The Spanish-language panderfest, sprinkled with Ron Paul’s Blame America act (”We create the Chavezes of the world, we create the Castros of the world”)
The Wall Street Journal has posted an English-language transcript of last night’s Spanish-language panderfest. Let me sum up the questions:
What are you going to do for Hispanics?
What are you going to do for Hispanics?
What are you going to do for Hispanics?
What are you going to do for Hispanics?
While Tom Tancredo smartly boycotted the debate, he was there in spirit. Every candidate promised to “secure the borders.” Former shamnesty crusader John McCain performed his “I learned my lesson” routine. Giuliani cross-dressed as a border enforcer.
For the most part, the Republican candidates played along and failed to reject the underlying identity politics premise that Hispanics are a monolithic voting bloc (as if anti-Castro Republicans in Florida share anything in common with reconquista punks in southern California). Duncan Hunter notably challenged the Hispanics-love-open borders premise:
MODERATOR: The vast majority of Hispanics, four out of five, are either legal residents or American citizens. Many of them feel affected by the negative tone of the immigration debate. How would you — what would you do to curb this anti-Hispanic sentiment?
MODERATOR: First of all, Congressman Hunter…
HUNTER: You know, I represent a district in San Diego, California and Imperial County, California, and that county for many, many years is a majority Hispanic and two-to-one Democrat. And I’m known as the guy who built the double-border fence that lowered the crime rate so dramatically, that stopped all the drug trucks from
coming through, that stopped the smuggling of people and narcotics by more than 90 percent.You know what you do? You look people in the eye and you talk to them frankly.
I would say this: I got more votes from the Hispanic community — known as the guy who built the border fence — from the Hispanic community, than anybody running for office, whether it was President Clinton on a presidential year, or one of the local or the state assemblyman or U.S. Senators.
That means that the Hispanic community in the United States does not agree with the idea of having open borders. They do agree with the idea of having order on the border and having a regulated system where this lady of freedom standing behind me, the Statue of Liberty, says: Come in, but follow the rules.
You can trust Duncan Hunter on immigration and border security. But what about the other Johnny-come-latelys? Here’s Rudy “I supported sanctuary before I was against it, but my sanctuary policy wasn’t really sanctuary” Giuliani:
GIULIANI: Well, I think the entire group of questions and answers indicates the fact that this is a situation in which none of us have been perfect, all of us have been struggling with this for quite some time. And the reason is we really haven’t followed the advice of a great man, Father Hesburgh, who said, “We must close the back door of illegal immigration in order to preserve the front door of legal immigration.”
And the question is not what mistakes were made in the past by any of us.
The real question is: Who can fix it?
Yeah. That is the question. Giuliani is not the answer. Neither is Mike Huckabee:
Governor Huckabee, how can we curb that anti-Hispanic sentiment?
HUCKABEE: Well, I was governor of the state that is the second fastest growing state for Hispanics in the country, and we faced that.
Quite frankly, when we fix the situation and make the border secure and people are here legally, a lot of the sentiment goes away.
HUCKABEE: And I think we forget sometimes that it’s not just that it’s the people feeling that the illegals are coming in such great numbers that we can’t deal with it. But it’s a terrible thing when a person who is here legally, but who may speak with an accent, is racially profiled by members of the public, and people assume that they may be illegal.
There are far worse things than someone being “racially profiled” as an illegal immigrant. Like catch-and-release policies that fail to detain criminal aliens who go on to commit more heinous crimes because politically correct politicians and police chiefs are more concerned with being accused of “racial profiling” than protecting the public. Huckabee released an expedient, tough-sounding immigration plan last week to deflect from his open-borders record. I’m not buying it.
In between panders and paeans to Hispanics, Ron Paul found an opportunity to insert a “Blame America” rant (video here):
MODERATOR: It’s the presidential forum, the Republican one. We’re going to talk about something else. Now we’re going to talk about Latin America. A week ago, exactly a week ago, Venezuela rejected changes to the constitution, but the president, Hugo Chavez…
(APPLAUSE)President Hugo Chavez has insisted that he’s going to propose them again. Many consider him a threat to democracy in the region. If you were elected president, how would you deal with Chavez? Let’s start with Congressman John Paul — Ron Paul, sorry.
PAUL: Well, he’s not the easiest person to deal with, but we should deal with everybody around the world the same way: with friendship and opportunity to talk and try to trade with people.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)
PAUL: We talked to — we talked to Stalin, we talked to Khrushchev, we’ve talked to Mao, and we’ve talked to the world, and we get along with people.
PAUL: Actually, I believe we’re at a time where we even ought to talk to Cuba and trade and travel to Cuba.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)
(APPLAUSE)
But let me — let me tell you — let me tell you why — let me tell you why we have a problem in South America and Central America: because we’ve been involved in their internal affairs for so long. We have been meddling in their business.
(APPLAUSE)
We create the Chavezes of the world, we create the Castros of the world by interfering and creating chaos in their countries, and they respond by throwing out their leader.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)
(APPLAUSE)MODERATOR: Thank you, Congressman.
And here are the closing statements:
MODERATOR: Thank you.
Well, we have the last question for all of you. Hispanics are the biggest minority in the United States, and by 2050, we’re going to be 25 percent of the population. Three months ago, I asked the same thing to the Democratic candidates.
What would you think would be the biggest contribution from Hispanics, but we want to ask you what is the role — what role do you think Hispanics will play in the development of our nation and our society?
We’re going to start with Governor Huckabee.
HUCKABEE: On our coins, it says, “E pluribus unum.” It means out of many, one.
Ronald Reagan said it best. He said that if we go to Germany, we’re not Germans, and if we go to Italy, we’re not Italians. But anyone who comes to America is an American.
HUCKABEE: One of the great aspects of this nation is that when people come here and unite with us, they share not just our borders and our boundaries. They share our hopes and our dreams and our aspirations.And if there’s any one reason that this country is a magnet for people, and clearly a magnet for many Hispanics who have found hope and opportunity here, it’s because they see in this country what we ourselves who live here see. And that is that here, we can dream great dreams and actually can see them.
Our equality is not based on our ancestry, our last name, it’s not based on how much money we make. It’s based on the intrinsic worth and value that every one of us have. It’s why we share something else, and I think that this nation is basically pro-life because we recognize that intrinsic worth.
And I think what we offer is an opportunity to raise families and to live dreams and to be free.
MODERATOR: Thank you.
(APPLAUSE)
Congressman Hunter, what would be — what role would Hispanics play in the future of our society?HUNTER: Well, first, I want them to play a role as Republicans. And I want to invite, again, all the young people who are — registering to vote — tonight — to just remember a couple of things. One thing is that that lady in El Salvador who stood there in the line for the elections after a Republican president, Ronald Reagan, had protected El Salvador and provided for free elections, and she had a bullet hole in her arm and she was asked, do you want to go to the aid station, and she said, yes, but first, I vote.
So, remember, Republicans stand for freedom.
Secondly, I want you to remember the Republicans stand for life, that the man who founded our party, Abraham Lincoln, did so on the basis of the value of human beings.
And lastly, I’d like you to remember that, you know, Democrats think this is a great country because of what government does for people, while Republicans think this is a great country because of what free people do for themselves.
HUNTER: I think Hispanics have a great role with this great nation.
(APPLAUSE)
MODERATOR: Thank you.
Senator Thompson, you — how far can Hispanics get in this country?
THOMPSON: I think to help us be as strong as we can be and as good as we can be as Americans, I think the most important thing for Americans to be thinking about tonight is our national security, our future prosperity, for the children coming up behind us and our values.
The Hispanic community is traditionally strong in defending liberty and defending our nation’s honor. They have had to fight their way, in many cases, just to come here and become a part of our society.
The Hispanic community is well-known as having a work ethic that is second to none.
THOMPSON: They ask for very little and contribute very much.
The Hispanic community is known for their values. They know that marriage is between a man and a woman, for example. They know that the family…
(APPLAUSE)They know that the family is at the center of societies, and strong families build better societies. Those are things that they share with all other citizens of the United States…
MODERATOR: Thank you, Senator.THOMPSON: … and will make for a stronger country.
(APPLAUSE)MODERATOR: Senator McCain, your vision of Hispanics in the future.
MCCAIN: My vision of America in the future when Hispanics are a very large percentage of our population is that we will be enriched. We will be enriched by their music, their culture, their food, their language, and most of all, their love of America.
Most of these people came from places where they were deprived of human rights, whether it be a terrible place like Cuba, or a country like Venezuela, where you have a two-bit dictator, depriving them of their opportunities to move forward.
MCCAIN: I know what it’s like to be deprived of one’s human rights, and I know that one of the things that Hispanics will do is love this country and defend it, and defend the great beauty and wonder of this nation, and keep it a shining city on a hill.
(APPLAUSE)
MODERATOR: Congressman Paul?
PAUL: The most important thing Hispanics can do is what all Americans do: Join us in our effort to restore our Constitution and our great country. We have lost our way. We have lost our way. We have deserted our traditions on our foreign policy, on our economic policy, our education policy, our monetary policy, and this country is
looking for help. And people are joining us now to restore this.PAUL: And this is not a Hispanic issue, it’s an American issue. What we want is the rule of law so we all have opportunity once
again. But we have to not only restore the Constitution, we have to first read it and understand it and what it means to be free in this
country once again.(APPLAUSE)
MODERATOR: Mayor Giuliani?
GIULIANI: Hispanic Americans have already reached great heights in America. They’ve contributed so much. I saw that in my city. They pushed us to be better. They have the basic values that make us better, values of family, values of hard work, getting a good job, education as the way to success.
Even when you asked that question, “What are Hispanics concerned about?,” they’re concerned about a good education for their child,
they’re concerned about having an opportunity to work.These are basic American values. It’s what the Cuban-Americans have done, coming to this country. It was wonderful for us that we had Cuban-Americans come here, it made us better, it made us better Americans.
I see that with all the different Hispanic populations in New York that are very, very diverse.
This is one country, but it’s a country that’s informed by all these great traditions.
And when you say Hispanic, we also should recognize this is a diverse tradition. It’s from many different countries. They share
these common values, but they’re coming here to be Americans, and they’re making us better by being here in America.GIULIANI: And I think — I think we do the right things; we have the right approach; we have the right leadership, the sky’s the limit for Hispanic Americans.
But, you know something, the sky’s the limit for all Americans if we have the right kind of leadership.
(APPLAUSE)MODERATOR: Thank you.
Governor Romney?
ROMNEY: America needs all Americans. We’re in a time of real need. We’re the strongest nation on Earth; we’re the hope of the Earth. But we face some extraordinary challenges — global jihadists, violent jihadists, who want to bring down our nations and other nations.
We face, as well, tough new competition coming from places like China and India, unlike anything we’ve known before.We spend way too much money in Washington, particularly on entitlements that are growing more and more weighty on us.
ROMNEY: We have extraordinary challenges culturally as people are deciding to have kids without being married. There are all sorts of challenges in our country. And right now, we need to do what Ronald Reagan did, which is call on America’s strength. As he faced the difficulties of the last century, he said, let’s
have a strong military and a strong economy that can outcompete the Russians. And let’s make sure we have strong values and confidence in
ourselves. The Hispanic community, like all other communities in this great nation, need to come together and strengthen America. Because this is
the land of the brave and the home of the free. And Hispanics are brave and they are free, as are all of the people of this great
nation.Thank you.
(APPLAUSE)
MODERATOR: Thank you.Thank you very much to all the candidates for being here with us tonight — and Univision. Thank you so much for coming. Thanks a lot.
END
Ok, when’s the Tagalog-language Filipino debate? Vietnamese-language debate? Hindi, anyone?
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“MODERATOR: Thank you.
Well, we have the last question for all of you. Hispanics are the biggest minority in the United States, and by 2050, we’re going to be 25 percent of the population.”
I would have said….”25% WOW, 20% of that must be from ILLEGALS sneaking in here. We can’t continue to let this happen and I propose putting the military on OUR border to stop this insanity before our nation turns in to North Mexico”
Why is everyone surprised that there are debates in Spanish? We allowed that to happen when we sat and allowed press one for English, or when doors to stores have ENTRADA on them now. More and more merchandise in stores, even canned vegetables are written in both English and Spanish. Look around. In my area there is not a time of day that I can go anywhere without seeing Spanish. This should have been stopped long before we got to Spanish debates. The kicker for me was when I signed into MSN.com and it came up in Spanish. I called their customer service number and they explained that I had to choose English. HUH??? I discontinued my account that day. I will not buy products that are not in English. And I stopped going to Lowes. I did not listen to the debate, and registered my objection to the candidates I was thinking of supporting.
Enough is enough. Where are all the people yelling about discrimination that do not speak Spanish? When did I move to a Hispanic country?
All that having been accurately stated, it’s ironic that this “panderfest” debate arguably included more substance than the CNN fiasco.
Throw out John Paul.
Is anybody really considering Giuliani? Really – come on.
Except for Hunter, it sounded like a giant ‘How to suck-up to Hispanics’ training video. Don’t they know that Illegals can’t vote?
Maybe they thought that us ’stooopid’ English speakers wouldn’t hear what they said to them there Hispanics, since they were a-speakin’ it in a fore-un language.
If they are US citizens we will encourage and insist that they speak and understand english.
If they are invaders [illegals] we will catch them and deport them wether they speak english or not.
Is that accurate? If it is, wouldn’t the flood of illegal immigrants tend to lower that percentage.
Exactly.
Priceless…
okay, being egyptian/lebanese when is my community goint have their debate? i’d even settle for farsi…???
please, this is shameless pandering. we cannot sit and think of ourselves as anything but american. to sequestor ourselves into mini-communities of this ethnicity or this race we will NOT come together as Americans. we will come asking what about me?
divided we fall…this must stop.
Message for Ron Paul:
Press 1 for pandering.
Press 2 for traitor.
I love Hunter!!! He didn’t pull any punches. All of the other candidates did their typical two-step around the questions. Which brings me to a question of my own – why is there a Hispanic debate? We are in America, correct???
Mabuhay Michelle …
As for the date of the Tagalog debate I can only say:
mabuti kapalaran
The whole exercise was to make the candidates look racist and bigoted. It looked like a complete wash. Duncan Hunter stated his case the best but, whether it will do any good remains to be seen.
Fighting terrorism creates terrorists.
Standing up to dictators creates dictators.
I guess……………If you say so.
Please, don’t wave the Constitution in my face, until you’ve read it yourself.
What are you going to do for Hispanics?
Answer:
“If you are here legally, nothing more or less than what is done for any other group. This is America and all men are created equal. If you are illegal, nothing you shouldn’t be here in the first place”!!
Being a White Conservative English-speaking Male I was wondering when they were going to have a debate for me????
I don’t know why, but when I hear the name Ron Paul all I can think of is RuPaul. I do know at least one thing – RuPaul would get my vote before Ron Paul.
Its not an issue of Hispanics! Its an issue of homeland security!
Here is an idea: If you don’t have a Green Card, you can’t play the Race Card!
SECURE OUR BOARDERS NOW!
Bullseye!
I shall answer all of these fine questions at once:
If you’re not here legally, not a damned thing. Period. Full Stop.
If you’re legal, I’ll do for you the exact same thing I do for other citizens. Nothing more, and nothing less.
I have a lot more respect for Tancredo than all the others combined now. His stance makes more sense than theirs, and their pandering is disgraceful.
ok that made me lol.
Made me LOL too. Then the question came to my mind; Why? I suppose I could use a good nap.
Honey, hand me a beer.
I’m not shocked that they cowtowed to the Univision crowd, I mean the dims did it, if they hadn’t people like Rusty & Lgm would be saying they were racists, not that they don’t say it anyway but . . . just to appease the apeasers I guess.
Funny, we will be in Waldorf, MD, at the hubby’s paternal grandparent’s house for Christmas and I was looking up the Catholic churches in town and lo and behold both churches were having “Spanish” Masses as well. I refuse to teach my children Spanish unless we’re going on vacation to Spain.
or Palm Springs.
This whole pandering to a certain voting block disgusts me. Where are the politicians that will kiss my butt (while lying to me) about how they will ensure veterans get more benefits. I’m doing fine, but really want them to do more for our wounded warriors coming home from this current war. I agree when will there be a debate to pander to White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) voters or any of European extraction. I now want a debate in Russian, Chinese dialects, Vietnamese, Thai, Filipino dialects, French, German, Polish, etc.
As usual when a “debate” to a specific interest group is stated, the bottom line is “WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR ME/US?”. In other words..pander pander pander.
At least Tancredo had the stones to say NO WAY! As many of the posters here keep saying….NOT A DAMN THING of you are not legal. Now if only the people on stage would do the same thing!
BUILD THE FENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Count me in as someone who is sick of the whole kiss up to Espanol thing. I avoid Miami because Cubans run it, complete with elected crooks and dirty cops. America with street signs in Spanish?
Then there’s Palm Beach county with lots of store clerks speaking French creole in honor of their Haitian heritage.
Just in case there is that filipino debate, I suggest that Malkin and Wretcherd from Belmont Club moderate.
Every candidate should have boycotted this ridiculous display of contempt for the American citizen, the English language and the will of the American people.
To allow this debate to occur in a foreign language, not only makes every American sick to their stomachs, it only further bolsters the arrogance of Hispanics in their quest to overthrow the culture, language, and laws of the US.
It leaves only one candidate to vote for and that would be Tom Tancredo. He seems to be the only one who gets the big picture and has the guts to say “no” to illegals.
These other candidates might have just made the single biggest mistake of their careers. They are pandering fools, with enough nerve to spit in the face of the American people.
This country is in a downward spiral which is going to lead to violence in the streets if some leader doesn’t take charge of the reconquistas and la raza followers.
Being an American citizen mandates English competence, and “push 1″ for anything should be eliminated. How dare these people undermine our country for a few votes.
Instead of debates I’d rather see all the candidates have a psychiatric evaluation. Then go from there.
I prefer baseball bats. The last man standing – wins!
When my granfather came here and found that the farm family in N Y was still speaking Danish at home-I am told – that he rose to his full 6′+ height and emphatically stated:
VE are in America-Ve VILL speak English!
The family never spoke Danish in his presence again.
All it takes is leadership.
Do we have any?
Holger Danske-Vagner
At least Tancredo seems willing to stick to a principal or two. Good for him. For that, he has my respect.
What gripes me most about the en espanol debates is that they send a resounding message to those who insist upon remaining separate and distinct and refuse to acclimate into an American culture that their separatism is okay. Don’t want to fully participate in the American experience? Fine. We in power approve and support your bad decision! We in power will help you force Americe to conform to you, whatever you want and however you want it done! (Just vote for me, okay?)
I guess it’s good to be old enough to remember when being an American meant priviledge, honor, patriotism and a realistic hope for a strong, enduring future for our progeny. Those days seem so far away now in Washington where representation is traded as frequently and easily as an unwelcomed fruitcake.
I’m waiting for next weeks deaf-mute debate so that I can read the sign language while listening to some old blues. Besides, it seems like most of the candidates have been giving me the finger for a long time now anyway!
I repeat; “WHO are we going to elect?”
So far I am completely disillusioned with all of them.
GOD help us all.
America — From melting pot to salad bowl to pie. Cut us our slice and leave us alone. Oops, all gone. Bake another one and (Census says) give us a bigger slice. Topping to.
This was a missed opportunity for one of the front runners. Anyone of them who would have boycotted, along with Tancredo, would have seen a surge in polls.
What are you going to do for Hispanics? How about, “What are you going to do for white people”? The first question is just as contemptable to white people as the second question is for minorities.
One the upside…everyone of these types of events increases the resolve of those of us who want illegals out of this country.
Michelle,
Are you saying the U.S. doesn’t meddle in other nations affairs?
“Since the end of World War II, the United States, usually acting covertly through the CIA, has installed or toppled leaders on every continent, secretly supported political parties of close allies like Japan, fomented coups, spread false rumors, bribed political figures and spent countless billions of dollars to sway public opinion.
The National Endowment for Democracy (NED), created 25 years ago to do in the open what the CIA has done surreptitiously for decades, spends million a year to support things like political parties, labor unions, dissident movements and the news media in dozens of countries, including China.”
We’ve been doing it for decades and now its also done openly through the NED.
It wasn’t that long ago that the head of the CIA, William Casey ordered one of his operatives to form an alliance with the “Freedom Fighters” in Afghanistan to fight the Russians. They gave them as much money as they wanted and sophisticated weapons. Osama bin Laden joined this jihad against the Russians to protect Muslim soil. While the Americans say they defeated the Russians, the Muslims claim the same.
Ron Paul spoke about the NED’s meddling in 2003:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul134.html
You can spin it all you want, but the above information and Paul’s words are all facts. The Straussian myth, followed by today’s neocon’s… “that America is the only source for good in the world, otherwise evil would prevail,” is the root cause of the issue.
Yesterday’s rise against communism is today’s rise against Islam and tomorrow’s rise against China…all causing the ever decreasing purchasing power of the U.S. dollar because of the inflation that is paying for our meddling.
It is what it is…till it isn’t.
As for me, I’m doing all I can to expose this hypocrisy because I’m…..
Fed Up (the name of my forthcoming book)
Why should there be a taboo on blaming America when America is to blame? Our foreign policies frequently create (sometimes directly) anti-American dictators, war, and genocide. Ostracizing countries as our “enemies” only solidifies the power of their leaders as they get to play David to our Goliath. People hate dictators, but they hate foreign aggression and ostracization even more. Our hostile isolationist policies are not advancing relations with Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, etc. Why not kill ‘em with capitalism? Trade, talk, and let their people revolt (peacefully or otherwise) when they realize their governments are the reason they are oppressed.
I love the sentiment that seeing Spanish on a food label or hearing it on a phone prompt offends one’s delicate sensibilities. God forbid your eyes are seared by those squiggly little lines and upside punctuation marks…the horror…the outrage…
You do realize the influx of Spanish on labels and signs and the like is purely the result of the free market. It’s no multicultural conspiracy or PC-ification; it’s simply companies trying to expand their consumer base by sacrificing some label space. You could boycott these products and try to manipulate the free market yourself, but you’d need quite a backing to have any real effect.
This is my favorite though. Let’s examine the logic here: more and more Latinos are emigrating here, Spanish is becoming more and more prevalent, being bilingual is becoming an increasingly desired skill among employers…so lets refuse to let our kids to learn Spanish, we’ll show them, we’ll make sure our kids never get ahead…
Besides someone needs to pick the lettuce…
Paul doesn’t get any props…
#39
Your Hispanic is better than thou is showing. What about the rest of the immigrant people in this country that are not Hispanic? Are you requiring that they not only learn English (which by the way I am moved to remind you IS STILL the language of the USA) but now have to learn Spanish as well? or they will not get ahead? Are you telling me that in the USA if my child does not speak Spanish he or she will be held back????? Dang ….this is what offends me. People like you who dictate to me what I must do to accommodate your delicate sensibilities.
Shouldn’t one learn the language of the country they desire to be a part of? My immigrant grandparents did with honor. To them to be in this country was a privilege and an honor. And they asked what they could do to make the country better. It was never what is the country going to do for me because they already were grateful to be a part of what it already offered.
Learn and speak English…too much to ask in the USA? …the horror ..the outrage.
“Besides someone needs to pick the lettuce…”
who is the bigot now?
I’m in agreement here. No one is really more ‘left out’ today than the single white male. There are NO programs, write-offs, assistance groups, etc. for the white guy, are there?
More prevalent because they refuse to assimilate and become what America is…a melting pot. They don’t want to blend in, they (latinos/hispanics/???) want special treatment, extra this, more of that, all for free.
What is wrong with equality, not more equal than others, but real equality?
So herrera, when you promote and back a private debate for single white males, a debate closed to all others and presented in code for white English speaking only participants… Or maybe a college fund for whites only? Lulac for whites? THEN I’ll listen to your rhetoric.
You getting the idea here?
Separation does NOT help the ‘melting pot’ of America’s dream, it helps destroy it.
Good idea tho, I’m going to boycott anything with spanish included on the labels and hang up on any company where I have to press one for English, thru Christmas… and beyond.. Thanks.
That which doesn’t melt, settles to the bottom.
Today at 12:16 JaHerer22 made this outlandish statement:
No you fool, my son will learn Chinese, and my husband is teaching him the Arabic he’s had to use in the US Army. It used to be that the people who came here had to learn English to get ahead. It does not work the other way around fool. I learned Spanish before I went to Spain in 1992 as I was going to a Spanish speaking country and it would have been rude to not know some rudimentary Spanish. As donnab13 said so eloquently in # 41, here’s a newsflash for you JaJa, not everyone who comes here comes from Mexico or Latin America.
..and here comes the Ron Paul brigade.
There – fixed it for you.
How ignorant – resisting or refusing to assimilate and join in on the economic miracle that is America.
Three of my grandparents immigrated from Europe, became Americans, started businesses (that used English only), insisted that only English be spoken in the home, and raised children who took full advantage of all that our country has to offer.
Only ignorant people, who choose (or are encouraged by liberals and RINO’s) to remain in their cultural ghettos, refuse to assimilate to their chosen homeland.
#46
Fred
Allow me to fix one more thing…
Let’s examine the logic here: more and more Latinos are emigrating ILLEGALLY here and not assimilating, Spanish is becoming more and more prevalent because they are not assimilating, being bilingual is becoming an increasingly desired required (because of refusal to assimilate) skill among employers.
There now I feel better. Illegal invasion is not emigration or immigration. I find it ironic that people come from a nation because they claim no rights and desire a better life, yet come to this great nation and complain and wail that we are not giving them enough.
Why werent they doing this same demanding of their own nations?
JaHerer22 also said:
“You could boycott these products and try to manipulate the free market yourself, but you’d need quite a backing to have any real effect.”
The English speaking Americans like myself can still and will have indeed quite a backing. We have only begun to stand up and be counted. Just watch the effect.
Encourage self-deportation!! -
No employment for illegal aliens – employers should be fined and/or jailed and employee deported.
No social services for illegal aliens
No federal funds for any purposes to any “sanctuary city”
No health care of any kind for illegal aliens
No bi or multi lingual phone announcements, labels and ESPECIALLY ballots
Anyone interacting with law enforcement within the United States who does not speak conversational English and who cannot prove is here on a current tourist or student visa, should be detained for up to 72 hours or until their legal citizenship status can be confirmed, whichever comes first. If here illegally immediate deportation.
No entry to the United States without a passport – Matricula Consular ID should be ruled no longer valid identification in the United States. If I travel to Mexico or Caribbean I must have a passport to re-enter the U.S. If it is required of citizens NOTHING LESS should be required of any visitor.
That would get it started. Should start a mass exodus out of this nation back to their own homes. Once they get home, if they want to overthrow their corrupt, bribe based, third world governments I say support them with a portion of the money we save getting rid of the illegals.
I have nothing against legal immigrants, nor do most other people in the U.S. or on this site. But I do have a problem with 20,000,000 illegal people wandering around my nation essentially giving us the finger by their very presence.
Deepdiver, if only a candidate, other than Tancredo, had your plan he/she would be the frontrunner hands down. I’m not holding my breath though. The pandering pansies (other than Tancredo and Hunter) will never put your plan into effect.
It’s not enough for them to watch and the French and English cultures deteriorate before our eyes, they have to watch ours do the same.
They (the politicians) will sell-out their own mother to further their political goals. As much as I’d like to blame only the politicians, I can’t leave out their willing accomplices (the voters in the blue states). They’re all mindless idiots who keep sending Kennedy, Pelosi, Murtha, Reid and their ilk back to Washington every cycle because their grandparents were Democrats. I would be remiss if I left out many Republicans (RINOS) who are just as bad.
You would think that the backlash over the Amnesty Bill would have been enough for them. They know, however, that no matter who they sell-out their willing accomplices will send them right back to Washington to screw us again and again.
Anyone interacting with law enforcement within the United States who does not speak conversational English and who cannot prove is here on a current tourist or student visa, should be detained for up to 72 hours or until their legal citizenship status can be confirmed, whichever comes first. If here illegally immediate deportation.
That may be the silliest, stupidest, most draconian, most unconstitutional, cruelest thing I’ve ever seen from a pro-enforcement writer in my life.
Just what kind of country do you think this is? Your right to vote should be taken away and you should be sent to civics class to learn a thing or two about the rule of law and the Bill of Rights before being allowed within 100 yards of a voting booth.
Shame on you.
Jesus Lord! Half the adults in teh US don’t speak “conversational English.”
I have a mind to ban you just out of spite.
I’m still chuckling .. darn that was funny! Nice!
88% of second generation legal immigrants speak English fluently according to a study that came out last week.
That compares very favorably with every other immigrant group who ever came here not speaking English.
The trick is to get people here legally so they have an incentive to assimilate. Illegals have no incentive hence, learn no English.
Rick, I don’t think that Deepdiver wants to deport citizens and I don’t think that he made his point well enough. Nevertheless, what we’re seeing is desperation from people who cherish our culture, and yes, language. And no, I don’t think that anyone, including deepdiver, would see that as a practical method of identifying illegal aliens.
I believe the 80% of our population who killed the amnesty deal want the same thing. They want illegal aliens out of our country.
If you’re the administrator of this site, it doesn’t help to threaten banishment. Michelle is the toughest of all when it comes to illegal aliens which is a big reason she has the audience that she does.
Michelle is as tough as they come on illegal immigration – within the law and within the constitution.
DD’s notion that you can hold people for 72 hours just because the don’t speak “conversational English” is the most outrageous thing I’ve read on this site in a while. He needs remedial education and a basic understanding of the constitution.
As far as banning people, DD’s rant bordered on hate speech – a banning offense on this site.
Time to bump Hunter up the list.
Rick – then remove #48
AlohaGuy – Agreed!