He told me that he was really, really mad about people speaking for him, and that the last thing he wanted was for people to change the way they were living in order to satisfy foolishness and some people’s big lie and blackmai;l He said this who ridiculousness about lightbulbs saving the North Pole was a joke and if people were stupid enough to buy into that crap, he had some marshland in the middle of the Sahara he wanted to sell them as well, and they could use it to build their new world on it with Algore as their Emperor.

He wanted me to spread the word that the planet was just fine, that the North Pole goes through phases just like every other par of the planet and for people not to listen to these new aged “snake oil” salesmen.

He said that keeping the air, water and ground clean is always a good idea, as after all, we do have to live, breathe and drink here, but to do so for our health. The planet has been here for billions of years and has lived through and survived dinosaurs, mammoths and things we haven’t even discovered yet, and will be around for billions of years more after it shakes us off like a bad habit. Don’t worry about saving the planet, worry about saving the humans. Stop being so damn egotistical.

He also said that if these people sat around discussing what Santa was saying about Global Warming, and people were litening to it, then no wonder they believed in Global Warming.

We discussed a few more things, how my kids were doing, how I was doing and my wife, had a shot of Crown Royal, he put his finger against his nose, gave it a nod, ad up the chimney he rose.

He was a great guy, really wise. Too bad he couldn’t have stayed longer. Seriously, you should have seen how pissed he got when I mentioned all these people pretending to speak for him. I thought he was going to blow a gasket.

On December 26th, 2007 at 8:33 am, meatpieandtatters said:

We can’t sustain our current rate of fossil fuel use.

Well-said. Not believing that man can heat or otherwise affect the planet significantly has become a secondary religion for many, it seems, empirical evidence notwithstanding. When we face the effects of our planet misuse, then they can say they are God’s will. They will lose, but they can’t lose.

What year would you suggest as our ideal climate year?

Whatever the answer, I’m quite sure a little research will produce a long list of floods, hurricanes, snowstorms, droughts, record highs, lows, etc.. that occured in that particular year. Still, I’d be interesed to know just what year we should be shooting for.

Me? I’m going to stockpile incandescent bulbs.

BTW, does anyone know how much sea levels have risen in the past ten years? Pelosi visited Greenland and verified that ice melts in the summer. MSNBC had an article last week showing how much Arctic ice melted this year. They said the melt set a new record. The prophet Al Gore gave us ten years until doomsday when he first started showing his slide show after he lost to Bush. So shouldn’t Manhattan be under water by now?

BTW, The math results are far different from what you imply (hint: see north shore, Utah, Nevada and Canada for some interesting answers).

Global Warming my a**.

Yeah, me too. I live in the mountains of CA, and it’s a HIGH of 17 degrees today. In the past 10 years I’ve lived here, I can’t remember a colder December.

Last January, I was driving home from a visit with a friend around 9:00 p.m. I watched the external temp readout in my car at 2 degrees.

Wish some of this so-called global “warming” would come my way.

Let’s just see how much those “melting” polar caps melt this year.

This is such a scam.

I asked my Mom if Al Gore or Nancy Pelosi were in town

Global Warming my a**.

The good thing is that I’m on vacation as are the kids (teenagers) so we’re enjoying playing in the snow.

I saved the “forecast” article to frame with my picture of the snow. Along with the Bali conference article that was next to the picture of the ice and snow in the Midwest.

Geddoudaheah! Any Ward Churchill can make stuff like that up — and they do! because it makes them look good, and sets US up as oppressors. “Black Elk Speaks” is a perfect example of the idealization of Sioux culture — black elk doesn’t say how his own tribe contributed hugely to the near-extinction of the buffalo, once they got guns and horses from the Europeans.
Nor does he mention how the Sioux and others made vicious and genocidal war against each other, something that “Dances with Wolves” slid over as well: those Noble Lakota standing as symbols for all Indians, yet there were those pesky Pawnee pumping arrows into whites and Indians alike. Why were such peaceful folk as the Lakota called the Sioux…by their enemies? Were they warring over which tribe were the “True Caretakers”?

And who were the caretakers amongst the slave-owning death-worshiping Mayans shown in “Apocalypto”?

As for the Indians being such careful stewards of the Earth—-what a crock! Slash-and-burn agriculture, huge prairie fires set to drive thousands of buffalo over cliffs in order to gain the meat and hides of a few, and on and on.

Here’s just one example:

http://www.state.sc.us/forest/6wait.htm

“It was through agriculture that the Indians made their greatest impact on the natural environment. They cleared land by slash and burn techniques, deadening trees by chopping away the bark, then setting the area on fire. These fires doubtless burned large acreages of forest since the Indians had no way (or desire) to extinguish them once their original purpose was served. In these clearings, the Indians planted their crops of corn, squash, and gourds. When fields lost their natural fertility, the Indians simply abandoned them and applied the slash and burn process to another area. Abandoned fields and the clearings created by these wildfires eventually reverted to forest, creating extensive stands of pine.”

Will eco-weenies let anyone set large but **controlled** forest or brush fires these days? Ask the SoCal folks burned out of their homes about that, will you?

Do modern deerhunters start forest fires to drive their quarry into traps to be slaughtered by the hundreds?

Methinks you have a very idealistic view of what the past was like. Hint: there WAS no Golden Age. I suggest you read “Plagues of the Mind”, by Bruce Thornton, to learn how romanticized nonsense about the past has helped drive the politically-correct idealization of our ancestors as “caretakers” of the Earth.

So coldfront: what’s the provenance of this “Ancient” proverb????

I found this @ http://www.ourtribalnation.com/
this morning.
My friend, all the ‘snark’ in the world does not change the Life & Beliefs of a Peoples who lived as Caretakers of This Good Earth, the American Indians.

“At bottom this is another example of mindless eco-weenie claptrap that collapses under examination”

No, friend. This is American Indian teaching. That the hippies latched on to everything American Indian does not change the profound relation the Indians had w/this gorgeous planet. May I suggest ‘Black Elk Speaks’ http://www.cheapestbookprice.com/reviews/0803283857.html

To answer your question- If we were to live as though the next generation depends on how we live,… how much we use, destroy, replace, annihilate…because, in fact, IT DOES!!, we might live more honorably & in Peace w/’Mother Earth’.

I am not a ‘mindless eco-weenie’ but I fully understand that attitudes such as yours are also part of the problem. This planet is beautiful. How one thinks about it is how one will treat it.

Council member Jack Johnson told the paper the hearth should be an educational display, with a sign explanation how it is wasting fuel and why.

Jack should also consider putting a sign on the airport runway questioning the use of private jets and wasted jet fuel and the so-called carbon footprint, creating pollution that causes greenhouse gases. I bet ONE private jet flight would probably fuel that flame for an entire decade.

…Dude, you’re almost 60. Lose the stupid pony tail already. It hasn’t hidden your bald spot for 30 years. We get it, you’re a hippy, and for some reason still proud of it, fine. Why don’t you stick it to the man, and put the Starbucks down. Oh yeah, walking really sucks at that Vail altitude huh? Good thing the Escalade has idled long enough to be nice and toasty inside.

I still gotta laugh at them, as I have for nearly 50 years now. So sure in their convictions, they are hell bent to destroy society in order to save us all.