Shocker! Enforcing immigration laws results in illegal aliens leaving
Attrition through enforcement at work:
It’s a common scene this time of year: streams of overloaded cars, pickups and vans with U.S. license plates crossing into Mexico for the holidays.
Most are filled with Hispanic families from Arizona and other states on their way to visit relatives south of the border for a few weeks before heading back to the U.S. But this year, the holiday travelers are being joined by scores of families such as Jorge and Liliana Franco, who are driving to Mexico not to visit but to stay - permanently. Congress’ failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform, immigration crackdowns, Arizona’s new employer-sanctions law and a sluggish economy have combined to create a climate families such as the Francos no longer find hospitable.The number returning to Mexico is difficult to calculate, but there is no question that many families are leaving, according to Mexican government officials, local community leaders and immigrants themselves.
The open-borders propaganda line that “you can’t deport them all” has always been a red herring. If you enforce the law, many will leave on their own. It happened with Pakistani illegal aliens after 9/11. It’s happening now in Arizona.
No need for a “pathway to citizenship.” Turn off the magnets and incentives and sanctuary protections, and law-breakers will pave their own pathways…back home.
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Not only turn off the magnets and incentives but let’s get the Mexican government to do their job on border security.
Imagine that! Enforcing laws works!
*I am pro-immigration…
I am vehemently anti-illegal immigration.
Build the fence…enforce the law.
There is totally a solution. The politicians and activists make up stories about how we can’t solve the problem any other way than just giving them citizenship. They also say that our economy can’t survive without them.
I don’t believe any of it for a second. Once we secure our borders, we can start a guest worker program where workers can come here to find jobs legally without trying to horn in on citizenship (like they do in Canada). But no ‘new’ program will work until the border is secure. . . and that starts with the fence that Congress voted in but won’t fund.
Let’s see here; take away their reason for coming, and they stop coming!
Who’d a thunk it?
ICE has an entire division of agents called “Detention & Removal Operations”. That’s what they do. If they are allowed to do their jobs, you’d be amazed at what else will happen on it’s own. Sure, the line “You can’t deport them all” may be true, but if you start deporting some, the positive snowball effect would be tremendous.
i’ve always said: “Turn off the Magnet and close the border, they will go home on their own.”
Hey see, it can happen, they imported themselves here they can export themselves back to Mexico. Very well, too, I might add.
Well, there goes the Democratic voter base. If they ever figure out what’s happening, they’ll do their best to stop the enforcement.
Oh - wait. My bad. That’s what they’re already doing, isn’t it?
People surprised by this phenomenon are either disengenuous or liberal.
Is that redundant?
bullseye!
See ya.
Well known phenomenon. During Operation Wetback, as many as ten illegals may have returned home for each one apprehended. There are myriad ways of getting shed of illegal aliens; the problem is corrupt officials in Washington like Bush, McCain, Kennedy, Durbin, et. al.
Michelle … thanks for following up on our employer law here in Arizona … it goes into effect on January 1, 2008.
This law has very stiff penalties for violators … not just fines … but actually suspending business licenses to those employers found guilty more than once … and there is no “grandfathering” of illegals already on the payrolls … that is no excuse.
The law they passed in Oklahoma is having a similar effect there as the illegals there are leaving that state as well …
Now … if all the other states would just follow the Arizona-Oklahoma lead on this we could start to see some real reduction in the number of illegals still in this country … estimates are already in the thousands for the number of illegals leaving those 2 states.
No jobs, no housing, employer sanctions that are enforced = illegals leaving … sounds like a safe, sane and humane policy.
If we enforced the laws we have we wouldn’t need all these pin-strip suited swine occupying our nation’s capital would we?
I’m sure this will be page one news in 3, 2, 1………crickets chirping. I guess the left loses another argument enforcement doesn’t mean rounding people up and deporting them most will leave when the jobs and benefits (they don’t deserve) are not there. The states are stepping up to fix what the Federal Government refuses to do and it is working. Those that don’t deport themselves when the goodies go away we can take care of by letting ICE do its job (without Congressional interference).
Woot!
As if. Here in Mexico del Norte, we will never see that day. Ahnuld won’t stand for it, nor will all the state Dhimmis. If they don’t go back to Mexico, they’ll probably wind up here.
Buh-bye and don’t come back jack or juan, julio, jose, unless you have proper paperwork, in which case - welcome.
The Dems miscalculated the resolve of the American people. They thought that their blackout in the media regarding the illegal immigrants rallies, criminality, etc., was going to be enough to convince us that all they ever wanted was come here and work.
Well, nice try but I don’t swallow lies as easily as you may have thought (you know with me being a Christian and all). I take a well reasoned approach to everything important to me. Illegal immigration is important. And if they cared one iota about this country they wouldn’t do the shameful things that they do in order to further their self-absorbed political goals. And since I was chastised the last time I didn’t add Republicans to my last slapdown, here it goes - You too should be ashamed and calling yourself a Republican and conforming to the wims, wishes and desires of anyone with a (D) following their name. Shame on you for having a hand in selling your country down the river. A spring cleaning is in order. The GOP once stood for values, what happened and where did we go wrong? A wise man once said - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. I would only like to add the power too threatens to turn otherwise wholesome people into liars and deceivers.
If this article tells you anything at all, it should remind you that when our laws are enforced, people breaking that law have two choices: 1) continue breaking the law and face the consequences or 2) head for the border. They chose wisely. Secure the damn border, build the fence and allow us to focus our energies on more pressing matters. This really should be a no-brainer. Oh and do your damn job. Act like you know what your position stands for. Idiots
/Rant
If only we could get the several million illegals that are here in CA sponging off the taxpayers to leave, then I’ll be happy.
Good riddance!
30 pcs of silver nice rant!
na na na na….na na na na….hey hey goodbye
1) Put the CEO, or president, or owner, of whatever company, in jail if any illegal aliens are found working at their business. Do that once, and those bigwigs will get the message. Once the jobs go way, so will the illegals.
2) The illegal aliens ARE doing the job most Americans won’t do; voting for Hillary.
This is one contagious disease I love the sound of! Monkey see…monkey do and other states will take notice.
In the mean time, BUILD THE STUPID FENCE!
Exactly. Reward something and you get more of it. Stop making it worth the illegals while to come here and the problem will be reduce itself to a much more manageable size.
That’s comon sense. Unfortunately, common sense is not nearly as common as it ought to be.
Aj, I’m hearing reports Mexico is building a fence to keep them from coming back.
I lived in New York City in the days when walking near Central Park at night was tantamount to a suicide attempt. People said nothing could be done about it, the law cannot be enforced.
As soon as someone actually enforced the law it was revealed what a crock that was.
I’ve always suspected this is the same thing. When someone says we can’t do something without even trying I tend to think it’s a cop out.
Awe the Franco’s feel America is no longer hospitiable. Bye Bye!
Good the point is getting across to them now be very afraid unless you’re documented!
Let’s just hope the Arizona law will not be struck down.
My wife is a teacher here in AZ. She fears that she will lose a number of her students at the begining of the year because they will go home to Mexico.
With the school systems strapped for money to educate people here legally, I hope her fears come to pass.
Thanks Boomer!
This along with the funding the troops thing gets my blood boiling. Two obviously important issues are treated as if they’ll just stop being issues as long as they are ignored. And the attention that is paid to it is so destructive and demoralizing you just wish they’d turn in their resignation letters, ID badges and quit.
I always believed enforcement would work and now we have the MSM reporting that indeed it does.
I would argue the MSM is attempting to make you feel bad and I would tell them they are failing in that regard…but they are used to failure so it’s ok.
Hunter, Tancredo and Fred need your support. This can be fixed permanently. (Hunter has plenty of support from Hispanics who are here legally.)
I got so tired (and outraged) at President Bush’s repeated “You can’t deport 12 million, so we have to give them citizenship” argument.
On the GOP debate on PBS the question was the same - no option of attrition, and no candidate pointed that out, as I remember!
DLTDHYOTWO
So simple.
And keep ‘em out until after November, ‘08!
DLTDHYITAOTWO!
Does Nawleans still have those buses sitting around? Just trying to help.
I agree, I’ve said it before I’ll say it again no job’s no illegal’s, no shelter no illegals.
Rumour has it that the DNC is looking into sending absentee ballots to Jaurez…
Radical concept…enforce the laws. Illegals leave. Go figure. The system does work when implemented. Just think what would happen if there were no sanctuary cities and Congress actually did what its citizens want….legal immigration.
Actually, the custom is to go home to Mexico for over a month. Most school districts with a large Hispanic population have given up and lengthened the break and tacked on the days at the end of the school year because they kids do not attend during their vacation back home.
Another instance of a clash in values that is never going to be resolved unless immigrants assimilate to us and not the reverse.
I’ll bet that we won’t see this news in the MSM. This is the best news that I’ve heard in a long time.
Conservatives need to vote Thompson/Hunter to keep the effort going in the right direction.
There’s goes the Dems voting base! Buh-bye!
The USA is the villain in the article. We are heartless for making these illegals return home and face the scrutiny of the Mexican border guards. And isn’t it interesting that the Mexican government prefers Mexican passports and not the Consular ID they try to foist on Americans.
Also a big part is Mexico has seemed to want to only stick for the most part with their oil production.
If they invested in their own manufacturing base that would provide job opportunities for their people the whole reason for a lot of the migration would be effected.
I read the other day that last year, roughly 90,000 Americans left California for greener pastures. The only thing that kept CA’s population from shrinking was new births and illegal immigration. Just a hair over 90,000 of those.
Dang. No wonder the ‘vote often-vote illegal’ democrats are pissy.
Oh.
Wait. They’re always pissy.
Nevermind.
James Felix said: #25, I’ve posted before that I challenge any politician to take the term Illegal Alien and switch it with Al Qaeda and then tell the American people “We can’t deport all the Al Qaeda as there are too many” and see if they dare do so.
Is it a stretch to compare Al Qaeda to Illegals? I think not. Well wait a second: Al Qaeda wants to destroy our economy. Illegals are destroying our economy. I stand corrected.
I’m not overly excited by this news.
This tells me the Mexicans who came here illegally to find work are heading home. This doesn’t say anything about the ones that come here to run drugs, commit crimes or sit on welfare
I think a huge part of it as well as some of the cities and states cracking down. Is that our housing bomb has many without work.
Could you imagine if 20 million American Citizens decided to NOT PAY THEIR INCOME TAXES??! I’m sure the response would be “well, you can’t prosecute them all.”
I really don’t understand why they come here anyway.
I work for a company that makes manufacturing equipment. Most American companies buy equipment here at home and have that equipment shipped to Mexico for production.
The biggest problem these companies have down there is turnover. They are always hiring. They will work for two or three months and quit. Two or three months of work is all it takes for them to live for the year.
Too good to be true. Some small percentage may be throwing in the towel but it is small compared to those that are still coming. Worse yet, stories like this will be picked by the open-borders crowd and used as evidence that no border fence is needed.
I see the Lakota Sioux have decided to withdraw from treaties and form their own country. I wonder how long it will take before we have “illegal immigrants” from there, once they find out they have no resources to rely on, for food,etc.. Don’t think the passports they’re issuing will be accepted by the U.S..
I still find it hopeful.
The Arizona law in particular is important, since so many illegals pass through here on their way to other states and are aided by illegals already in residence here.
Of course, this will increase traffic in to the other border states. Perhaps they’ll get a clue (except for CA, naturally).
If illegal Mexicans move home perhaps some Arizonans can too.
@Speakup….
Heck no. I’m not going back to Louisiana for anything.
This has always been the missing piece in the immigration puzzle for me. I wish it was mentioned more. Both the U.S. and Canada should be doing everything possible to get Mexico to North American levels through trade and business investment. Not only would it stop the flow of Mexican illegal immigration, but if their economy was pumping, all the other Latin American illegal immigrants would stop in Mexico where they speak the same language.
There is one huge problem in enforcing the immigration laws. That is the quality of the immigration judges. Most are political hacks who could not cut it in the real world. ALL of them are liberals. These immigration judges grant “political asylum” in just about every case. Any illegal immigrant/alien who is smart enough to know that he or she can appeal from deportation orders has no fear of being deported. You simply make a claim for political asylum. Even in the rear chance that political asylum is not granted, if you are on the west coast, you simply appeal to the radical, loony US Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit. This Court, packed with liberals appointed by Jimmy Carter, has always reversed the rear decisions of immigration judges to deny asylum claims. The 9th circuit has even done this with Palestinian terrorists in the US. It does not matter that the standards for granting asylum have been made harder. Liberal immigration judges and federal judges have unfettered discretion to do what they want. So there is no chance of actually getting many illegals out ot the US, even if you hired thousands of agents to find them.
In the Houston area most of them do lawn care,one of them told me Mexico used to own Texas and now they just mow it.Not much future doing $20 lawns.When they get too old it will be more on the taxpayers back.
If no one else has said it, I will…via con dios!
And Sheriff Joe keeps on giving this Christmas season:
Note that the Phoenix PD arrested nobody - Sheriff Joe had to do the job!!
I believe this is the first time illegals have been arrested during a pre-planned “raid” at a scheduled march of illegal alien supporters. As Martha would say, “this is a good trend.”
Sheriff Joe planned this action ahead of time:
I only wish we could clone this guy. I predict there will be fewer protesters in the streets of Phoenix, now that they know the LAW WILL BE ENFORCED!
Attrition by enforcement works. Period.
Why do you put nickles in the meter? It takes just an occasional meter maid to make 99% of drivers obey the law.
Adios!
Guess this is too difficult for Congress to figure out…
It is up to the states to get this done.
My favorite quote from the article above:
Shocking. So sad that it took this long for illegal aliens in our country to realize that some people obey the law.
Buh-bye.
Desert Lover
Desert Lover
Would that other states follow Az. Tx two senators lied and sold out our state and gutted the fence. Now one of them Kay B apparently has the juice to follow Bush and Perry and their lies and run for Gov. Probably on a law and order platform (sarc)
Lindsay#62@3:11PM - you brought up a very good point. Complacent in all of this is that our own Social Security Adm. and IRS will not share information when 20 people are using the same SS number. The criminals that employ them (Tyson and thousands of others)must have rigged their own systems to accept more than one employee using the same SS numbers. In the middle of this train wreck are the poor devils that have had their identities compromised and years of work to straighten it out.
Another question…if illegals go south for a month at Christmas using vehicles registered in the U.S. - how do they recross the border back into the U.S. without proper documentation as a valid citizen (passports are required now for reentry)? Or, do they leave the cars in Mexico and try to make it back to their homes, jobs, and schools via the coyoties. We need some border patrol agents to share with us how thats done. Especially, with kids.
Can somebody explain to me how McCant’s poll numbers are going up when his voters are going back to Mexico?
Send them back to where they came from & charge their homeland for the ride. signed: a Legal immigrant.
If you really love this country,
come here legally.
If you don’t..LEAVE!!because we have enough real problems w/out you.
Or how about this!!!,make it so that we can crash Your Country & receive a free ride off of your citizens. O, & BTW, isn’t your very own government deporting w/great vigor your own immigrants from farther south of Your own border????? hmmmmmmmmmmmm……can you spell hypocrite?
I wish them a safe trip home. I really do, and I would like to help them.
I just do not like being told to learn Spanish, paying for their health care, or making their illegal alien children Americans.
I would support work projects along the border. For example: Roads, water treatment plants, and rail roads. Even a million Spanish person UN military to enforce the laws of no illegal aliens.
Sorry, I am thinking like a Nationalist. Our government has sold themselves out to the Globalists for money, and power.
Another one to add to the list of false doctrines from the Church of Liberalism:
-You can’t deport 20 million undocumented workers, so you have to give them amnesty- Not!
-America can’t win in Iraq, so quit now and bring the troops home- Not!
-The surge has failed- Not!
-The Main-Stream Media is balanced- Not!
-Higher taxes bring in more revenue- Not!
-Celebrities are experts in every field and are not to be questioned– Not!
-The government does everything better than the private sector– Not!
-Liberal philosophies are for the elites to preach and the commoners to practice– Not!
-Everything imaginable is considered “free speech” except religious speech and right-wing (hate) speech– Not!
The list goes on and on…
Californians will demand a change in policy re: taxpayer-funded services for illegals when their state budget collapses under the weight of all these entitlements. Didn’t I hear a news report in the last day or so that Ahnuld just signed into law an expansion of welfare health coverage when the state “can’t” even properly cover their state employees’ health coverage? Contributing American citizen Californians will get fed up and leave the state, further compounding the problem. They can’s sustain this forever, and the average person is going to get completely fed up and “revolt” in some fashion…
“You can’t deport them all.”
We put a man on the moon in 1969 using computer technology far inferior than a 486 running on DOS (that’s literally true, that isn’t a joke).
I say we give it a try using old-fashioned American ingenuity before claiming failure. It’s amazing what America can do - when it decides to.
Sure We Can Deport Millions Who Don’t Belong Here — IF We REALLY Cared About Our Culture
The United States once “imported” over 20 million Africans on rickety wooden boats over an entire ocean. Don’t say we can’t bus illegals a few hundred miles over highway to a border. We need pols with the brass sacs to stand up on their hind legs and make it so or else we’ll end up the same pathetic situation as England; Mohammed the 2nd most pop boys name in Britian now?? Man, that wasn’t even a bad fantasy twenty years ago! It’s LONG due to take the D Word out of the closet and DO the deportation thing before our diluted American culture is ass-high in hispanic alligators But unfortunately, I don’t think all that many Americans think ir’s a peril.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
Thousands of illegals “going home” for Christmas?
LOCK THE DOOR BEHIND THEM!!!
While the elite in Mexico City will continue to blame this problem on the U. S., the more Mexicans return home, the more likely the Federal District will be forced to take appropriate action with their outdated, protectionist commercial legislation and immigration policy.
The responsibility of illegal immigration lays squarely at corrupt Bush’s feet. I knwo people will point at Regan dor the first amnesty but Dush slily took maximum advantage of illegal immigration by shoving down ‘guest worker program’ nonsense down tax-paying and law-abiding American . In the bargain driving tax-paying, law-abiding American of their jobs, while dishing out welfare from the taxes collected from those who are just kicked out of their jobs. Thank you, Bush.
Then again, Bush has no problems holding hands and kissing rich, wahhabbi killers of 3000 Americans.