trying to control people’s bodies. If the above add isn’t about controlling people’s bodies, then what is it. Tell me it is Humane to curb births in 3rd world countrys, and I repeat who has the right to decide who gets to reproduce?

  71. #71
    On December 10th, 2007 at 10:34 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Many of Planned Parenthood’s clients are poor because those same people are much more likely to not have health care. In that case, PP is one of the only places that people can turn to. That’s not eugenics, that’s helping someone in financial straits.

    You are being rather disingenious Rusty. You act as if PP doesn’t have a notorious past and present. To say that PP “is one of the only places that people can turn to” is false and you know it. If you aren’t aware, then you should do more research before your next post.

    I submit to you that both men and women can and have turned to them.

    Care-Net’s work has cost PP millions of dollars. You want to hold PP up as a worthy organization - you will be met with resistance. More here.

    “Abortions in our inner cities
    are at epidemic proportions. In many cities,
    abortions outnumber live births. Sadly,
    Hispanic and black women make up 25%
    of the female population and account for
    52% of the abortions. Recognizing that
    over 70% of the nation’s abortion clinics
    are located in minority neighborhoods, Care
    Net is strategically planting new pregnancy
    centers in these urban communities.”

  72. #72
    On December 10th, 2007 at 10:36 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On December 10th, 2007 at 10:25 am, Rusty said:
    30pcs, that’s all well and good for teenagers. Adults? Married adults? Not so much. The urban legends about condoms persist. In a country with such an absurdly high AIDS rate, an absurdly high poverty rate, and in an area known for infidelity with marriages, abstinence isn’t nearly enough.

    You didn’t bother to read any of the article that I provided nor did you do any research of your own. You don’t care about the facts or the truth. if you did you would know that “Adults, Married Adults partake in these programs as well.

    You can’t argue with results. Sorry but it just isn’t going to fly.

  73. #73
    On December 10th, 2007 at 10:37 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Looky here.

    In Australia, they’re proposing a tax of $5,000 per child and an annual fee of $800/year for people who have more than two children.

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22896334-2,00.html

    Who says the green movement isn’t about making money and controlling other people’s lives?

  74. #74
    On December 10th, 2007 at 10:37 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    post #72 should have read; that adults, married adults partake in these programs as well.

  75. #75
    On December 10th, 2007 at 10:53 am, Rusty said:

    So married adults shouldn’t have sex is your argument? And you don’t see the problem there?

  76. #76
    On December 10th, 2007 at 11:48 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Obviously that isn’t my argument but feel free to shoot the messenger.

    Like I stated above, you can’t argue with results.

  77. #77
    On December 11th, 2007 at 10:40 pm, bagoh20 said:

    I think abortion is a terrible choice, and wish all such children were adopted instead, BUT the earth does have a limit to it’s carrying capacity. The planet does not need 10 or 20 billion people and it will be a lesser world and life for all if we get there. I think we are currently a little past where I would like to see the population. We need space and plenty of unpopulated area. If you disagree how many is too many? Nearly Every problem on earth gets worse with more people. Sorry it’s just the truth. deal with it.

  78. #78
    On December 24th, 2007 at 3:26 pm, ThatSamIAm said:

    I’ll never understand how we got to this point. People care more about animals than they do unborn children. And they feel no shame in destroying an unborn baby but will still call themselves Christians. Matthew 18:10 “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven.” Call it a fetus but it’s still a baby and no matter how people explain it away they will have to answer to God for it.

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