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	<title>Comments on: Sedition in Olympia update: Who should foot the bill?</title>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; Anarchy in Olympia&#8230;again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; Anarchy in Olympia&#8230;again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] last we visited the seditious hotbed of Olympia, Washington, anti-military zealots had caused $4,000 in damages to police cars and incurred more than $100,000 in costs after obstructing military shipments at the city [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] last we visited the seditious hotbed of Olympia, Washington, anti-military zealots had caused $4,000 in damages to police cars and incurred more than $100,000 in costs after obstructing military shipments at the city [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fourstringfuror</title>
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		<dc:creator>fourstringfuror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have an update on this? Several weeks ago I emailed both the City Manager Steve Hall(shall@ci.olympia.wa.us) and Councilman TJ Johnson (tjohnson@ci.olympia.wa.us), the one who both participated in the protests and arranged for the meeting afterwards. To date, I have heard nothing from them. Has anyone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have an update on this? Several weeks ago I emailed both the City Manager Steve Hall(shall@ci.olympia.wa.us) and Councilman TJ Johnson (tjohnson@ci.olympia.wa.us), the one who both participated in the protests and arranged for the meeting afterwards. To date, I have heard nothing from them. Has anyone else?</p>
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		<title>By: b931c0aacdbd12ae5809</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/12/sedition-in-olympia-update-who-should-foot-the-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-200615</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ammo john</title>
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		<dc:creator>ammo john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dissent is Patriotic&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dissent is Patriotic&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim M.</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/12/sedition-in-olympia-update-who-should-foot-the-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-194890</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since it was the perpetrators who caused the expense, they should be billied, both individually and collectively.  Many states bill the individual when expenses are incurred or damage is caused by a person either accidently or on purpose.  Knock down a road sign - you pay.  Need an ambulance - you pay.  

If the authorities do not have the testicular fortitude to bill the perpetrators, then the expense rightly falls with the local government - it is their choice, and the taxpayers there can either absorb the expense or get tough on these nitwits.

In no way, shape or form, should the expenses be borne by the Port.  That is akin to having the police arrive at your home to arrest someone who just broke into your house and murdered a family member, billing you for their expenses in nabbing the culprit.  That is called adding insult to injury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it was the perpetrators who caused the expense, they should be billied, both individually and collectively.  Many states bill the individual when expenses are incurred or damage is caused by a person either accidently or on purpose.  Knock down a road sign &#8211; you pay.  Need an ambulance &#8211; you pay.  </p>
<p>If the authorities do not have the testicular fortitude to bill the perpetrators, then the expense rightly falls with the local government &#8211; it is their choice, and the taxpayers there can either absorb the expense or get tough on these nitwits.</p>
<p>In no way, shape or form, should the expenses be borne by the Port.  That is akin to having the police arrive at your home to arrest someone who just broke into your house and murdered a family member, billing you for their expenses in nabbing the culprit.  That is called adding insult to injury.</p>
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		<title>By: walterc</title>
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		<dc:creator>walterc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since a member of the city council not only condoned, but participated in the protests, I don&#039;t see a question here. . . it was a city sanctioned event and the city foots the bill.

No different than the trash collection costs after the Christmas parade, or the 4th of July fireworks display.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since a member of the city council not only condoned, but participated in the protests, I don&#8217;t see a question here. . . it was a city sanctioned event and the city foots the bill.</p>
<p>No different than the trash collection costs after the Christmas parade, or the 4th of July fireworks display.</p>
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		<title>By: tony the tiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony the tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lot&#039;s of comments about how the protesters probably don&#039;t have jobs, or money, or other assets...

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Wrong!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Many of the protesters are students at Evergreen State College, come from families in the outlying areas of Seattle and Tacoma... their parents own houses.  If the port authority is hit with the bill for this they should sue the individuals that can be identified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot&#8217;s of comments about how the protesters probably don&#8217;t have jobs, or money, or other assets&#8230;</p>
<p><em><strong>Wrong!</strong></em></p>
<p>Many of the protesters are students at Evergreen State College, come from families in the outlying areas of Seattle and Tacoma&#8230; their parents own houses.  If the port authority is hit with the bill for this they should sue the individuals that can be identified.</p>
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		<title>By: swj719AWG</title>
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		<dc:creator>swj719AWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In an interview later, he said the complaints mostly have to do with police tactics, including why the city used pepper spray on protesters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What, he would have prefered tazers and billy-clubs?

I know I would have...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In an interview later, he said the complaints mostly have to do with police tactics, including why the city used pepper spray on protesters.</p></blockquote>
<p>What, he would have prefered tazers and billy-clubs?</p>
<p>I know I would have&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pressto</title>
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		<dc:creator>pressto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Councilman TJ Johnson, who participated in the protests&lt;/blockquote&gt;
ROFL. So the councilman participates in this, runs up the charges and then after the fact decides to bill someone else. The voters of this area are the ones who elect these people and they are the ones who should foot the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Councilman TJ Johnson, who participated in the protests</p></blockquote>
<p>ROFL. So the councilman participates in this, runs up the charges and then after the fact decides to bill someone else. The voters of this area are the ones who elect these people and they are the ones who should foot the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Chief RZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chief RZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like what was done to the klan in the 1980s.  Hit them in their pocketbooks.  The organizations and the individuals in those organizations who participated in the sedition without a marching permit should be fined, sued and their common property confiscated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like what was done to the klan in the 1980s.  Hit them in their pocketbooks.  The organizations and the individuals in those organizations who participated in the sedition without a marching permit should be fined, sued and their common property confiscated.</p>
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		<title>By: RetFireman</title>
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		<dc:creator>RetFireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, that sounds like it should be the starting point for a nrw trend in law enforcement and all future &quot;Civil Disobedience&quot;  Take the bill for all the police, fire, EMS, vandalsm, and anything else that occurs during said marches, rallys and other forms of protests, organized or otherwise, and send the bills to  any and all identified organizations that are taking part in said protests or &quot;Civil Disobedience&quot;  These culprits can be identified by the websites that advertise said ho-dows, people who put up flyers, the posters carried or the people who apply for the permits which must be applied for to make it all nice and legal.

I would be willing to bet that once these &quot;people&quot; start having to foot the bill for all the damage and all the man power that they force these municipalities to supply for their seditious love-ins, they will either become a great deal more infrequent, or at the very least, a great deal less violent and less prone to breakage, burning and vandalism.  Man, I would love to see this happen and for the life of me now that it has been brought up, can;t understand why it has not been done in the past, especially in Seattle and Sacramento and instead the tax payors had to foot the bill for their violence and stupidity and &quot;First Ammendment Rights&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, that sounds like it should be the starting point for a nrw trend in law enforcement and all future &#8220;Civil Disobedience&#8221;  Take the bill for all the police, fire, EMS, vandalsm, and anything else that occurs during said marches, rallys and other forms of protests, organized or otherwise, and send the bills to  any and all identified organizations that are taking part in said protests or &#8220;Civil Disobedience&#8221;  These culprits can be identified by the websites that advertise said ho-dows, people who put up flyers, the posters carried or the people who apply for the permits which must be applied for to make it all nice and legal.</p>
<p>I would be willing to bet that once these &#8220;people&#8221; start having to foot the bill for all the damage and all the man power that they force these municipalities to supply for their seditious love-ins, they will either become a great deal more infrequent, or at the very least, a great deal less violent and less prone to breakage, burning and vandalism.  Man, I would love to see this happen and for the life of me now that it has been brought up, can;t understand why it has not been done in the past, especially in Seattle and Sacramento and instead the tax payors had to foot the bill for their violence and stupidity and &#8220;First Ammendment Rights&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: WarTip</title>
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		<dc:creator>WarTip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming that we did actually live in a nation of laws, those that broke the law should have been arrested and held accountable for their actions. Since the people of the city and state are actively impeding the movement of supplies to and from a war zone they are no different than enemy combatants dressed in the guise of American citizens. What would we do if we caught a group of un-uniformed people disrupting the convoys in Iraq? There is no real legal separation here. While people would decry the actions, it may serve as a reminder that we are a nation of laws and we are at war. Protesting is perfectly legal so let them protest. If they want to actively seek out a means to destroy our supply lines, let them suffer the same punishment anyone in Iraq caught doing the same thing would suffer. 

Political &quot;philosophy&quot; (Can liberalism actually be considered a philosophy? There does not seem to be any real search for any truth involved) be damned, these people are actively destroying supply lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming that we did actually live in a nation of laws, those that broke the law should have been arrested and held accountable for their actions. Since the people of the city and state are actively impeding the movement of supplies to and from a war zone they are no different than enemy combatants dressed in the guise of American citizens. What would we do if we caught a group of un-uniformed people disrupting the convoys in Iraq? There is no real legal separation here. While people would decry the actions, it may serve as a reminder that we are a nation of laws and we are at war. Protesting is perfectly legal so let them protest. If they want to actively seek out a means to destroy our supply lines, let them suffer the same punishment anyone in Iraq caught doing the same thing would suffer. </p>
<p>Political &#8220;philosophy&#8221; (Can liberalism actually be considered a philosophy? There does not seem to be any real search for any truth involved) be damned, these people are actively destroying supply lines.</p>
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		<title>By: MTNEER</title>
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		<dc:creator>MTNEER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dark Horse,  It sounds like a perfect situation to apply the RICO statutes.  The conspiracy was hatched and planned at this so-called institution of higher learning by the inmates and administrators.  Federal seizures may be in order!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dark Horse,  It sounds like a perfect situation to apply the RICO statutes.  The conspiracy was hatched and planned at this so-called institution of higher learning by the inmates and administrators.  Federal seizures may be in order!</p>
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		<title>By: MTNEER</title>
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		<dc:creator>MTNEER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The feds need to assign a federal marshall to escort the convoys to and from the Port of Olympia.  When the &quot;protesters&quot; block the convoy he then orders them to disperse.  If the &quot;protesters&quot; fail to obey his lawful order, they can be charged with a federal crime (interfering with a federal officer in the performance of his duties.)

There is no free speech violation involved.  They can rant and rave and drop their babies on their heads all they want from the side of the road. Block the movement of military equipment to or from a war zone and go to jail.

NOW, if only someone could give G W B the cojones to actually do this!
Holding breath.............turning a pretty shade of blue..............passing out...............................................................................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The feds need to assign a federal marshall to escort the convoys to and from the Port of Olympia.  When the &#8220;protesters&#8221; block the convoy he then orders them to disperse.  If the &#8220;protesters&#8221; fail to obey his lawful order, they can be charged with a federal crime (interfering with a federal officer in the performance of his duties.)</p>
<p>There is no free speech violation involved.  They can rant and rave and drop their babies on their heads all they want from the side of the road. Block the movement of military equipment to or from a war zone and go to jail.</p>
<p>NOW, if only someone could give G W B the cojones to actually do this!<br />
Holding breath&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.turning a pretty shade of blue&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..passing out&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Horse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark Horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the standpoint of the city, I can see the temptation to bill the Port. The Port authority, after all, has the money and more importantly, isn&#039;t going anywhere. It&#039;s easy to invoice entities with infrastructure. You can always do something drastically stupid like block access until payment.
 Logical, no? Utterly and completely wrong, as well.

 There is another entity that fits all of the above conditions. It&#039;s got infrastructure, controllable access, and service vulnerabilities, among other things. Best of all, it already subsists on the public tit.

  I speak of the Evergreen State College, whose degree of involvement is exceeded only by that of TJ Johnson.

 1)Many if not most of the protestors attend(ed) there.
 2)Campus organizations were heavily involved in the protests.
 3)Teaching staff assisted in planning the festivities.
 
 The costs could be added to the already exorbitant tuition paid by the young termites who attend this institution, illustrating the relationship between freedom of speech, civil disobedience, and &lt;strong&gt;Responsibility&lt;/strong&gt;.

Won&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the standpoint of the city, I can see the temptation to bill the Port. The Port authority, after all, has the money and more importantly, isn&#8217;t going anywhere. It&#8217;s easy to invoice entities with infrastructure. You can always do something drastically stupid like block access until payment.<br />
 Logical, no? Utterly and completely wrong, as well.</p>
<p> There is another entity that fits all of the above conditions. It&#8217;s got infrastructure, controllable access, and service vulnerabilities, among other things. Best of all, it already subsists on the public tit.</p>
<p>  I speak of the Evergreen State College, whose degree of involvement is exceeded only by that of TJ Johnson.</p>
<p> 1)Many if not most of the protestors attend(ed) there.<br />
 2)Campus organizations were heavily involved in the protests.<br />
 3)Teaching staff assisted in planning the festivities.</p>
<p> The costs could be added to the already exorbitant tuition paid by the young termites who attend this institution, illustrating the relationship between freedom of speech, civil disobedience, and <strong>Responsibility</strong>.</p>
<p>Won&#8217;t happen.</p>
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