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		<title>By: Eclectic</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/end-the-baseball-freak-show/comment-page-1/#comment-196754</link>
		<dc:creator>Eclectic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sorry, guys, I’m not much of a baseball fan,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess not even Michelle is perfect. ;0)

Notice one team whose record is clean?  No one could ever accuse Ichiro Suzuki of using &#039;roids.  GO MARINERS!!!!!  The one true baseball team left in America. :0)</description>
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<p>I guess not even Michelle is perfect. ;0)</p>
<p>Notice one team whose record is clean?  No one could ever accuse Ichiro Suzuki of using &#8216;roids.  GO MARINERS!!!!!  The one true baseball team left in America. :0)</p>
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		<title>By: bonewah</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/end-the-baseball-freak-show/comment-page-1/#comment-196646</link>
		<dc:creator>bonewah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the big deal with steroids anyway?  Doctors prescribe them all the time to help with injury recovery.  Steroid over-use and abuse is bad, but controlled use?  Whats the problem?
Is there any real indication that careful steroid use causes problems?  Im not talking about some PSA you saw in high-school or stories about roid rage, i mean actual scientific data.
Also, is there any indication that steroids actually gave those that used it some unfair advantage, aside from faster injury recovery?
And about stats... are you going to put an asterisk by everyones name who ever took advantage of a rules change, or a smaller or bigger park, or the mound being higher or lower then it is now.  Its absurd to hold up historical stats and claim that this is some sort of sacrosanct thing when the game changes all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the big deal with steroids anyway?  Doctors prescribe them all the time to help with injury recovery.  Steroid over-use and abuse is bad, but controlled use?  Whats the problem?<br />
Is there any real indication that careful steroid use causes problems?  Im not talking about some PSA you saw in high-school or stories about roid rage, i mean actual scientific data.<br />
Also, is there any indication that steroids actually gave those that used it some unfair advantage, aside from faster injury recovery?<br />
And about stats&#8230; are you going to put an asterisk by everyones name who ever took advantage of a rules change, or a smaller or bigger park, or the mound being higher or lower then it is now.  Its absurd to hold up historical stats and claim that this is some sort of sacrosanct thing when the game changes all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Turson</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/end-the-baseball-freak-show/comment-page-1/#comment-196628</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Turson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw a TV documentary a decade ago about steroid use. It showed pictures of lined-up Soviet Union female athletes--they all had large brow ridges and jaws. No doubt they had names like Helga and Gertrude to boot. Good things do not happen to those who mess with Mother Nature. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1320020520071213&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The comments &lt;/a&gt; by physicist Roger Tobin on why baseball players take steroids are worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw a TV documentary a decade ago about steroid use. It showed pictures of lined-up Soviet Union female athletes&#8211;they all had large brow ridges and jaws. No doubt they had names like Helga and Gertrude to boot. Good things do not happen to those who mess with Mother Nature. <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1320020520071213" rel="nofollow">The comments </a> by physicist Roger Tobin on why baseball players take steroids are worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: jamesgreenidge</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/end-the-baseball-freak-show/comment-page-1/#comment-196471</link>
		<dc:creator>jamesgreenidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Battle of the Bionics&lt;/strong&gt;

Simply put, society just isn&#039;t serious regarding the drug/enhancement toxin problem. There would be an across the sports board zero-tolerance kick-&#039;em-out, no pardon, no recognition, no rewards policy if there was. That sports unions actually balk at placing drug stipulations on their activities is totally appalling to me, especially when I regularly see how many kids at PAL look up these sterling &quot;role models.&quot;  I know there are people who don&#039;t care whether they&#039;re watching bionicized sports or not, but if we&#039;re going to do that then abolish all awards and medals and trophies because they&#039;d all be shams gained under bogus unnatural means. It will really be just a competition between drug creators, not real natural beings.

James Greenidge
Queens NY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Battle of the Bionics</strong></p>
<p>Simply put, society just isn&#8217;t serious regarding the drug/enhancement toxin problem. There would be an across the sports board zero-tolerance kick-&#8217;em-out, no pardon, no recognition, no rewards policy if there was. That sports unions actually balk at placing drug stipulations on their activities is totally appalling to me, especially when I regularly see how many kids at PAL look up these sterling &#8220;role models.&#8221;  I know there are people who don&#8217;t care whether they&#8217;re watching bionicized sports or not, but if we&#8217;re going to do that then abolish all awards and medals and trophies because they&#8217;d all be shams gained under bogus unnatural means. It will really be just a competition between drug creators, not real natural beings.</p>
<p>James Greenidge<br />
Queens NY</p>
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		<title>By: mattymatt10</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattymatt10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And baseball is infinitely more interesting than football.  When the football is snapped, what&#039;s gonna happen?  They&#039;re either going to run it or pass it, and you know that only 4-5 players can actually touch it.  Wow.  Fascinating.  And it&#039;s extremely rare that the tide of a game will be turned by some tool in a zebra-stripe uniform calling penalties out of thin air.

Baseball is a thinking-person&#039;s game.  From knowing what pitch to throw, to what pitch to expect, to what strategy to deploy based on the situation and the point in the game, no game involves the intellect as much as baseball does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And baseball is infinitely more interesting than football.  When the football is snapped, what&#8217;s gonna happen?  They&#8217;re either going to run it or pass it, and you know that only 4-5 players can actually touch it.  Wow.  Fascinating.  And it&#8217;s extremely rare that the tide of a game will be turned by some tool in a zebra-stripe uniform calling penalties out of thin air.</p>
<p>Baseball is a thinking-person&#8217;s game.  From knowing what pitch to throw, to what pitch to expect, to what strategy to deploy based on the situation and the point in the game, no game involves the intellect as much as baseball does.</p>
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		<title>By: mattymatt10</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/end-the-baseball-freak-show/comment-page-1/#comment-196436</link>
		<dc:creator>mattymatt10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and as George Will said, &quot;There are only two seasons: baseball season and the void.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and as George Will said, &#8220;There are only two seasons: baseball season and the void.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mattymatt10</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/end-the-baseball-freak-show/comment-page-1/#comment-196435</link>
		<dc:creator>mattymatt10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a lifelong baseball fan (GO BREWERS) who does not know of a better way to spend an afternoon or evening at Miller Park in Milwaukee, WI. Unless they&#039;re playing the Cubs and the park is filled with drunken, boorish, idiot Cubs fans, but I digress... 

While I realize I&#039;m late getting into this discussion, I just can&#039;t let it pass without saying that I honestly don&#039;t care at all about the steroid scandal.  If baseball wants to punish them, fine, but the fact these players and their careers are forever tarnished is fine with me.  So there will be asterisks next to records and the last 20 years will be looked back on with scorn.  Big deal!  As others have commented, baseball will move on.  The players ruined themselves, not the game.  It is rare that one player can truly have a monumental impact over a 162 game season.  Besides, what are we going to do?  Sit here and whine and piss and moan?  (Baseball fans are good at that, just look back to the All-Star Game when it was held in Milwaukee)  It happend.  Move on.

Looking forward to the Brewers-Nationals 4 games series next year in D.C.  I&#039;ll be there for all four.  And I&#039;ll be sitting in the most expensive seats, gladly paying their inflated salaries, eating overpriced hot dogs and drinking overpriced Pepsis, and loving every minute of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a lifelong baseball fan (GO BREWERS) who does not know of a better way to spend an afternoon or evening at Miller Park in Milwaukee, WI. Unless they&#8217;re playing the Cubs and the park is filled with drunken, boorish, idiot Cubs fans, but I digress&#8230; </p>
<p>While I realize I&#8217;m late getting into this discussion, I just can&#8217;t let it pass without saying that I honestly don&#8217;t care at all about the steroid scandal.  If baseball wants to punish them, fine, but the fact these players and their careers are forever tarnished is fine with me.  So there will be asterisks next to records and the last 20 years will be looked back on with scorn.  Big deal!  As others have commented, baseball will move on.  The players ruined themselves, not the game.  It is rare that one player can truly have a monumental impact over a 162 game season.  Besides, what are we going to do?  Sit here and whine and piss and moan?  (Baseball fans are good at that, just look back to the All-Star Game when it was held in Milwaukee)  It happend.  Move on.</p>
<p>Looking forward to the Brewers-Nationals 4 games series next year in D.C.  I&#8217;ll be there for all four.  And I&#8217;ll be sitting in the most expensive seats, gladly paying their inflated salaries, eating overpriced hot dogs and drinking overpriced Pepsis, and loving every minute of it.</p>
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		<title>By: secondsight</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/end-the-baseball-freak-show/comment-page-1/#comment-196354</link>
		<dc:creator>secondsight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On December 14th, 2007 at 11:31 am, Alphonse said: 
I can’t believe how seriously politicians are taking a silly, boring game.

Is this the George Will influence?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
from the Mitchell report, on the independence of the investigation

&quot;I served as a member of the Blue Ribbon panel on baseball economics, which issued a report on that subject in July 2000. The other members of that panel were Richard C. Levin, Paul A. Volcker, and George F. Will.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On December 14th, 2007 at 11:31 am, Alphonse said:<br />
I can’t believe how seriously politicians are taking a silly, boring game.</p>
<p>Is this the George Will influence?</p></blockquote>
<p>from the Mitchell report, on the independence of the investigation</p>
<p>&#8220;I served as a member of the Blue Ribbon panel on baseball economics, which issued a report on that subject in July 2000. The other members of that panel were Richard C. Levin, Paul A. Volcker, and George F. Will.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: secondsight</title>
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		<dc:creator>secondsight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baseball is just like hiphop vids -- massive GREED on display. Who gives a damn? I&#039;d rather watch (and have when I can) curling. Much cooler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baseball is just like hiphop vids &#8212; massive GREED on display. Who gives a damn? I&#8217;d rather watch (and have when I can) curling. Much cooler.</p>
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		<title>By: beenthere</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/end-the-baseball-freak-show/comment-page-1/#comment-196335</link>
		<dc:creator>beenthere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread may be played out, but I feel I have to state for the record: the government has no business being in the sports business, in any capacity.  We have far more pressing concerns with our finite resources -- like protecting our lives and freedoms, little things like that.  And who invited George Mitchell into this?  The guy who gave us the &quot;Oslo Accords,&quot; the &quot;Kill Israelis for peace? guy?  Was Lee Hamilton not available?

This stuff is just crinkling celephane to make fire noises.  I haven&#039;t read the report -- how many have?  but for each of the cases, when and what steroids used.  That has a big effect on the criminality involved -- or has the business about no ex-post facto laws been made moot as well?  There are natural steroids, there are differing dosage levels, there are different reasons.  Didn&#039;t we learn anything from the war on drugs or prohibition?  

I&#039;m a weightlifter of sorts myself, and I don&#039;t touch the stuff.  No moral superiority here.  I just don&#039;t want to wake up one morning with a sudden compulsion to start putting Tom Selleck posters on my bedroom walls.  

Seriously, this is a low priority item.  Not even in the top 1000 compared with all that we are facing as a nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread may be played out, but I feel I have to state for the record: the government has no business being in the sports business, in any capacity.  We have far more pressing concerns with our finite resources &#8212; like protecting our lives and freedoms, little things like that.  And who invited George Mitchell into this?  The guy who gave us the &#8220;Oslo Accords,&#8221; the &#8220;Kill Israelis for peace? guy?  Was Lee Hamilton not available?</p>
<p>This stuff is just crinkling celephane to make fire noises.  I haven&#8217;t read the report &#8212; how many have?  but for each of the cases, when and what steroids used.  That has a big effect on the criminality involved &#8212; or has the business about no ex-post facto laws been made moot as well?  There are natural steroids, there are differing dosage levels, there are different reasons.  Didn&#8217;t we learn anything from the war on drugs or prohibition?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a weightlifter of sorts myself, and I don&#8217;t touch the stuff.  No moral superiority here.  I just don&#8217;t want to wake up one morning with a sudden compulsion to start putting Tom Selleck posters on my bedroom walls.  </p>
<p>Seriously, this is a low priority item.  Not even in the top 1000 compared with all that we are facing as a nation.</p>
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		<title>By: deepdiver</title>
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		<dc:creator>deepdiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The MLBPA is the best union in sports.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s like being the best whore in the whorehouse.  Or the best liberal democrat in congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The MLBPA is the best union in sports.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s like being the best whore in the whorehouse.  Or the best liberal democrat in congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Swift</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/end-the-baseball-freak-show/comment-page-1/#comment-196194</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;When Steroids Are Banned, Only Cheaters Have Them...&lt;/strong&gt;

The real heroes in this story are the players who were not afraid to take steroids because of some old-fashioned notion of fair play....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>When Steroids Are Banned, Only Cheaters Have Them&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The real heroes in this story are the players who were not afraid to take steroids because of some old-fashioned notion of fair play&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The baseball players union is out of control&lt;/blockquote&gt; and &lt;blockquote&gt;Then I found out they quit because their UNION decided to quit&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The MLBPA is the best union in sports. To throw the union under the bus shows a real misunderstanding of this union was fighting for. The &#039;81 strike was to maintain free agency.

I don&#039;t know what your employment situation is so I&#039;ll use mine. I&#039;m a lowly paralegal. If another firm offers me considerably more money, I&#039;m free to switch. If the owners got their way in 1981, I would only be able to switch if the other firm sent one of their paralegals to my old firm.

This is crazy. Good for the players for striking. It&#039;s never been about money (there&#039;s never been a cap). It&#039;s about creating an open market through free agency. It&#039;s how business works.

The football union is an absolute joke. I love football, but how terrible is it that the players contracts aren&#039;t guaranteed. If the owners decide a player is overpaid, he can be cut no questions asked. All the remaining money on the contract disappears. That&#039;s ridiculous!

Sure football insures competitive balance. That&#039;s great and all. But they do it at the expense of the people who actually make football profitable. That is a labor disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The baseball players union is out of control</p></blockquote>
<p> and<br />
<blockquote>Then I found out they quit because their UNION decided to quit</p></blockquote>
<p>The MLBPA is the best union in sports. To throw the union under the bus shows a real misunderstanding of this union was fighting for. The &#8216;81 strike was to maintain free agency.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what your employment situation is so I&#8217;ll use mine. I&#8217;m a lowly paralegal. If another firm offers me considerably more money, I&#8217;m free to switch. If the owners got their way in 1981, I would only be able to switch if the other firm sent one of their paralegals to my old firm.</p>
<p>This is crazy. Good for the players for striking. It&#8217;s never been about money (there&#8217;s never been a cap). It&#8217;s about creating an open market through free agency. It&#8217;s how business works.</p>
<p>The football union is an absolute joke. I love football, but how terrible is it that the players contracts aren&#8217;t guaranteed. If the owners decide a player is overpaid, he can be cut no questions asked. All the remaining money on the contract disappears. That&#8217;s ridiculous!</p>
<p>Sure football insures competitive balance. That&#8217;s great and all. But they do it at the expense of the people who actually make football profitable. That is a labor disgrace.</p>
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		<title>By: deepdiver</title>
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		<dc:creator>deepdiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quit with baseball when they quit me for the 1981 strike.  I was in Jr. High and loved the game.  Then they quit.  Just friggin&#039; quit.  Then I found out they quit because their UNION decided to quit.  Multi-millionaires with a union?  I had relatives in unions but they worked hard with their hands and didn&#039;t make millions a year doing it.  

From that point on their arrogance got greater and my interest get lower.  Eventually, when they instituted that play off game after the play offs but before some other play off game before the pennant race which is not called the pennant race anymore, I was done.  I asked some young guys talking baseball a few years ago who was winning the pennant race and they asked what a pennant was. :(  

Still, with all that, going to Wrigley Field and watching a game reminds me of what baseball used to be when they were the boys of summer, when they were someone for a kid to look up to, when a game took less than 2 hours, the players didn&#039;t whine because they knew how lucky they were to get to play baseball for a living and they treated their fans, especially the kids, like the most important people in the world.  Something magic about that stadium that brings it all back and I never even saw a game there as a kid, just as a late teen and adult.  There is hope for baseball, but I don&#039;t think they will be willing to save it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quit with baseball when they quit me for the 1981 strike.  I was in Jr. High and loved the game.  Then they quit.  Just friggin&#8217; quit.  Then I found out they quit because their UNION decided to quit.  Multi-millionaires with a union?  I had relatives in unions but they worked hard with their hands and didn&#8217;t make millions a year doing it.  </p>
<p>From that point on their arrogance got greater and my interest get lower.  Eventually, when they instituted that play off game after the play offs but before some other play off game before the pennant race which is not called the pennant race anymore, I was done.  I asked some young guys talking baseball a few years ago who was winning the pennant race and they asked what a pennant was. <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Still, with all that, going to Wrigley Field and watching a game reminds me of what baseball used to be when they were the boys of summer, when they were someone for a kid to look up to, when a game took less than 2 hours, the players didn&#8217;t whine because they knew how lucky they were to get to play baseball for a living and they treated their fans, especially the kids, like the most important people in the world.  Something magic about that stadium that brings it all back and I never even saw a game there as a kid, just as a late teen and adult.  There is hope for baseball, but I don&#8217;t think they will be willing to save it.</p>
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		<title>By: meatpieandtatters</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/14/end-the-baseball-freak-show/comment-page-1/#comment-196149</link>
		<dc:creator>meatpieandtatters</dc:creator>
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