Race crimes in Baltimore: Bus beating victim under witness protection; noose hoax fallout
The black youth mob assault on a white, homeless bus passenger remains a hot-button topic in Baltimore. The local Fox affiliate had an exclusive interview with the beating victim, Sarah Kreager. She details how the accused assailants called her and her boyfriend “white crackers” and “white m-f-ers. According to the report, wounds on her head had to be stapled shut:
According to the Baltimore Sun, Kreager has been placed in a witness protection program:
A law enforcement source close to the investigation said yesterday that Kreager, who is homeless, has entered the state’s attorney’s office’s witness assistance program because officials are concerned for her safety.
The Sun also provides a few details on how the incident might have escalated. Apparently, Kreager had an eye injury before the beating that the accused assailants mocked; it appears during the dragging/punching/beating, they went after her injured eye–breaking bones in her face around the injured eye, in addition to bruising her ribs and causing the head wounds that had to be stapled. Investigators are examining surveillance camera tape as part of the probe. The MTA police continue to probe the racial angle, though the prosecutors’ office remains more circumspect:
As the 26-year-old woman beaten on a public bus by nine middle school students was put into witness protection yesterday, conflicting accounts raised questions about whether the attack was racially motivated.
One of the girls charged in the assault told The Sun yesterday that there were no racial overtones in Tuesday’s after-school incident on West 33rd Street, insisting that no racial slurs were exchanged.
The victim, Sarah Kreager, told The Sun in a telephone interview last night that she feels race might have played a part in the attack, but she said the events spiraled out of control because the adolescents became caught up in actions of their peers.
“A woman at a corner house came out, and she saved my life. I think they would have killed me,” Kreager said.
Maryland Transit Administration officials stood by their earlier statement that they are investigating the attack as a possible hate crime - though they did not release any specifics.
But the city state’s attorney’s office declined to confirm that prosecutors are looking at racial bias as a possible factor in the attack.
Meantime, the Sun’s Gregory Kane excoriates black city officials who jumped all over the recent noose incident that turned out to be a hate crime hoax:
Marvin “Doc” Cheatham, president of the Baltimore chapter of the NAACP, said the noose and notes were threats and that the matter “had to go federal,” as in the guilty party being charged with a federal hate crime.
Henry Burris, president of the Vulcan Blazers, said, “Whoever perpetrated it, whether they know it or not, this has reached the level of a federal hate crime.”
Mayor Sheila Dixon said she was “outraged by this deplorable act of hatred and intimidation. … Threats and racial attacks are unacceptable anywhere - especially in a firehouse.”
Subsequent investigation revealed it was [troubled black firefighter Donald] Maynard who put the noose and the note in the fire station. How did Cheatham, Burris and Dixon react to this news?
Cheatham: “It really saddens us to hear that evidently things have reached a stage that even an African-American does an injustice to himself and his own people as a result of a negative culture in that department.”
Burris: “I’m extremely upset. I believed [Maynard] was telling the truth.”
Dixon, through her spokesman, Sterling Clifford, said that she was “pleased to find out that, in fact, there wasn’t a threat of that nature made” and that she was “disappointed” in Maynard.
Let me get this straight: As long as the suspect was thought to be a white guy, this incident was a threatening act of hatred and intimidation that warranted calling down the wrath of the feds. But since it turned out to be a black guy, now Cheatham, Burris and Dixon are saddened, upset and disappointed. Whatever happened to Burris’ assessment of the situation?
I’ll run that by you again, in case you didn’t get it the first time.
“Whoever perpetrated it, whether they know it or not, this has reached the level of a federal hate crime.”
It strikes me that Maynard comes under that category of “whoever.” And I’m not alone.
“Whether it’s a black member of the department or a white member, it’s still a hate crime,” said Stephan Fugate, who’s president of a union for Baltimore’s fire officers. “If I had put the noose there, whatever penalty would have been directed at me should have been directed toward Mr. Maynard as well.”
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She was put in a witness protection program?!?
Sounds like there’s a lot more going on here than meets the eyes (or is reported).
Something like that would seem, to me, to indicate she’s received death threats or such *since* the attack. Probably by friends or family of the stupid worthless animals that did it in the first place.
And the individuals in the so-called “judicial system” that are pretending to investigate this incident can burn in hell. It was a hate crime and they know it.
If a bunch of white kids attacked a black woman and even mentioned a word that rhymed with the “n word” they would be facing all sorts of hate crime accusations.
This problem is so totally out of control it can only lead to more violence and death. Such a sad state that our country has fallen into.
I wish I could say I’m surprised about the events in both stories.
I really wish there wasn’t such an obvious double standard, but here we are. Multiculturalism and race baiting have done more damage to a civil society than we realize. God help us all.
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Where’s Al? Where’s Jesse? Where’s the outrage?
Oh yeah, she’s white.
Crickets chirping.
I’m quite sure the explanation in both of these acts will come down to “misguided and troubled” to describe all the perpetrators. Sounds sort of pessimistic, but when you’ve heard it a hundred times that’s what you expect to hear.
It will be interesting to see what is on the bus surveillence tape and to see whose version of the truth is confirmed.
If the state does choose to bring up attempted murder charges against the BC9, we can definately count on the good reverands showing up for a protest march. I am waiting for them to come back to West Memphis, AR for the f/u to the police shooting of Duante Farrow.
The officers have been cleared by the DOJ, and the state DA for violating Daunte’s civil rights.
According to the newsclip the kids can’t be charged as adults for the assualt-then hopefully Sarah will be fianancially compensated for her medical bills by the parents of these “angels”, and not have to spend years trying to do it.
GSP
What!! WHAT!! Those punks were racist? Say it ain’t so. I thought it was only white people who were racist.
Noticed that the transit people were going to put additional security on certain routes. Wonder what sort of profile they are following to insure the safety of riders?? Probably going to put additional security on those lines that run exclusively through white neighborhoods full of old Jewish pensioners eh? After all we wouldn’t want to profile black folks…
Yes the above is ugly but we have been trying the nice route for a long time. Maybe its time to face reality, blacks have a much higher propensity to violence than whites. We are not doing anyone any favors by hiding behind the baloney that black crime rates are the product of white racism. Tis not.
By doing so we will save both future white victims and even more black victims. Matter of fact Guiliani saved 850 black mens lives that David Dinkins was willing to throw away by cracking down on crime.
NYPD frisked blacks at 5 times rate of whites…anyone look at Justice Department statistics for homicide victims lately?
Why should Al & Jesse be there? Asking them to show up is like asking Michelle to blog every time an illegal immigrant does something good like the guy who saved the little boy’s life in AZ.
I don’t believe in coincidence… Perhaps the good people of the city of Baltimore have lost their way & martial law is in order. Perhaps a few hundred Federal
troopsobservers would help to make sure the childern have a safe and happyholiday seasonwinter.Once again our justice system is turned upside down. The victim is now in witness protection and the savages that committed this crime get the run of the streets. Thanks for the follow-up Michelle we are getting absolutely no news in our neck of the woods. Other events in Colorado have overshadowed everything else that might be in the news.
Uhhh, Mookie could could you explain… I think I may have misunderstood you…
Jesse and Al’s concern is showing up when they think there’s some kind of racial injustice. Asking them to show up in case like this would be stupid because it defeats their purpose. Michelle said she had no reason to cover the story of the illegal alien who rescued the boy because she’s trying to counterbalance the MSM’s sympathy toward aliens. To cover the story about the guy would have defeated her purpose.
Now, now, those poor oppressed youths were just reacting to 400 years of slavery and second-class citizenhood in the racist land that is AmeriKKKa. To punish them will only confirm that people of color will always be in the back of society’s bus.
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Well my gosh there is a racial injustice here…just like in Jena. That girls face kept running into those thugs fists and feet. She dirtied up their Nikes.
OK, I get it, sorta…
Ah, the fact that her eye had been previously injured. will that further lessen the penalty these hooligans face? Or here is a novel thought, I don’t care if her eye was hanging out of her head when they saw her, they need punished severely! They only mention her previous injury to make it seem as though she wasn’t hurt that bad. Utterly disgusting.
I think they mentioned it because it’s one of the things the kids were taunting her about.
I wonder when they’re going to release the video tape from the bus?
Well how did she get the previous injury anyway… hmmmmmm
I would like to see a Federal statute mandating a 10 yr sentence for all crimes violating bodily integrity, that is on top of all other offences.
Don’t scoff… the feminists may go for this.
It is a shame that groups that pretend to be about the civil rights of Americans interest when the rights violated are those of a homeless female, because of the color of her skin. Where is NOW?
NOW is at an Edwards rally
You’ll never see or hear from poverty pimps Jackson and Sharpton decrying the heinous act…
Cheatham: “It really saddens us to hear that evidently things have reached a stage that even an African-American does an injustice to himself and his own people as a result of a negative culture in that department.”
Translation: It’s still whitey’s fault.
Legally, you take your victim as you find her/him. Prior injuries such as her eye
legally is not supposed to have any bearing on the case anymore than the fact that
those creatures might not have the best home lives in Baltimore should even be
mentioned during a trial.
I said when this was first reported that these “kids” forfeited their legal protection as “children” when they attacked an adult. It is outrageous, based on what we know, that these miscreants were only charged with aggrevated assault! The injuries to the victim alone makes this crime a high felony, in addition, being carried off the bus against her will, is kidnapping. This better be charged correctly, or more stuff will hit the fan than you can imagine.
Cheatham, Burris and Dixon are as much a part of the problem as the gaggle of lawless thugs roaming the streets and mass transit systems of bawmer. A virtual cesspool with the odor of liberals and racists (often one in the same)stirring the muck. With the leaders attitudes and public declarations the black thugs of this city will only feel vindication for any act they perpetrate. I wonder what the oath of office for these officials contains these days, certainly not to protect citizens from all enemies foreign and domestic! Such perfidious conduct. They should be tried for crimes against humanity.
Baltimore has a serious mess on it’s hands. Those “middle school” thugs, if possible, should be tired as adults. And the fireman should face Federal Hate Crime charges. Throw the book at all of them. Otherwise, this will spiral out of control.
When I read that the victim was a homeless person, it felt like deja vu. Last year, here in Florida we had a couple of high profile cases of savage beatings of homeless people, leading to one dying as a result of the brutality of the attacks. Please read The Christian Science Monitor of Oct. 18 2006. Just google it, I’m not savvy enough to link, but if you read this, you’ll get more insight into the motivation of the attack on this poor woman.
I cited this before but it fits here. A woman had her identity stolen by an illegal
Mexican. When she finally got it together enough to point the authorities in the
direction of the woman, she was arrested. The thief’s lawyer, when asked about
the victim and how her client felt about what she had done, said, “They are both
victims.”
This is what is going to happen when these miscreants come to trial, if they come to
trial. We are going to hear about the young woman being a victim from the DA’s
office and we are going to hear about the poor little black victims from the defense
attorneys.
If they aren’t tried as adults, their cases will be heard in family court and no one will know what happened except for their sentences or lack of sentences.
http://csmonitor.com/2006/1018/p09s03-coop.html
read this
Get over it.
She is white, so it’s her fault…
She is a woman, so it’s her fault…
The attackers are only chillllldren, her fault too…
Now I hope she learns to cover up & stay home(less) next time she gets gang raped & 200 lashes-just like god wanted.
(sarcasm, don’t lynch me)
You hanging out in the yard again, Red? Of course it will be her fault. She infuriated
those little darlings by bringing her beat up eye onto the bus and forcing them to
look at her eye trying to be black like them. they were probably just trying to wipe
off what they thought was makeup she was wearing just to dis them.
Gee, like I said, I have not heard of any beat down of that nature where “Cracka” or other similar racist terms not being used. And even with this woman being placed in protective custody, witness protection or whatever else you want to call it, she STILL is not being treated as a hate crime victim?
Why does she need to be placed in such protective measures? Surely it isn’t because they love her and want to laud her with awards at the next BET ceremony. Could it be that the black community is gunning for her and want to finish the job these juvenile delinquents started in order to silence her in such a way as to make sure that she is unable to prosecute against them in some misguided form of street justice? I don’t know, I am playing this as if I was a Liberal and the sides were reversed, and not real good at it. There must be some sort of conspiracy behind it. It is obviously the black man trying to shut her up. Why aren’t the tapes being shown? What cause would these children, these innocent young children have to pick on and mock a poor, residentially challenged urban nomad woman like her with an obvious disability? Are they sure they were mocking her and refusing her a seat? in her obvious inability to see, could she not have been mistaken and they have been offering her their seat and thus, being so mistaken, spit on them and then brandished the knife she uses to protect herself on the street?
Just saying. Let’s ask Rusty. He would better know how these things work. After all, I don’t think he would think anyone would be offended by being called a “white cracka” now would they? He probably uses the term all the time. After all, UON uses it alot as does many other television programs. It is a really nice accxeptable racist term for white people.
Heck, it is even used in a children’s movie, to the point where they ised it in the trailers on TV. You know, where Chris Rock playing the Zebra in “Madagascar” saw the island for the first time and declared that the place was “Cracka-lackin”…meaning it was so wonderful because it was without white folks. Now that’s some good old fashioned down home family racism. But hey, we can take it. After all, look what whitey did for so long, right?
It’s all good. No need to treat this as anything other than some kids being rambunctious. You know, kids will be kids and all. What can you do? Parents blame the schools, schools blame the parents, cops blame both. Thew woman is homeless…the media does nothing since she is white. It will all blow over. :iberals will ignore it and everyone will ignore Conservatives because het…we are evil incarnate, right? Just ask the Liberals here. Just another emotional diatribe, right guys?
No, go ahead…you guys go ahead and explain your side of this. Go ahead and tell us why this is different that all the other blather you have spewed forth soncerning Jena Six and the other racism posts on here in the last month or so. I am DYING to hear it. So far, you have been reeeeeeeal quiet.
A. I am still wondering how her eye was “injured” in the first place…
B. Why is not the local DA up to his(her?) butt in e-mails?
If you gotta chose where to make a stand this seems like a good place.
jus sayin
Uh, Guys…we won’t get to see the tapes. Remember these sweet children are
juveniles. Unless they decide to try them as adults, well, no lookee at the tape.
We won’t hear from the trolls either. And they aren’t juveniles. Well…chronologically anyway.
That must be it. The entire black community of Baltimore wants to finish the job.
Throw. The. Book. At. Them! Do it now otherwise they’ll be back with a vengeance with more victims in their wake. These kids have no authority figures in their life — regardless if they were released into the custody of their parents, which means nothing to me anymore.
Where is OBOMA!?
I doubt the entire black community of Baltimore is gunning for her, but I don’t
doubt the at least one hothead has mouthed off. Could even be that the kids
themselves have threatened to finish the job, especially if she testifies against
them. Chronologically they are children and I would bet will be tried as children
if they are tried. With so many children involved, they may be trying to get some
of the children to testify against the others.
As I said before, legally you take your victim as you find her/him. If you beat up a
man with a heart condition and even if the beating isn’t fatal, but the man dies of
a heart attack as a result of the beating..well, you cannot come back and say, but
he already had a heart condition when I started beating on him and I didn’t beat him that badly.
mookie, you puzzle me…
Mookie is a puzzle within a conundrum inside an enigma…….
Puzzle you how? The idea that the black community in Baltimore has it our for this woman is silly. A couple of idiots do not represent an entire community.
I thought I was kinda dull.
Mookie…I hope you read the whole thing where I said I was attempting to be a Liberal…
I read the whole thing but I don’t think a liberal would say the entire black community was out to finish the job. They’d say that she’s in protective custody because she’s obviously a threat to those children and the media is trying to cover it up.
OK, your just sarcastic… cool.
Well I can’t speak for Baltimore, but a couple of leaders in Brooklyn could make your life uhhh, challenging…
Well, I think you missed the satire entirely.
And you’re apparently missing mine.
Retfireman-
I got your satire and its better than the reruns on tv
On topic:
No law abiding adult deserves to be hit by a “child” that knows right from wrong and has the physical strength to do mortal/OR/fatal damage to them. Witness intimiation is not a new concept and if the authorities have her in protective custody, then they must have received crediable indications of a threat.
Don’t give a cookie to the mookie :p
—In other words don’t feed the trollete!
GSP
How am I trolling? I get that Ret was trying to be funny. So was I. I think we’re all on the same page here.
The word is, keep your mouth shut or a gang member will shut it for you. Diversity is the mother of incompetence and Baltimore’s law enforcement shows it. Sarah Kreagers’ life may well be endanger. In fact all human life in the east coast crime belt is in danger. Philadelphia has ask for volunteers to patrol the streets. They need thousands and got slightly more than one hundred (they may observe the Bush patrol rules of no guns and no bullets). I guess it’s just not politically correct to ask MS-13 members if they are in the country legally (and don’t profile them). That’s a job for the feds. But it looks like the BC9 are birds coming home to do what ever they can get away with. They are the children of a privileged sub-culture and diversity. They can’t blame slavery and they can’t blame the white bread. They are what they are.
I mentioned the “previously injured eye” because once this goes to court (?) the defense will try to downplay the injury these rotten kids did to her eye. It will become a question of how bad was the eye to begin with??? Did these wonderful youths cause THAT much damage or was it already in really bad shape??? That’s all.
Not to fear, jesse and Al will arrive as soon as the araignment - they will claim racism and be rightous as usual.
Blacks have been preying on the rest of America for 40 years. And the rest of America are the criminals to the authorities.
Just think of the teachers that have to deal with this pack of savages. If they go to school. Middle school is 12-13 years old and a lot of them are already adult size.
It’s like Lord of the Flies.
The American Dream!
Concerned parent uses corporal punishment to discipline their child. Guilty for the crime of Child Abuse.
Said child, lacking discipline and goes on a rampage. The parents are still guilty of child abuse or perhaps child neglect.
Child put in state approved foster care, indoctrinated into the liberal/victim/socialist dependency government and becomes yet another budding socialist sucking at the taxpayer teat.
Armed person defends them self (or others) from undisciplined and victimized individual and is guilty of a crime because the incident which led to this “victim” becoming a statistic left them no other options in life.
Politics as USUAL? Normal?
Illegal aliens and terrorists are afforded rights per the Constitution (Even though the Constitution is designed to restrict the powers of a federally centralized government and does not “grant” rights to the citizens) but citizens are nailed to the cross even for perceived thoughts?
Sounds to me like there have been too many
controlled substancesparty favors in both political parties.They committed a heinous crime and offered no mercy and no quarter against a(n allegedly) defenseless individual. Why can’t we offer them the same in a court of law in a nation of laws? Race, color, upbringing, (lack of?) discipline are all irrelevant. If they have shown themselves to be a menace to society remove them from that society.
Problem solved.
But no, we have to allow everyone (Except the law-abiding citizens) share in the American Dream right?
#7, #11 Mookie said:
Because they are civil rights leaders,and this poor woman’s civil rights were violated.
Asking Al and Jesse to show up and defend the civil rights of a violated American citizen is equal to asking Michelle to compliment the kind action of an illegal alien? Ok, “thank you Mr. illegal alien.” Now, where are Jesse and Al?
Precisely, like the injustice of nine animals ganging up and beating the snot out of a helpless victim of another race…because of her race. Does that pass the “racial injustice” sniff test for you? If so, then again, where are Jesse and Al?
To the contrary, representing this victim of such brutal and racial injustice would only strengthen Jesse and Al’s purpose…if their purpose is to be defenders of civil rights in the fight against racial injustice.
Actually, I have never seen Michelle claim to be a leader, champion, or defender of non-US citizens who illegally cross our borders and break our immigration laws. I am quite familiar with Jesse and Al’s frequent claims to be “civil rights leaders” and defenders against “racial injustice.”
Therefore, I see no reason why Jesse and Al are not lending their support to the violated civil rights of this poor white woman, and crying out for Federal investigation into the racial injustice perpetrated against her by those nine adolescent animals…unless they base their clientèle solely upon the color of their skin and not by the content of their character…hmmmm?
Mook, I hope these quick pointers help in strengthening your ability to rationalize, particularly in such an emotional yet clear cut case.
That was my entire point. Al and Jesse would never show up to defend that poor woman that was beaten because they’re not interested in her civil rights. It would be completely out of character for them to do so because they’re not interested in the civil rights of all Americans. Only black Americans. Michelle is one of the leading voices on fixing the immigration situation, strengthening our immigration laws and fixing the damn borders. If she started blogging about people like the guy that saved the kid, not only would it be out of character but it would be self-defeating. Look how fast she’d be branded a traitor. Same would happen with the Revs if they spoke out.
There is one important difference, though. Michelle’s cause is noble. The Revs? Not so much.
The NAALCP (liberal colored persons), Al, and Jesse are not interested in black civil rights either. It’s all “how can I profit by this?” followed by, “I need the exposure to enhance my political power.” Nothing else matters. The pot must be constantly stirred in order to keep them in the MSM limelight. They could care less about the kids or the woman. It is all, “What’s in it for me?”
Boffing Oprah.
Can you say, “DOUBLE STANDARD”?
I knew you could.
Hats off to Mr. Rogers…..
Mookie’s right, and graysonret is even more right!
People of America who are not of the protected minorities: (this includes whites, most asian, occasionally American indians when convenient, etc.)
Please go back to you jobs! There is nothing to see here. We need you to get back to work and pay your taxes, so we can continue the wasted society of areas like Baltimore.
How else will we keep these derelict buildings, which would look better bull-dozed, and allow what would be thousands of people who could have purpose in life maintain their shadow-like existance on your tax monies?
Please go back to your lives. If one or many of these protected individuals attempts to beat or rob you, please allow this, even if they mean to kill you.
We of the
SocialistDemocratic left implore this of you! If you do not follow our commands, then we will no longer be able to control our sheep, for they will achieve independence and free-thought. That is not theSocialistAmerican way!Move along, people! We have no money to make here!
Signed,
Jesse, Al, Hillary, Nancy, Harry, Howard, and the DNC
Who cares if race or gender or shoe size had anything to do with it. It was a crime and the perps deserve punishment.
I have done no such thing. But please continue making your blanket statements. They’re laughable.
If you want to be taken seriously, you are going to have to do better than this.
Ah…the joys of the black urban culture. Beating homeless women, raping children, shooting each other, hanging nooses and pretending to be racial hate crime victims, dropping out of school, and having babies in your early teens.
All with the careful guardianship of the demented and self-appointed “black leaders”. Baltimore is no different than any of the majority black urban cess pools. Must be whitey’s fault, somehow.
There is nothing joyous about this or any other violent act committed by children.
The truth is these heinous, senseless acts aren’t central to the black community. There are many problems within the black community, no question. However, help is what is needed. How are you helping? Or do you think they are helpless and require nothing more than your negativity?
Mookie said
I thought I was kinda dull.
good thinking!
puhiawa-
I agree with #63.
Now if you want to infer that African-American race baiters have been preying on America for the past 25 years then you might have a point to be considered taken seriously.
I am going back 25-30 years since there is ample documentation of blacks succeeding (Read Thomas Sowell’s and Larry Elder’s columns and others for more info) and more than enough documentation of black politicians, and self professed civil rights leaders practicing the same kind of racism that was prevalent up to the 1960’s.
Every ethnic group has its heroes and villains, and no one group is more racist or pious than any other. When the terms white america and black america it is referring to the racist elements in each group and does not refer to the groups as a whole.
There are lots of people who blog on MM of diffrent ethnic groups and are not involved in racism, but do share a common goal of exposing bigotry (real or hoaxed) when its found.
For example; a) white america had the KKK, black america has the New Black Panther Party/NOI/NAACP. b) white america had bull connor and david duke, black america has louis farrakan, jessie and al and c) white america had it segments that were involved in lynchings with rope and other forms of violence, and black america is lynching other ethnic groups by using verbal threats of racism (aka fianancially shakedown a business) and various forms of physical violence.
At this rate 2007 may very well go down as the year of the “Racial Hoax/ Glorification of the Thug” since it appears that every publized situation where blacks claimed that they were the victims and whites were the perputrators its starting to look like something’s fishy and most of these incidents had protest marches led by jessie and the usual groups;
a) Duke Lax and Crystal Mangum
b) Justin Barker and the Jena Six
c) Baltimore FD and a disgruntled FF/EMT-I with help from the NAACP
d) Columbia University (release the tapes!)
e) The USCG Academy and the noose incident found by a black midshipman (No follow up has come out from that)
f) The brutal murder of two UT students (Christian and Newsome)
g) The Black Muslim bakery murder of a journalist.
h) George Washington University journalism student who fabricated a noose incident and cried racism.
i) The shooting of Duante Farrow and villification of the two police officers (BTW cleared by two different investigations) in West Memphis, AR
Of course I could go on, but the general consensus on the blog is that there are double standards when it comes to who can be a victim and who can’t be when hate crimes laws are being applied that is tempered by the media and personal life experience.
GSP
#67 GSP - exactly.
One cannot or should not defend the indefensible and I make no attempts to do so. However, I am offended when I am lumped in with the criminal elements of my race. I don’t wish to rob any one of their hard earned money just as I don’t want to be robbed of mine.
Not a difficult concept to grasp.
My niece is the drum major for a nearly all black high school band in rural Texas. Recently after introductions at a game, some people from the opposing team yelled ‘cracker’ from the stands when my niece was announced. She responded with a very loud ‘Cracker?!’ People cheered her for that. Thank goodness, I would have hated to see the white people rioting!/sarcasm
Dude…now I’m in SERIOUS need of brain bleach.
And by the by, ‘Cracka’ is not offensive where ‘Cracker’ is. Just setting the record straight.
stocks…..(made of a durable,compassionate & green-friendly material)….in the City Sq. or maybe inside the local P.O.(since the Humility of Christmas is no longer acceptable,the stupidity of a society w/out any rules never mind ‘Golden’ will do just fine!) w/a bulletin board on site to post pics & info of the crime. It would be an equal opps situation straddling all economic stratas,races & religions or lack thereof. There would have to be rules on what can & cannot be thrown….& temperature considerations (a Board of the Homeless would be needed for that).
Shame is a right-fine motivator for conduct change.
It is the social invisibility of the perps that renders them fearlessly violent + the spiritual ruthlessness of their ‘role models’ or lack thereof.
It would be accompanied w/ a 4 minute segment on the nightly news right before the weather report….’In the Stocks’….something like that.
It is all about image.
In the video they discuss the possibility of charging these thugs with attempted murder so that hey can be tried as adults. This is where Jesse and Al step in with their outrage..
What is lacking in this country is a sense of shame. It went out of the window with talk
shows that told everything most people never wanted to know about people who live
in trailer parks. These teens will have no shame if they are put on trial. They will strut
around mouthing about being dissed or she got in my space, etc. The girls will think it
is “cool” to have “beat down” this young woman because it somehow diminishes hers and enhances their stature. The guys will strut and posture and mouth about how bad
they are and that they won’t do time because they’re juveniles. Make no mistake. These
kids know that as long as they are juveniles they can get away with just about anything,
short of murder and even then, sometimes murder.
This is the end product of LBJ’s Great Society and the NAACP plus the Reverends, et al, all working together. This is their Magnum Opus; kids like these and worse.
Uh oh…
Source says no video tape of beating on bus
RANT WARNING
Prosecutors don’t understand the racial dynamics of society and therefore fail to prosecute the perps and torpedo the defense’s “victim” argument.
Desparation is not a basis for a rational defense. It appeals to a jury. The prosecutor must be intelligent enough to argue the “emotion” aspect in such a way as to have the jury discount emotion.
These identity thieves are calculating cold-blooded criminals. They are doing what they do, not because they are desparate.
They do what they do because they can– and they know the emotionalism of the courts (judges and juries) swing in their favor— unless the prosecutor takes that away from the courts by prosecuting the emotionalism itself.
It’s going to take time, just as it did for the Arizona city to repeal it’s emotionalist “Sanctuary City” laws.
The moon loons have confused “compassion” with “emotionalism”.
Compassion is not soft and weak. It is a rather strident virtue. It contains discipline, accountability, and allowing people to save face. It doesn’t contain the “build them a brand new house and give them a wad of spending cash” a la Oprah. That paralyzes and cripples people.
And the identity theft perp and the kids on the bus will be crippled if they are dealt with using the customary leniency.
Convict them, make examples of them, and send them to “school” where they will be given a choice to either change or perish.
RANT OFF
I think I disagree 30. I think that in a too large segment of black society that these heinous, senseless acts are central to the community. Just as they are central to the lifestyle of hispanic society that embraces MS13, and to the lifestyle of white skinheads and meth-cookers. You are no more part of that particular segment of black society that acts in such a manner than I am of the skinheads and meth-cookers, but that doesn’t mean that those segments do not exist as part of our communities.
But the problem is that white skinheads and meth-cookers do not make MTV videos of themselves talking about how wonderful it is to be a skinhead/meth cooker, sleep with skanky ho’s between beatings, shoot at police when they are busted for their criminal acts and talk about how snitches should be capped. It just really isn’t glorified at any level. It certainly isn’t glorified or accepted in the majority of white society. Because of that, one does not see white kids walking around being meth-cooker posers and few imitating skinheads. But you do see them walking around being gangsta posers and there are numerous black kids who are not posers, but instead have chosen the path to the real thing.
The MSM and elite liberal establishments have chosen for the black community leaders who are vested in the black community’s failure as it is the only way to perpetuate their leadership positions and much of the black community refuses to reject them and raise up someone who really is their champion, who really does believe in equality for all of us. When prominent blacks such as Bill Cosby, Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice or Colin Powell speak out about the problems and try to be part of the solution, they are branded Uncle Tom’s. When white people help they are branded as patronizing. When liberals help, they intend to be patronizing.
I do not think blacks need outside help. The poorer of them have had trillions of dollars of “help” over the last 40 years with regressive results. Government can’t fix this and throwing money at the problem isn’t going to fix it. I think gangsta, hiphop and inner city blacks need to put their knees together and stop breeding out of wedlock, adjust their social norms to encourage education, intelligence and marriage, and vote against those who support failed social programs that essentially make blacks lifetime wards of the state (and the same thing applies to growing segments of hispanic and white society which are heading the same direction). It is just another form of slavery but they do not see it.
These are not helpless people by any means. They are people, who due to Great Society socialization, perhaps don’t know how to help themselves in socially acceptable ways. Because of the race-baiter leaders in their communities they have the twisted mind set that to be successful through hard work and education is somehow equivalent with “selling out” to whitey. These are communities in which 50 years ago, before the civil rights movement, they had higher sustained marriage rates than whites, lower out of wedlock birth rates than whites, lower domestic abuse rates than whites and lower internal crime rates than whites. At their lowest point of freedom, educational opportunity, economic sustainability and advancement the black community out performed the white community on nearly every modern measure of civilized social behavior. Now the black community has abysmal out of wedlock/teenage birth rates, marriage rates, crime rates, drug use rates and ignored economic opportunity. These are NOT people who are incapable of being equals in society in all manner. These are people who refuse? choose not? to be equals. I don’t know how to help with that. I don’t know how to fix that. I don’t even know where to begin to have a conversation about fixing that.
On target again, Bear. Heard yesterday that Phoenix has now embedded ICE Agents
in it’s Police Force. That is a great idea! However, do expect to hear ACLU or some other liberal know nothing jerks have filed suit over this action. Wish Texas cities
or at least the ones in the Metroplex would do the same thing.
Has anyone heard how these kids are going to be tried. If Mookie heard correctly,
there is no tape, so that sort of leaves everything wide open.
bear1909 & Mookie
‘no video of beating on bus…’
O freakin’Great!!!
“Desparation is not a basis for a rational defense.”
ummmmm……..let’s talk the desperation of being HOMELESS!
@ least these ‘brats’ go home to junk food & video games!!
‘Foster’ or not, it is under a roof!!!
Mandatory to be an American….2 weeks on the street, followed by an essay on meaningful Social changes to assure REAL justice in the Land of the FREE!for ALL.
Read your reference, Mookie. Whole thing is a royal mess. We plan to….Maryland law
says we have to…… . At least we now know that a cousin did threaten her and that’s
why the protection. I guess the no snitching thing is big in MD like it is elsewhere.
Maryland law says they cannot be tried as adults. That means, if they are tried, family
court, and if they are found guilty, juvie until 18. Sometimes they can give them prison time after 18 but that is usually for murder.
Exactly.
#75 said:
Thanking you for the link. This Hartford Examiner article implies disappointment on the part of Maryland prosecutors regarding a lack of videotape:
My understanding, so far, is that prosecutors have Sarah’s boyfriend, the bus driver, another assaulted victim, and the lady who saved Sarah’s life, outside of the bus, as witnesses.
Am I wrong to believe that any lack of videotape hurts the allegations by the nine adolescent animals who administered the beatings? These animals claim that Sarah invited her own vicious beating by initially spitting on them. Without any videotape, this “saliva defense” is going to be rather difficult to prove, no?
The Hartford Examiner doesn’t seem to explore this possibility.
“I do not think blacks need outside help. The poorer of them have had trillions of dollars of “help” over the last 40 years with regressive results.”
& we would like to thank ‘JOE_TAXPAYER!”
Deepdiver, thanks but I think I should clarify. My post was in response to post #64. Dread, used a very broad brush to paint black communities on the whole. My rebuttal was simple - not all black communities wallow the activities he/she enumerated.
My mother recently move from South Philadelphia. Every other day, there was a shooting on her street. In fact, one kid was shot dead a few feet from her doorstep. I pleaded with my mother to move. It took awhile but she finally moved. She now resides in West Oak Lane. This area is predominantly black and isn’t completely free of their issues; however, you have block captains and neighborhood watch. Overall decent people who care for their neighborhood and their neighbors. You aren’t going to hear about this people in the news. There are good black communities out there and I take exception when those people in the black community who do good don’t get a fair shake. Much like your sentiment regarding Bill Cosby, Thomas Sowell, etc… These are the people who should be revered.
Where exactly do we disagree? I’m not seeing it in anything that you wrote. I completely agree with you.
30 pcs of silver …. We still haven’t heard you condemn these 9 thugs as committing a hate crime, and that is exactly what it is.
#85,
Then you haven’t been paying attention.
Why don’t you take a trip over to the “beating on the baltimore thread. Read #450. Oh and you can read #456 for good measure too.
I think you have me pegged as someone who is an apologist for bad behavior - I am not.
As far as hate crimes go - I don’t believe this is necessary. Most crimes aren’t committed out of love. That said, if we are going to have hate crimes, it is nice to see them applied to all races.
Clear enough?
I know of black neighborhoods that very seldom if ever make the news. Good things are not reported by the media. You never hear, “Only good news comes out
of such and such neighborhood today.”
The majority of the problem is that we have several generations, now, that have been living on government handouts and have never been expected to take
personal responsibility for themselves. All of the onus goes onto white people.
They won’t believe that white people didn’t come to the villages in Africa to enslave
them. They were sold to whites by their own people, people from other tribes and
Arabs. A white man marching a chain of blacks through the jungle would have been a sitting target. I really enjoy listening to Star Parker on this topic. They do
not believe that the Dems want anything but the best for them because they have been fed this pap for so long that it has become another Dem “truth.”
The black leaders, such as the Reverends and NAACP don’t want blacks to succeed unless they kowtow to them after they have become successful. You can’t control people unless you keep them ignorant and in poverty ( except for
ignorant leftist celebrities..another story; I digress).
End of rant.
I worry that not having the tape will prevent some of these little thugs from being properly charged.
We won’t hear from NOW unless it is revealed that the victim was on her way to get an abortion. THEN they’ll protest the people that stood in the way of her reproductive rights.
My apologies for overgeneralizing your earlier response and thank you for the clarification. From prior discussion I knew we weren’t all that far apart and figured responses to my post would allow me to see from whence my confusion originated … and it was I. DOH!
Would love to be a fly on the wall when all of this is being discussed, whether by the
DA’s office or the defense.
They apparently cannot, according to MD law, try all of them as adults, so, some may
wind up in family court and some in adult court.
Even without the tape, they have witnesses unless what happened to Sarah Kreager,
happens to the witnesses and they refuse to testify.
As I said before, you take your victim as you find her/him which means that even if they try the, “Her eye was already messed up. We didn’t hurt it that bad!” defense, it
just won’t fly.
SO as not to create an LA style race riot, the kids will get off with a slap on the wrist, the woman will vanish into obscurity and this will be another case of miscarriage of justice that vi=anishes into obscurity by an uncaring media that lies to itself by calling itself a caring and honest journalism society. Period.
In a while longer this will happen again and the same thing will occur. People will want to know why, ultimately there will be no answers, out of fear of race riots, nothing will be done to punish the offenders yadda yadda yadda. The communities know this, and that is why it continues to happen. They actually use these riots as an excuse, as was witnessed in L.A. It happens repeatedly. Juries know this as well as prosecutors. This is why some cases do not get prosecuted…in order to keep peace.
Hate to be the pessimist, but mark my word and watch what happens.