That is, assuming I ever had any. It seems like month after month, if not day after day, I’m hearing more and more appalling stuff about what some Dutch are like, one of the latest cases being of a Dutch diplomatic couple who dumped their adopted Kor….

Still, it just seems to me this was entirely for show or a band aid solution to infertility problems. The wife may never have wanted a foreign child who was of a different race and when she was able to have a baby herself, the poor girl was probably further marginalized.

It’s a shame we treat serious things like adoption as a shopping trip and human beings as disposable.

Like you, I’m still trying to figure out just what puhiawa said, but it doesn’t sound very good. The Fact is, it sounds more like an insult to most everyone on this thread. Especially the part about “their rejects.” There are many reasons why a child is put up for adoption, many of which most of us can’t readily imagine. One that we can all appreciate is to provide a better life than the birth parents(or mother) can offer.

I know I would have never given up my two sons for adoption. I did, and still do, love them immensely, probably more than they will ever know.

But to call them “rejects” just galls me no end. Puhiawa, can you, or anybody else actually look into the parents mind, and see what their true motives are? I doubt it. Or maybe they don’t HAVE any parents, their parents are dead, for whatever reason – perhaps they are casualties of war, sectarian violence, or one of many reasons. Would you consider these to be “rejects”?

And your throwaway line that that is “something one would expect from the Chinese or Koreans” smacks of prejudice. I have no idea why you chose that phrase, and I don’t really think I want to know. I look at all the Chinese and Korean immigrants who have come here (legally) and who unconditionally love their children and push them on to be something the parents could never be. Many of them start by working 16-18 hour days at menial jobs, constantly struggling to make ends meet, just so their children can attend elite schools and colleges, where they generally do much better than Caucasian/Black/Latino students – because their parents love and care for them.

I have a friend, who I have known for years, a lovely Korean lady, who struggled to raise her son here in America, after the child’s father left her. The boy is now attending UCSD, and is doing very well, thank you.

In view of some of your other posts, I have a hard time accepting what you wrote. It has to be one of the most hateful things I’ve ever seen. Maybe you were trying to contrast the Dutch couple, or compare them, or whatever, but your point was completely lost in your last post.

My wife and I are going through the process of trying to adopt right now, and the thought that someone could be so heartless is sickening.

Regardless of Creed Color.

Mia culpa. One correction to my post above.

On December 14th, 2007 at 11:47 pm, Tipper said:
Does anyone remember Rob Long’s parody of celebrities adopting designer children from asia and africa–Madonna and Angelina Jolie..these people are sick.

Ok, here’s the deal. I do not agree with either of these ladies politics. Madonna rakes on my nerves like no other (image: feebz forced to listen to her album over and over on the way to Mendocino–trapped like a rat in her friends car). But the fact is, they are giving a child a better life. Period.

That said, I DO see more and more they do it more for their own selfish reasons, then for the “good of the children”. But, in the end, who can argue the fact that these children are being well fed and given a loving home against their alternative…living out their adolescent existence in an orphanage?

What is frustrating to me, is that these celebrities make enough money (obscene amounts of money) to give and provide enough to these countries to adopt whole families; ensuring they stay together, with their birth parents, which is the best possible scenario.

Although I am not fond of these celebrities and/or their motives, I am happy these children have found loving homes.

On December 15th, 2007 at 12:05 am, puhiawa said:
On December 14th, 2007 at 11:52 pm, Tipper
It is more than intolerant, it is creepy. Very, very creepy. Something one would expect from the Chinese or Koreans, who would die before they had a Caucasian or Black baby in their household, but who expect everyone else in the Universe to ADORE their rejects

Holy moly, I hope I read that wrong. I’ll be completely honest with you. Your posts seriously frustrate me. These people ;(this specific Dutch couple_) are a morally and ethically a bankrupt bunch. But there is no need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

AND, there is certainly no need to make broad sweeping statements about the Chinese or Koreans.

I don’t appreciate you implying that any particular culture has an inability to want what is best for their children.

We come in all different sizes, colors and religions. WE are all capable of indignity and all are capable of selflessness, compassion and warmth. Regardless of Creed.

I don’t mean to be pissy here, but honestly, please stop with your broad sweeping statements. Perhaps you mean well….but you are WAY off on your post #76!

It is more than intolerant, it is creepy. Very, very creepy. Something one would expect from the Chinese or Koreans, who would die before they had a Caucasian or Black baby in their household, but who expect everyone else in the Universe to ADORE their rejects.

In Holland, they could just give their sick child to a doctor, and have him put to sleep like a stray dog.

Elite mucks suck.