Would you, could you, vote McCain?

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 26, 2007 12:54 PM

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Here’s some straight talk about John McCain from New Hampshire voters, via the Boston Globe. The voters’ main concerns: He’s a Ted Kennedy shamnesty supporter and he’s too old:

The Manchester Union Leader attacks Romney as a Johnny-come-lately on behalf of McCain–himself a Johnny-come-lately (and not a very sincere one) on immigration enforcement.

Uuuuggghh.

Allah is depressingly right about this:

I’m not looking forward to nine months of “well, he beats the alternative” posts next year, but then we’re pretty much guaranteed that no matter who wins the nomination.

Thomas Sowell also speaks for me:

None of the candidates looks truly inspiring at this point. I wouldn’t buy a used car from most of them, nor a brand new car from some of them…

… John McCain seems to be having a little resurgence but it is hard to believe that Republicans are so desperate as to support a man who joined with far left Democrat Russ Feingold to restrict free speech in the name of “campaign finance reform” and with Ted Kennedy to sponsor a bill giving amnesty to illegal immigrants.

…This nation has come back from unpromising times before. Let’s hope that we have not already used up all our luck.

Today’s MM.com poll question:

Would you, could you, vote McCain?

Would you, could you, vote McCain?
Yes, I love John McCain!
Yes, sigh, I’d hold my nose and vote McCain.
No, I’ll sit it out if he’s the GOP nominee.
No, I’d vote for Hillary before I’d vote for McCain.
No. Never. I’d rather be waterboarded.

  
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  1. #203295
    On December 26th, 2007 at 12:59 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    ANYBODY but Clinton.

    support a man who joined with far left Democrat Russ Feingold to restrict free speech in the name of “campaign finance reform”

    That in turn gave us groups like MoveOn.org and others…who quickly and efficiently skirted the law. As expected.

  2. #203297
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:04 pm, mnmike said:

    But…momma loves him

  3. #203298
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:05 pm, davenp35 said:

    McCain-Feingold, shamnesty for illegal immigrants, gang of 14, questionable mental stability, and on and on and on. I pray either Fred or Mitt get the nomination so I won’t have to vote for McCain.

  4. #203300
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:05 pm, puhiawa said:

    McCain has no respect for the Constitution and will try to legislate around it. He will also screw us on the borders if given a chance. And his association with the Keating 5 does not inspire confidence. Then there are the vicious temper tantrums.

  5. #203305
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:07 pm, walterc said:

    Let’s hope that stonger heads prevail. After his collaboratin with Kennedy, I’m not sure why he’s even allowed on the Republican ticket.

    If he was running on the Dem side, he’d be a viable moderate alternative.

  6. #203309
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:09 pm, TXRose said:

    He’s still preferable to HRC. I would hold my nose and remember my Mother
    saying that sometimes you have to vote for the lesser of two evils (not to say
    McCain is evil but you get the drift).

  7. #203310
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:10 pm, gollumclone said:

    I wonder just how McCain differs from Bush in reality? Other than being older, a favorite of the media and wanting rights for terrorists? You know what his real feelings are on illegal immigration. You see what his crappy McCain-Feingold campaign law has wrought. Yes, he is good on spending.
    He’s superior to the dem choices, but no
    great alternative to me. If he were actually elected, I’d hope his Veep would not be a disaster (god, please no Huckabee or Paul).
    People make a big deal about abortion, but what has Bush done to overturn Roe v. Wade?

  8. #203311
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:11 pm, ajmontana said:

    ABH
    Anyone but Hillary
    Go Fred!!!!!!!!

  9. #203313
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:15 pm, conservativesRus said:

    If you look at the poll – if McCain is the nominee, the election is lost.
    Many on the conservative side don’t really see the difference in a McCain and the Dems. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck but calls itself a parrot, what is it?

  10. #203314
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:15 pm, gollumclone said:

    Also McCain stands with the Euroweenies on global warming and rights for terrorists. I know he’s a genuine war hero, but what does that mean? Older man Bob Dole was a war hero and Clinton a draft dodger. You saw how well that went. Do we have to have a choce between a Rino and a Socialist?

  11. #203316
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:23 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    If McCain is the Republican nominee, I’ll likely stay home than vote for this clown. He doesn’t stand for anything, just like a democrat.

  12. #203321
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:30 pm, J S Ragman said:

    I have never met Senator McCain, but I have met a handful of other Hanoi Hilton POWs, and the North Vietnamese managed to knock at least one screw loose in all of them. Not to downplay their service, and not to say that he is a Manchurian Candidate, but I’m not so sure I would like his finger on the button.

  13. #203322
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:30 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I’ll likely stay home

    Bad idea. Your vote could, at the very least, offset a Democrat.

  14. #203326
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:32 pm, Ditkaca said:

    If Hillary is the Dem candidate and McCain is the Rebuplican, yeah right, I’d go with McCain. But if the Dem isn’t Hillary I’d have to reconsider.

    McCain isn’t good for this country.

  15. #203328
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:32 pm, thirteen28 said:

    Tough poll, re: deciding between ‘never’ and ‘hold my nose’. I never really could vote for McVain (whom I do not believe is anywhere near as principled as some of his defenders say), but the prospect of Hillary might get me to pull the lever for him in a vote against Hillary.

    It’s really depressing how bad this field of candidates is on both sides.

    For the Republicans, I sometimes think we might be in a situation similar to 1976, where it might actually be better for our long-term prospects if we lost in ‘08. Being completely out of power might have the effect of getting the various party factions to put aside their differences, and I can see us retaking congress in a big way in 2010 after 2 years of liberalism run amok, and retaking the WH in 2012 if we get a candidate with some real depth that could beat one of the lightweights that the Dems are sure to nominate.

  16. #203329
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:35 pm, Mookie said:

    Can you imagine what will happen if Thompson drops out and endorses McCain? Heads exploding across the blogosphere!

  17. #203330
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:35 pm, Ditkaca said:

    and I can see us retaking congress in a big way in 2010 after 2 4 years of liberalism run amok

    fixed that for you

  18. #203331
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:36 pm, kwrxxx said:

    At 72 McCain is to old to be president.

  19. #203333
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:37 pm, LauraC said:

    So, wait – if enough of us agree to be waterboarded, can we get a guarantee that he won’t be the nominee?

    I’ll take that waterboarding and raise you 8 hours in a cold room in a stress position, if it meant I could be guaranteed 4 or 8 years of a McCain-free White House. It’d be well worth it.

  20. #203334
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:38 pm, granite said:

    #13:

    “On December 26th, 2007 at 1:30 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I’ll likely stay home
    Bad idea. Your vote could, at the very least, offset a Democrat.”

    I agree with you emphatically, #13: terrible idea.

    Staying home would be virtually equivalent to voting Democrat.

    What good would be accomplished by (figuratively) cutting off one’s nose, in order to say to one’s bloody face (RINOs), “There, what do you think of that?!”

    And, meanwhile, the dangerous socialist (a.k.a. Democrat) clowns would be that much closer to having free reign in their quest to remake and devastate our country, culture, and society.

  21. #203335
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:41 pm, hatelibs said:

    We should certainly hope he doesn’t get the nomination and I would be shocked if he did. However…it cannot be denied that ANYTHING IS BETTER THAT ANYBODY FROM THE OTHER SIDE….except Ron Paul who is just as loonie. Getting 25% of what you want is better than getting ZERO when they are the only cloices.

    None of us wants to think that way but the devistation to this country with Hitlary or Obama would take a generation to correct…if the world survived that long. Seriously, I want nothing to do with McCain. But sitting out an election on principle or voting for a better person who cannot win and ending up with Clinton accomplishes nothing except insuring the further conversion to socialism and likely elimination of this country’s military superiority that provides our national security. In other words…kiss this country goodbye!

  22. #203338
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:48 pm, swj719AWG said:

    Would you, could you, vote McCain?

    I would not, could not, vote McCain
    I would not, could not, in the rain.

    I would rather die from shot to head
    He’ll not get my vote, Michelle I said.

  23. #203339
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:48 pm, wrcnossen said:

    I would sit it out. I just don’t see enough difference between the republican or democrat candidates. The repubs are just demo-lite. They still believe that the government solution is the best solution, the repubs just do it a little slower.

    I don’t believe that any of them have the stones to say “NO, YOU SHOULD PAY FOR THAT YOURSELF.” to any group that comes begging for help, paid for with our tax dollars.

  24. #203340
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:48 pm, steveegg said:

    That is one ugly Hobson’s choice. You left out one choice; “do to the Republicans what they did to the Whigs in 1856″.

  25. #203346
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pm, zorro said:

    … it is hard to believe that Republicans are so desperate as to support a man who joined with far left Democrat Russ Feingold to restrict free speech in the name of “campaign finance reform” and with Ted Kennedy to sponsor a bill giving amnesty to illegal immigrants….

    I’d rather be waterboarded.

  26. #203351
    On December 26th, 2007 at 1:58 pm, Rip Ford said:

    I couldn’t bring myself to vote Democrat and if McCain gets the Republican nomination I certainly won’t be voting for him either. Where’s the poll option to vote for a third party or is that the equivalent of being waterboarded?

  27. #203354
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:02 pm, LauraC said:

    I think there’s a fair case to be made for staying home or even voting for a Democrat, if the Republican candidate is too liberal. Rush makes a good case about redefining conservativism which I thing should be heeded, and to paraphrase what Ace wrote, if we’re going to essentially have a Democrat in the White House, then the Democrats should have to take the blame for what will inevitably result.

    That said, could I pull the lever for Hillary, or force myself to miss an election for the first time in my adult life? I don’t know.

  28. #203355
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:03 pm, HYTEAndy said:

    No Ron Paul answer in your quiz?!? You’re stifling his support! Fascism awaits!

    /sarc

  29. #203357
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:05 pm, conservativesRus said:

    Would one of you please explain what the difference is in gettting a democrat who has an R after their name vs one who has a D after their name.

    I’m not yet convinced that if we get a RINO, many will know who/what the enemy is. The enemy is liberalism – and if we get a RINO, they will seek to implement liberalism.

  30. #203362
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:09 pm, ACHefty said:

    Almost a year ago, I answered that question:

    In a one-on-one debate with the Democratic front-runner, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, McCain would get clobbered because he would be too busy being nice to her. He’ll spend all his time stroking her ego while she is stabbing his political back. Not a good recipe for victory.

    If Senator McCain wins the Republican nomination, I will likely vote for him because I fear who would run against him on the other side of the ticket. However, it is a long struggle to get through the primaries, and you can bet he will not receive a primary vote from me.

    In the arena of ideas and ideals, we need a stronger voice and a stronger candidate. McCain is not that man.

    I stand by my earliest 1999 verbal comments to a friend, that I believe McCain is the most dangerous politician in all of Washington. Still.

  31. #203365
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:12 pm, Gregor said:

    Will Michelle be officially endorsing a candidate at some point?

    Here are some endorsements from some of the more popular conservative blogs.

  32. #203368
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:16 pm, katieanne said:

    McCain is RINO. He has more in common with Teddy than what I believe. Although I respect the man and appreciate his service to our country, IMO, voting for him would be like voting for Teddy, something I could never stomach.

  33. #203370
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:23 pm, James Felix said:

    No matter how nauseating I find McCain I find the prospect of a second Clinton Administration much more so.

    It could also be argued that he could do less damage as President than he does as a Senator. As long as Congress sends him nothing offensive to sign then his views on various legislative matters don’t matter all that much.

    Sadly I think this election is going to boil down to “whom do you think will do the least damage to the nation?”. Given the field of choices I think any of the Republicans are less dangerous than any of the Democrats.

    As a nation we might want to ask why the job of “Most Powerful Person in the World” attracts such a dismal pool of applicants. I had a more talented bunch show up the last time I advertised for an administrative assistant.

  34. #203377
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:29 pm, JoAnn in VA said:

    I am so tired of voting Republican because it is the lesser of two evils. When is the party going to become “the greater good” instead?

  35. #203379
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:32 pm, katieanne said:

    When is the party going to become “the greater good” instead?

    Amen to that JoAnn.

  36. #203384
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:40 pm, fred5676 said:

    I am furious with McCain’s stifling of free speech in the late stages of a campaign, allowing mainly MSM to push Dems, and his amnesty beliefs and insulting $50 lettuce comments disqualify him completely. I would rather have a real Conservative revolution in 2012, with a Republican Congress stifling a Dem. POTUS in the meantime.

  37. #203387
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:43 pm, MarcTheInfidel said:

    PLEASE do not vote McCain. He is a loose cannon who made a career out of his POW status, there are even statements from his COs while in the Hanoi Hilton, who state that they doubt McCain was ever truly tortured. (Google Ted Guy and “Swede” Larson)

    Then there is his absolute disdain for the families of POWs and MIAs who never returned from Vietnam. He, together with Joh Kerry, worked diligently during the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs to discredit anything and everything pertained to missing American servicemen to provide then Pres. Clinton the cover needed to re-establish relations with Vietnam. Why? Because Big Business wanted to be the first in line to jump at the opportunity of a Vietnam who, even if in appearance only, was about to embrace capitalism. Make no mistake about it, it was no coincendence that Kerry and McCain were there next to Clinton when he made the official announcement of re-establishing relations with Communist Vietnam.

    I personally know of a case where he shoved the familiy member of an unaccounted for serviceman, has shook his finger in the face of the wife of a missing pilot to the point of turning himself red in the face. Additionally, I have seen video from said Senate Select Committee where he simply tore into the sister of a missing serviceman to the point of bringing her to tears!

    There are more than just a handful of discrepencies in his past. Enough for us to stand up and take note – this guy is dangerous. As another poster stated and I whole-heartedly agree, McCain having his finger on the red button, well, that is too much for any of us to take.

    Go here for more: http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/mccain_myth.htm

  38. #203389
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:46 pm, TMoney said:

    Thank God McCain has no chance. He’s been a RINO in everything I can think of at the moment.

    His shamnesty and campaign finance fiascos pretty much say it all.

  39. #203392
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    This, for Michelle’s daughter:

    Would you vote for John McCain?
    On a boat or in a plane?

    I would not, could not, vote McCain.
    Not in a boat. Not on a plane.

    Could you vote if he were blue?
    Could he get your dog’s vote too?

    My dog would not vote for him,
    nor would my cat.
    I would not vote for John McCain.
    I would not do it and that is that.

    How about in the pouring rain,
    under an umbrella held by John McCain?

    I would not vote for John McCain.
    I would not do it in the rain.

    Would you, could you, in Outer Space?
    If he beat Ms. Rodham in the ‘08 race?

    I would not in a boat or plane
    Under an umbrella, out in the rain.
    Not with my dog and not with my cat.
    I would not vote for John McCain,
    I would not do it and that is that!

    How about with green eggs and ham?
    Liberally smeared with socialist jam?

    Not in a boat, not in a plane,
    Not in space and not in the rain.
    Not with my dog and not with my cat
    with eggs or ham or tit for tat.
    I will not vote for John McCain.
    I just won’t do it and that is that!

    How about for a pat on the back?
    How about if he promised you that?

    Not in a boat and not in a plane,
    nor outer space nor under the rain.
    Not with my dog and not with my cat,
    not even for promises of a pat on the back.
    I will not vote for John McCain.
    I will not vote for what’s-his-name!

    And if he waterboards bad guys?
    Will that change – maybe – the way he looks in your eyes?

    It will not change however he looks,
    he’s just another of the beltway crooks.
    Not in a boat or plane
    or dog or cat or in the rain.
    not in space and not with jam,
    that’s just not the kind of guy that I am.
    I will not vote for John McCain.
    I said it once and I’ll say it again!

    Won’t you just listen
    and give him a try?
    He’s not as bad
    as the other bad guys.

    *Sigh* I will listen.
    I’ll give you that much.
    I’ll sit down and listen
    to that old such and such.

    Did you? Have you? Listened to John?
    Did you hear the kind of a roll that he’s on?

    I did listen! I did!
    And he told me his plans.
    How he’ll fix the broke berkas with his very own hands.
    He spoke of tax-turbos and great medicare.
    He told me to listen if only I’d dare!
    He whirled his woo-wonka
    and blew his own horn.
    He fought against torture and terror and scorn!~
    He promised to mend all the broken doo-dundants, the winky wank toogas and pundy pun-pundits.
    He’d tell all those know-it-alls we’ll have no bad feelings,
    or waterboard action or pincushion needlings.
    We’d show the whole world that he really does care,
    from his two swollen arches to his Santa-Claus hair.
    He’ll reach across aisles and glad shake glad hands
    and fix all our troubles with big rubber bands
    and stern anxious warnings and strong finger wagging
    and tough talk and pleading and sometimes just nagging.
    He’d talk about torture while wearing a berka
    and get Ted to wear one and maybe John Murtha
    (though he doesn’t do much, ol’ Murtha these days, Nancy and Harry have adopted his ways!)
    And when he was done I sat down for awhile
    and thunkity-thunk till my think-thunker stunk.
    then I realized a decision had come
    with a klunk.

    You decided? You decided?
    And what you think?

    I made up my mind.
    THAT DUMB OLD GUY STINKS!
    NOT IN A BOAT! NOT IN A PLANE!
    NOT WITH CATS AND JAM AND DOGS IN THE RAIN!
    NOT IN SPACE FOR THE PRESIDENT’S RACE!
    I WILL NOT VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN!
    NO IS NO AND DON’T ASK ME AGAIN!

  40. #203394
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:53 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    All the current media-anointed front runners are just more of the same GOP left-overs. So too with the democrats. And in the familiar Monty Python refrain: “And now for something different”…I like Ron Paul.

  41. #203395
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    Big government means small freedom.

  42. #203401
    On December 26th, 2007 at 2:59 pm, Ditkaca said:

    Awesome Cat!!!

  43. #203402
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pm, skey said:

    McCain is the only Republican candidate I cannot under any circumstances vote for. The reason is basic economics. Incentives work. So if you incentivize his behavior over the last couple of decades you’re going to see a ton more of that from “Republican” senators. And the country simply cannot afford that.

  44. #203405
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pm, Gregor said:

    meatpieandtatters said:
    And in the familiar Monty Python refrain: “And now for something different completely idiotic”…I like Ron Paul.

    Fixed it for you.

  45. #203406
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:09 pm, mlnicosia said:

    I will not vote for McCain even if he is the only alternative to a dem. but seroiusly lets face it – the guy doesn’t have a chance anyway.

  46. #203409
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:17 pm, Milwaukee Mike said:

    Wait a minute, this poll doesn’t list Ron Paul as a choice!

  47. #203411
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:18 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    I’ll vote for him! That is if Hitlary doesn’t get the nod.

  48. #203412
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:19 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    sarc off . . .

  49. #203413
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:19 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Not!

  50. #203414
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:20 pm, Bonsai Billy said:

    Ironically, as one of the few liberals here, I think McCain’s “straight talk” is phony and disagree with him on the war and immigration. BUT come on people, at least he has a spine. I don’t get it: he’s pro-life, small government, supports the Iraq War and so many of you hate him to the point you wouldn’t vote for him over any of the pro-choice, anti-war, big government dems. You remind me of the Dems who hate Lieberman regardless of how progressive 9o% of his agenda is.

  51. #203415
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:21 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Obamanation -n- Hitlary or Hitlary and Obamanation in 08. Either way its all over.

  52. #203417
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:30 pm, gandolphxx said:

    To those who just cannot imagine voting for McCain, Hillary thanks you and she assures you that her first year will make your nightmares seem trivial.

    Personally, i think he has figured out the immigration thing – should be a tad better listener now.

  53. #203418
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:34 pm, MarcTheInfidel said:

    Bonsai Billy (#50),
    I think the point that you are missing is that McCain “says” a lot of things. But it is really hard to gauge if he really believes these things or if he chose them to gain popularity.

    If we want our politicians to be in the thick of things and fight any battle that comes their way, we want them to have the resolve and fortitude to stick it out because they honestly and sincerely believe it is the right thing to do, NOT just the right things to do at a given moment politically.

    If McCain can actually physically embrace one of his former captors and figuratively spit in the face of families who are still fighting to find answers to the fate of their loves ones captured during a war, what does that tell you about the character of the man?

  54. #203422
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:38 pm, bit_boy said:

    Me no like John McCain long time now. He’s considered a hero but how does someone who sits out the war in a prison camp qualify as a hero regardless of how many metals be has because you were there. Navy regulations say two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism and McCain has none for the valor awards he received (Allegedly the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals). No Swift Boats needed here. And now that we have Grandpa in a home we can ask what will we do about John. He has always been the poster boy for photo-opts but far more dangerous, a viper.

  55. #203426
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:50 pm, beenthere said:

    McCain constantly wears his military service as if it were a “Get Out of Jail Free” card. It isn’t. The man is tiresome, obnoxious, and quite possibly deranged. Perhaps lunatic times call for a lunatic president, but I would prefer to have a rational choice rather than a cackling echo (apologies to Barry Goldwater).

    My God, our enemies must be laughing themselves silly over this, if they aren’t salivating at the prospect of total victory.

  56. #203429
    On December 26th, 2007 at 3:53 pm, Radiojoe1470 said:

    This is not an endorsement for John McCain, but I’d ask the Seussians to recall how Green Eggs and Ham ends.

    Oh and bit_boy? I’m just going to assume you’re either a troll or as ignorant as your grammar and spelling suggest, and not even bother to explain why Mr. McCain, whatever else he may be, is a hero.

  57. #203440
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:07 pm, Rick Moran said:

    I am sick to death of being asked to vote for someone just because he’s better than a dem.

    Reagan was the last enthusiastic vote I cast. And I’m beginning to think I won’t cast another one in my lifetime.

  58. #203443
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:18 pm, conservativesRus said:

    He has a spine? Ted Kennedy has a spine. Snakes have spines too. Having a spine is not a qualification for POTUS.

  59. #203449
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:22 pm, Pal2Pal said:

    I would vote for McCain before I’d ever vote for Mike Huckabee, but please America, don’t force me to waste a vote on John McCain.

  60. #203455
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:40 pm, BobJones-77 said:

    McCain-Feingold, shamnesty for illegal immigrants, gang of 14, questionable mental stability, buds with Teddy the Swimmer, and he screwed around on his wife.

    Typical lying RINO SOS IMHO.

  61. #203456
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:40 pm, ajmontana said:

    Go Fred!!!
    Hopefully Rick, Fred will give us the opportunity.

  62. #203458
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:41 pm, gollumclone said:

    The New Hampshire center right Union Leader newspaper certainly doesn’t agree with the sentiments expressed on this thread. It is like they see McCain through a different prism. “McCain- a man of integrity and conviction,a man who won’t sell them out, a man who won’t break his promises and who won’t lie to get elected.” Check it out at http://www.captainsquartersblog.com
    I tend to believe that Fred Thompson may well make the best President, but can’t always get what you want, you get what you need?
    If the evangelical right sits election out because their boy Huckabee isn’t the standard bearer, there’s no way I see GOP succeeding in ‘08.
    Not that I want it, but I wonder what impact a successful terror attack might have before conventions? I’d surmise it would play to Hillary on the left and Guliani on the right. Although I’m sure the far left would blame it on Bush.

  63. #203459
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:41 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    Well, from the looks of it, McCain’s got some support. The poll (which I did not participate in because I don’t really care) shows that even on this aggressively anti-McCain site 59% of people said they WOULD vote for McCain.

    Also, in the national polls on RCP, McCain leads Hillary by almost 5%, while Rudy (the only man who can beat Hillary) is behind her by 2%.

    Republicans tend to pick the ‘next in line’. That’s how Bush I got picked, that’s how Dole got picked, that’s how Bush II got picked, and that’s how McCain is going to get picked.

    This is not an endorsement. I don’t like any of them from any party (including Ron Paul).

  64. #203463
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:45 pm, conservativesRus said:

    I don’t see the evangelical vote lock step with Huckabee. Maybe some – but I’d venture a smaller rather than larger percentage.

  65. #203464
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:48 pm, obdurate said:

    McCain is a RINO, pure and simple, the people in Arizona want to recall him. He cant defeat the Piaps.

  66. #203465
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:48 pm, Gregor said:

    gandolphxx said:

    To those who just cannot imagine voting for McCain, Hillary thanks you and she assures you that her first year will make your nightmares seem trivial.

    Hillary … you’re welcome. And if so-called “conservatives” decide to elect Huckabee to represent us … I’ll make it my mission to assist Hillary in beating him. Conservatives apparently need to be slapped in the face and knocked down a well before they remember what we’re supposed to represent.

    John McCain, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, or Mike Huckabee will NOT be getting my vote and I don’t care who they’re running against. If you want to win the election then vote for Fred Thompson. He’s the ONLY candidate that almost all conservatives can rally around, and almost all independents would surely vote Thompson over Her Thighness. Otherwise, a huge chunk of voters will be choosing to find something else to do on election day.

    Personally, i think he has figured out the immigration thing – should be a tad better listener now.

    Really? I’ve heard him say he “got the message” but that didn’t stop him from attempting to IGNORE the message! John McCain “got the message” that was clearly sent by 80% of the U.S. population … and then IGNORED US.

    If you believe John McCain is going to enforce immigration laws and/or build a wall, I’m pretty sure you believe Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman.

  67. #203466
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:52 pm, Alphonse said:

    We must not forget his loyal service to his country, Mexico. His old man was a prize, too, being part of the USS Liberty cover up. Runs in the family.

  68. #203471
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:57 pm, Dandapani said:

    The worst “R” is better than the best “D”. Holding my nose…

  69. #203474
    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:59 pm, normsrevenge said:

    a Rino is better than a democRat

    I hear that a lot out here in California.. a lot of good it has done for anyone here except those in their good graces.. what better way to turn the base off than embrace another Rino. you won’t hear the dems or the media complaining.

    let’s hope we don’t have to make that call next November. or watch for a depressed turn-out

  70. #203476
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:01 pm, gollumclone said:

    I see that by a vote of 142 to 1 (USA opposing), we taxpayers will cough up about 1/4 of UN’s new $4.2 BILLION budget. So- is there any candidate who opposes this rip-off? If McCain is so fiscally conservative, where then does he stand on US sovereignty? I know he seems to worship at the Goracle and we know that means Americans standard of living must fall to help out the 3rd world through income redistribution. We need to watch what energy we use as 300 million people and not worry that China and India can do whatever they wish in interest of growth. What bullspit!

  71. #203479
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:03 pm, conservativesRus said:

    A RINO is not better than a dem. If they vote for and support the same stuff – how is it better?

  72. #203481
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:04 pm, purplepeep said:

    What Republicans should be doing is making illegals/amnesty the “litmus test” – from what I can tell a candidate who gets that right gets other important issues right. Plus, it’s a winning issue with the general public for the GOP – but the party doesn’t seem to realize that yet!

    HYTEAndy said:
    No Ron Paul answer in your quiz?!? You’re stifling his support! Fascism awaits! /sarc

    Every poll/quiz should have “Ron Paul” as an option, no matter the topic; Coke or Pepsi? Chocolate or vanilla? Ginger or Mary Ann? Or – Ron Paul?

    It’s fun to watch the Paulnuts go click-crazy voting for the lunatic of their choice! :)

  73. #203483
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:06 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    This is all moot. He will not get the nod. It is a sad day when people would suggest staying home and, then, Shill got a win. Who then to blame? I would never tell someone who they should vote for but I would beg them not to stay home and complain later. If they did the first words out of my mouth would be STHU.

  74. #203484
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:06 pm, countrybumpkin said:

    No! I won’t vote for John McCain.
    The Communists washed out his brain
    And left the poor guy half insane.

    One day (when he forgot his pill)
    He teamed with Fiengold for a Bill.

    And then again with Kennedy
    He tried to pull off amnesty.

    No, John McCain is not for me.
    But neither is Mike Huckabee.

  75. #203485
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:07 pm, Gregor said:

    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:41 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    Well, from the looks of it, McCain’s got some support. The poll (which I did not participate in because I don’t really care) shows that even on this aggressively anti-McCain site 59% of people said they WOULD vote for McCain.

    You’re reading the poll wrong. What’s important to look at is the combination of the different “no” votes. Combine the “no” votes and you’ll find that between 45% and 50% of CONSERVATIVE voters will NOT vote for McCain if he wins the nomination. With those numbers, I think you’ll agree that nominating McCain will end with a Hillary Presidency.

    Be smart. Vote for the candidate almost all of us can be motivated to vote for.

    Fred Thompson.

  76. #203489
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:15 pm, conservativesRus said:

    I’m not sure when I was in school I had Ron Paul as any answer on any multiple choice exams.

    Maybe it needs to be one of the choices on the SAT or ACT tests? Maybe the GMAT? LSAT? MCAT?

  77. #203490
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:17 pm, twoninerkilo said:

    If McCain is nomonee I’ll stay home; no more RINOS, that’s it.

  78. #203491
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:20 pm, Gregor said:

    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:06 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I would beg them not to stay home and complain later. If they did the first words out of my mouth would be STHU.

    That’s an ironic statement, especially being that we’ve spent the last several years listening to fellow conservatives scream and whine non-stop about the GOP being taken over by RINOS. It’s interesting seeing the same people now saying that we should purposely nominate one of the four worst RINOS in history to represent our Party, and you all don’t see it. Not only do we have conservatives actually supporting these morons in the primary, but we have conservatives telling us that we should reward them by electing them President.

    Cough.

    If you’re so worried about having to hear all the complaints, then vote for the only true conservative in the race.

    If not, then please don’t ever come back to this blog and complain about our Party moving to the left. I don’t ever want to see any Giuliani, Huckabee, McCain, or Romney supporters on here whining about illegal aliens, abortion, tax hikes, or loss of gun rights.

    At this point, it’s absolutely impossible for any of you to later pretend you weren’t aware of their past records. You’re simply choosing to ignore it.

  79. #203493
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:35 pm, gollumclone said:

    Regarding Ron Paul “winning” lots of polls: it was amusing that he “won” the vote over at little green footballs. The actual question was who would you NOT vote for for Prez? One wonders just how many Paulbots clicked on Paul without understanding the query.

    I’m interested in the Veep selection also. Been a long time since a Prez died in office. Wasn’t there a supposed every 20 year assassination curse?
    There is some conjecture that Hillary wants Bob Kerrey as her running mate, with Webb and Wesley Clark other possibles as so-called strong on national defense dem short list. Some say Richardson covets the spot.

    Have no idea who might be potential GOP veep. I think egos will play a role on who would want to play 2nd fiddle.

  80. #203494
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:39 pm, John Ansell said:

    McCant is toast. His campaign laws kept my guy from running. My wish would be that Newt GIngrich changes his mind and jumps in. I can’t vote for McSlain or Julie Annie under any cercumstance.

  81. #203495
    On December 26th, 2007 at 5:41 pm, conservativesRus said:

    Wes Clark strong on defense? Ummm…strong as John Kerry?

  82. #203502
    On December 26th, 2007 at 6:02 pm, ajmontana said:

    The plain diregard for Fred Thompson today on FOX news is just wearing on my respect for that “fair and Balanced” network. Fred is all over Iowa right now and they’re coverage of it is non existent, all HuckFinn,RompneyRoom, Scaryillary & mc plain for the most part all being force fed down viewers throats with so called experts paying way to much attention to these lame polls.

  83. #203503
    On December 26th, 2007 at 6:08 pm, dcrussell said:

    McCain’s actions, and often his words, have made it very clear that he does not believe in most of the Bill of Rights, or in local self-government. He perjures himself every time he takes the oath of office. He scares me more than Ms. Clinton does.

  84. #203504
    On December 26th, 2007 at 6:11 pm, Rational Thought said:

    Based on his voting record, McCain’s something of a Huckabee, without the God Squad. Since I can’t stand the God Squad (a bunch of lying, cheating, greedy, phony hypocrites), I’d hold my nose and vote for McCain before I’d ever vote for Huckabee. Huckabee is the only candidate who could throw me into the arms of Hillary, which, incidentally, is why the MSM loves him.

    Oh, and despite his liberal leanings, I do believe McCain loves this country as I do (I do not believe this about any on the dem side), and he served it in the most heroic way during Vietnam. He also seems to believe Islamo-fascism is a grave threat, as I do. What do you all think his Supreme Court picks would look like?

  85. #203512
    On December 26th, 2007 at 6:27 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    On December 26th, 2007 at 4:07 pm, Rick Moran said:
    I am sick to death of being asked to vote for someone just because he’s better than a dem.

    With all due respect Rick, it’s a little more complicated and the odds a little greater this time around. The Dems have never been so unapologetically far-left as they are today. It’s more than just voting for a Repub you may be unenthusastic about just to keep a Dem off the Rose Garden. You are blocking a fundamental and drastic shift in our socio-political fabric. You’re keeping the Reids and the Pelosis from having everything they want in the furthest left agenda imaginable from happening. You’re keeping the mainstream media from seeing it’s ultra-socialist-Eurotrash model from becoming the way of life in the United States. This is no exaggeration. This is no hyperbole and it’s certainly no joke. This is it. This is the time and this is the place. You either stop the ultra-left congress by putting in someone who would like to stay in office another 4 years – and that means appealing to the base – or you get 60% tax rates on the wealthiest 90 percent of Americans, socialized medicine – so we wind up like Canada (only with no US to run to in an emergancy), sex ed and condoms for 3rd graders in inner cities and 6th grade everywhere else…. you know the drill.

    We all want Reagan back. We all want that tireless, sentimental and tough-as-nails champion back in the White House – especially now. But idealism is a great way to give your opponents 100% of everything you might otherwise have. Wanting someone as good as Reagan or not voting is like wanting to have it all -everything – or not participating and it just doesn’t work that way as you know.

    We’ll all have to bite the bullet. Or somehow, some way – impossibly – think up some very good excuses when our kids grow up and ask us, “why didn’t you help me back then when you had the chance.”

    No joke. No spin. Just unhappy reality. So the time has come to just suck it in and vote for the guy who beats Hillary. Take idealism out of the picture and it all gets very simple.

  86. #203515
    On December 26th, 2007 at 6:44 pm, 2spothipshot said:

    Waterboarding! Waterboarding! Come o-o-o-o-n waterboarding!
    (I just can’t resist the irony of associating, so called, torture with the guy that can’t wait to nominate people to the S.C.O.T.U.S. who will confer every privelidge of the Bill of Rights to the scum that doesn’t even rate consideration by the conventions of Geneva -according to it’s own definition. I’d never vote for Mrs. C, but this Repub would stay home if his only choice was old John “Bring me your illegal, your criminal and your otherwise undesireable” McCain. Here’s to common sense winning out over that Kennedy in a GOPs clothing.)

  87. #203516
    On December 26th, 2007 at 6:48 pm, a crapweasel said:

    I’d never vote for the McCain/Dread Kennedy ticket.

  88. #203518
    On December 26th, 2007 at 6:48 pm, Gregor said:

    On December 26th, 2007 at 6:27 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    The Dems Republicans have never been so unapologetically far-left as they are today. It’s more than just voting for a Dem Lib you may be unenthusastic about just to keep a Dem Rino off the Rose Garden. You are blocking a fundamental and drastic shift in our socio-political fabric. You’re keeping the Reids Giulianis and the Pelosis Huckabees from having everything they want in the furthest left agenda imaginable from happening.

    There! Fixed it for you.

  89. #203519
    On December 26th, 2007 at 6:51 pm, bit_boy said:

    RadioJoe # 56, my grammar and spelling are just fine but you need some lessons in reading for comprehension.

  90. #203524
    On December 26th, 2007 at 7:08 pm, Mookie said:

    Will everyone turn on Fred if he ends up leaving the race and endorsing McCain?

  91. #203526
    On December 26th, 2007 at 7:18 pm, 2spothipshot said:

    On December 26th, 2007 at 7:08 pm, Mookie said:
    Will everyone turn on Fred if he ends up leaving the race and endorsing McCain?

    You can count me in, er, out, I mean, screw ‘em both if that happens. Come on folks, Reagan was a patriot and an actor, IN THAT ORDER. Thompson is clearly an actor first. Trust your gut (or at least trust mine), he aint for real.

  92. #203527
    On December 26th, 2007 at 7:20 pm, fred5676 said:

    What a weasel! All he has done is to re-arrange the deckchairs of his policy and beliefs on amnesty, just enough to sound a little better to his audience. Nothing has changed except the SEQUENCE: secure the border first, THEN amnesty.

    These days, when questions about immigration are asked, McCain says he “got the message.”

    “The message is the American people want the border secured,” McCain told the woman who asked him at the event in Weare, N.H., about his stand on “illegal aliens.”
    ……
    “I will secure the border and I would have the border state governors certify that their border are secure,” he said, “Then, we would move onto other issues,” such as what to do about those illegal immigrants already in the country.
    ….
    He hasn’t exactly renounced the bill he championed in the spring, but he has fine-tuned his position and changed the emphasis to assure the skeptics and critics — and there are many — that dealing with the fate of those already in the country only occurs after the borders are secured.

    “I still believe we have to have a temporary worker program that works and addresses the issues of the 12 million people that are here illegally,” McCain said in Weare, racing through this part of his answer in much the same way announcers do with the disclaimers at the end of pharmaceutical commercials.

  93. #203532
    On December 26th, 2007 at 7:27 pm, Rodent said:

    Waterboarding.
    If pouring a few drops up water up my nose will prevent McCain from even getting the nomination, then let’s do it now.
    If he gets it, (please, NO!) then I don’t know, maybe sit it out, maybe some third party, maybe just bite the ballot and hope he really is better than the dems.

  94. #203536
    On December 26th, 2007 at 7:36 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    If he’s saying that he wants to put illegals here on a temporary worker program, that’s a different stance, and it is something that I would support after they built the fence.

    As long as they are not trying to become citizens for government handouts at some point of their lives, I have no problem with them coming here to fill available jobs that they can do on a TEMPORARY work visa.

    The problem with illegals is the cost of the illegals. The costs to schools, police, hospitals, Medicare, Medicaid, and social security. If these people become citizens, they get all of these programs that are going broke with just the legal people on them.

    Whether or not he’s telling the truth is another story. But all of the R’s are just as bad, so it’s not like there’s a good choice to pick from.

    Thompson maybe, but his organization is crap, and he doesn’t campaign well on a national level. McCain campaigns well. . . and he beats Hillary.

  95. #203539
    On December 26th, 2007 at 7:38 pm, Ali-Bubba said:

    America was strong enough to survive 8 years of Clinton. I’d rather take my chances with another 4 years of Clinton, rather than to see the GOP continue wandering the wilderness with an unconservative president as its de-facto “leader.”

    Bush is not a conservative, and remember that in 2000, we rejected McCain as even less conservative than Bush. Ergo, electing McCain president would be a step in the wrong direction.

  96. #203544
    On December 26th, 2007 at 7:46 pm, Speakup said:

    The governance difference between St John the Rio Grand baptist and Hill, the socialist closet communist, is negligible.

    Hey how bout, if I volunteer to be water boarded if St John will withdraw.

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