Benazir Bhutto assassinated
Update Dec. 28, 10:30am. Bhutto buried.
Update 3:20pm. Photos of Bhutto’s coffin leaving a Rawalpindi hospital.
Update 2:30pm. Tough talk and a reality check from Andy McCarthy…
A recent CNN poll showed that 46 percent of Pakistanis approve of Osama bin Laden. Aspirants to the American presidency should hope to score so highly in the United States. In Pakistan, though, the al-Qaeda emir easily beat out that country’s current president, Pervez Musharraf, who polled at 38 percent.
President George Bush, the face of a campaign to bring democracy — or, at least, some form of sharia-lite that might pass for democracy — to the Islamic world, registered nine percent. Nine!
If you want to know what to make of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto’s murder today in Pakistan, ponder that.
There is the Pakistan of our fantasy. The burgeoning democracy in whose vanguard are judges and lawyers and human rights activists using the “rule of law” as a cudgel to bring down a military junta. In the fantasy, Bhutto, an attractive, American-educated socialist whose prominent family made common cause with Soviets and whose tenures were rife with corruption, was somehow the second coming of James Madison.
Then there is the real Pakistan: an enemy of the United States and the West.
Update: Video - President Bush condemns the murder.
Rather than blather about bringing the killers to “justice,” Wretchard at the Belmont Club asks what died with Bhutto:
Political murder kills not only the candidates, but the process to which they belong. Pakistani politics might not miss Benazir Bhutto as an individual, but it will surely want for the elections in general.
Elections have rarely been able in and of themselves to bring about stable democratic rule. Normally things are the other way round. It is the existence of the elements of democracy that have brought elections into existence. Whether those elements now exist in Pakistan is the question…The next few days will show whether the Pakistani Army — for it will surely not be the Taliban — can rededicate itself to electoral democracy. Pakistan needs its George Washington. Unfortunately it only has its Pervez Musharraf.
Update 10:48am: Naturally, the tinfoil hatters on the Left are out in full force.
Update 10:15am: The US presidential candidates are all angling to look presidential in the aftermath of the assassination. Mitt Romney gave a brief statement televised on Fox, condemning “global, violent, radical jihadism.” Huckabee and McCain have issued statements. So has Giuliani: “The assassination of Benazir Bhutto is a tragic event for Pakistan and for democracy in Pakistan,” he said in a statement. “Her murderers must be brought to justice and Pakistan must continue the path back to democracy and the rule of law. Her death is a reminder that terrorism anywhere — whether in New York, London, Tel-Aviv, or Rawalpindi — is an enemy of freedom. We must redouble our efforts to win the terrorists’ war on us.”
President Bush is scheduled to make a statement sometime in the hour.
Update: DAWN has constant updates. Police have fired tear gas on protesters in Peshawar.
Update: One report says al Qaeda is claiming credit…
A spokesperson for the al-Qaeda terrorist network has claimed responsibility for the death on Thursday of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto.
“We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahadeen,” Al-Qaeda’s commander and main spokesperson Mustafa Abu Al-Yazid told Adnkronos International (AKI) in a phone call from an unknown location, speaking in faltering English. Al-Yazid is the main al-Qaeda commander in Afghanistan.
It is believed that the decision to kill Bhutto, who is the leader of the opposition Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), was made by al-Qaeda No. 2, the Egyptian doctor, Ayman al-Zawahiri in October.
Death squads were allegedly constituted for the mission and ultimately one cell comprising a defunct Lashkar-i-Jhangvi’s Punjabi volunteer succeeded in killing Bhutto.
Update: Allah points to graphic photos and video of the assassination scene, including this one taken just seconds before she was shot as she stands in an open vehicle campaigning. More here.
And here’s a rundown from October of some of Bhutto’s enemies:
• Taliban fighters and other Islamic extremists who resent a woman who wants to keep religion out of government and who supports the U.S. war on terror. Bhutto inflamed the militants recently when she said she might allow U.S. forces onto Pakistani soil to hunt Taliban and al-Qaeda forces hiding along the rugged Afghan-Pakistani border. The Taliban threatened to greet her with suicide bombers — but denied responsibility for the bloodshed in Karachi.
• Militant supporters of her estranged brother Murtaza, who was gunned down by police in 1996 during Benazir’s second term as prime minister. Murtaza had emerged as a key critic of her regime and head of an armed left-wing Peoples Party splinter group. “He had die-hard supporters who blame her for his death,” Sehgal says.
• Members of the military establishment who undermined her two governments and who three decades ago overthrew and executed her father, the charismatic Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.
More on Bhutto’s enemies.
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They tried and failed when she returned to Pakistan in October. They tried and failed with a baby suicide bomber. Yesterday, they stopped a 15-year-old with a bomb packed full of nails trying to kill her. Today, they succeeded. Dammit, dammit, dammit:
Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a suicide bombing that also killed at least 20 others at a campaign rally, a party aide and a military official said.
“At 6:16 p.m. she expired,” said Wasif Ali Khan, a member of Bhutto’s party who was at Rawalpindi General Hospital where she was taken after the attack.
A senior military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment, confirmed that Bhutto had died.
Her supporters at the hospital began chanting “Dog, Musharraf, dog,” referring to Pakistan’s president Pervez Musharraf. Some of them smashed the glass door at the main entrance of the emergency unit, others burst into tears.
Some reports say Bhutto appeared to have been shot–suffering bullet wounds to the neck or head.
According to a Fox News correspondent in Pakistan, the shots were fired immediately before the blast.
Residents of Bhutto’s hometown have gone on a “rampage.”
Now: WWMD?
What will Musharraf do?
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We now must look squarely at the facts on the ground and reevaluate or options. We inserted ourselves into that part of the world out of self-defense in response to 9/11. We deferred to Musharraf on the matter of hot pursuit. Do we know where Pakistan’s nukes are stored? With that country sliding into civil war, doesn’t hot pursuit of AQ and the Taliban become a necessity rather than an option?
Bhutto’s record notwithstanding, AQ assassinated a world leader for the purpose of creating chaos and undermining democracy in a nuclear-armed state. How many *more* reasons do we need to commit ourselves to AQ’s extermination? This isn’t rocket science.
#96 - Laree
Agreed. Those autonomous western border regions are clearly the host to these Islamofacist parasites.
Agreed. Bhutto’s death removes an immediate obstacle to Musharraf’s remaining in power.
I just think he’s in over his head, and can’t get enough allies in his own government to deal with the problem.
Yeah, I totally agree. But after 9/11, we decided to hitch our wagon to the country that provided most of the hijackers and a country where the people identify with the Taliban and al-Queda. Instead, we decide to invade a country with no ties to either.
How is that an unfair criticism?
Depending on a corrupt government like Pakistan was an error. Terrorists are coddled there and the people see our perceived meddling in their affairs and they identify with extremists.
It’s been a disaster and this assassination doesn’t make things any better.
#104
On December 27th, 2007 at 1:06 pm, Rusty said:
“Depending on a corrupt government like Pakistan was an error. Terrorists are coddled there and the people see our perceived meddling in their affairs and they identify with extremists.
It’s been a disaster and this assassination doesn’t make things any better.”
OK, then…What do YOU recommend the U.S. should do NOW? (Sorry, I don’t have italicizing and boldfacing capability.)
J.S Ragman,
If Bhutto was our plan A then we need to find out what plan B is?
The mantra in the MSM is that we cannot follow the Taliban or Alqaeda into Pakistan. The enemy is in Pakistan, obviously they can operate and attack at will. Musharraf is playing the odds if he is smart, he won’t be playing against the odds, the US won’t strike inside of Pakistan.
At the risk of sounding politically INcorrect…
You think you can escape the inevitable?
Let’s skip the formalities…
Islam is the problem…A liberal application of E=MC² is the solution.
“salivate” that, mpandt
Rusty,
Way back to the first gulf war, when we ran Saddam out of Kuwait, he called on terrorist all over the world to attack the US and any of our interest all over the World. Saddam paid sucide bombers families 25 thousand dollars everytime they blew up Israelis.
The people who attacked us on 9-11 were Sunnis we took out the Sunni Strongman “Saddam” since then Saudi Arabia has had to worry about the Persians-Iranians dominating the Middle East. The blance of power in the region has shifted away from Sunni to Shia…THE SUNNIS attacked us.
Those of you talking about the Crusades please go look up the Battle of Tours first……The Crusades were payback!
Wow Debbie. Why didn’t you just off her yourself?
Ladies and gentlemen…I GIVE YOU….THE RELIGION OF PEACE!!!! And just two dats after one of the holiest days on the Christian calendar that marks and represents peace, goodwill and everything else that AQ and the brand of Islam it brings to the world opposes.
Is there a single person ANYWHERE that can honestly say they are surprised by anything other than that it took them so long?
Oh, that’s right…this is just a “bumbper-sticker war”, right? This is all just made up by Bush and Cheney and all the other evil Neo-Cons in the Skull and Bones Evil Laboratory one night under a Full Moon with the lightning cracking over head. It was how the New World Order was going to take over the world, make it all up to get the world oil supplies, get into Iraq and all that other crap these conspiricy nut jobs spew and all the trolls on here talk about as the end all/be all to back up their arguments about…well anything.
Well just to have to describe the candidates as having to “seem Presidential” when speaking about this incident should speak volumnes to each and every one of you. If the person has to “appear” Presidential, then you just plain should not vote for them. If there is one person, one candidate who has stepped forward and demonstrated the cajones’ that it takes, to stand up to the media, the Liberals and the Islamic Jihadists and took this straight to them, then that should be your man. Don’t go for the act, go for the substance.
These images you are seeing in these bombings are not that far away. Ask anyone else here who has taken anti-terrorism classes…the cops, the firemen, the National Guard. Irag is a training ground for what will come here kids. Mark my words. Victory there does not mean an end to the WOT. This little firecracker going off in Pakistan today should make that very clear. Killing or catching UBL and ZAWAHIRI will not end it either, which is why Bush said he is not worried about them…and rightly so, It is the religion itself, not a few of it’s leaders, that one must worry about and deal with…and until the entire world finally understands this and deals with, reckons with and wins this in a final and complete way….there is no telling what will happen…nuth there are several prophesies from different sources that give soe ideas.
After 9/11 “we” did not decide to “hitch our wagon” to anything or anybody.
We had been allied with the Saudis long, long before 9/11. Since the days of the early twentieth century when Abdul Aziz Al Saud, forcefully united the various emirates of the Arabian Peninsula into a kingdom he named Saudia. Then developed the oil fields with Standard Oil.
And stop with the tired and disproven leftwing propaganda rant about Saddam having no ties to Al Queda. There was a frickin’ Al Qaeda training camp in Northern Iraq, before 9/11. Not to forget, as Laree pointed out… They are all stinking Sunnis!!!
FYI Pakistan, is also a Sunni nation, and please show me one nation in the middle east which is not corrupt? Should we just not deal with any of them, because we are such superior beings?
- Debbie Schlussel - thanks, learn or re-learn something everyday.
Lots of good points and let me chime in on a few:
a) For once, Rusty does have some good points to consider and that he’s not acting like a troll (yeah!)
b) xler8-good issue, but a good book to check out is the “Politically Incorrect Guide to the Crusades” and its very well written and is pretty consistent with some of my neutral minded Pol Science profs.
c) RetFireman #111-As usual your insight is tack on, and keep it up!
d) Laree-good grasp of international issues and being able to see the diffrences between shite/sunni’s.
May Benzir Bhutto rest in peace, and those that are responsible face a military op simuliar to the Sword of Gideon!
GSP
I thought the war on terror was just a bumper sticker?
Her decision to hold huge public rallies was suicidal folly. Even if her motives were pure as the driven snow (Thanks Debbie for pointing out they were not) her very predictable death has now made an unstable situation much, much worse. Steve Gilbert hit the nail on the head when he said: “And now all of Pakistan and our troops in the Middle East will pay the price for her weird vanity.” Dont forget, WW1 began with an assasination.
The US is worried about a nuclear armed Iran? Why? Pakistan is one heartbeat away from delivering nuclear weapons into the waiting hands of Islamofacists. Thank the Gods that India is also nuclear armed and stands ready to defend herself!
Relay #112 - one small correction. Please show me one country anywhere w/o corruption.
While certainly not perfect, Prime Minister Bhutto was a real hope for security and stability in the region. Unfortunately, her death will serve to embolden the radical practitioners of the Religion of Peace™. My condolences and sympathies to the people of Pakistan. It is a sad day for peace and civilization.
My favorite passages from Andrew McCarthy great piece.. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTExNmE0MzY3YjBlYWEwZDkzOThkMWJiM2JmZGQ2NDE “For the United States, the question is whether we learn nothing from repeated, inescapable lessons that placing democratization at the top of our foreign policy priorities is high-order folly.” AND..”The transformation from Islamic society to true democracy is a long-term project. It would take decades if it can happen at all. Meanwhile, our obsessive insistence on popular referenda is naturally strengthening — and legitimizing — the people who are popular: the jihadists.”
Al Qaeda took her out for a reaso. She was a direct threat to their very existence in that country and in that area. Should she have won the position, which was very likely in an election, the United States would have been granted the right to take over military operations in the areas previously forbidden by Musharref. Thus, the safe houses, the little hamlets and villages, the caves and areas where Zawahirri and UBL and all the rest of the Good Time Fun Boys have been hiding out and making all their porn videos with their video facilities would no longer be able to operate with impugnity. She was a threat, pure and simple. This belief that she has impure motives may or may not be true, but the simple fact of the matter is, that AQ KNEW what she meant to their very existance in the area and the region. The United States military and State Department knew what she meant to IT’S existance in the area and region. She was worth more to the War on Islamic Global jihad and Aggression and Global Domination than anyone publically was made aware. While Musharrref is a valuable ally, there is a great deal more he should and could be doing for us, but we are basically taking what we can get, and we know it.
As for the nukes, that is obviously a huge concern. However, these are not things that someone can just go in and get with a car and throw. they are a bit more complicated than that. The paranoia that people are showing is a bit silly. The paranoia should be towards who they get in power in that country, and not for some rogue nut job stumbling across a nuke and running out of the building with it. The Pakistanis are not advanced enough to carry “back[ack” nukes like what are missing in the former Soviet Bloc countries. If AQ wanted one of those…they already have them, and there are rumors that there is at least one cell already in this country that has one ready to be used once given the word.
As far as WWI being started with an assassination, while that was true, and possibly started by an ethnic Muslim at that, there was a great deal more politics involved which started that war, and not simply the assassination of Ferdinand. A bit more understanding of history must be needed before asserting such things. Besides, in case you hadn’t noticed, we have been in the midst of a World War for approximately six some years now anyway, soooooo….
This is allegedly an Al Qaeda strike. The big question here now is..what is going to be done about it? Will Pakistan stop playing games? Will air strikes be permitted in the formerly “off limis” areas? Will American Forces be permitted into the country now? Will Musharref stop playing games and finally see the seriousness of this issue? Will the people of that country see that they are not immune from the evils of that organization merely because they occasionally hold “Death to America” rallys as well?
And the bigger question, will the Liberals in this country ever stop, finally grow up and wake up and see Islam for what it is, see this war and the realities of what it is, that it has nothing to do with Bush, with oil, with the United States, per se, and that is has everything to do with an “Us vs. Them” mentality in that they look at it as it is an Islamic vs. everyone else on the planet who has not given themselves over to THEIR VERSION OF ISLAM! THEY WILL KILL ALL DISBELIEVERS OF THEIR VERSION OF ISLAM!
Sadly, no…and unflrtunatley it will take something of truly nightmareish proportions to finally sway these mental midgets to this truth…and I just don’t want to be around to see or know what that nightmare event is going to be.
Just received our local “newspaper”. it goes to print at 11:00am eastern. I guess the Bhutto story isn’t all that important; there’s a 1/2 column about it on page 2. The main headline is about methods to shorten labor during childbirth. It’s good to know what our local editors consider “news”.
Sorry, Deb, but you’re off base on this one. She was no friend of the Taliban or Al Qadea, and they hated her for that. Musarraf on the other hand, has both terrorist groups running amok in his government and his country. He is no friend of the U.S. At least Bhutto was willing to take them on and bring some much needed change.
#120
Call them Jihadist if you want
the Taliban are drug dealers. Two agents of the UN and EU were just expelled from Afghanistan, caught trying to make deals with the Taliban in the South? They say it was a mis understanding. I have to think that President Hamid Karzai’s Uncle Sam, knows who the actors are inside of Afghanistan, the good and the bad. So do I take the word of the UN who presided over Oil for Food or Karzai? Karzai who has been stating the samething for years now, that Pakistan is not helping and is harboring Taliban and Alqaeda. Did Afghanistan just flush some bad actors of the UN and EU? I would have to be naive to believe our CIA isn’t operating inside of Afghanistan including the southern provinces.
Eradicating Poppies should be our priority in Afghanistan. The reason the Taliban and Alqaeda can operate is because of the drug trade the revenue it provides them.
I wonder what alternatives Musharraf has left himself, everytime these incidences happen, Pakistan becomes more unstable.
You sure you are not:
DavefromVero? Sure sounds like our mullet wrapper!
I have no idea. I suppose cutting off or limiting foreign aid to Pakistan should be on the table.
This is incredibly simple-minded. That’s like saying the Baptists attacked us after the OKC bombing.
We were attacked by fundamentalist Islamic terrorists. Whether they are Shia or Sunni is of little distinction to me. The power shifting from Sunni to Shia is not a good thing. Iran’s version of Islam is the most frightening.
There were no easy answers for fighting the “War on Terror.” There’s no shame in admitting that hitching our wagon to Pakistan and sending them so much aid may have been an error. They’re just another America-hating dictatorship that, for some reason, gets our support.
For a balanced account of Bhutto, who clearly had a lot of negatives yet was also a person of great physical courage, see Christopher Hitchen’s take: http://www.slate.com/id/2180952/
Also, Mark Steyn has posted a thoughtful comment on http://www.steynonline.com.
I’m just curious as to whether a woman’s opinion counted half as much as a man’s, since that seems to be how they count things in muslim countries.
Rusty
Saudi Arabia forgave 80 million in debt to Iraq a govenment, now run by a majority of Shia. How did we get a Sunni country to do that? Simple minded? Saudi Arabia doesn’t want Iran to be the power in the Region. Iran Persians - Shia.
The majority of the highjackers who attacked us were Saudis as in Sunnis, Saddam was the Sunni Strong man, The Sunnis were the power in the Region now they are NOT! They are not playing offense anymore - flying planes into our Buildings, now they are on Defense- they don’t want Iran - Shai to be the Power in the Region. In fact I believe if Israel were to hit Iran’s Nuke sites, you wouldn’t hear a peep out of Saudi Arabia.
The balance of Power has shifted from Sunni to Shia in the Middle East that wasn’t an accident. The Palestinians are of Arab descent, this is why Saudi Arabia would hold charity telethons for them. They are TRIBAL not NATIONALISTIC. If you listen, they make statements like, No War without Egypt No Peace without Syria. They don’t see themselves as seperated
Rusty,
They are not Western, you are applying “Baptist” for an example, like it is equal to a sect of Islam. They are tribal, they have a honor system culture, they are not Western, I don’t apply Western behavior to people who have nothing in common with Westerners.
Rusty
Saddam was paying Sucide bombers familys 25,000 dollars. Saddam was aware that the sucide bombers were Sunnis like himself, and their descent “Arab” They are all interconnected. Saudi Arabia stated before we invaded Iraq, that they didn’t believe we would because they thought our military was under strength. The Saudis underestimated George W Bush, and they have stated if we leave Iraq, they will fund the Sunnis inside Iraq when Civil War breaks out, between the Sunnis and Shia.
The people who flew planes into our Buildings on 9-11 were majority Saudis- all Sunnis. If there is anyone who can deal with these people it is oil men from Texas.
I see people here lamenting about Bhutto…save your tears. Make no mistake, Bhutto was no friend of the West, or America. She supported the Taliban regime in 1996, thinking that it would bring stability to the Central Asian region. She has only recently decried the Taliban, because it made her look good. She was another politician, plain and simple.
The way I see it, Musharraf was right: The region needed marital law, because right now, it is way too unstable. Now, there’s civil unrest and civil war is looming. Pakistan has nukes. India is getting twitchy. And now I get to end my vacation early and go back to work. Merry effin’ Christmas, yall.
The power shifting to Shia is a good thing, when contained Iran is going to be a counter balance to wouldbe Sunni domination of the Region. The tension a balance btw Sunni and Shia. Ying and Yang. If they are busy in their own region, with concerns about who is going to have the Power hold sway the way Saddam used to, in their Region. They won’t be plotting about flying planes into our Country’s buildings and killing Americans.
“A recent CNN poll showed that 46 percent of Pakistanis approve of Osama bin Laden. Aspirants to the American presidency should hope to score so highly in the United States. In Pakistan, though, the al-Qaeda emir easily beat out that country’s current president, Pervez Musharraf, who polled at 38 percent.”
Polls?
Let me see the questions.
I thought we all moved beyond polls?
So it’s ok for Musharraf to let Taliban and al Qaeda moles thrive in his Intelligence Service and operate terrorist camps throughout his country, not to mention the fact that BIN LADEN is hiding there as well.
Yeah, Merry effin’ X Mas to you too, pookie.
Fred Thompson got it right. This war is a clash of civilizations - and the future is up for grabs. The West has the weapons but not the will.
Interesting times ahead. If Pakistan slips into chaos, unrest will spread to India. At the other end of the band, Turkey has seemed a bit shaky and vulnerable recently. Meanwhile to the north there are a bunch of little known, somewhat Muslim countries that aren’t being held down by the Soviet Union anymore.
The Assassins’ War has already begun.
This above is well said and most accurate. Meanwhile, the politically correct head in the sand liberals who haven’t the vaguest sense of reality will pound on like Jimmy Carter did with Iran in the 1970s.
Why is Hucklebee apologizing
the Multi-culturalists and the Politically Correct are about to come home to realize all the horrible, horrible damage they have caused this country and indeed the entire world over the course of the last 40 or so years in the area of global politics. While they may have ended work place sexual harrassment that admittedly was out of control, there are just some things that Liberalism has no place being in, and this is it.
What i am hearing alot of, especially from the know-nothing Lefties that should just keep to their bridge cleaning, is a great deal of arm-chair Monday Quarter-backing. In the days following 9-11, the word went out that either you worked with us in the War Against islamic Global Domination and Aggression or we would bomb you farther into and past the Stone-Age than your people were already living. Pakistan was one of the first countries to step forward and assist us in our efforts to go into Afghanistan and has been there for us all this time, even though it has continually meant death threats and attempts on Pervez’s life on numerous occassions, has lead to the current issues in his country and will eventually lead to his downfall. I’d say that is some pretty heavy bills to pay to support us in our time of need.
The biggest issue with this policy we have with Pakistan is all these rules these Stone-Age Muslims live with and all the Tribal Crap where we cannot go across their borders and get all the bad guys we know damn well are there. we know that the taliban is running the South, is running amock in the border areas with Al Qaeda and Pervez will not let us go, as the Tribes will not go for it and it will cost him his seat.
We were looking at someone who would win in this next election, who we went ahead and got in there, knowing full well that now she would more than likely be murdered by the very people you guys are claiming she supported because THEY HATE WOMEN ESPECIALLY WOMEN IN POWER, all because the guy who is our friend was trying to save his ass. If anything, it was US, the Liberals, the guys like OBAMA, who was threatening to bomb the crap out of Pakistan, who are the ungrateful SOB’s who cost this woman her life. She was the promise we had that would get us in those areas.
Now, we are going to hope, that Pervez will be scared out of his pants enough, that since this was an Al Qaeda attack, that apparently Zawahirri himself called for this attack, that Pervez is the one the people are blaming for it, that he will finally have had enough of this crap, will finally give the US Military the green light to go into the mountains, across the border in Afghanitan/Pakistan areas, and into the South and do whatever it takes, use whatever weapons that are necessary to wipe out each and every member of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, secure every Nuclear site with U.S. Military Police Guards at all launch facilities and storage sites until such time as the end of the election and this entire crisis calms down. End of story. If the Left and the Dems don’t like it, then let them come forward with something else, a detailed plan other than having us listen to them saying onemore gash damn time, ” We support the idea of Democracy…” like they even know what it is or what it takes to create it. Every one of them had the same damn thing to say like they all had the same writer. Pathetic.
Anyway, that, my friends, is the only way this is going to work and the only way this will end this “crisis” and get the taliban and AQ out of Pakistan using this crisis as a sling-shot.
Now, will Rice and Bush have the grapes to do it, is the question?
Musharraf is the best answer in the region to a wholly putrid question. Al-Qaeda had infected the ISI long before Musharraf came into power, and he is doing a decent job of outing them as they are found. However, there are two basic truths for the region: 1) Baksheesh is a way of life. Corruption in public officials is the rule, rather than the exception. 2) Not all the Pakistani people are against the Taliban, or AQ. Despite what the news says, Musharraf’s hold on power is tenuous, and he serves at the will of the people. If the majority of the Pakistani people wanted Musharraf out of office, he would be. These people know how to kill, and they are very good at it.
In hindsight, I realize my “Christmas wishes” could be misconstrued. No ill will meant towards anyone here. I’m in a foul mood because I was planning on spending until Tuesday with my newborn, and instead I get to go back to work, thanks to this “unpleasantness”. But, nonetheless, allow me to say wholeheartedly, Merry Christmas yall.
RetFireman ,
That’s the question if Bhutto was plan A what is plan B? We can’t come across the border because it will distablize Musharraf. I don’t put Musharraf’s tenuous hold on Power first. I don’t think Musharraf is indespensible, not as much as he is trying to sell us all on that point. If he died of natural causes tomorrow, what would happen to the Pakistan Goverment? We can’t put all our eggs into the Musharraf basket. I am pretty sure the Pentagon, has worked out a contingency plan, in the event that Musharraf Govt collapses, you know worse case scenario.
There might be a big enough backlash from this Assassination, that something will finally give, in that country. Who knows maybe one of those evil doers, will crawl out from under one of their rocks. Alot of pundits say it wouldn’t matter if we got the bad guys now, you know Grey beard 1 and 2. I don’t agree I think it would be demoralizing.
Merry Christmas Archon.
This shows the world how reasonable it is to establish an Islamic state in hopes that will calm down the radicals. India, from which it was born, is doing fine.
Independence for Pakistan achieved NOTHING. Appeasement never does.
There is nothing black and white about any country in the Middle East. Those countries that are supposed to be a friend to the U.S. all have a big part of their population hating us. We can’t trust any of them. The best we can hope for is a chance to have help on the war on terror from those who do realize that Al Quaeda is a cancer to their countries too. The world needs to kill this cancer before it destroys us all.
I do not understand the Islamic mindset. I find Islam to be a frightening, hate filled religion that doesn’t want peace with others. Furthermore, I can’t understand any person in their right mind practicing a religion that espouses the killing of anyone who doesn’t believe as they do.
Those who make light of Islam and the war on terror, do so at their peril. Let’s hope their stupidity doesn’t take us down with them.
A lesson the world should have never forgotten when idiots tried to appease Hitler. Liberals never seem to learn this lesson and time after time, the world is almost destroyed due to their insane stupidity. It always takes a catastrophe before people wake up to reality. Unfortunately, with the weapons we have today, we might not get a chance to repair big mistakes as we have in the past.
I am sad to see another murder in this world.
When you look at the picture of them holding the coffin, they all look alike. What they need is open borders so they can change their culture. I mean, it is only fair.
Lord have mercy, Christ have Mercy, Lord have Mercy.
to say that Pervez had her killed is perposterous. that is admitting that he had no clue what her death would mean to the destabilization of an already tenuous hold on his government. To sit and now bad mouth her after she has been slain by terrorists..the very terrorists we are hunting in the area, shows a serious misunderstanding of the crisis that her assassination has created.
the people in that country are now calling for Musharraf’s head on a pike. It is unlikely that he had anything at all to do with her killing. AQ had claimed it, stating that Zawahirri himself called in the hit. There were teams on the ground there ready to take the hit on a moments notice for weeks in advance as it was. Pervez needn’t have to do the killing whether he wanted to or not. It was only a matter of time before the group that she was a serious threat to would take her out. She was accessable in ways every terrorist dreamed of. While she had armed guards, she liked to press the flesh, and there just is no way anyone can protect her or any dignatary against a killer when they do that.
Whether she sided with the Taliban in the past is Moot. What the Taliban originally presented themselves as and what they became and what they did are separate things entirely. the Taliban had suckered damn near everyone in the world at some point when they first hit the scene, including the clintons, and the USA, getting us on board with what they were wanting to do in Afghanistan. It didn’t take long until their real goals and motives became clear and they became some of the most hated people on the planet and Super-Serial Killers and Serial Rapist etx., who needed to be erradicated from the planet. the Neo-Taliban makes the old Taliban look like a crude elementary school clique. So to say she supported them once, and now was against them just to get people to like her is just unfair, and is biased in a way that only someone with bias could come up with.
the fact is, her mere presense set things in that country in motion that can not turn back. This country and others that are fighting this War Against islamic Aggesion and Global Domination has been watching Pakistan with real interest, as what happens there in the next few weeks will make some real dents in this war and some real headway in the killings of the big honchos in the AQ movement.
While the slayings of the Mucky Mucks of AQ will be a moral victory for all, it will in no way end, or maybe even slow down what they are doing. UBL has obtained a “Queen of England” status within the mosement and really does nothing more than apear as a ghostly voice in movies and audios, just to let folks know he is around, and Zawahirri is the face more and more of the Happy Time Fun Club. Take them out and people will feel good, but the Liberals will want to stop, not thinking for a minute that the only ones not knowing that their deaths does not mean the game is over will be our enemies.
What happens in Pakistan in the next five days to ten days is very, very real and important and could mean the difference between killing more of the enemy and finding any hidden nukes or dirty bombs from Iran, or genocide and other mayhem and death on Biblical levels in various parts of the world, up to and inclding here at home
Be Ready.
This is wrong for one very important reason: polls showed Bhutto was going to win the election. So much for that assessment. As far as common cause with soviets and corruption, everything is relative, especially in the middle east where today we saw the beginning of what they would call “caucuses”.
An almost incomprehensibly brave woman died today, and made the ultimate sacrifice illustrating why, in fact, she was right in her words and actions.
RIP Prime Minister Bhutto. Your own fight is over. Sleep well.
One of her last statements was that a Muslim would never kill her because she is a woman and it says it in the Koran….I am going to guess the killer had a different version of that Koran…hmm.
I found her liberalism and “innocent” ideology to be a little off putting with the conditions in that region of the world….I mean the Religion of Peace has grown on steriods since she last was Prime Minister.
It is always sad when someone dies from these thugs but she did die doing what she loved.
More than a few voices are piping up claiming that Musharraf had the most to gain from Bhutto’s assassination. I do not think this was Musharraf’s work for two reasons. First, al-Qaeda and the other Jihadist organizations were long-time enemies of Bhutto’s and had declared they were going all out for her life many times. Second, Musharraf didn’t kill Nawaz Sharif when he overthrew him in a military coup. He exiled him, and in fact has allowed him back into Pakistan. Zia killed Bhutto’s father when he led his coup, so the tradition was for coup leaders to execute the preceding president. And yet Musharraf, given the easiest excuse in the world, did not execute Sharif. It doesn’t make sense that Musharraf would have had Bhutto killed now, when he didn’t kill a much more dangerous enemy when he led his coup.
Many pundits on Fox News today seemed determined to hold Musharraf accountable one way or another for this assassination - whether it was his secret forces on their own who didn’t like her, or whether there wasn’t enough security to keep her safe, or even to directly blame him as her competitor.
However, one nugget that got glazed over was that SHE had let Americans know SHE was more willing to introduce NATIO TROOPS to the areas where Al Qaeda needed stamping out than Musharraf was, himself.
That could NOT h ave gone over well in Pakistan - but was the first I have heard of THAT amount of cooperation between Bhutto and the rest of the outside world.
Across it all, many who blamed Musharraf said if America had any fault in it, it was in NOT PUSHING MUSHARRAF HARD ENOUGH fOR DEMOCRATIC REFORMS, long before NOW.
With the strength of Al Qaeda, and radical emirs of the area, that is tantamount to handing Pakistan to the Al Qaeda.
To hold elections before getting the overwhelming radical forces squashed down!
It isn’t good over there, and as usual, America is the blundering bull in the China Closet - or more like, the herd of rampaging elephants!
Good Lord, if American journalists and politicians had a clue, or a half a brain, between the stinking lot of them!
And how was anyone supposed to keep a woman safe when her one sure goal was to get out in the streets amongst a bunch of radicals, for the purpose of igniting them into political upheaval via riots, while insisting that “as a woman” the muslims wouldn’t DARE risk everlasting HELL to murder her!
How clueless does it have to get!
And I heard an American muslim pundit say that Al Qaeda doesn’t do political assassinations, just suicide bombings.
I thought, well, Bhutto may be the first political assassination for them - TODAY. But not THIS WEEK (Baghdad), or THIS YEAR!
Who are these folks trying to KID?
The simple fact of the matter is that the Liberals are still trying to BS the country that Islam is THE “Religion of Peace”, that this upheaval in the world is all Bush’s fault, that it is all about oil, that there is no such thing as Al Qaeda and it is all a CIA plot to get us into Iraq in order to get at the oil, and it is all just a bumper sticker war. They are trying to convince the world that 3000 American servicement gave their lives in taking over two countries, a veritable record on any scale, and it was all a waste of time and of human lives. They are still trying to claim that history started on 9-11-01, and that there was never any problems in the Arab or Muslim world before Bush decided to start his little entrance into the history books and then ignore the Liberalized polls and all the patchouli drenched puppet players and poster wavers when they chanted for his impeachment and compared him to Hitler and cried for te death of Israel and the success of Palestine without the foggiest idea about what they were talking about other than they were meeting a deep seeded anti-Semitic need of theirs to actually be the ones who most fit the descriptions of Hitler without knowing it.
These Liberals and Peace-nicks are still calling today for the US to turn to peace…as if we are the ones that have a choice. They are making it seem as if we started this war…as if we were to put down all our weapons right now, put the tanks in park, land all the fighters and bombers and other air craft and disband every single member of the military, that all of a sudden the entire world would suddenly become peaceful, and there would never again be a single, solitary war.
That is the insanity of the Peace-nicks. That is the insanity of the Liberals and the modern Democrat. They do not see that for the most part, there are not that many countries that are willing to leave us alone, or would not take immediate advantage of such a thing and immediately invade this country and slaughter each ad ever one of those long-haired hippie free-thinkers before they could utter their first, “Hey, dude, why do you have to be such a fascist” comment. And the first group to take such advantage are the very groups they are forcing 7th grades to emmulate for three weeks in California, that they forced people to, “understand and learn about” following their murdering 3000+ of our countrymen over 6 years ago, and who have committed over 10,200 separate murderous terrorist attacks in those same 6+ years. the same group who we are debating right now, that murdered in cold blood, a woman who was working for the betterment of people’s lives, and who wanted to put out of business the group that was giving her people and religion a bad name on the world stage.
Yes, I am talking about Islamic Jihadis. Those happy Fun Time Boys who are rapidly blurring the line between themselves and any other Muslim. It is getting to the point where the argument that, “Not all Muslims are like that” is hollow and falls on deaf and dead ears. People are tired of that excuse, because those that are not like that are allowing those that are to run roughshod all over the planet and making the world a miserable place for everyone and violence to reign supreme. People are tired of the whining, the excuses, the, “Muslims were offended today by”, headlines. We could care less, and it is getting to the boiling point in a pressure cooker with weak clamps that are coming apart. What side will the American Liberal be on when they come off? Only time will tell, but I can tell you this, there will be no tollerance for the tollerant at that point, and the stupid will need to show their colors and get the hell out of the way, because our children will not live in a world governed by the likes of those that treat life so cheap as those that would do as the ones that blow up people on buses, in cafes, in discos, in airports and with IED’s. All it will take, is the first one to go off here, and that will be it. Just watch, things are different in this country, we are not Europe.
I totally agree. Musharraf is smart enough to know he has NOTHING to gain by her death, and everything to lose.
He’s been walking on eggshells for years that American pundits and politicians cannot BEGIN to imagine - this assassination only makes it harder for HIM to literally survive, too, and he knows that.
Everytime they start claiming that an Al Qaeda claim for some horror wasn’t POSSIBLY really “THEM”, we find out it was, indeed.
The Al Qaeda and kind, and American Liberals are the only ones who could possibly conceive of some goal that was advantageous to themselves in Bhutto’s death.
In Al Qaeda’s case, the resulting unrest really does give them a better opportunity to get hold of that nuclear plant. It sure doesn’t make it easier for Musharraf to keep guard over it, successfully!
Ms Bhutto was very brave to risk death to to improve her country. Unfortunately, it seems it will take a strong and ruthless dictator to eliminate the Jihadists, Islamists, … I hope that Musharraf can weather this storm and assume that role to the extent necessary.
Indeed, we should be very afraid of what this country could become.
AMEN! To every single word of it.
Really great hearing Americans of EVERY stripe talking about jerking the rug out from under Musharraf, just like we did from the Shah of Iran.
When the only other serious power player in the region is Al Qaeda.
Hand Pakistan and the nuclear plant with over 200 nuclear missiles over to Al Qaeda on a silver platter, because Musharraf didn’t (for whatever reason) sufficiently secure the person of a woman who liked to provoke riots, thinking her enemies might be hurt, but that SHE would ride the crest of it SAFELY to her own triumph. Partly because she was a woman - partly because her martyred daddy was the JFK of Pakistan.
So she felt safe instigating riots, thinking they would not hurt anyone but Musharraf, and the unwieldly snake she tried to wrangle turned on her and bit HER.
This is a Bush wet dream. Musf can implement martial law again and suspend elections.Cuz they have lots of nukes that will now remain secured.The threat of the Taliban and Al Queda in the North will not be an issue.
On the other hand, we can bomb Iran that has no stock pile.
Where is the greater threat?
Muslims hate pigs because they want the sty for themselves. Let them have it. Just make them wallow over there.
This assassination demonstrates how volatile the world really is. My concern is what will happen in wake of such a tragedy. My other concern is that we have Presidental candidates debating daily over domestic issues and addressing the question, “What can the gov’t do for me?”, constantly, while we have serious problems in the world that will affect us more than lead in toys and “tax the rich” programs. This tragedy underlines the question, “Candidate, what are your plans for dealing with these global problems?”
Are you so blinded and myopic with your hatred for Bush and your stupidity towards what is going on in the world and in the Islamic Global grab for World Domination as to think that this has ANYTHING what-so-ever to do with Bush, Iran or whatever is going on in your paranoid tiny little brain?
Do you really think this is some conspiritorial plot in order for Bish and Cheney to finally be able to bomb Iran, because after all, for the last 30 years or so, we haven’t had any good reasons to bomb them farther into the stone age than they already live to begin with? Are you so paranoid and filled with unreasonable hatred towards a human being that you have never met, the President of the United States, that you actually think he is happy over the events of today, that has made his work in the War Against Global Terrorism and Islamic Aggression that much more difficult in that it has placed DOZENS of nuclear warheads within finger length of Al Qaeda agents working within the Pakistani Government? And just what and where do you think those war heads will go, laughing boy? DO you think they will become mere tokens and used for idol threats as the Soviets and Chinese and other Nuclear Super powers did for 50 years during the Cold War?
No F-Tard. The Islamic Jihadists goal is to bring about the new Caliphate. To do so, they must destroy the world and “cleanse it in fire”. Well gee gosh, I wonder how one cleanses the entire freaking world in fire these days? Could it be a rogue Islamic nation with about 22 nuclear tiped missles? I dunno…COULD BE?!?!?! Yeah, that must be Bush’s wet dream then, huh? the whole world going to crap. Millions and millions dying instantly, vaporized by religious fanatics, hoping to bring about the end of the world. And hey, they have even gone on record as saying as much, but then, if you actually STUDIED YOUR HISTORY AND YOUR ENEMY INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO YOUR LIBERAL JOKERS ON KOS YOU WOULD KNOW THAT! Ahchmadinijad has threatened more than once to wipe israel off the map and destroy it with fire and that he has sworn to be the one to bring about the new Caliphate before he leaves office is not a secret. that the Muslim Brotherhood was formed at the beginning of the 20th Century to bring about the New Caliphate is also nothing new. however, I bet dollars to doughnuts that you, and the rest of the sycophants on the Left know NOTHING about such things and THAT is why such idiotic statements such as yours are repeatedly made during times such as this.
This was a hit done by Al Qaeda BECAUSE SHE WOULD HAVE HAD THE US GO IN AND ERRADICATE THEM> PERIOD. Bush’s “wwet dream” was gone the minute she was slaughtered by these animals, because he has been waiting to go into Pakistan to kill these pigs for 6 years, but you Libs…and if you say you aren’t a lib after that statement, you are a liar, wouldn’t allow him to now even if he had a golden ticket. You wouldn’t give him the manpower or the money. Hell, you won’t fund the war now. It’s just a bumper sticker, right?
Geezus.
The angry salivation that drips vindictively from this remark and the absurd postulations that follow tell us much more about the widespread spoiled, emotional sickness of hate that has infected a large segmnent of our population than anything about global politics. The gross inmappropriateness of this remark at this particular time is staggering.
This kind of malicious, obsessive hatred will do us in more surely than any theoretical nuclear confrontation. So those of you who “don’t want to get involved” with ranters of this particular persuation had better start speaking up to embarrass and humiliate the fun out of such malicious activity, unless you want them to become the world. Find a way to enjoy it, because it needs to be done.
Bush Hate Is A Penny A Dozen. What’s Needed Is Real World Gutsy Solutions In A Rough World
It’s funny. The very ones who loathe Bush so and hate seeing anyone getting even scratched fighting an enemy out to corner our energy sources are the same ones more happy about seeing that Bambi’s romping atop frozen oil fields untouched by oil wells that can help keep people from having to get hurt protecting our vital energy sources.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
#153 On December 27th, 2007 at 11:59 pm, RetFireman said:
#160 On December 28th, 2007 at 3:03 am, RetFireman said:
You beat me to it.
Great psots.
Before I read tyhem I had been thinking this morning about the grave danger and impediment to our sfaety that our American leftists and socialists pose; and the saying,
“Lead, follow, or get out of the way.” ran through my mind.
“…there will be no tollerance for the tollerant at that point, and the stupid will need to show their colors and get the hell out of the way, …”
Exactly.
No more need be said.
…great posts, rather.
Man, I miss “preview” at work.
Yeah, I know…”them”.
Well, they’ve done it. One of Obama’s foreign policy people has said Bhutto was killed as a result of increased terrorist activity which is a direct result of the Iraq war. It’s Bush’s fault.
#166 On December 28th, 2007 at 9:40 am, jungatheart said:
“Well, they’ve done it. One of Obama’s foreign policy people has said Bhutto was killed as a result of increased terrorist activity which is a direct result of the Iraq war. It’s Bush’s fault.”
What clowns.
Of course, the bully is gonna get po’d when you fight back.
Pakistan is a “Sanctuary” for Taliban and Alqaeda, Six years after 9-11. Musharraf calls many Taliban - Pashtun, he doesn’t see the conflict with Terrorist, through Western Eyes. The status qou keeps Musharraf in Power. I repeat if Musharraf died tomorrow of natural causes or an accident, who would take his place? Humans beings -being mortal. No one is indespensible. I have to believe that our Govt has a contingency plan for changes in Pakistan’s leadership. Bhutto was plan A, to deal with the tribal areas of Pakistan, Why, because Musharraf benefits from the status quo. Rusty had one thing right we should suspend Aid -$$$ to that Country.
Of course. The terrorists attacked the US in 2001 because Bush invaded Iraq in 2003. Didn’t you know?
/sarc off
Monica Crowley,
One assassination Three beneficiarys
http://monicamemo.typepad.com/weblog/2007/12/one-assassinati.html
I just wanted to share this bit of fun from a commenter at HuffPo:
If this was actually said, then this should be repeated LOUDLY everywhere in objection to such an unbelieveable outrage.
At the very least, it shows Obama (who is certain to distance himself from the remarks like a coward - when you gonna debate on Fox Mr Couragious President?) has not a clue, if he said this honestly, because terrorist activity is down since the surge. But he knows that, doesn’t he? So he’s - let’s not mince words - a liar.
This remark
A sullies Bhutto’s memory and her staggeringly couragious work
B. Undermines national confidence in our military and political strength as a nation
C. Is a clear intentional falsehood.
D. Shows this creep Obama will stoop as low as it takes, at any inappropriate moment, to spin anything - even the tragic murder of a potential hero - for his own political gain.
That last one disqualifies him from ever attaining the Presidency, and I hope enough people raise their voices and say so. Politics is dirty and fun is fun, but this goes too far.
Disgraceful.
I saw it reported on Fox news and I’m also in love with Megyn Kelly because when she ran the story, she commented; “Who’s going to believe this?” She’s also pretty good to look at. They also said that the reason it was one of Obama’s people rather than himself was so he wouldn’t have to take the heat for it.
This is the article from Christopher Hitchens. He point out the geography where Bhutto was killed, she might have felt she was safe.
http://www.slate.com/id/2180952/
Now, three days of mourning. Pray for Pakistan.
Oh, stoker #157, your comment makes you sound completely uninformed.
The Day After,
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2007/12/pimp-my-hide.html
THE BHUTTO ASSASSINATION: NOT WHAT SHE SEEMED TO BE is worth reading to gain a perspective IMHO.
I can’t believe the delusion and spin from the Left, I am sure this is inconveinent to the Socialist before the Iowa caucus but come on a human being, has been killed. The Left is showing itself for the Souless Shells they are, if you thump their chest do you hear an echo. Attack the Victim when the Victim doesn’t share your political idealogy…this is really in bad taste.
Benazir, would most likely have been a disaster for Pakistan, if she had been elected, but I am not going to denigrate a woman who displayed astounding courage by returning to Pakistan and trying to run in an environment that is misogynist when it is at it’s best. Not to mention her being a truly moderate Muslim, trying to garner support in the absolute insanity of fundamentalist islam, which has a large following in Pakistan.
She may have been misguided, and fool hardy, but she knew what she was up against, and she had the courage to try to be a voice of change. She wasn’t doing it by lopping off heads, and blowing up people. She was doing it in the non-violent, democratic way.
The forces of evil put a stop to it, and ended her life. However, she is truly martyred and resides with her God. She was a warrior in the struggle to destroy islamic fundamentalism. God bless her.
I try not to read the Huffington Post some of these comments are surreal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/27/blitzer-exclusive-bhutto_n_78475.html
Friday Greetings Mrs. Malkin and loyal community. Post #177 reference to the Ralph Peters article is worthy. The position of Ms. Bhutto’s family in Sindh and the rest of Pakistan is well known, and the pluses and minuses of her personality and her terms in office are well-documented. In her country’s distress, her shortcomings were obvious, as are also those of Mr. Musharraf. What she was perceived to bring to the table of governance in Pakistan was unalloyed determination to confront the Islamists infecting her country, especially in the Northwest Frontier provinces and in the Interservice Intelligence (ISI). Mr. Musharraf could no more confront the Islamists himself with his narrow base of support than Neville Chamberlain could undertake a lengthy struggle against Hitlerism with just Conservative Party support. In a “cohabitation” with Mr. Musharraf, the tacit support he has had from Islamist characters in the ISI and elsewhere could presumably be dispensed with. This would make possible a determined fight by the Pakistani federal government against the Islamists. This evident prospect has obviously fuelled the recurrent assassination attempts against Ms. Bhutto until yesterday’s dark success. That after a surgeon’s detailed explanation of Ms. Bhutto’s fatal wounds a “government spokesman” could claim that she died from hitting her head on her vehicle’s sunroof suggests how severely penetrated by Islamists Mr. Musharraf’s government is.
Reading “HuffPo”, “Kos”, “DU” or any of the other lesser known Liberal hate sites for news on this situation, let alone opinion on this event is the qquivalent of going to the “Weekly World News” for fact based reporting and Geraldo Rivera for emotionless and unbiased opinion. I can’t believe anyone is actually doing so and then coming here and stating anything from there as fact.
To say that Pervez was lax on security is doing him a great injustice. How can anyone expect him to provide around the clock 100% guaranteed security for her when our own troops are getting shot by snipers, blown up by homicide bombers and IED’s, and even our own President was almost injured and/or killed by a failed grenade attempt by these most determined of enemies we as a human race have ever faces.
As i have said on so many occassions, the moral compass of the Liberals, the Left-Wing and the Democrats in general is just plain non-existent. It is not there, if it was ever there at all. The Democratic party of FDR, which was at one point very strong, which lead this country against the Nazis and tthe Imperialist Japanese and created a President who asked a country to ask themselves what they could do for their country and not what their country could do for them, seems to have died with that last President on that November day in Dallas in 1963. Since then, they all “Turned off, Dropped Out, and Got high. The drugs and mind altering and genetic mutating substances they took during that period of time has definately had it’s effects on society and even today we are reaping those benefits to where we are living in a sort of Maurice Sendack world that they have created. Nothing seems to be real to them, and everything will be ok if everyone just sits down and just talks it out.
Well kids, the most ethnocentric folks around seems to be your American Liberal. Not everyone on the planet seems to have had the benefit of watching “Sesame Street”. They do not all know nor have they had the benefit of having learned how to play nice with others and speak well. In a huge percentage on this planet, there is only one thing and one thing only that they understand and respect. That is “He with the biggest gun/sword and who knows how to use it and doesn’t back down, gets to make the rules and wins every time!” That was the rule in Nirth Korea, and was definately the rule in Vietnam. Reagan knew that was the rule in the Cold War which is why we won that, and it is most definately the rule in this war against the neophytes we are fighting against in the War Against Islamic Aggression and Global Domination.
There is no State that we can negotiate. This is a way of life, a religion and a political theology we are up against that is hundreds of years old. There is only one end game that they are aware of, and that is the enslavement of all mankind to the will of Islam or the destruction of those that do not bend to that will. PERIOD!. that has been the way since it’s inception, and that will br the way until they are crushed and brought under manageable control or eliminated.
You can talk all the hippie kumbaya love-notwar crap you want, but it will get you nowhere. Go over to an Islamic country and try that. Ask Code Pink what happened when they tried. Ask any Liberal orgaization, and Cristion or Jewish organization that went into an Islamic country that tried to say, “Hey, we are all one people, one planet, we can all get along”, ask them what happened. You might have a hard time finding them…most of them had their heads cut off, were whipped to death or were just plain never heard from again.
You people are fools….pure and simple. You can sit and lambast the COnservatives, the Republicans, Bush, the USA all you want. You can call all the previously stated groups “warmongers”, “Islamophobics” or whatever the Liberal labels are today is, but the fact is, i am right, you are wrong, and every day in the news, I am proven to be and no matter how you attempt to reason it away, ou know damn well that they are not cooperating with you and your excuses.
Al Qaeda, that group you say is made up, does not exist except in a CIA make believe file by the Bush family, killed a woman who was a threat…a real threat…to thm in Pakistan. They are on the ropees due to what Bush is doing and he is doing it without listening to polls and the Libs in Congress, thank God. If he did what you idiots in this country and the Dems in Congress wanted him to do, our body count would be astronomical by this point and we would only have the lokes of YOU to blame.
So shut up, let the “War Mongers” do what they do best, and let’s take care of those ancient bastards who want the world “cleansed with fire” before they get that chance. I don’t know about you, but that is a far more realistic thing right now than Algore’s made up crap about his Global Warming Legacy.
RetFireman, I have the impression that these people in complete denial are essentially no different from the jihadis, in that it will never matter how much proof is laid at their feet, they will now and forever on believe what they believe. When an Al Queda jihadist is cutting through the neck of their sons and daughters while they are forced to watch, they will still be in denial. Likewise, the tolerant and peace-loving Islamic extremists will also continue to preach with one hand while murdering with the other. There is no hope for either group anymore. IMHO, it’s us or them, and you can bet your last American cent I will not go quietly.
I am with you. It is a matter of “us vs. Them”. the question though, is who are the “us’” and who are the “them’s”. I am of the mind that the seriousness of this situation that has gripped the world has not gripped this nation. this nation is very, incredibly spoiled in its ability to be isolated from the rest of the planet. People here have the blessing and curse of ignoring and not being touched by the violence that every other country on the planet has to endure on a daily basis, thus they can choose to think that it is just a “bumpersticker” war and nothing but a “war for oil” and all for Bush. They are not forced to deal with the horrors of train bombings, car boimbings, cafe and disco bbombings…yet. Just look at the panic that occurred with the anthrax scare. We were getting calls to people’s residences for anything that remotely looked like it. We had one call to an office building for what turned out to be sugar from a powdered doughnut.
The Liberals laugh this all off. They claim we are using “Fear Tactics” in order to win elections. Is it fear tactics when all we do is point out the truth of what is happening in the world? Is it a fear tactic when we tell the American ppopulation the exact quotes that the Terrorist networks have used and threatened us with themselves?
They cannot handle the truth of the matter, and prefer to be kept in the dark. They carry on with empty words about how Bush should have done more to prevent 9-11 and then handcuff him at every turn. Then, when it happens again, and it will, only much, much worse, they will again cry and wail about why not enough was done, all the while conviniently forgetting about all the times they denied that there was a terrorist threat in the first place.
This is going to be a World War like no other. This will end up being fought by ordinary citizens in ordinary towns in ordinary streets. This is going to be fought for EVERYONE’s way of life…not just the American way of life. It will be for the way of life for each individual country…England, France, Italy, Greenland, Brazil, the Phillipines…with weapons owned by those brave and smart enough to have them and to have stockpiled the ammo.
Paranoid? God, I sure hope so. I sure hope that ten years from now, anyone who read this remembers it as the ramblings of a crackpot retired fireman who saw too many classified warning briefings, instead of remembering this as “Crap, that guy was right.”
Let’s just say I never owned guns before a year ago and I haxe two more maybe three to go, and WalMart has GREAT prices on ammo and safes.
All,
I watched some of this last night on CNN this was a good special. CNN isn’t spinning this with the usual political bias. I also noticed the comments on the Huffington Post Blog, they were bashing Wolf Blitzer for being biased toward the Bush Administration….BEzzar! The Left doesn’t want to hear the reality. They even bash their favorite cablenews outlet, when they report the straight news without a slant. I think that is the sad state of affairs on the Left, they see everything through a political prizm, they can’t see anything “clearly” without filtering it through their political idealogy first.
I think this is a clash of cultures, even more so after watching the CNN special last night, that was remarkably candid for CNN, not the usual terrorist apologist.
http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2007/12/27/cnn-to-air-pakistan-doc-tonight/
This youtube video is Bhutto being interviewed by David Frost in Nov 2007 she names names she believes was involved in the first assassination attempt when she returned to Pakistan. 6:12 in the video, she claims Bin Laden was killed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ
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