Blubbering in Bali
For crying out loud:
He is known as the “hard man” of climate-change negotiation.
But after 12 exhausting days of trying to reach a worldwide agreement on reducing greenhouse gas emissions, it was suddenly all too much for Yvo de Boer.
As the 200-nation Bali conference wrangled over a minor procedural matter, the Dutch diplomat in charge of the talks burst into tears and had to be led away by colleagues.
Don’t you wish John Bolton were still around to man up the U.N.?
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I want him to be president.
Hysterical. Really. What happened to the Dutch?
Blubbering is right. What a waste of time for the average citizen. Only good it does is for the politicians. They can go home and demand more money to fight this scare.
Maybe his conscience got the better of him.
He must be crying over all that CO2 that was generated because of this conference. Got Guilt?
It was the exhaust fumes from the private jets warming up making his eyes water. Either that, or he found out he was stuck with the fuel tab for all the jets.
They don’t seem to care about all the people who’d be crying, homeless, jobless, childless and broke if their eco-tax and eco-friendly anti-family policy fantasies came to pass do they?
It must have dawned on him that one of his best spokesmen lives in a home that uses the resources of a year in but a month, and flies in a private jet…
Why is the US such a target?
Concerning Gore:
Do you really think he will ever be able to convince China to buy carbon credits from his company? Nope but, there is a nation (USA) full of id10t’s who are waiting to dole out millions to ManBearPig and ManBearPig is not stupid. Target the US and force them to pay. There are already some Dimocraps who want to tax us based on carbon use.
Will someone PLEASE tell the Dimocraps that CO2 is NOT a green house gas!!!
The real reason that Dutch diplomat is crying is because he’s starting to realize that he may have opened that Swiss bank account for nothing.
straight to the cracker factory. coo coo
Wow, give it a rest guys.
Whether or not you believe in Global Warming, or humanity’s effect on it, has no bearing here.
While I think the term ’sissy’ comes to my mind pretty quickly with this story, I also feel kind of bad for the guy. He obviously believes in his position with his whole heart (not just a band-wagon jumper) and was extremely distraught over the politics of something HE believes to be a no-brainer.
Whether he’s right or not, I wish more people put the same passion into the things they believed in as he did.
The facial expressions on the two gentlemen in the Daily Mail picture are priceless. It looks like they are thinking: “Crying? Crying?? There’s no crying in Bali-ball!!”
Al Gore is a Pagan
And meanwhile more and more information continues to surface that exposes this whole global warming crap as just one more left wing cooked up crock of nonsense designed to redistribute wealth.
Hopefully the US can hold out long enough to be spared the staggering cost fighting normal climate cycles…better known as climate change/global warming. All the money in the world could be spent trying to alter the climate and it would accomplish absolutely nothing!
Now is somebody can figure out how to move the Sun, then we can talk about changing the earth’s climate. Idiots!
LOL, they are nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats who cry when they can’t get their way. he couldn’t negotiate with 200 countries so he cries like a baby.
frankly, sounds like a typical libtard to me. all worked up emotionally without rational thought, his emotions finally got the best of him and he LOST control of himself. how typical of the lefty loons, they have no control or discipline over their emotions. probably why they fear republicans we are capable of logic and reason and this is something that is foreign to them.
You mean like, Hitler?
#12 said:
I believe that’s just what Hitler said about Mussolini.
I also have a feeling that’s just what Ortega believes about Chavez today.
Mr. Vibeman, it’s also important to realize that “passion” has consequences.
No country that is growing economically is going to agree to this mythical silliness called Global Warming, Climate change hysteria if, it affects them. This pathetic display of emotion because he could not get what the US blaming countries wanted is not as pathetic as Al Gore’s comments.
I call this hyperbole. What say you?
Irrational also comes to mind.
The part that makes me want to cry is this quote:
To what, exactly, did we just agree?
Pretty shirt, btw…
I -passionately- dislike ManBearPig and everyone who is trying to shove ManBearPig’s personal, anti-American agenda down our throats.
I blame Bush.
I am so glad I wasn’t drinking or eating anything when I read this. Thank you for a hearty Monday laugh!
Reminds me of my young children who break down and cry when they don’t get their way.
Just to funny really what else is there to say.
Well I have more
“Whether he’s right or not, I wish more people put the same passion into the things they believed in as he did.”
Like maybe religious people who have passion would be relative to this Church of Global Warming?
The Reverend Al Gore will cry into your tv screens ala the Bakers to.
Me personally I am passionate about the WOT but guess what I am not going to cry I am going to do what I can as a citizen to win.
Wait, wait , wait…
According to AlGore, the US is the reason we haven’t solved global warming, and according to sufferers of BDS, AlGore is the real president. So, if he’s the real president AND the US is the problem, doesn’t that make AlGore the true villian in this play?
Megga ditto’s.
I am passionate about my Faith but if I try and force everyone to believe it (even though I know it is true Faith) I would be called a bigot (and I have been - even here) and intolerant at the very least.
We need John Bolton and a bunch more just like him in government to save our country.
People come around to the truth eventually… Well, at least some of us do.
If this mysticism (global warming) is true. Why, denounce the naysayers or determine that there is no reason for debate? Case closed, if you will?
Sounds like someone with something to hide. I have questions but according to the Goracle, my questions are irrelevant and all that is really needed of me is to fork over my hard earned money. Yeah - fat chance.
Unlike your Noble Peace Prize - you are going to have to earn my support. So far not so good.
Kendrick,#28 I had a nightmare like that once.
Hey, I can beat that. I knew an environmental nut who was so sure that humanity was the problem that he committed suicide. When you become hysterically irrational, you are apt to do insane things.
Of course, there is another possibility. His best friends are that Dutch couple who dumped their adopted Korean girl child. Or maybe, he realizes that the Dutch nation, with its idiotic open border welfare state, is on the verge of collapse thanks to Islam.
I think you put your finger on the problem. I he tried using his head instead of his heart–or using reason rather than faith–he might maintain his composure.
Anyone else notice that his name is an anagram for “Do over. Bye!”
I might have been to hard on him. He probably had just seen the bar tab on his hotel bill. “How much for a Heineken?!?”
For all you people comparing his passion to Hitler and Ortega, I can think of a few more people that had passion too…like Jesus Christ, and Ghandi, and Mother Theresa, and Michelle Malkin, and Rush, and yes…the evil guys too.
I was just commending him on the passion inspired in him by his beliefs, not the content or veracity.
How easy it is to knock someone when they don’t believe in the same things you do. Kick him while he’s down some more if it makes you feel good.
I’ll tell you why he’s crying: Because the fellow from Papua, New Guinea, gets total credit for getting the US on board this train wreck.
Here’s how it went, as reported in the WaPo:
Meet the new Gorbasim, Kevin Conrad.
John Bolton for President!
Its not too late.
None of these people that you mentioned resorted to crying when their words weren’t persuasive enough.
He chose his line of work and accepted all that came with the territory. And that includes having to deal with the world and how they view you when you have a meltdown on center stage.
And it’s not necessarily his message that’s under attack. Hell, I love my dog and can’t stand PETA. Does that make me a bad person?
Again, the global warming advocates haven’t done enough to convince the world that they should buy in. As I mentioned above, Al Gore doesn’t think there is any need for debate. Says who? Him. World governments are going fork over billions of dollars to cause they can’t sufficiently defend and it’s our fault for enjoying the show? Nah, no thank you. Not going to feel bad about this one at all.
Couldn’t have said it better 30, BZ!
Thanks PB!
If he’s having a mental breakdown fine, let him get medical help. But hey, do you really want delegates to international events sobbing when they don’t get their way? I mean really…
AlohaGuy, succinct and to the point. Unlike my verbose comment.
I could understand tears for children around the world of genocides or famine or AIDS but, this nonsense? I don’t know about kicking him while he’s down but, how about a kick in the butt!
Come on, give me a break! This butterfly boy is trying to convince the world to commit 100’s of billions of dollars to his ideology about what the world should look like and he is wearing a Hawaiian shirt? Probably wearing sandals and no socks too.
They want to fight climate change? Does that mean it is perfect right now? Who gets to decide that it is perfect? Who gets to tell people that if the climate in their area begins to moderate for the better, the rest of us will make sure it doesn’t happen? Change is the natural progression of things.
I wonder if President Bush will get a thank you from anyone for not signing Kyoto? NO country that signed has met their first threshold of compliance and now they owe billions of dollars in fines. That could have been us and we would be the only country dumb enough to pony up the money.
Hope you didn’t take my comments personally. It’s been my experience that passion with brains can be inspirational. Passion without brains can be scary.
#36, Vibeman said:
I wasn’t comparing Mr. de Boer to scum like Hitler and Ortega, I was highlighting the fact that the best of socialist intentions often leads to the worst of human misery, passion not withstanding. To quote an earlier (and much wiser) contributor, “passion has consequences.”
Many of the responses on this page which you are comparing to “playground behavior” are merely “push back” against a liberal ideology which excludes and ridicules all opposing thought. The irony of Mr. de Boer’s tears is, not his discomfort, but rather his reaction when total consensus is not so easily achieved.
he was just getting in touch with his feminine side
cry baby
#47, well said Brian.
Careful…
If this guy is soooo moved by his beliefs, then it’s time he take a serious look at FACTS. This whole thing is based on projections not actual historic facts and even a tiny bit of logic applied to documented global climate changes through history.
The problem is these fanatics demanding Herculean efforts and enormous amounts of money to change the earth’s climate with nothing more than a leap of faith that it would accomplish anything. Come on people!!!!
This guy and the rest of the good folks at that conference are calling for things like carbon taxes and a new global bureaucratic mess that will probably cost me more in products, services, and taxes for little or no benefit. Anyone who is reaching for my wallet deserves a smackdown. Even if he wasn’t a blubbering idiot he wouldn’t get much approval from me. Call me callous but I call them as I see them.
And what did come out of this Bali agreement? An agreement to make an agreement in the future. These politicians are just kicking the can down the road. But what do you expect from these folks anyway? I sure hope you don’t expect meaningful technical solutions because most of these folks are not scientists or engineers with a practical grasp of physics, as it relates to energy production, transfer, or utilization.
For crying shame!
Actually, there is very little difference in the way Fred! thinks and Bolton thinks.
And to think we are paying a large percentage of tax payer money to fund the Bali bile.
I’d have more sympathy if the “Crying Dutchman” had shed a tear or two for the little adopted Korean girl that his fellow Dutch diplomat abandoned.
This guy’s a cheesy wuss. He must be pelted with Gouda.
Wonder if he was really crying because his private jet couldn’t get a parking spot in Bali he’s so inconvenienced that he had to park it on another island.
Exactly! This is a scam. I believe in Global Warming myself. I just don’t believe it’s man-made.
Why ELSE would the ice caps on Mars be melting as well? I guess a surge in solar activity has nothing to do with it, or perhaps the Earth’s weather has always and will always be cyclical?
I suppose our so-called man made pollution is reaching all the way to Mars too? I guess only the MOONbats would think so!
Such as the fact that these reductions are meaningless unless China and India do something too?
In fact, why is it that non of the greenies will ever address this point. If the 2 largest emerging polluters do nothing than what praytell, will token reductions do, other than waste money? Oh I know, it’ll make liberals feel good about themsevles, which is what all their politics are about nowdays.
BALI BUNCHA BALONEY
No wonder Yvo de Boer was crying.
Gore’s speech at Bali was political hot air containing more than 50 errors, inaccuracies and mis-truths. Just a few ‘problems’: (1) The evidence that warming is occurring AT ALL is disappearing; land-based thermometer stations are so screwed up their measurements are just not credible, and satellite show the planet cooling since 1998, (2) Sea level is not actually rising at all, and one leading Swedish scientist is now accusing the IPCC of faking their sea level data, (3) It’s increasingly clear that CO2 cannot effect future temperatures, because raising the CO2 concentrations would not raise temperature much at all, (4) The climate models do not fit anymore, they’re drifting farther and farther from the real data, (5) Greenland is not melting, it’s thickening, and so is Antarctica, (6) Polar bears are increasing in numbers, and historically they have survived huge climate changes without problem, (7) Consensus is falling away, and more than 100 scientists have dropped out of the game to send the UN and all country heads a letter saying global warming theory is politically biased, the data is full of errors, and efforts to stop this non-problem will just waste money.
I work in statistics and theoretical model building, and I am ashamed my fellow scientists would have let weeping political fools railroad them so far from the truth.
Behold the problem of government grants.
Such as the fact that these reductions are meaningless unless China and India do something too?
Good point that is always left out of the America bashing. Only the United States is to blame. I guess they want us to believe that air doesn’t move beyond the borders of India or China.
… for that matter, any ideological organization that gives money to “science.”
Other than waste money? Bring down the American Economy…pure and simple. It’s fear and loathing.
Nothing would please them more than to bring down this country in any which way they can. They have what I call country envy. Always have and always will. The US is the leader, innovator, etc. They hate our freedoms, they have everything we stand for because THEY can’t compete with us.
JOHN BOLTON for PRESIDENT of the U.S.
I no longer want my $$$$ (22% of UN budget did he say?!) going to the hate the U.S. international crowd.
Is A. Gore really a citizen of the U.S.?
Maybe he’s crying because it’s scientists have discovered that magma is melting the ice in Greenland, their prime place for showing how global warming is melting the ice.
(However, if you read the article you’ll see that the authors, for whatever reason *cough* ideological *cough* still want to blame the majority of the melting on global warming. Seems odd, since I bet searing hot magma would melt substantially more things than a 2 degree shift, but then again I’m not junk scientist.)
30 pcs.-It’s not only hyperbole,it’s also historically dead wrong.The times of least conflict in human history have been the during warming trends.In fact the Global Warming crowd are wrong in all of their presumtions,from whether or not it is happening ,to the results if it is happening.The only certain result of world-wide acceptance of this fallacy is a lot of money in Al Gore’s pocket.Not only from the sale of carbon credits,but also from industry switching from coal to natural gas and increased profits for Occidental Petroleum.
Why do you think the country was called GREENland? And it’s not because ICEland was already taken.
Searing hot magma? Of course, that would be too logical and wouldn’t involve any carbon credits.
WELL, TO BE PRECISE, the term ‘Greenland’ is part of a real estate development scam. Erik the Red was banned from Norway, for killing people on purpose for not very good reasons. He fled to Iceland, but got in trouble there, too. Through mariners, he learned of this large unsettled area to the North-West. He convinced others to come with him by calling it ‘Greenland’.
Although it was greener than it is now, it was still very cold and icy. Still, it was warm enough to run dairy cattle, and the colony prospered for centuries, partly by trading cheeses with Norway and elsewhere.
The fact that these lies persist is just unconscionable is just unimaginable. The simple fact is, the air and water and earth is by far cleaner and healthier than it has ever been since well before the Industrial Revolution began, if not before man walked the earth. Period. As i am going to be turning the big 40 in Feb., just to be giving a point of referrence, when I was a child in grade, school, it was not uncommon to be driving along the road and see garbage and pollution littering the streets and highways everywhere. The streams and ponds always had that familiar rainbow slick of oil in it, in the fields surrounding my house there were oil filters and garbage everywhere. The sky was brown and if you watch any movie from the 70’s, you can see the litter in the streets and the garbage in the air and such.
Is any of that in the sky or ground or anywhere noww? No, you don’t. Lake Eerie was once off limits to swimming and fishing. How about now? In fact, is there really anywhere that you wouldn’t really want to fish or swim? Be honest? Sure, there are urban rumors, but honestly?
No.
So why does this lie, this big Boggie Man of theirs seem to not only be allowed to persist, but be growing bigger? Why are they, the Liberals and the Democrats, being allowed to take credit for this, when it was the Republicans who began the EPA to begin with? The Dems were not n the forefront of the Environment. Heck, it was a Republican who started the National Parks Service, for cryin out loud.
Why is this just another example of Republicans and Conservatives rolling over and allowing these lying, two bit, snake in the grass, Socialist, deceitful pigs to keep holding this country and , in fact, the world hostage to this lie, to where if it is questioned, or if, indeed, the truth about the lie of “Global Warming” is exposed, the newest for of the Inqusition is brought down upon the heretic by the Cardinal Algore?
When will this Party and the Conservative movement cease being spineless jellyfish and let both nads drop and allow the truth about the state of the world and the fact that the United States is not only clean but has led the world in cleanliness come out? Who will be the brave soul to punch gore in the proverbial mouth and stand up for all of us and shut them down so we, as a society, can once again move forward?
In the 70’s, the Cleveland River SOMETIMES CAUGHT FIRE!
You’re right, we have come a very long way from those days, and the Cleveland River is much better than it was. It was cleaned up by ordinary people and politicians coming together to solve a common problem. The litter was not even very unhygienic, but it was ugly, and I’m glad it has been cleaned up.
The way forward is to use common sense, to solve problems when they become clear. To let ourselves be railroaded by these UN doomsters is an enormous mistake.
It is all of the SUV’s. I am going to submit legislation, only Hybrid cars can be sold on Mars. I will make sure I have the only car dealership on Mars first and that anybody who wants to own a car dealership has to pay me for the privilege.
I am very passionate about this.
Or histrionics. Either one is silly.
WELL, OF COURSE the global warming doomsters try to ignore the Mars data, and focus instead on Venus. They claim that Venus is very hot and it has lots of CO2 in its atmosphere. I’m serious, they don’t bother to mention how close Venus is to the sun. Gore just said this in Bali. People applauded!
AS FOR WHAT TO DO, the place to start is to insist that we don’t agree with this crap, but it’s a free country.
Everyone in the world who believes in global warming can walk everywhere. They can swim to Bali. Let them eat Vegan food, a combination of grains, tofu, and sawdust. No cars, no vehicles, no planes, no motorized devices, no heat, no synthetic clothing. Keep your own sheep, but don’t let them poop, because that makes methane, a greenhouse gas.
If 2 billion people did this, worldwide, it would make no difference. We know that, but they don’t. So let them ‘walk the walk’ for change. It’s fine with me.
John Bolton raised a good point!
Wonder why the conference wasn’t held in New York, the HQ for the corrupt UN.
Probably because it was too darn cold!?
Well that’s just it, then isn’t it? The hypocrites that are out there screaming and preaching to all us little people about how evil we are being to Mother Gaia, and who are terrifying our children and brainwashing them to believe that we need to move into caves and eat raw food and freeze to death in the Winter and roast to death in the summer are not having to suffer in the least. Sure, some of them are able to afford the extra several thousands of dollars it costs to buy the Prius’ and other Highbreds, but for the rest of us, we just can’t afford it. In California, there is a movement on to outlaw regular light bulbs. Instead of paying $0.35 for a regular incandecent lamp, you now are going to be forced to pay $9.00 for a comopact flourescent bulb, that you will only be allowed to have on for a certain amount of time anyway. They are going to tax you through the roof for the time you spend with you lights on as a way to get you to “conserve”. Yet, in Sacramento County, they have just passed a law, making it illegal to burn wood in you fireplace on certain days when the “air quality” is bad.
That’s right. See, Sacramento County is in a valey, where in the Winter, the air sits stagnant, unless there is wind. Thus, the pollution from cars and factories and such sits stagnant, and with the cold, it can be seen with the normal haze and fog. thus, the County officials have decided that the actual fiend in all this is the smoke from people’s chimneys. So, at a time when SMUD (the local power company) and PG&E raise their rates 50%-80% higher, they will have days when you cannot use alternative means to heat your house.
This will result in the elderly, who have already bought inserts and pellet stoves as a way to heat their homes since they live on fixed incomes and cannot afford the outrageous increases, let alone afford a rise in the price of tuna, to make a choice. Do they pay for their medications that month? Or do their actually pay to heat their homes? Since the elderly already have poor circulations and require their homes to be heated higher than younger people already, the calls for Hypothermia will increase. The last two days in Sacramento County, the temperatures were below freezing at night, in the high 20’s to low 30’s, and both nights were burning bans.
Now, keep in mind, burning wood pellets and regular fire wood is a much cleaner option than the coal and oil being burned at the power plants that SMUD and PG&E use that will be going into overdrive as soon as all these people turn on their electric heaters and space heaters.
So, this is the environmentalists way of “cleaning up the air”
They are putting the elderly and the young at risk by freezing out the poorest of them all. This is the Liberals at work, showing how they are the one who care about the poor and always have everyones best interest at heart in everything they do.
Yup, I hate Liberals. Nothing says, “take away all your rights and freedoms” like saying, “Hey, I’m a Liberal and I vote Democrat”. Hate them with a passion.
WHY BALI? WHY NEW YORK? IQALUIT!
YES, the best place to discuss global warming is in Iqaluit. It’s in Canada, close to the North Pole. It has beautiful landscape, icebergs, pack ice, ‘bergy bits’ and ‘growlers’. Polar bears, whales, seals, some northern lights.
Weather today is bracing, but lovely: “Clear, -30 Celsius, with -47 Celsius windchill.” That’s a little cooler than normal. Good airport, nice accommodations. Overflow attendees can stay in tents, commute to conference by Skidoo.
I want all those bloody fools to go up there, and talk about the disasters of warming. If some of them freeze to death, the local Inuit can use them for polar bear bait.
Here’s the story you won’t see in the MSM about a letter to the General Secretary of the UN about the waste of time and money the Bali conference is.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/12/14/scientists-send-letter-un-give-futile-climate-change-battle
If he was really weeping over dying polar bears, he would have been a little more concerned about all the global warming gasses produced by this conference. The real reason for the conference in Bali was for show (and to bash the US); otherwise, they would have tried to set an example. They didn’t have to jet everyone into Bali just to accomplish nothing.
If the Bali bash wasn’t all for show, why didn’t they use internet conferencing? Oh wait! That would have been a conflict of interest because Al Gore invented the internet. I forgot.
I’d be more in favor of the global activism if they’d use it to turn off all those darned insecurity lights at night and quit blocking the view of the stars!
Make that global warming activism. My passion got in the way of my proofreading.
THERE IS NO GLOBAL CLIMATE.
Just because an astronaut took a picture of our Earth, does not mean that our planet is a ‘unity’. Gaia is probably not home. There is no global weather, in the sense that weather can occur on one part of the globe which does not significantly influence weather in another part of the globe.
Climate is an averaged form of weather, and because weather is local, or regional, climate has historically been considered local, or regional.
After the space picture of Earth became well known, many people came to see the Earth as a unity, but the concept of Global Climate is a theory which is not proved.
To prove that there IS a global climate, one must resolve orthogonalities. Data sets are orthogonal if they show zero correlation with each other. That is, orthogonal data sets are statistically and stochastically independent, they are not causally connected to each other. If two data sets are only somewhat correlated, then they are also mostly orthogonal.
Therefore, if Northern and Southern hemisphere data are only poorly correlated, they are mostly orthogonal, thus they are mostly not causally connected. But this happens all the time in climate research!
Surface temperature data varies up and down and all over the place, even if one uses only the most valid data sets. AGW theorists are constantly implicitly confirming the lack of ‘Globality’ in their data. For example, the Northern and Southern hemispheres are hypothesized to show more warming effects than the tropics.
Observationally, the North is different from the South. Greenland is (falsely) thought to be melting, but Antarctica is not. Some ocean areas are thought to be heating, others cooling. Fine, but all this disproves ‘Globality’. That is, if global warming is occurring, temperatures throughout the globe MUST move together, they MUST be correlated in a non-trivial way. Fundamentally, there must be a proven causal force which determines all local and regional weather and climates.
Otherwise, the ‘No Global Climate’ hypothesis must be accepted as true.
I will date myself as well…..the Indian crying and asking me not to litter literally made me stop littering.
I was not forced I did not have my pockets picked I just understood that throwing those big ol styrofoam McDonald’s packages out the window was bad.
I find the whole religion of Global Warming which by the way in the 70’s was a coming ice age beyond the realm of intellectual reality and a fraud upon the whole of the world.
#71 I think your you’re refering to the Cuyahoga River that runs through Cleveland. And it caught fire no more than twice that I can remember growing up there, although the former mayor, Ralph Perk set his hair on fire in public about the same time perhaps as a show of solidarity
Jaded, I remember that commercial too. Everyone talks about China, India as being major polluters. Let me give you a big eye opener. I went to Greece in 2000 for my honeymoon. I could NOT breathe in the city of Athens, as the pollution from cars was chokingly unbearable (this was at the end of September, and I couldn’t imagine being there in the middle of summer). We went to the port city of Piraes to catch a ferry to one of the islands, and I almost passed out down there because of the pollution. I ended up with a major headache and being dizzy for the rest of the day.
Once we arrived on Santorini, I was amazed at all the trash that was thrown all over the place - along the roadways, in the fields, along the hills, etc., not to mention on the short beaches.
Makes you really appreciate how CLEAN the united states is compared to Greece. I almost felt like a Liberal when I was there. I was appalled by the pollution in the air and on the ground.
Is the Potomac River considered hazardous? I remember when I was a kid and we went to DC to go to various tourist places (my favorite was the Smithsonian). We stopped at some place, and I can’t for the life of me remember where this was, but it was some sort of park, and I remember seeing a sign posted right next to the Potomac that warned visitors to not even put their hand in the water.
Still that way?
yes. they don’t make men like michael bolton anymore.
Poor baby.
“The simple fact is, the air and water and earth is by far cleaner and healthier than it has ever been since well before the Industrial Revolution began, if not before man walked the earth. Period.” #70
You’re kidding, right?
Say a prayer now: Thank God Gore is not our President.
On December 18th, 2007 at 8:34 am,
I don’t think he is.
I wonder how many times the Cuyahoga River caught fire before man walked the Earth? Global Warming or not, that is some serious pollution.
Wow, someone cried today. BFD
No, I am not kidding. While the planet was pristine before man arrived, afterwards, he began his quest of, well as trehuggers view it, “wanton destruction”. Up untik Teddy Roosevelt decided that there were placrs in this country that were just too damn beautiful to mess with, man in this country was continually expanding and destroying everything. There was pollution rvrtywhere that had been going on non=stop since man walked upright/was booted out of the garden. Especially follwing the Industrial Revolution, when all that fast and quick industrialization produced more chemicals and pollutants than the world had ever seen let alone known what could do to us or that was harmful.
Enter the modern era of the Republican created EPA and the chemists with a cnscience and people who see and realize what the rapid expansion of all this success and industry means and the damage it has done to the world and the environment. Thus the clean-up began. It took a few decades, with the bulk of it beginning in the seventies, but as we stand now…
yes, right now we stand where we are now cleaner than we were than before the industrial revolution and possibly even than when man began roaming the earth based on all I just stated.
Now you prove you stance as to why we aren’t? Why are we dirtier? Hmm?
THEY WAY TO STOP
these devious manipulative fools is to de-fund their research. Giving money to people who run around saying the sky is falling will just make them run around more and shout louder.
Furthermore, as the money flows more easily, they feel more empowered to stray farther and farther from the truth. If you read the websites habituated by these people, they refuse to even discuss the very deep problems with their research.
Their science gets worse and worse, and still the money flows.
Money should go to those who want to double-check the existing research, and find out why it is so self-contradictory.
Money should also go to those who want to do cost-benefit analyses of the key trade-offs. For example, if you had 3 trillion $$$ to spend, how many lives could you save if, (1) you used it to help the poor directly, or (2) you used it to ‘fight’ with global warming? The UN will NEVER address such questions.
hehe.. RetFireman, I just want to make sure I did not misinterpret what you are saying. You are saying that earth today is cleaner and less polluted than it ever was before man appeared on the scene however many thousand years ago, correct? I live in Brooklyn NY, and I only have to take one step out my front door to know that is not true. I can’t even fathom how anyone could possibly make such a claim.
Certainly the rate of pollution by man has improved from what it was a few decades ago in the sense that there is increased responsibility, awareness and technology to control or neutralize pollution, on that point I agree, but to claim the pre-human pristine (your word in fact) state of the planet was never as unpolluted as it is now is clearly a jaw-dropping fallacy. I have to ask - are you on the same planet as the rest of us?
Perhaps I misinterpreted the comment you made though - if so, consider my responses completely irrelevant.
YES, YOU’RE RIGHT, it is the Cuyahoga River I was referring to. Apparently it has caught fire quite a few times since 1936. They have cleaned it up a lot and now it is a ‘National Heritage River’ (Wiki)
Classic
Radical enviromentalists are all watermellons: green on the outside, red on the inside.
The ol’ externalities argument is the best way to undermine confidence in the efficacy of markets and thus the most reliable way to justify government intervention in economic affairs. This has been especially true since the fall of communism. Radical environmentalism is the last, best chance for the implementation of socialism.
Why do you think Earth Day happens to fall on Lenin’s birthday?
Say hello to the next Jimma Coter, Alwhore, Let’s go to another country an blame the U.S. for all the world’s problems. Freakin traitor’s should be shot and burried face up under my computer chair so they can all kiss my ars.