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	<title>Comments on: Victory: Democrats roll over on Iraq/Afghanistan war funding; Update: Spending bill package passes</title>
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		<title>By: The (Not So) Great Earmark Debate &#171; Two-Ring Circus</title>
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		<dc:creator>The (Not So) Great Earmark Debate &#171; Two-Ring Circus</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] war bill in December of 2007. Cries of &#8220;but you aren&#8217;t supporting the troops!&#8221; convinced them otherwise. Bank on Democrats (successfully) trying the same tactic against Republicans this time [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] war bill in December of 2007. Cries of &#8220;but you aren&#8217;t supporting the troops!&#8221; convinced them otherwise. Bank on Democrats (successfully) trying the same tactic against Republicans this time [...]</p>
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		<title>By: a086483e3adc71941c8b</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Liberty Pundit</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/18/victory-democrats-roll-over-on-iraqafghanistan-war-funding/comment-page-1/#comment-199909</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I&#8217;ll Bet The Feeling Is Mutual...&lt;/strong&gt;

The New York Times writes that Harry Reid&#8217;s relationship with President Bush has &quot;entered&quot; a deep&#8230;
Popularity: unranked [?]......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I&#8217;ll Bet The Feeling Is Mutual&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The New York Times writes that Harry Reid&#8217;s relationship with President Bush has &quot;entered&quot; a deep&#8230;<br />
Popularity: unranked [?]&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian72</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe that these Democrats thought they could hold back funding for U.S. forces in harm&#039;s way to bully the President into handing them a political victory. That is all this was about, Democrat fundraising for the &#039;08 cycle.

They honestly thought they would be able to spin the vetoes as &quot;Bush vetoes children&quot;, &quot;Bush vetoes troops in the field&quot;. The people who follow this stuff closely never fell for that sham, not for one second. 

 The Democrats in Congress have internal polling that alerted them to their failure to convince people that Bush was to blame for Congressional incompetence.
Their plan went over like a whiffle boat.

Maybe Harry &quot;the body&quot; Reid was right when he said &quot;the war is lost&quot;, if he meant the Democrats war against the President. Yes, he&#039;s a loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe that these Democrats thought they could hold back funding for U.S. forces in harm&#8217;s way to bully the President into handing them a political victory. That is all this was about, Democrat fundraising for the &#8217;08 cycle.</p>
<p>They honestly thought they would be able to spin the vetoes as &#8220;Bush vetoes children&#8221;, &#8220;Bush vetoes troops in the field&#8221;. The people who follow this stuff closely never fell for that sham, not for one second. </p>
<p> The Democrats in Congress have internal polling that alerted them to their failure to convince people that Bush was to blame for Congressional incompetence.<br />
Their plan went over like a whiffle boat.</p>
<p>Maybe Harry &#8220;the body&#8221; Reid was right when he said &#8220;the war is lost&#8221;, if he meant the Democrats war against the President. Yes, he&#8217;s a loser.</p>
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		<title>By: corkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>corkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle, I know you’re frustrated by some aspects of the current legislation, but I really think it’s in our best interest to avoid framing this as, “they surrendered to defense spending authorization.”

Say what you want about other aspects of the legislation, but I think we are missing out on a golden opportunity to portray this as, “the Democrats are joining the fight.”

The benefits of doing so would be;

1. It would show a united front against our enemies.
2. It would unhinge the far left and contribute to the already developing party fracture.
3. It might get more members of Congress and Americans to actually route for victory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, I know you’re frustrated by some aspects of the current legislation, but I really think it’s in our best interest to avoid framing this as, “they surrendered to defense spending authorization.”</p>
<p>Say what you want about other aspects of the legislation, but I think we are missing out on a golden opportunity to portray this as, “the Democrats are joining the fight.”</p>
<p>The benefits of doing so would be;</p>
<p>1. It would show a united front against our enemies.<br />
2. It would unhinge the far left and contribute to the already developing party fracture.<br />
3. It might get more members of Congress and Americans to actually route for victory.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarryD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, in order to vote an incumbent out, you need to have a challenger to vote &lt;em&gt;for&lt;/em&gt;.

Last time anyone dared take a poll on the subject, some 75% of all Americans supported Term Limits for Congress.  That support cut across all categorizations, age, gender, race, party affiliation.

Professional politicians, for obvious reasons, don&#039;t support this, so if we&#039;re going to get it, we need to pressure them, starting with the state legislators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, in order to vote an incumbent out, you need to have a challenger to vote <em>for</em>.</p>
<p>Last time anyone dared take a poll on the subject, some 75% of all Americans supported Term Limits for Congress.  That support cut across all categorizations, age, gender, race, party affiliation.</p>
<p>Professional politicians, for obvious reasons, don&#8217;t support this, so if we&#8217;re going to get it, we need to pressure them, starting with the state legislators.</p>
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		<title>By: 30 pcs of silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>30 pcs of silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PB - it is unacceptable and we&#039;ll have our say soon enough. I don&#039;t want to count my chickens before they hatch but I am beginning to think that Dems don&#039;t have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the WH if they keep this up. 

They continue to go against the tide. Most Americans want our border secure, our troops funded, less not more taxes, etc... The more they show of themselves the less likely they are received well. You know the metaphor &quot;like putting lipstick on a pig...&quot;  She&#039;s still a pig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PB &#8211; it is unacceptable and we&#8217;ll have our say soon enough. I don&#8217;t want to count my chickens before they hatch but I am beginning to think that Dems don&#8217;t have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the WH if they keep this up. </p>
<p>They continue to go against the tide. Most Americans want our border secure, our troops funded, less not more taxes, etc&#8230; The more they show of themselves the less likely they are received well. You know the metaphor &#8220;like putting lipstick on a pig&#8230;&#8221;  She&#8217;s still a pig.</p>
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		<title>By: PBoilermaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>PBoilermaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still find it beyond unacceptable that our personnel -in harm&#039;s way- needed to wait for this.

The fact that there was even an argument that left our personnel high and dry while in combat enrages me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still find it beyond unacceptable that our personnel -in harm&#8217;s way- needed to wait for this.</p>
<p>The fact that there was even an argument that left our personnel high and dry while in combat enrages me.</p>
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		<title>By: Boomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still extremely steamed about the way this was rammed through both houses gutting any illegal invader controls.  I guess we will have to settle that one ourselves, because the bastards we sent to DC to fix this just gave us the finger.  I have a feeling this will cost many of the so called “Blue Dog” Democrats their cushy new jobs.  People on both sides of the aisle will not be pleased and would love to see every incumbent thrown out of office on their lying crapweasel butts.

The only victory I see is the Democrats look like idiots for trying to surrender to the enemy in a war we are currently winning.  I am very pleased our troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan will be funded.  I agree with other posters no more Vietnams!  Thank God the Goracle invented the internet so we have people like Michelle able to spread the news of what our Government is trying to sneak by us.

I also can’t wait to see the outrage come April when Congresses failure to act on the AMT will bite 23 million of us in the butt.  Hearsay has it that the average tax increase will be $2,000.  Talk about being stuck on stupid going into a major election year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still extremely steamed about the way this was rammed through both houses gutting any illegal invader controls.  I guess we will have to settle that one ourselves, because the bastards we sent to DC to fix this just gave us the finger.  I have a feeling this will cost many of the so called “Blue Dog” Democrats their cushy new jobs.  People on both sides of the aisle will not be pleased and would love to see every incumbent thrown out of office on their lying crapweasel butts.</p>
<p>The only victory I see is the Democrats look like idiots for trying to surrender to the enemy in a war we are currently winning.  I am very pleased our troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan will be funded.  I agree with other posters no more Vietnams!  Thank God the Goracle invented the internet so we have people like Michelle able to spread the news of what our Government is trying to sneak by us.</p>
<p>I also can’t wait to see the outrage come April when Congresses failure to act on the AMT will bite 23 million of us in the butt.  Hearsay has it that the average tax increase will be $2,000.  Talk about being stuck on stupid going into a major election year.</p>
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		<title>By: MrVIBEMAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrVIBEMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVED the cartoon, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVED the cartoon, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Not Voting - 5&lt;/strong&gt;
Biden (D-DE)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Obama (D-IL)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If they don&#039;t exercise their obligation to vote on matters for the constituency, why should the constituency vote for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Not Voting &#8211; 5</strong><br />
Biden (D-DE)<br />
Clinton (D-NY)<br />
Dodd (D-CT)<br />
Feinstein (D-CA)<br />
Obama (D-IL)</p></blockquote>
<p>If they don&#8217;t exercise their obligation to vote on matters for the constituency, why should the constituency vote for them?</p>
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		<title>By: MrVIBEMAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrVIBEMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know how many of these &#039;worst approval rating of any congress in History&#039; Dems are up for re-election in &#039;08? or their states?

Now would be the time to get that information out there so we know who NOT to vote for.
(as if we don&#039;t already, but there may be some noobs out there who could use the info.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know how many of these &#8216;worst approval rating of any congress in History&#8217; Dems are up for re-election in &#8217;08? or their states?</p>
<p>Now would be the time to get that information out there so we know who NOT to vote for.<br />
(as if we don&#8217;t already, but there may be some noobs out there who could use the info.)</p>
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		<title>By: 30 pcs of silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>30 pcs of silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On December 19th, 2007 at 5:18 am, meatpieandtatters said: 
A hollow victory: our troops are funded but the feckless leadership still has their hands tied.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On December 19th, 2007 at 5:18 am, meatpieandtatters said:<br />
A hollow victory: our troops are funded but the feckless leadership still has their hands tied.</p></blockquote>
<p>What he said.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnnyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Feingold Amdt. No. 3875; “To provide for the safe redeployment of United States troops from Iraq.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I caught this vote while helping my mother-in-law. Pure crap. My first thought was why do they bother wasting time on these &quot;amendments&quot; when there is so many other things to do. Way to go you stupid Wisconson voters (present company excluded of course). Keep putting that waste of a senator back in there just so you can feel like he&#039;s &quot;doing something&quot; Nuts!!!

I also watched as my Junior senator Mr. Cardin voted Yea. Way to cover your nutroot butt, you coward! 

As for the Levin amendment, when I heard him say that it was a non-binding &quot;sense of the Congress&quot; vote, I knew that this would be a cover vote for all the nutroot senators who voted against the previous Feingold amendment.

Can they find anything else to waste their (and our) time on??

I get so sick watching C-Span. This is supposed to be the the best this country can come up with? 

Where&#039;s my waste basket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Feingold Amdt. No. 3875; “To provide for the safe redeployment of United States troops from Iraq.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I caught this vote while helping my mother-in-law. Pure crap. My first thought was why do they bother wasting time on these &#8220;amendments&#8221; when there is so many other things to do. Way to go you stupid Wisconson voters (present company excluded of course). Keep putting that waste of a senator back in there just so you can feel like he&#8217;s &#8220;doing something&#8221; Nuts!!!</p>
<p>I also watched as my Junior senator Mr. Cardin voted Yea. Way to cover your nutroot butt, you coward! </p>
<p>As for the Levin amendment, when I heard him say that it was a non-binding &#8220;sense of the Congress&#8221; vote, I knew that this would be a cover vote for all the nutroot senators who voted against the previous Feingold amendment.</p>
<p>Can they find anything else to waste their (and our) time on??</p>
<p>I get so sick watching C-Span. This is supposed to be the the best this country can come up with? </p>
<p>Where&#8217;s my waste basket?</p>
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		<title>By: meatpieandtatters</title>
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		<dc:creator>meatpieandtatters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hollow victory: our troops are funded but the feckless leadership still has their hands tied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hollow victory: our troops are funded but the feckless leadership still has their hands tied.</p>
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