Would you, could you, vote McCain?
Here’s some straight talk about John McCain from New Hampshire voters, via the Boston Globe. The voters’ main concerns: He’s a Ted Kennedy shamnesty supporter and he’s too old:
The Manchester Union Leader attacks Romney as a Johnny-come-lately on behalf of McCain–himself a Johnny-come-lately (and not a very sincere one) on immigration enforcement.
Uuuuggghh.
Allah is depressingly right about this:
I’m not looking forward to nine months of “well, he beats the alternative” posts next year, but then we’re pretty much guaranteed that no matter who wins the nomination.
Thomas Sowell also speaks for me:
None of the candidates looks truly inspiring at this point. I wouldn’t buy a used car from most of them, nor a brand new car from some of them…
… John McCain seems to be having a little resurgence but it is hard to believe that Republicans are so desperate as to support a man who joined with far left Democrat Russ Feingold to restrict free speech in the name of “campaign finance reform” and with Ted Kennedy to sponsor a bill giving amnesty to illegal immigrants.
…This nation has come back from unpromising times before. Let’s hope that we have not already used up all our luck.
Today’s MM.com poll question:
Would you, could you, vote McCain?
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ANYBODY but Clinton.
That in turn gave us groups like MoveOn.org and others…who quickly and efficiently skirted the law. As expected.
But…momma loves him
McCain-Feingold, shamnesty for illegal immigrants, gang of 14, questionable mental stability, and on and on and on. I pray either Fred or Mitt get the nomination so I won’t have to vote for McCain.
McCain has no respect for the Constitution and will try to legislate around it. He will also screw us on the borders if given a chance. And his association with the Keating 5 does not inspire confidence. Then there are the vicious temper tantrums.
Let’s hope that stonger heads prevail. After his collaboratin with Kennedy, I’m not sure why he’s even allowed on the Republican ticket.
If he was running on the Dem side, he’d be a viable moderate alternative.
He’s still preferable to HRC. I would hold my nose and remember my Mother
saying that sometimes you have to vote for the lesser of two evils (not to say
McCain is evil but you get the drift).
I wonder just how McCain differs from Bush in reality? Other than being older, a favorite of the media and wanting rights for terrorists? You know what his real feelings are on illegal immigration. You see what his crappy McCain-Feingold campaign law has wrought. Yes, he is good on spending.
He’s superior to the dem choices, but no
great alternative to me. If he were actually elected, I’d hope his Veep would not be a disaster (god, please no Huckabee or Paul).
People make a big deal about abortion, but what has Bush done to overturn Roe v. Wade?
ABH
Anyone but Hillary
Go Fred!!!!!!!!
If you look at the poll - if McCain is the nominee, the election is lost.
Many on the conservative side don’t really see the difference in a McCain and the Dems. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck but calls itself a parrot, what is it?
Also McCain stands with the Euroweenies on global warming and rights for terrorists. I know he’s a genuine war hero, but what does that mean? Older man Bob Dole was a war hero and Clinton a draft dodger. You saw how well that went. Do we have to have a choce between a Rino and a Socialist?
If McCain is the Republican nominee, I’ll likely stay home than vote for this clown. He doesn’t stand for anything, just like a democrat.
I have never met Senator McCain, but I have met a handful of other Hanoi Hilton POWs, and the North Vietnamese managed to knock at least one screw loose in all of them. Not to downplay their service, and not to say that he is a Manchurian Candidate, but I’m not so sure I would like his finger on the button.
Bad idea. Your vote could, at the very least, offset a Democrat.
If Hillary is the Dem candidate and McCain is the Rebuplican, yeah right, I’d go with McCain. But if the Dem isn’t Hillary I’d have to reconsider.
McCain isn’t good for this country.
Tough poll, re: deciding between ‘never’ and ‘hold my nose’. I never really could vote for McVain (whom I do not believe is anywhere near as principled as some of his defenders say), but the prospect of Hillary might get me to pull the lever for him in a vote against Hillary.
It’s really depressing how bad this field of candidates is on both sides.
For the Republicans, I sometimes think we might be in a situation similar to 1976, where it might actually be better for our long-term prospects if we lost in ‘08. Being completely out of power might have the effect of getting the various party factions to put aside their differences, and I can see us retaking congress in a big way in 2010 after 2 years of liberalism run amok, and retaking the WH in 2012 if we get a candidate with some real depth that could beat one of the lightweights that the Dems are sure to nominate.
Can you imagine what will happen if Thompson drops out and endorses McCain? Heads exploding across the blogosphere!
and I can see us retaking congress in a big way in 2010 after
24 years of liberalism run amokfixed that for you
At 72 McCain is to old to be president.
So, wait - if enough of us agree to be waterboarded, can we get a guarantee that he won’t be the nominee?
I’ll take that waterboarding and raise you 8 hours in a cold room in a stress position, if it meant I could be guaranteed 4 or 8 years of a McCain-free White House. It’d be well worth it.
#13:
“On December 26th, 2007 at 1:30 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
I’ll likely stay home
Bad idea. Your vote could, at the very least, offset a Democrat.”
I agree with you emphatically, #13: terrible idea.
Staying home would be virtually equivalent to voting Democrat.
What good would be accomplished by (figuratively) cutting off one’s nose, in order to say to one’s bloody face (RINOs), “There, what do you think of that?!”
And, meanwhile, the dangerous socialist (a.k.a. Democrat) clowns would be that much closer to having free reign in their quest to remake and devastate our country, culture, and society.
We should certainly hope he doesn’t get the nomination and I would be shocked if he did. However…it cannot be denied that ANYTHING IS BETTER THAT ANYBODY FROM THE OTHER SIDE….except Ron Paul who is just as loonie. Getting 25% of what you want is better than getting ZERO when they are the only cloices.
None of us wants to think that way but the devistation to this country with Hitlary or Obama would take a generation to correct…if the world survived that long. Seriously, I want nothing to do with McCain. But sitting out an election on principle or voting for a better person who cannot win and ending up with Clinton accomplishes nothing except insuring the further conversion to socialism and likely elimination of this country’s military superiority that provides our national security. In other words…kiss this country goodbye!
I would not, could not, vote McCain
I would not, could not, in the rain.
I would rather die from shot to head
He’ll not get my vote, Michelle I said.
I would sit it out. I just don’t see enough difference between the republican or democrat candidates. The repubs are just demo-lite. They still believe that the government solution is the best solution, the repubs just do it a little slower.
I don’t believe that any of them have the stones to say “NO, YOU SHOULD PAY FOR THAT YOURSELF.” to any group that comes begging for help, paid for with our tax dollars.
That is one ugly Hobson’s choice. You left out one choice; “do to the Republicans what they did to the Whigs in 1856″.
I’d rather be waterboarded.
I couldn’t bring myself to vote Democrat and if McCain gets the Republican nomination I certainly won’t be voting for him either. Where’s the poll option to vote for a third party or is that the equivalent of being waterboarded?
I think there’s a fair case to be made for staying home or even voting for a Democrat, if the Republican candidate is too liberal. Rush makes a good case about redefining conservativism which I thing should be heeded, and to paraphrase what Ace wrote, if we’re going to essentially have a Democrat in the White House, then the Democrats should have to take the blame for what will inevitably result.
That said, could I pull the lever for Hillary, or force myself to miss an election for the first time in my adult life? I don’t know.
No Ron Paul answer in your quiz?!? You’re stifling his support! Fascism awaits!
/sarc
Would one of you please explain what the difference is in gettting a democrat who has an R after their name vs one who has a D after their name.
I’m not yet convinced that if we get a RINO, many will know who/what the enemy is. The enemy is liberalism - and if we get a RINO, they will seek to implement liberalism.
Almost a year ago, I answered that question:
I stand by my earliest 1999 verbal comments to a friend, that I believe McCain is the most dangerous politician in all of Washington. Still.
Will Michelle be officially endorsing a candidate at some point?
Here are some endorsements from some of the more popular conservative blogs.
McCain is RINO. He has more in common with Teddy than what I believe. Although I respect the man and appreciate his service to our country, IMO, voting for him would be like voting for Teddy, something I could never stomach.
No matter how nauseating I find McCain I find the prospect of a second Clinton Administration much more so.
It could also be argued that he could do less damage as President than he does as a Senator. As long as Congress sends him nothing offensive to sign then his views on various legislative matters don’t matter all that much.
Sadly I think this election is going to boil down to “whom do you think will do the least damage to the nation?”. Given the field of choices I think any of the Republicans are less dangerous than any of the Democrats.
As a nation we might want to ask why the job of “Most Powerful Person in the World” attracts such a dismal pool of applicants. I had a more talented bunch show up the last time I advertised for an administrative assistant.
I am so tired of voting Republican because it is the lesser of two evils. When is the party going to become “the greater good” instead?
Amen to that JoAnn.
I am furious with McCain’s stifling of free speech in the late stages of a campaign, allowing mainly MSM to push Dems, and his amnesty beliefs and insulting $50 lettuce comments disqualify him completely. I would rather have a real Conservative revolution in 2012, with a Republican Congress stifling a Dem. POTUS in the meantime.
PLEASE do not vote McCain. He is a loose cannon who made a career out of his POW status, there are even statements from his COs while in the Hanoi Hilton, who state that they doubt McCain was ever truly tortured. (Google Ted Guy and “Swede” Larson)
Then there is his absolute disdain for the families of POWs and MIAs who never returned from Vietnam. He, together with Joh Kerry, worked diligently during the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs to discredit anything and everything pertained to missing American servicemen to provide then Pres. Clinton the cover needed to re-establish relations with Vietnam. Why? Because Big Business wanted to be the first in line to jump at the opportunity of a Vietnam who, even if in appearance only, was about to embrace capitalism. Make no mistake about it, it was no coincendence that Kerry and McCain were there next to Clinton when he made the official announcement of re-establishing relations with Communist Vietnam.
I personally know of a case where he shoved the familiy member of an unaccounted for serviceman, has shook his finger in the face of the wife of a missing pilot to the point of turning himself red in the face. Additionally, I have seen video from said Senate Select Committee where he simply tore into the sister of a missing serviceman to the point of bringing her to tears!
There are more than just a handful of discrepencies in his past. Enough for us to stand up and take note - this guy is dangerous. As another poster stated and I whole-heartedly agree, McCain having his finger on the red button, well, that is too much for any of us to take.
Go here for more: http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/mccain_myth.htm
Thank God McCain has no chance. He’s been a RINO in everything I can think of at the moment.
His shamnesty and campaign finance fiascos pretty much say it all.
This, for Michelle’s daughter:
Would you vote for John McCain?
On a boat or in a plane?
I would not, could not, vote McCain.
Not in a boat. Not on a plane.
Could you vote if he were blue?
Could he get your dog’s vote too?
My dog would not vote for him,
nor would my cat.
I would not vote for John McCain.
I would not do it and that is that.
How about in the pouring rain,
under an umbrella held by John McCain?
I would not vote for John McCain.
I would not do it in the rain.
Would you, could you, in Outer Space?
If he beat Ms. Rodham in the ‘08 race?
I would not in a boat or plane
Under an umbrella, out in the rain.
Not with my dog and not with my cat.
I would not vote for John McCain,
I would not do it and that is that!
How about with green eggs and ham?
Liberally smeared with socialist jam?
Not in a boat, not in a plane,
Not in space and not in the rain.
Not with my dog and not with my cat
with eggs or ham or tit for tat.
I will not vote for John McCain.
I just won’t do it and that is that!
How about for a pat on the back?
How about if he promised you that?
Not in a boat and not in a plane,
nor outer space nor under the rain.
Not with my dog and not with my cat,
not even for promises of a pat on the back.
I will not vote for John McCain.
I will not vote for what’s-his-name!
And if he waterboards bad guys?
Will that change - maybe - the way he looks in your eyes?
It will not change however he looks,
he’s just another of the beltway crooks.
Not in a boat or plane
or dog or cat or in the rain.
not in space and not with jam,
that’s just not the kind of guy that I am.
I will not vote for John McCain.
I said it once and I’ll say it again!
Won’t you just listen
and give him a try?
He’s not as bad
as the other bad guys.
*Sigh* I will listen.
I’ll give you that much.
I’ll sit down and listen
to that old such and such.
Did you? Have you? Listened to John?
Did you hear the kind of a roll that he’s on?
I did listen! I did!
And he told me his plans.
How he’ll fix the broke berkas with his very own hands.
He spoke of tax-turbos and great medicare.
He told me to listen if only I’d dare!
He whirled his woo-wonka
and blew his own horn.
He fought against torture and terror and scorn!~
He promised to mend all the broken doo-dundants, the winky wank toogas and pundy pun-pundits.
He’d tell all those know-it-alls we’ll have no bad feelings,
or waterboard action or pincushion needlings.
We’d show the whole world that he really does care,
from his two swollen arches to his Santa-Claus hair.
He’ll reach across aisles and glad shake glad hands
and fix all our troubles with big rubber bands
and stern anxious warnings and strong finger wagging
and tough talk and pleading and sometimes just nagging.
He’d talk about torture while wearing a berka
and get Ted to wear one and maybe John Murtha
(though he doesn’t do much, ol’ Murtha these days, Nancy and Harry have adopted his ways!)
And when he was done I sat down for awhile
and thunkity-thunk till my think-thunker stunk.
then I realized a decision had come
with a klunk.
You decided? You decided?
And what you think?
I made up my mind.
THAT DUMB OLD GUY STINKS!
NOT IN A BOAT! NOT IN A PLANE!
NOT WITH CATS AND JAM AND DOGS IN THE RAIN!
NOT IN SPACE FOR THE PRESIDENT’S RACE!
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN!
NO IS NO AND DON’T ASK ME AGAIN!
All the current media-anointed front runners are just more of the same GOP left-overs. So too with the democrats. And in the familiar Monty Python refrain: “And now for something different”…I like Ron Paul.
Big government means small freedom.
Awesome Cat!!!
McCain is the only Republican candidate I cannot under any circumstances vote for. The reason is basic economics. Incentives work. So if you incentivize his behavior over the last couple of decades you’re going to see a ton more of that from “Republican” senators. And the country simply cannot afford that.
Fixed it for you.
I will not vote for McCain even if he is the only alternative to a dem. but seroiusly lets face it - the guy doesn’t have a chance anyway.
Wait a minute, this poll doesn’t list Ron Paul as a choice!
I’ll vote for him! That is if Hitlary doesn’t get the nod.
sarc off . . .
Not!
Ironically, as one of the few liberals here, I think McCain’s “straight talk” is phony and disagree with him on the war and immigration. BUT come on people, at least he has a spine. I don’t get it: he’s pro-life, small government, supports the Iraq War and so many of you hate him to the point you wouldn’t vote for him over any of the pro-choice, anti-war, big government dems. You remind me of the Dems who hate Lieberman regardless of how progressive 9o% of his agenda is.
Obamanation -n- Hitlary or Hitlary and Obamanation in 08. Either way its all over.
To those who just cannot imagine voting for McCain, Hillary thanks you and she assures you that her first year will make your nightmares seem trivial.
Personally, i think he has figured out the immigration thing - should be a tad better listener now.
Bonsai Billy (#50),
I think the point that you are missing is that McCain “says” a lot of things. But it is really hard to gauge if he really believes these things or if he chose them to gain popularity.
If we want our politicians to be in the thick of things and fight any battle that comes their way, we want them to have the resolve and fortitude to stick it out because they honestly and sincerely believe it is the right thing to do, NOT just the right things to do at a given moment politically.
If McCain can actually physically embrace one of his former captors and figuratively spit in the face of families who are still fighting to find answers to the fate of their loves ones captured during a war, what does that tell you about the character of the man?
Me no like John McCain long time now. He’s considered a hero but how does someone who sits out the war in a prison camp qualify as a hero regardless of how many metals be has because you were there. Navy regulations say two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism and McCain has none for the valor awards he received (Allegedly the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals). No Swift Boats needed here. And now that we have Grandpa in a home we can ask what will we do about John. He has always been the poster boy for photo-opts but far more dangerous, a viper.
McCain constantly wears his military service as if it were a “Get Out of Jail Free” card. It isn’t. The man is tiresome, obnoxious, and quite possibly deranged. Perhaps lunatic times call for a lunatic president, but I would prefer to have a rational choice rather than a cackling echo (apologies to Barry Goldwater).
My God, our enemies must be laughing themselves silly over this, if they aren’t salivating at the prospect of total victory.
This is not an endorsement for John McCain, but I’d ask the Seussians to recall how Green Eggs and Ham ends.
Oh and bit_boy? I’m just going to assume you’re either a troll or as ignorant as your grammar and spelling suggest, and not even bother to explain why Mr. McCain, whatever else he may be, is a hero.
I am sick to death of being asked to vote for someone just because he’s better than a dem.
Reagan was the last enthusiastic vote I cast. And I’m beginning to think I won’t cast another one in my lifetime.
He has a spine? Ted Kennedy has a spine. Snakes have spines too. Having a spine is not a qualification for POTUS.
I would vote for McCain before I’d ever vote for Mike Huckabee, but please America, don’t force me to waste a vote on John McCain.
McCain-Feingold, shamnesty for illegal immigrants, gang of 14, questionable mental stability, buds with Teddy the Swimmer, and he screwed around on his wife.
Typical lying RINO SOS IMHO.
Go Fred!!!
Hopefully Rick, Fred will give us the opportunity.
The New Hampshire center right Union Leader newspaper certainly doesn’t agree with the sentiments expressed on this thread. It is like they see McCain through a different prism. “McCain- a man of integrity and conviction,a man who won’t sell them out, a man who won’t break his promises and who won’t lie to get elected.” Check it out at http://www.captainsquartersblog.com
I tend to believe that Fred Thompson may well make the best President, but can’t always get what you want, you get what you need?
If the evangelical right sits election out because their boy Huckabee isn’t the standard bearer, there’s no way I see GOP succeeding in ‘08.
Not that I want it, but I wonder what impact a successful terror attack might have before conventions? I’d surmise it would play to Hillary on the left and Guliani on the right. Although I’m sure the far left would blame it on Bush.
Well, from the looks of it, McCain’s got some support. The poll (which I did not participate in because I don’t really care) shows that even on this aggressively anti-McCain site 59% of people said they WOULD vote for McCain.
Also, in the national polls on RCP, McCain leads Hillary by almost 5%, while Rudy (the only man who can beat Hillary) is behind her by 2%.
Republicans tend to pick the ‘next in line’. That’s how Bush I got picked, that’s how Dole got picked, that’s how Bush II got picked, and that’s how McCain is going to get picked.
This is not an endorsement. I don’t like any of them from any party (including Ron Paul).
I don’t see the evangelical vote lock step with Huckabee. Maybe some - but I’d venture a smaller rather than larger percentage.
McCain is a RINO, pure and simple, the people in Arizona want to recall him. He cant defeat the Piaps.
Hillary … you’re welcome. And if so-called “conservatives” decide to elect Huckabee to represent us … I’ll make it my mission to assist Hillary in beating him. Conservatives apparently need to be slapped in the face and knocked down a well before they remember what we’re supposed to represent.
John McCain, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, or Mike Huckabee will NOT be getting my vote and I don’t care who they’re running against. If you want to win the election then vote for Fred Thompson. He’s the ONLY candidate that almost all conservatives can rally around, and almost all independents would surely vote Thompson over Her Thighness. Otherwise, a huge chunk of voters will be choosing to find something else to do on election day.
Really? I’ve heard him say he “got the message” but that didn’t stop him from attempting to IGNORE the message! John McCain “got the message” that was clearly sent by 80% of the U.S. population … and then IGNORED US.
If you believe John McCain is going to enforce immigration laws and/or build a wall, I’m pretty sure you believe Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman.
We must not forget his loyal service to his country, Mexico. His old man was a prize, too, being part of the USS Liberty cover up. Runs in the family.
The worst “R” is better than the best “D”. Holding my nose…
a Rino is better than a democRat
I hear that a lot out here in California.. a lot of good it has done for anyone here except those in their good graces.. what better way to turn the base off than embrace another Rino. you won’t hear the dems or the media complaining.
let’s hope we don’t have to make that call next November. or watch for a depressed turn-out
I see that by a vote of 142 to 1 (USA opposing), we taxpayers will cough up about 1/4 of UN’s new $4.2 BILLION budget. So- is there any candidate who opposes this rip-off? If McCain is so fiscally conservative, where then does he stand on US sovereignty? I know he seems to worship at the Goracle and we know that means Americans standard of living must fall to help out the 3rd world through income redistribution. We need to watch what energy we use as 300 million people and not worry that China and India can do whatever they wish in interest of growth. What bullspit!
A RINO is not better than a dem. If they vote for and support the same stuff - how is it better?
What Republicans should be doing is making illegals/amnesty the “litmus test” - from what I can tell a candidate who gets that right gets other important issues right. Plus, it’s a winning issue with the general public for the GOP - but the party doesn’t seem to realize that yet!
Every poll/quiz should have “Ron Paul” as an option, no matter the topic; Coke or Pepsi? Chocolate or vanilla? Ginger or Mary Ann? Or - Ron Paul?
It’s fun to watch the Paulnuts go click-crazy voting for the lunatic of their choice!
This is all moot. He will not get the nod. It is a sad day when people would suggest staying home and, then, Shill got a win. Who then to blame? I would never tell someone who they should vote for but I would beg them not to stay home and complain later. If they did the first words out of my mouth would be STHU.
No! I won’t vote for John McCain.
The Communists washed out his brain
And left the poor guy half insane.
One day (when he forgot his pill)
He teamed with Fiengold for a Bill.
And then again with Kennedy
He tried to pull off amnesty.
No, John McCain is not for me.
But neither is Mike Huckabee.
You’re reading the poll wrong. What’s important to look at is the combination of the different “no” votes. Combine the “no” votes and you’ll find that between 45% and 50% of CONSERVATIVE voters will NOT vote for McCain if he wins the nomination. With those numbers, I think you’ll agree that nominating McCain will end with a Hillary Presidency.
Be smart. Vote for the candidate almost all of us can be motivated to vote for.
Fred Thompson.
I’m not sure when I was in school I had Ron Paul as any answer on any multiple choice exams.
Maybe it needs to be one of the choices on the SAT or ACT tests? Maybe the GMAT? LSAT? MCAT?
If McCain is nomonee I’ll stay home; no more RINOS, that’s it.
That’s an ironic statement, especially being that we’ve spent the last several years listening to fellow conservatives scream and whine non-stop about the GOP being taken over by RINOS. It’s interesting seeing the same people now saying that we should purposely nominate one of the four worst RINOS in history to represent our Party, and you all don’t see it. Not only do we have conservatives actually supporting these morons in the primary, but we have conservatives telling us that we should reward them by electing them President.
Cough.
If you’re so worried about having to hear all the complaints, then vote for the only true conservative in the race.
If not, then please don’t ever come back to this blog and complain about our Party moving to the left. I don’t ever want to see any Giuliani, Huckabee, McCain, or Romney supporters on here whining about illegal aliens, abortion, tax hikes, or loss of gun rights.
At this point, it’s absolutely impossible for any of you to later pretend you weren’t aware of their past records. You’re simply choosing to ignore it.
Regarding Ron Paul “winning” lots of polls: it was amusing that he “won” the vote over at little green footballs. The actual question was who would you NOT vote for for Prez? One wonders just how many Paulbots clicked on Paul without understanding the query.
I’m interested in the Veep selection also. Been a long time since a Prez died in office. Wasn’t there a supposed every 20 year assassination curse?
There is some conjecture that Hillary wants Bob Kerrey as her running mate, with Webb and Wesley Clark other possibles as so-called strong on national defense dem short list. Some say Richardson covets the spot.
Have no idea who might be potential GOP veep. I think egos will play a role on who would want to play 2nd fiddle.
McCant is toast. His campaign laws kept my guy from running. My wish would be that Newt GIngrich changes his mind and jumps in. I can’t vote for McSlain or Julie Annie under any cercumstance.
Wes Clark strong on defense? Ummm…strong as John Kerry?
The plain diregard for Fred Thompson today on FOX news is just wearing on my respect for that “fair and Balanced” network. Fred is all over Iowa right now and they’re coverage of it is non existent, all HuckFinn,RompneyRoom, Scaryillary & mc plain for the most part all being force fed down viewers throats with so called experts paying way to much attention to these lame polls.
McCain’s actions, and often his words, have made it very clear that he does not believe in most of the Bill of Rights, or in local self-government. He perjures himself every time he takes the oath of office. He scares me more than Ms. Clinton does.
Based on his voting record, McCain’s something of a Huckabee, without the God Squad. Since I can’t stand the God Squad (a bunch of lying, cheating, greedy, phony hypocrites), I’d hold my nose and vote for McCain before I’d ever vote for Huckabee. Huckabee is the only candidate who could throw me into the arms of Hillary, which, incidentally, is why the MSM loves him.
Oh, and despite his liberal leanings, I do believe McCain loves this country as I do (I do not believe this about any on the dem side), and he served it in the most heroic way during Vietnam. He also seems to believe Islamo-fascism is a grave threat, as I do. What do you all think his Supreme Court picks would look like?
With all due respect Rick, it’s a little more complicated and the odds a little greater this time around. The Dems have never been so unapologetically far-left as they are today. It’s more than just voting for a Repub you may be unenthusastic about just to keep a Dem off the Rose Garden. You are blocking a fundamental and drastic shift in our socio-political fabric. You’re keeping the Reids and the Pelosis from having everything they want in the furthest left agenda imaginable from happening. You’re keeping the mainstream media from seeing it’s ultra-socialist-Eurotrash model from becoming the way of life in the United States. This is no exaggeration. This is no hyperbole and it’s certainly no joke. This is it. This is the time and this is the place. You either stop the ultra-left congress by putting in someone who would like to stay in office another 4 years - and that means appealing to the base - or you get 60% tax rates on the wealthiest 90 percent of Americans, socialized medicine - so we wind up like Canada (only with no US to run to in an emergancy), sex ed and condoms for 3rd graders in inner cities and 6th grade everywhere else…. you know the drill.
We all want Reagan back. We all want that tireless, sentimental and tough-as-nails champion back in the White House - especially now. But idealism is a great way to give your opponents 100% of everything you might otherwise have. Wanting someone as good as Reagan or not voting is like wanting to have it all -everything - or not participating and it just doesn’t work that way as you know.
We’ll all have to bite the bullet. Or somehow, some way - impossibly - think up some very good excuses when our kids grow up and ask us, “why didn’t you help me back then when you had the chance.”
No joke. No spin. Just unhappy reality. So the time has come to just suck it in and vote for the guy who beats Hillary. Take idealism out of the picture and it all gets very simple.
Waterboarding! Waterboarding! Come o-o-o-o-n waterboarding!
(I just can’t resist the irony of associating, so called, torture with the guy that can’t wait to nominate people to the S.C.O.T.U.S. who will confer every privelidge of the Bill of Rights to the scum that doesn’t even rate consideration by the conventions of Geneva -according to it’s own definition. I’d never vote for Mrs. C, but this Repub would stay home if his only choice was old John “Bring me your illegal, your criminal and your otherwise undesireable” McCain. Here’s to common sense winning out over that Kennedy in a GOPs clothing.)
I’d never vote for the McCain/Dread Kennedy ticket.
There! Fixed it for you.
RadioJoe # 56, my grammar and spelling are just fine but you need some lessons in reading for comprehension.
Will everyone turn on Fred if he ends up leaving the race and endorsing McCain?
You can count me in, er, out, I mean, screw ‘em both if that happens. Come on folks, Reagan was a patriot and an actor, IN THAT ORDER. Thompson is clearly an actor first. Trust your gut (or at least trust mine), he aint for real.
What a weasel! All he has done is to re-arrange the deckchairs of his policy and beliefs on amnesty, just enough to sound a little better to his audience. Nothing has changed except the SEQUENCE: secure the border first, THEN amnesty.
Waterboarding.
If pouring a few drops up water up my nose will prevent McCain from even getting the nomination, then let’s do it now.
If he gets it, (please, NO!) then I don’t know, maybe sit it out, maybe some third party, maybe just bite the ballot and hope he really is better than the dems.
If he’s saying that he wants to put illegals here on a temporary worker program, that’s a different stance, and it is something that I would support after they built the fence.
As long as they are not trying to become citizens for government handouts at some point of their lives, I have no problem with them coming here to fill available jobs that they can do on a TEMPORARY work visa.
The problem with illegals is the cost of the illegals. The costs to schools, police, hospitals, Medicare, Medicaid, and social security. If these people become citizens, they get all of these programs that are going broke with just the legal people on them.
Whether or not he’s telling the truth is another story. But all of the R’s are just as bad, so it’s not like there’s a good choice to pick from.
Thompson maybe, but his organization is crap, and he doesn’t campaign well on a national level. McCain campaigns well. . . and he beats Hillary.
America was strong enough to survive 8 years of Clinton. I’d rather take my chances with another 4 years of Clinton, rather than to see the GOP continue wandering the wilderness with an unconservative president as its de-facto “leader.”
Bush is not a conservative, and remember that in 2000, we rejected McCain as even less conservative than Bush. Ergo, electing McCain president would be a step in the wrong direction.
The governance difference between St John the Rio Grand baptist and Hill, the
socialistcloset communist, is negligible.Hey how bout, if I volunteer to be water boarded if St John will withdraw.
Nobody here has yet answered the fundamental question - how is John McCain any better than any of the Dems. When they support the same stuff - the one in sheeps clothing is actually more dangerous than the one with big teeth showing.
Don’t get me wrong - Hillary would be horrendous for the country. Obama would be horrendous, Dodd - Horrendous, Biden - horrendous. Kucinich - good for mars? The RINO’s would also be horrendous. We can’t afford a RINO - they will get us to the exact same place as the dems doing it covertly - as opposed to explicitly.
Under no circumstance will I vote for one of the RINO bunch.
Like the wizard said…NO WAY, NO HOW!!!
A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Never would I pull the lever for McCain. He may be right of Hillary, but they’re standing shoulder to shoulder, so it’s no difference which would win.
Never…ever.
God Bless John McCain for his military service. Beyond that, he’s just another RINO politico expanding the government and undermining our liberties. Everybody swears to uphold the constitution when elected, then immediately sets to undermining it through grotesque legislative processes, lobbying and corruption. Rep. Paul’s constitutional platform therefore is very appealing.
Not a chance.
Carter won in 1976 and in 1980 the Democrats were decimated and Reagan was elected. If we keep voting for lesser evils like McCain, the whole spectrum will continue to shift to the left, and the lesser evils will be farther and farther to the left.
Carter won in 1976 and in 1980 the Democrats were decimated and Reagan was elected. If we keep voting for lesser evils like McCain, the whole spectrum will continue to shift to the left, and the lesser evils will be farther and farther to the left.
What is ironic about it? 13% of people said they will stay home if he gets the nod. What percent of the 13% will complain if Shill is elected? Those are sure people I will have little tolerance for.
Like I said earlier, if for no other reason, go and cancel out a liberal’s vote. That will do the rest of us a favor.
I don’t think it’s a favor to the conservative movement (an entirely different animal than today’s Republican party) to allow someone wearing the cloak of conservativism to implement liberal policies so that conservativism can be blamed for the results and move us even further left. How are we supposed to come back from that scenario?
I feel the same way. If we keep voting, will that only encourage this type of politician? Or is it a case of, if we don’t vote, we can’t complain.
McCain was RIGHT on the war when all the Dems and many R’s weren’t. McCain says that he’ll tackle government waste by cutting spending - Dems say they will fix the problem by raising taxes. McCain says he’ll build the fence (he supported building the fence during amnesty, and HE wasn’t the one calling people against it ‘bigots’).
I can list all the things I dislike about him too. And I never thought I’d post anything positive about him, but the choices are terrible.
How’s this for a scenario. . . McCain/Bloomberg. That way McCain shuts down the concept of a Bloomberg 3rd party and he gets the resources of a billionaire for the campaign. He likely wins NY, FL, and CA and no Hillary.
I’m not saying I like any of this. . . it’s all political theater. Very entertaining.
Here’s the thing. Since the Republican Party knows that conservatives are going to vote for them no matter what, they’re not particularly worried about courting the conservative vote. Why should they bother sucking up to conservatives who are going to vote for them no matter what when they can adopt a liberal stance and possibly attract moderate liberal votes as well as the conservative vote.
The Republican Party will only return to conservative values when they start losing conservative votes. If voters start leaving the Republican Party for more conservative political parties, you can bet the Republicans will start asking themselves what they need to do to get those voters back.
Don’t believe me? The Democrats partly blame Ralph Nader and the Green Party for Al Gore’s loss in 2000. Ever since then the Democrats have been moving farther left to try and bring those voters back into the fold. Its the same principle.
You want the Republican Party to ditch the RINOs and move back to the Right? Then vote but don’t vote Republican. Vote for whatever conservative third party candidate you can find who most closely matches your views.
Sure, we might wind up with a Democrat president and congress. So what? That’s the situation we had in ‘92 but we survived it and in ‘94 we got a Republican controlled congress with Newt Gingrich in a leadership position and the Contract With America.
Former Senator Fred Thompson is the only real conservative in the race for the Republican nomination, and the only candidate who can unite all three pillars of the Republican Party, namely, fiscal conservatives; national security and defense conservatives; and religious conservatives. The Republican party, given that the nation is divided, cannot afford to alienate any of these pillars, or they will lose in the general election, as a sufficient number of the alienated pillar’s constituents will simply not cast a vote for president when they vote. This is not an attempt to intimidate Republican voters, but merely a recognition that there are certain conservative voters who simply will not violate their own principles and vote for someone they have fundamental disagreements with, or do not trust. For example, Governor Romney, has not provided a satisfactory answer in the minds of many religious conservatives in his efforts to explain the change from pro-choice to pro-life. They want to know the motivation, and need to be convinced that it was not political. This matter remains unresolved, and thus alienates a proportion of religious conservatives who would otherwise support him as the party’s nominee - regardless of his own religious persuasion. Mayor Guiliani also has a similar problem with religious conservatives, given his personal position on abortion; and promising to appoint strict constructionist judges will not vitiate the conflict with pro-life constituents. Religious conservatives will not vote for a pro-choice Republican nominee - even if it means electing Senator Clinton president. They will not violate a moral conviction. They will simply adopt the attitude - God’s will be done, and maintain their conviction. Governor Huckabee alienates fiscal conservatives as a result of his tax and spend policies during his tenure in Arkansas. Senator McCain, terminally severed his relationship with a proportion of national security conservatives through his aggressive support of the proposed comprehensive immigration agreement, which failed as a result of a citizens’ uprising against this legislation; his opposition to the tax cut policy of the Bush Administration; and his opposition to aggressive interrogation techniques on high value captured terrorists.
Senator Thompson has none of the foregoing problems. He is strong on defense of the nation during a time of war, and has already committed to a substantial increase in the size of our military to fight the enemy threatening our survival; will seal the border, and reverse illegal immigration through attrition; will maintain the current tax policy, and reduce taxes by instituting his proposed voluntary flat tax system with only two rates, one at 10% with no deductions; and the other 25% maximum with current deductions maintained. He will also lower the corporate tax rate to ensure US Corporations are operating at the same tax rates as foreign corporations. Moreover, Mr. Thompson is the only candidate to assemble a plan to address the impending social security system crisis - the “third rail” of American politics. The Senator is acceptable to religious conservatives as well, given his strong and long-standing pro-life position, which explains why he was endorsed by the National Right to Life organization, and many similar state organizations. As to the “fire in the belly” complaint , which is preferable, “Fire in the belly;” or the following leadership characteristics? Personal integrity; moral conviction; courage; perseverance; boldness; humility; analytical intelligence; calm and deliberate; decisiveness; understands historical context and timing; commitment; and vision. In short, the Senator will show more than adequate “fire in the belly” when he demonstrates to those attempting to destroy our beloved nation a backbone of iron and the fury of an adversary who will unleash a conflagration, if necessary, to preserve our sacred liberty. One must guard against being deceived by cliché terms such as “fire in the belly,” in the middle of a media driven political campaign, when there are substantially more important, and higher priority characteristics needed in the President of the United States, and leader of the free world.
For Republicans to win the White House, they must be united and have a large voter turnout among all three of their voting pillars, that is fiscal conservatives; national security conservatives; and religious conservatives. Senator Thompson, is the only candidate not alienating any of these voting pillars, and thus can galvanize their support. Accordingly, he is the best hope for Republicans in the 2008 national election. Indeed Senator Thompson can win the general election, and rest assured the other party knows it for the same reasons articulated herein; to wit: he unites the Republican constituencies and assures a large conservative voter turnout in the 2008 election.
Rip: Normally I would agree with you 100%,but this election is far too important .Under no circumstances should any Conservative sit this one out.The stakes are too high;any Republican is better than what the Democrats have to offer.The Democrats already have a majority in the Legislative branch,we cannot afford to give them the Executive as well,even if we have to elect a RINO.
blues: There will never be a good time. Every election will be “far too important”. You’ll keep voting for Republicans and they’ll keep up their gradual slide into liberalism because you and voters like you will have given the thumbs up to them continuing to conduct business as usual.
The situation will never get better, it will only get worse and worse, until conservative voters force the Republicans to pay attention by shifting their votes to other parties. It is only when those votes are seen as being in play, i.e. up for grabs, that the Republican party will feel it actually needs to do something to earn conservative votes.
Did you bother to read my comment? I was extremely specific about what the irony is.
13%? Is that all you see? What is it you’re missing in the poll results? How about an additional 27% who would rather be waterboarded? How about another 2% who would vote for Hillary.
The reality is that nearly half of conservatives will NOT vote for McCain, and I’d predict the numbers are nearly as bad for Huckabee or Giuliani.
Again, read my comment again. It will be the very same people who nominated the fool in the first place who end up doing most of the whining about all the liberal decisions he’s sure to make.
If you don’t want to spend the next four years whining … then vote for the true conservative in the race and stop selling out your convictions.
Why the Hell would I want to do a favor for the morons who helped to destroy this country by nominating a complete fraud to represent us? All Huckabee, Romney, and Giuliani supporters deserve exactly what they get, which will be a liberal President.
NO MATTER WHAT:
NO to McCain
NO to Rudi
NO to Fred
NO to Huckabee
NO to Mitt
NO to Newt
So far, Duncan Hunter is the only one still in it that I will consider voting for.
There are a few other names I’d seriously consider writing in, in the General Election, if Duncan doesn’t get the nomination.
But the RINOS of the GOP won’t get my vote, no matter what.
Who’s the Carrot - Who’s the Stick?
I’m not looking to be an old car tire tied to the neck of a fiesty donkey!
If I cannot be the worst nightmare of the
DemocratSocialist Party of the USA, the least I can do is let them know what I think of them.A vote for McCain or Rudi or Fred is a vote that says, “Oh Gee whiz, Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy, Bill Vacuum Cleaner Nose Clinton - [giggle giggle giggle tee hee hee] - you are just going tooooo fast for me! I swear! I do declare! [tee hee hee hee hee!]”
Good Grief! How could you ever go to heaven and face George Washington with THAT on your conscience!
AMEN! AND AMEN!!
You said it, Brother! I gawr-own-TEE!
Why should we make the idiots feel better for them sitting in the hull of the boat going after it with all their little old-fashioned manual drills, making holes as fast as they can all over the hull til it looks like swiss cheese, and they want us to stay in their boat and bail, so they can pretend that drilling holes in the hull 2,000 miles from any land or other ship is a wonderful party game.
But we are the party poopers because we want THEM to stop drilling holes faster than anyone can repair them!
No way I am sitting it out, but neither will I vote for a RINO, or I should say, a CINO - Conservative In Name Only.
I don’t care what party - but trying to vote for a Conservative DOES rule OUT the Dim Party, automatically!
I’m not stuck on a PARTY and am perfectly happy to vote for a WRITE IN so that county and district and state clerks have to stay up a few minutes later for each such vote and write down the name, and tally that column, and submit a list of the names of write-ins to the State Secretary, and the party leadership has to get a list of the write-ins and try to figure out, what does THAT mean.
Mickey Mouse doesn’t tell them ANYTHING - but Ann Coulter, Oliver North, John Bolton, Tom McClintock, Michelle Malkin, etc - those names SAY SOMETHING.
When those elections board members lose a little sleep over the returns, because they had to stay up later and compose that list of write-ins, then at least I will have made my vote count.
I ain’t got no lemming qualities, and I ain’t impressed with the GOP slate, or the GOP National Committee.
They are looking a lot donkey-faced, this year! And that don’t remind me of what I am looking for.
I’m going to the polling booth to VOTE - NOT TO THROW UP!
If the Republican Party knows so darned much, they ought to know what cost them the elections in ‘76 and in ‘96.
Robert Dole didn’t lose because of H. Ross Perto!
Perot’s votes were NEVER Dole’s to lose.
Ditto the amount of Conservative voters that Ford needed to have defeated a peanut farmer from Georgia that nobody had ever heard of.
If the GOP wants to spit on the Conservative voters, so be it.
But we’ve proven that this nation is NOT interested in TWO SOCIALIST parties. If the Republicans want the Democrat vote, they can have it - but they won’t get BOTH the Democrats and also the Conservatives at the same time!
And they won’t get enough Democrats to win the Elections, either!
AMEN! THAT IS THE PERFECT NAIL!
I’ve already turned many from voting for Fred by reminding them Fred the former prosecutor voted NOT GUILTY for Bill’s PERJURY, and now claims that is the FOUNDING FATHERS’ philosophy about it, too! And that HE was the PRIMARY PUSHER for the McCain Feingold, and was McCain’s 2000 Campaign manager.
They don’t even need a discussion. He is OUT OF THE QUESTION!
Butt*&$$#-( of both McCain AND Clinton!!!
Kiss my grits!
The question here is really very, very simple: if forced into an undesirable situation of two unwanted candidates, would you vote anyway and choose the lesser of two evils for the sake of the country, or would you not?
If your answer is no, then in my opinion your patriotism in in very serious question to say the least. When our soldiers have to go out on dangerous missions where the odds are against them and it’s more likely than not they may lose their lives - these desperate situations happen, sometimes - do they say, “no, the situation isn’t good enough for me?”. No, they do it for God and country. And sometimes they do lose their lives - everything they have on earth, forever, with no second chances.
It irks me to my core to hear people self-righteously supposedly stand on principle in the most spoiled of ways simply because their choices aren’t warm and fuzzy enough for them to be suitably happy.
Pardon me for saying the obvious, but life isn’t that snuggy-wuggy, and there are no epithets strong enough to use against those who act as though voting unenthusiastically for the good of the country is simply more than they can possibly bear. Tell that to our soldiers.
Despite my hasty Dr Seuss knock-off, above, if it was McCain or Hillary Clinton, I would absolutely vote for McCain. I would never vote for McCain in a primary in a million years, but in a general election? Of course. I’d be sick as a dog to do it, but we have a responsibility to our kids and neighbors and troops - and ourselves.
Wake up and smell the coffee, idealists. The world needs your practical involvement, not self-righteous moral perfection.