An unexpected phone call from Nancy Pelosi
David Jeffers, the father of fallen hero Sgt. Eddie Jeffers, reports that he received a surprise phone yesterday from Nancy Pelosi (hat tip – Scott M.). Sgt. Jeffers published essays from Iraq over the past year and was killed in Ramadi in September at the age of 23. Is there a shred of humanity behind the frozen mask of Madam Speaker? Or was this a calculated political move to offset her unhinged rhetoric on the war?
David Jeffers writes:
“This is Nancy Pelosi and I just wanted to call you and let you know that I got your packet from Congressman Jeff Miller and that I read all of your son Eddie’s articles. I want to first say how sorry I am for your loss and I imagine this must have been a tough Christmas for your family.”
That’s how my conversation with the Speaker of the House began. I told her because of our faith in Christ we were able to rejoice knowing that Eddie was with Jesus. I told her my daughters were able to come home for Christmas and we were thankful for that. She asked about the girls and where they lived and said it was great that they were close enough to come home. She said that it was good that we have a strong faith to lean on.
She said that Eddie’s words were profound and that although he is gone from us, his words will live on forever. She also stated that our soldiers are magnificent and regardless of our differences on the war or its conduct, we can all be thankful for such a wonderful military. We said a couple of more pleasantries and then wished each other a Happy New Year. I thanked her for taking the time to call and that I appreciated it.
Now I know some of you are probably pretty skeptical about her genuineness and I admit I was totally taken aback by her call, but she was very gracious. (Don’t worry; I’m not getting soft on anyone).
…She didn’t introduce herself as the Speaker of the House, just Nancy Pelosi. We believe that Eddie’s words really touched a cord and she didn’t have to call me because in my personal note I wrote to her, which she addressed, I was pretty hard on her…
Eddie Jeffers’ words touched many, many people. He was the author of the famous Internet essay, “Hope Rides Alone“–published in February at the New Media Journal, along with several other moving blog posts. His father shared more here.
I’m glad Pelosi had the decency to express her appreciation for Sgt. Jeffers’ essays. But talk–especially from empty promiser Pelosi, especially from a party that voted overwhelmingly to oppose the surge and attemped repeatedly to force an Iraq withdrawal timetable to be tied to military funding–is cheap.
Sgt. Jeffers’ rejoinder to Pelosi and her ilk before he was killed resonates more than ever at the close of this year–a year defined by the success of the surge that Sgt. Jeffers wasn’t able to live to see through. Sgt. Jeffers was right to be wary of domestic enemies and political opportunists. From “Hope Rides Alone:”
People like Cindy Sheehan are ignorant. Not just to this war, but to the results of their idiotic ramblings, or at least I hope they are. They don’t realize its effects on this war. In this war, there are no Geneva Conventions, no cease fires. Medics and Chaplains are not spared from the enemy’s brutality because it’s against the rules. I can only imagine the horrors a military Chaplain would experience at the hands of the enemy. The enemy slinks in the shadows and fights a coward’s war against us. It is effective though, as many men and women have died since the start of this war. And the memory of their service to America is tainted by the inconsiderate remarks on our nation’s news outlets. And every day, the enemy changes…only now, the enemy is becoming something new. The enemy is transitioning from the Muslim extremists to Americans. The enemy is becoming the very people whom we defend with our lives. And they do not realize it. But in denouncing our actions, denouncing our leaders, denouncing the war we live and fight, they are isolating the military from society…and they are becoming our enemy.
Democrats and peace activists like to toss the word “quagmire” around and compare this war to Vietnam. In a way they are right, this war is becoming like Vietnam. Not the actual war, but in the isolation of country and military. America is not a nation at war; they are a nation with its military at war. Like it or not, we are here, some of us for our second, or third times; some even for their fourth and so on. Americans are so concerned now with politics, that it is interfering with our war.
Terrorists cut the heads off of American citizens on the internet…and there is no outrage, but an American soldier kills an Iraqi in the midst of battle, and there are investigations, and sometimes soldiers are even jailed…for doing their job.
It is absolutely sickening to me to think our country has come to this. Why are we so obsessed with the bad news? Why will people stop at nothing to be against this war, no matter how much evidence of the good we’ve done is thrown in their face? When is the last time CNN or MSNBC or CBS reported the opening of schools and hospitals in Iraq? Or the leaders of terror cells being detained or killed? It’s all happening, but people will not let up their hatred of President Bush. They will ignore the good news, because it just might show people that Bush was right…
…We are the hope of the Iraqi people. They want what everyone else wants in life: safety, security, somewhere to call home. They want a country that is safe to raise their children in. Not a place where their children will be abducted, raped and murdered if they do not comply with the terrorists demands. They want to live on, rebuild and prosper. And America has given them the opportunity, but only if we stay true to the cause and see it to its end. But the country must unite in this endeavor…we cannot place the burden on our military alone. We must all stand up and fight, whether in uniform or not. And supporting us is more than sticking yellow ribbon stickers on your cars. It’s supporting our President, our troops and our cause.
Right now, the burden is all on the American soldiers. Right now, hope rides alone. But it can change, it must change. Because there is only failure and darkness ahead for us as a country, as a people, if it doesn’t.
Let’s stop all the political nonsense, let’s stop all the bickering, let’s stop all the bad news and let’s stand and fight!
Isn’t that what America is about anyway?
Hope in Iraq has many more companions now than it did in February when Sgt. Jeffers published those words.
But which side of hope does Nancy “Grotesque Mistake”/Not a War, Just a “Situation” Pelosi really ride on?
She’s fooling no one.
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Well,years ago,someone once told the insufferable Ms Pelosi when asked what the key to a successful career in politics was, that it is sincerity….if she could learn to fake that,then she would go far….and she clearly took that advice to heart
Sgt. Eddie Jeffers words have swayed our nation. May God Rest his Soul. Pelosi’s private conversation was thoughtful and nice but she is a national leader. Third in line for the most powerful seat the World has ever known. Her public words are the one’s that count as the world turn to us for leadership. She fails miserably in the leadership department and that makes her unfit to hold the high position she finds herself in.
I’ll soften my opinion of her when she reads or echos Sgt. Jeffers words in public, for the World to hear.
Decent gesture, I have to give her props. Maybe she means it… maybe she is starting to ‘get it.’ Maybe this is the first action in a series of them that will show she understands there are people who want to saw her head off as well as ours.
Maybe. But like Zorro stated, her congressional record and public actions still far outweigh this.
Kevlaur
The call to Mr. Jeffers was pure political posturing. It is dangerous to ever assume she has told the truth.
Pelosi is a poster child for “Useful Idiots R Us”. Her only sincere desire is to weaken the United States to the point that the Government will have to “solve” the problem that she and her fellow travelers created in the first place.
A nice gesture on the face … but why did it take Pelosi over 3 months to make this phone call of condolences …
SSgt Eddie Jeffers was killed in September (the 19th I believe) and it is now the end of December … Where was San Fran Nan’s concern for this family’s loss all this time …
Sorry to be so negative … but she is just like the Clintons … everything is calculated and planned to acheive what she wants … anything else is window dressing for the rest of the world to gaze upon …
SSgt Eddie Jeffers wrote some powerful and moving words … they should have been taken to heart long before his death …
May peace be with his family and may he rest in the honored peace he deserves …
A number of conversations between Mark Levin and David Jeffers here. There are others whose names you might recognize as well. What a great young warrior this was. Never forgotten…
It would be nice to think that when people celebrate the salvation that is Jesus Christ, that Pelosi had a moment of genuine appreciation of what had transpired. And don’t get me wrong, I do think she had a moment of appreciation – an appreciation of a political opportunity.
This will get play all over the media, portrayed has hugely important leader calls nobody family, and make no mistake, the story will be just as much about her as the words of the fallen soldier. You’ll notice that Pelosi spoke of it being good that they had faith to get them through this, and a small list of other condescentions, but not how right the cause was that the soldier himself believed in so much that he gave everything he had for it, or that she herself would say a prayer for him. It reeks of her speaking to “little people”.
No, I’m sorry, and apologies to the family in the unlikely event that any of their group are reading this, but I don’t buy it. A lifetime of anti-military far-left lectures, actions and attempted legislation, and she suddenly calls a family out of nowhere during the start of the caucus process for the 08 presidential election when polls show uncertainty about who the frontrunner should be and the current democrat frontrunner running in a statistical dead-heat with the Republican frontrunner?
Let her do more first. Let her support the troops by ongoing actions; let her oppose the anti-military extremists in her own party – loudly; let her demonstrate an ongoing dedication to the troops by not consistantly sending Bush federal budget proposals with troop withdrawls and the cutting of funding, additional funding that may have saved that man’s life, for all we know.
Sorry, but this is such an obvious election ploy to cast her party in a moderate light that after her history she’ll have to do more than this to convince me it was anything but, and if it is inedeed an election ploy, then there are no expressions of shame strong enough for such an unconscionable act.
It also, somehow, has the Hillary mark on it, as we approach the caucus for the 08 elections in which Hillary is running for President.
I wish I could think of something to say to spin this as an additional memorium to the memory of the fallen soldier, but I can’t. The fact is this whole thing just stinks.
I hate to be negative but I agree with DL. I have seen her work for more than 50 years, beginning with her family in baltimore.
As much as I want to beleive her, I don’t. I think this is a caclulated move designed to help her look more human. I could be wrong and I hope I am.
As for Sgt. Jeffers, what an immeasurable loss. He was such a great man and great soldier. He will truly be missed.
That young man makes me proud to be an America – an American who stands with our fighting forces and with our President.
A true HERO!
Is there redemption for a soulless leader who declared defeat for our side? I think not but Pelosi’s call is a huge first step towards becoming a real human.
I wish Sgt. Jeffers words could be read by every American. May God Rest His Soul. As for Pelosi.I could care less what comes out of her mouth.
The New Republic would have served themselves better to use Sgt Jeffers truthful, eloquent essays instead of the made up ones from Beauchump. (yes I spelled his name wrong on purpose)
His words brought tears to my eyes. It is so sad that more people can’t/won’t see the good that is being done over there.
Oh please. She is just as calculating and conniving as the Bill & Hillary. This call was only so she could point to it, and claim she supports the troops. No doubt she, like the Bill, will wait for the camera to be on before she remembers to cry.
Actions, dear friend, speaks volumes over words.
Very interesting to say the least…the beast has “feelings”? I am a little more than shocked….Of course when she comes back from her long Christmas vacation…bought and paid for by the United States Military we will see that she is the same cold piece of crap that she was before she left….still a traitor to me.
Thomas Sowell in his autobiography tells how he once considered a political career. He didn’t know much about what that entailed, so he sought out advice. One person, a professional who did know what the costs were, explained as follows: “If you decide to do this, remember from that everything, including your family, is to be used and directed towards that end. Nothing else matters.” Sowell quickly decided that a political career was not for him.
Whenever you see a successful politician in action, recall that crass, unsentimental, and absolutely true advise.
Sgt. Jeffers was a truly gifted young man – brave, intelligent and patriotic, all of which were reflected in his faith and service to others in the course of serving his country. The altruism of his actions and dedication to his convictions speak well of this generation of young Americans which is far too often portrayed as shallow and substance abusing by the MSM – unless they are standing in some anti-this or -that protest line; in fact, I believe had SGT Jeffers used in his pen in protest of the war in Iraq, the MSM would have held him up as the martyr of this century – especially the NYT and LATimes. But, because he wrote the truth and told what was really happening in Iraq, I’ve seen little to no mention of him in any of the MSM outlets, print or electronic.
As for Pelosi, I do not believe a word of what she says, nor any of her last minute acts of penance about the war which come-off as mere contrivances of condescension! It is too late for her to do a turn around, however disingenuous, now that the surge is working. Were success – and the ’08 election cycle – not so near, Sgt. Jeffers’ father would never have heard a peep from the Madame Speaker!
About 20 or so years ago I had some folks that were trying to encourage me to run for elected office … I turned them down repeatedly … when they kept asking why not … I had a simple reply …
I’m not a big enough Liar and A$$hole to be a politician …
Obviously we have an over abundant supply already … if you don’t believe that then you are very out of touch …
Cynical? Maybe but if Nancy Pelosi is softening her rhetoric on this War, it is 1. Because the surge is working and 2. Nancy wants a democrat elected to the white house in 2008, they will inheirit this War, in which case she will support any policy they put forth.
When being against the War is no longer politically expedient, she can fall back on “Seeing the Light”
Cynical maybe but there is an old saying, a leopard never changes it spots.
The story here is not that Nancy Pelosi made a phone call, but rather the graciousness of David Jeffers. That he even spoke to her, a woman who has denigrated everything his son stood for on every occasion presented, and spoke to her politely, says much more about Mr. Jeffers than it does about anything else. This story makes it clear to me who instilled in SSgt Jeffers courage, dignity and patriotism.
Pelosi’s opportunism doesn’t impress me. I would have called her a hypocrite and hung up.
Rest easy, SGT Jeffers.
I’m not buying her sincerty at all, especially after all of the vile that has come from her mouth, she is nothing more than a political opportunist.
Sgt. Eddie Jeffer’s is a True American Hero who has given his life in the service of others, the ultimate sacrifice.
This story remind’s me of my father in law, the anniversary of his death is coming up. God rest his soul. For many years he kept his action’s in WWII a secret from all who knew him, even his wife and five daughter’s. I was charged by my Mother in law to get the medal’s he earned in service to our country, he sent them back with a soldier from KC and was told he would deliver them to his mother, she never recieved them. When I was given his discharge paper’s I discoverd he had recieved 3 Bronze Star Medal’s and 3 Purple Heart’s. I said to him “Bill why did’nt you tell anyone you where a Hero.” his reply was “I’m no hero the men that never came home, my buddies where the hero’s I did nothing more than do my job, the word hero has been basterdized, If you must call me anything call me a Patriot.” I will remember these word’s the rest of my day’s, small in stature, with a heart that was bigger than anyone I’ve ever known. Sacrificing life and limb I’ll add one word Great Patriot.
Sgt. Eddie Jeffer’s a True American Hero. God Bless him and his family fine American’s all.
What Sgt Jeffer said is the reason why I do the Patriot Guard.
Correction:
Where I said “success,” in post #17 – second paragraph, I meant the success the US is experiencing with the Surge in Iraq – and in NO way did I mean to imply nor associate “success” with Mrs. Pelosi and or the Democrats.
Those “differences on the war or its conduct” that Pelosi seemed to want to minimize are not some matter of subjective opinion. Those differences are what make the difference between being right, and being wrong. They make the difference between helping America and damaging it. So, sorry Nancy, but calling that man makes you no less of a scoundrel.
Pelosi is still persona non grata until she apologizes before the nation for her stupid anti-American/Military comments.
If Bush would call, he would be a hero in your book. The difference between Bush and Pelosi is that Bush got the kid killed and Pelosi tried to stop it.
Here we go again…it’s always Bush’s fault.
I detest the west coast liberal thinking. When you look at leadership at the state and local level you don’t have to look far to see the effect on cities, such as San Francisco, has been regressive in every way. I’m not willing to give “San Fran Nan” to much credit for doing something decent at a purely human level. I can’t begin to know Cindy Sheehan’s grief but, I don’t give her a pass on her politics.
The fact that lgm is a traitor to this country as is Pelosi, does’nt suprise me.
In the word’s of On My Soap Box.
“IGNORE HIM”
lgm,#27
Wait, don’t confuse us with the facts here.
Wrong again Ernie!
Pelosi voted to send our soldiers to war.
If there is guilt to be assigned for their deaths then Pelosi is just as guilty.
Now run along and stop interrupting while the adults are talking.
lgm.. you are a POS. I dare you to take a trip to Baghdad and take a walk around for a few hours.. no, it won’t be Bush sawing through your neck, but perhaps that will be the only way you will ever realize the truth. Unfortunately it would be the last thought that goes through that quagmire you call a brain.
one last suggestion lgm, try reading what Eddie Jeffers wrote – your comment here exemplifies exactly what he was talking about – although I imagine you wont be able to see the truth of that, your hatred gets in the way. Perhaps you should move to the Middle East and join the enemy, since you already support them.
#27, you seem to forget that queen piglosi and her crew voted to send Sgt Jefferies into combat, and then when the potential political ramifications started rearing their ugly head, she work tirelessly to undermine his mission not just with her words but actions as well. Who will ever forget her traitorous trip to Syria and the asskissing she gave assad the asswad. All the while knowing Syria was supporting the enemy with weapons and funding. So your statement is not just wrong it’s a straight up lie. If the Congress, who voted to send Sgt Jefferies into combat, had worked to support the President and the mission as diligently as they have/do to undermine them, Sgt Jefferies and all those who made the ultimate sacrifice might possibly still be with us. Congress undermining the mission for political gain has been one of the primary reasons the enemy has been so resilient. queen piglosi’s gesture stinks of nothing but politics. She has no honor or integrity. Mr. Jefferies is a true gentlemen because if it had been me, I would have told her to f*&^ off.
Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF
Remember, and this applies to all fiberals, as well as Nancy With The Laughing Eyes, no matter how nice and humane they seem to be:
“Never French Kiss a Cobra”.
To Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Schumer, Leahy, and all of our resident trolls such as lgm …
There is only one term that can aptly describe those that voted to send our troops into harm’s way and then have spent every waking minute trying to deny them the things they need to be successful … trying to ensure their defeat at the hands of a bunch of barbarians …
Backstabbers …
Don’t feed the troll.
We show who and what we are by our actions, words are chip and easily used as a disguise.
Put me down a skeptical to the motives of this vile woman all of her past actions have been to undermine the mission of this generation’s very small band of heroes. The all volunteer Military continues to serve with distinction and bravery despite all the America hating traitors in this nation do to defeat them. This remarkable young man is one of many that “get it” and understand why we fight. His loss to his family and this nation affects all of us that support our troops and their mission.
Dear SanFranNan Pelousy,
Words are cheap. Actions speak.
Show me the money…
lgm must still Think Failure is an option. Pelosi is not any hero here because she had acted in a way that was not supportive of this or any other person in uniform fighting this war. For her to call his father would sort of be like Red Ted Kennedy calling Mary Jo’s father and saying he had no idea how it could have happened, and he is deeply sorry.
Since the troll has already been fed, it won’t hurt to also attack the underlying assumption behind lgm’s trollpost: that Pelosi is being ripped by us for making the phone call. Wrong again, troll: she’s being ripped despite making it, because it doesn’t excuse all the thing’s she’s done to undermine the ability of the troops to do their jobs and come home intact.
Thanks for helping us to flesh out the precise argument regarding what makes Pelosi such an ass, lgm. See? Troll posts can have value.
Sgt. Jeffers made the ultimate sacrifice. He gave all. May he rest in peace.
I still feel the same about her as I did yesterday. She’s a crapweasel, through and through.
These politicians must really think we are stupid… You don’t support the troops, just your own ends. Trying to align yourself with the memory of Sgt. Jeffers is a new,even for Pelosi.
You want to make a believer out of me Madam Speaker? Put up or shut up. You have the power to make a difference. Will you? Support the troops and their mission!!
I liken Pelosi to a vulture circling a now quite battlefield. Out of harms way, they find time to pick over the bodies of our fallen heros, feeding for political gain, all the while telling us what fine warriors they were…the term “despicable” doesn’t quite seem to describe her!
I meant “quiet” battlefield.
In Pelosi’s defense, she does appear to be smarter than Barbara Boxer.
Of course that standard could be met by some forms of plant life.
Mr. Jeffers and your family: You must be so very proud of your son, Eddie, as we all are. He had more courage, foresight and honesty than all our elected officials combined.
His life was one of integrity and bravery, not one of votes and self-involvement.
Thank you.
Well said.
Pelosi, lgm and their ilk will never get it.
lgm agrees with another traitor who said Bush is killing the troops for his enjoyment.
Pelosi does not care about bringing the troops home. She and her ilk do not care about the troops at all and have showed how much by playing politics with their lives and funding.
The Dimocraps have been the side of traitorous remarks and fallen hero Sgt. Eddie Jeffers said it better than most of us could.
lgm, I am praying for the day when Rick or Michelle get tired of your tripe. You do nothing more than insult. This is a forum for shared ideas and debate not spreading hate. That seems to be the sole purpose of your posts here and then, you turn around and accuse Michelle, and others of same.
Just once we would all love for you to give honor to a fallen hero like Sgt. Eddie Jeffers. You, lgm, add nothing to this blog except contempt. Go back to DailyKos.
I long for the days of you receiving those words we all love a troll to receive:
Buh-bye.
lgm,
Again, your statement is sophomoric. Did Lincoln get thousands of “kids” killed picking a fight with the Confederates? Did FDR get thousands of “kids” killed picking a fight with Germany? You would be much more effective if you debated issues more intelligently.
For example, you should argue that the Speaker’s call seems worthy of respect unless she attempts to exploit the Jeffers’ issue later.
You could have continued to state that Republicans should be welcoming any Democrat that reaches out to the troops (in a non-exploiting way) and supports the war efforts. After all, this is really about what’s best for the country and not what’s best for a particular party.
You might have been respected for stating this and might have won a few over.
On-my-soap-box said (#49
lgm never said any such thing. Half the suff on this site is straw man: you make up what you think liberals might think, then bash that.
The fact is that if the US had not invaded Iraq, a Bush decision, the kid would be alive. You can’t blame Pelosi for that. Now (this is the hard part) pay attention to what I didn’t say: no “Bush is a murderer”, no “I want the US to be invaded by Venezuela and AlQaeda”, etc.
Wondering if that old double bagger had her burka on when she made the call.
Let’s talk straw men!
Assuming he would not be killed in another attack on US soil, hit by a car, killed visiting Washing, DC (our murder capital)…
And I did not.
On December 30th, 2007 at 12:05 pm, lgm said:
If Bush would call, he would be a hero in your book. The difference between Bush and Pelosi is that Bush got the kid killed and Pelosi tried to stop it.
In your own words, Bush “got the kid killed. I suppose Bush imposed the draft and MADE the kid go. If you would look at the life of this HERO, you would see, he gave his life for something greater than himself – his fellow man.
Bush cannot have done what he did without congressional approval. You forgot we have a congress who voted OVERWHELMINGLY to go into Iraq?
Liberalism is a disease and you prove it every time you post.
Until you – one time – give honor to a true American HERO, nobody here will ever think of you as anything but a troll. You cannot even argue a point without building a STRAW HOUSE let alone building your own straw man. Your take on this whole thing is Bush killed this young man. His parents don’t think so. How about honoring this young man (like I did on my first post and will continue to do) instead of “trying” to make Pelosi out to be some kind of hero?
That is what you said, and it inferred that the President only, is personally responsible. No straw man there. Just your lies.
It is always the President’s decision to commit troops to war. What you and the other Marxists fail to point out (conveniently ignore) in your anti- Bush/Troop/American diatribes is that Pelosi and the rest of Congress must authorize the President to do so.
Madame Speaker was privy to the same information and said the same thing as the President said about Sadam and Iraq.
The even repeated the same Clinton speech about Sadam, As Bush 41 and 43 did.
Now tell us who lied, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Pelosi or Congress?
And who is lying now, besides you I mean.
I don’t think its a matter of being smarter. It’s being more devious and Pelpsi has that down pat.
Sorry…Pelosi has that down pat. It’s been a long day.
The family may very well have been called by the President.He has and does call many if not all fallen Soldiers families.I have admired him for that.
Gene #36 and docflash #52 (and all, except the pinko troll): You might appreciate this enhanced image of Pukelousy.
OH LGM, since you think that there would be no wars in the world if it wasn’t for President Bush then that would be a strong staw thought. Since the democrats have no plan to fight Islamoists, I profess that Mr. Jeffers died so that you will night have to live under Islam law. Are you anxious for that? What is your plan for world peace? The world by the way has not had total world peace since the beginning of mankind. LGM, do you think the Islamoists will lay down in peace because the USA does a Chamberlain? Please fill me in.
It is difficult sometimes to seperate someone’s politics from the kind of person they are.
I have read some good things about Pelosi – the way she treats her kids and grandkids, her charity work, the fact that she has been married to the same man for 43 years – these are attributes beyond any abhorrent political position she might hold.
I worry sometimes that we demonize the opposition too readily, not recognizing that they are people too. God knows why they believe the things they do but ascribing evil intent to their beliefs is just plain wrong.
From what I’ve read of Pelosi, her call to this guy was perfectly in keeping with the kind of person she is and I believe it was sincere. I think it serves as a reminder of the fact that despite our radical differences, we are still, at bottom, all Americans.
This last part of this statement is true, but I think most of us know why they believe what they believe. Power…power to control thought, action, and wealth. Without clear logic, the power they seek corrupts them.
As far as ascribing evil intent to these personalities, I guess it depends on one’s definition of evil. Some may say it is evil to try to impose your will on opposing viewpoints, and use any legal, or quasi-legal way to do it (House and Senate Rules.) Others may just call it politics.
True evil will manifest itself on society, and it cares not the identity/class/party of the victim…there is no intent, simply an action. It is perpetrated by a reprehensibly obscene persona, in most cases, a sociopath. So, in a sense, Rick is right. However, many in opposition feel it is necessary to villify in order to explain their separation.
As conservatives, we try to distinguish the difference between our positions, and those of the left. Liberals, for some reason, seem unable to create logic without employing the use of emotion. It may be that their positions are so weak they have no choice but to distract.
Rick,
Agreed with 99% except for:
I will never see the thugs who beat a woman nearly to death “Americans”.
I will never look a a Senator who wants to impeach a President during a time of war an “American”.
Actors who kiss Hugo’s butt? Nope!
The list of non-Americans can go on and on but suffice to say that these three groups top my list and I dare say, most of the people who post here would agree.
I am sure that Durbin and Murtha are devoted to their families too, but that doesn’t mean they should get a pass for their horrific defaming of the military. In an instance such as this, it is the record of these people doing their job in Congress that should be viewed as more important, not whether they love their families. After what Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, Murtha and many, many others have done to harm the military in so many different ways, I find it impossible to give Nancy Pelosi the benefit of the doubt of not having an ulterior motive when she called the grieving parent of a fallen hero. IMO, Pelosi is nothing short of despicable. Frankly, I don’t know how she had the gall to make the call after all the things she has done as Speaker.
Members of Code Pink are Americans but I hardly call their behavior pro-American. There are many US citizens out there working against our country’s interests including the New York Times which loves to print classified information that hurts and endangers our war on terror efforts. It might be more to the point to remind people such as these and those who want us to lose the war because they hate Bush, that they are Americans.
Well said.
Thanks
To add:
…and what an American is.
Example: fallen Hero Sgt. Eddie Jeffers
Simply put—Nancy Pelosi is a fraud! The party she represents is a fraud! Remember, she is from San Francisco, the home of the most liberal leaning contingent in America, except maybe a few of the the little states on the East Coast.
Ted Kennedy, Schumer, Pelosi, these people are all disgusting and you cannot believe a word they speak! Reid–another slime ball! They are liberal and when you remember and think liberal you have to think Anti-American!
Yes, you have me! I hate liberalism! They will get us killed and they are not sincere. Especially when it comes to supporting the military and the troops! They really are vested in defeatism. She should be ashamed calling the parents of the brave soldier. In my opinion, she can’t be believed based on her record.
After reading comment #20 by LGM, I was going to ask after reaching the end of comments WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? but after reading all the additional comments, most of which addressed LGM, asking was no longer necessary. Barbara Boxer used to be my favorite politician to despise, but she is far down the list well below Pelosi, Murtha and their ilk. P.S. I live in California
I get what you’re saying, Rick, and your heart’s in the right place.
For me it’s just hard to forget that with the leftists, everything is about politics. I’ll give Pukelousy credit for calling Mr. Jeffers, but I’m not sure how I should. Was it actual courage, or just plain unmitigated gall?
IMO, unmitigated gall.
Rick Moran,
Although I respect your opinion regarding Pelosi still being an American and having done some decent things in the past, I can not agree with you on this one for several reasons.
1. To my knowledge she has never before called any other family that has lost their loved one in battle … if so I have never heard about it … and I am positive she would have made sure we heard about it … can you prove me wrong on that? … can you show me another family that she called? … If so I will consider giving her the benefit of the doubt.
2. If she was really sincere then, as I noted earlier, why did it take her 3 1/2 months to make the phone call? … the excessive length of time between SSgt Jeffers death and her offering her condolences seems extreme and in my view lessens its value …
3. I also find myself doubting her by he fact that she chose a “well publicized” soldier’s family to call … not the family of someone that has been lost in the war that was just doing their job and serving their country in time of war … instead she chose to call someone that she could make some political points off of the call … and that bothers me tremendously.
4. President Bush has called many families and had many of them to the White house and often makes it a point when he speaks at a military base to try to meet with families who have lost someone in the GWOT … and he does not make it a point to tell the MSM in order to get headlines … his sincerity in these meetings is well documented.
5. Pelosi may have meant well, but this family had already dealt with the news of the death, the emotions associated with that, the funeral, the media, and had begun to accept life without their loved one … now they are back in the news again … not to honor SSgt Jeffers and his family for their loss … but to answer questions about Pelosi’s phone call.
6. The overall timing smacks of Pelosi trying to put forward an image of supporting and caring for the troops she has spent years trying to emasculate … her tacit support of the enemy through her actions in Congress speaks volumes to me … and her “too little – too late” efforts can not overcome that.
7. Why has the MSM basically gone silent on the GWOT … simple … because we are winning … we are winning despite the media attempting to tell the world otherwise … we are winning in spite of the fact that the Pelosi and Reid Dems in Congress have done their damnedest to ensure our defeat … they have tried to pull the funding, micro-manage the war, force early troop withdrawals, and more … in my eyes they have the blood of SSgt Jeffers and thousands of others on their hands.
So Rick, in spite of my respect for you and your opinions … I can not and will not at this time give Pelosi a free pass on this.
It’s really up to Mr. Jeffers to decide if he felt is was a sincere call. I guess it’s one of those calls you need to accept and not just hang up on her like she was a telemarketer for grape nuts or something. I’ll go ahead and throw my two cents in and say it was indeed sincere the holidays have a way of bringing a persons emotions to a forefront and maybe she was just catching up on some of her items that needed addressing. The ‘American’ topic of this thread is quite simple, just add a hyphen before it and any adjective, verb or noun you wish.
i.e. crapweasel-American.
Wow DL, great post. While I love what you said, I am still with Rick on this one (and not just to suck up).
The word of GOD says; no man knows the heart of a man except GOD. In the spirit of that, I am going to give Pelosi the benefit of the doubt because:
1. It is the Christmas season.
2. She wanted to honor and honorable man and HE WAS an honorable man.
3. As a conservative, I have to say it was a good call. As conservatives, we cannot demonize everything a liberal does. I DO NOT like Pelosi one bit but, I can give her a phone call, even a day.
4. Time will tell if she did this as a grandstanding moment. When that happens, MM, Rick, the blogs… will be the first to expose it.
I not in the habit of defending the troll’s but the fact is if Rick and Michelle banned lgm just because they disagree with his opinion then who’s next, lgm has the right to have his opinion wrong or right he is stating his belief’s and no one should be ban because they have a different opinion. Just think of him as the devil’s advocate here.
lgm what bother’s me about this post is that you never acknowleged the sacrifice Sgt Jeffer’s has made wether you agree or not he did give his life for what he believed in and should be acknowledged for that fact alone. Pardon me I do apologize for my traitor post as I said above you do have the right to your opinion although I do disagree with it.
Darn it Rick your just like my wife the voice of reason, your right I’m sure most of the politician’s are good human being’s in this respect and I guess we will have to respect that seperating the political from the personal.
aj and soap …
Morning …
First … I just re-read my post and for some reason I kept typing SSGT instead of SGT … guess I figured he had earned a promotion.
I understand and respect your views on this … but you both already know that … I do not claim to be omniscient … I can only offer my view of all of this tempered by the past actions of Pelosi and the Dems in respect to the GWOT.
Mr Jeffers has my total respect for not losing his cool during the phone call in the first place … that fact tells volumes about where this young hero got his values from.
Time will tell about the sincerity of the phone call … if I am proven wrong it won’t be the first time … nor the last … however I don’t expect to see any change in Dem efforts to undermine the troops and their efforts in the GWOT …
Blind_Mule,
If it were but one post – agreed. lgm is a constant source of insults beginning with Michelle and now, the President.
Frankly I, along with others, am/are sick to death of his snipe attacks – coming in, saying something (often off topic, off color, insulting) and then leaving.
Make a valid point and be prepared to back it up (like most of us).
lgm IS entitled to an opinion. If he would move beyond insults and stupid remarks, we would all love it. BuckI and I seldom agreed and I miss him. At least he made intelligent, on topic remarks and then, debated and stood his ground.
“Bush killed this kid” was stupid, without merit, insulting and hurtful (if said directly to the parents.
No, you hit the nail on the head the first time around.
On my soap box
I just like typing that all out LOL
Point taken I agree he does snipe much of the time and I rarley if ever agree with him on anything but he is giving all of us insight into the mind set of the left’s twisted thought processes. Like you and I’ve said before liberal’s can’t rap there mind’s around logical thought when it come’s to most thing’s they listen to the MSM’s,lefty source’s and regurgitate it every time they open their mouth’s not looking at all aspect’s of an issue I on the other hand make an effort to look at all side’s all opinion’s before I logically come up with my own opinion on a subject.
Nancy Pelosi should get a pass on this one. I don’t agree with her views on anything but if she wants to make a sympathy phone call to the parents of a fallen soldier, I will accept is as genuine and it seems to be a genuinely kind gesture. If the parents of the fallen soldier are OK with it, that should be the end of it. We can disagree with Nancy Pelosi on all the political issues but we should grant her the inate human ability to feel grief and sorrow at the loss of a wonderful young man. I don’t doubt for a minute that Nancy Pelosi has the capacity for feeling genuine sorrow. Liberals have forever been denying the basic humanity and decency of centrists and conservatives. It’s important not to stoop to that level. However, I would make an exception for the Clintons. If the Clintons made the phone call, I would recognize it as a phny gesture. Narcissism prevents the Clintons from having the normal human emotions that most of us have.
Oh, maybe that’s because Bush genuinely supports the troops. As for Pelosi and her gang of idiots ‘trying to stop it’: Yeah lets give the bitch and her minions credit where it’s due: being pro-terrorist asshats, a mouthpiece for Bin Laden, and a good mention in his videos.
GFY, sweetpea.
I think that the gesture was sincere, but that is not where I judge the act. It is simply a matter of having no credibility for a compassionate point of view in her case. I feel that because of the defeatest attitude and actions by Pelosi and others, that the enemy has been emboldened. Which may have directly led to the death of this and many other soldiers and Iraqi civilians.
For those of you giving queen piglosi the benefit of the doubt, please remember her introducing the Armenian Genocide recognition bill. Now, this bill has been on the table for years and years with no attempt by either side to do anything about it. We rely on Turkey for major logistical support in both Iraq and Afghanistan (Incirlik AB Turkey). queen piglosi was quite aware of how sensitive this issue is in Turkey yet she CHOSE to introduce this bill just as the war effort was starting to shift. She was FULLY aware of what her actions would do and voila, the Turks reacted as she expected. She purposely introduced the bill to undermine Turkey’s support. Thankfully, President Bush has been able to keep the Turks from pulling permission to use Incirlik AB as a logistical hub, but queen piglosi has aggravated a needed ally with the sole intention of hurting the war effort. So give her the benefit of the doubt if you want, but her actions speak volumes as to how she feels about our troops. To her, they are XB3 (supply code), expendable assets in her battle to destroy President Bush. She is not just anti-military, she is a traitor. Keep it in mind.
Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF
To ProudGulfWarVet65:
Thanks for the pic. I copied it and tried using it to scare away the Blue Jays. Unfortunately, they loved it. Apparently, like the fiberals, they really are all mouth and *ss like my old DI in basic training used to say.
BTW: I agree with not dropping lgm on his/her/its head to keep from commenting. That would make us as bad as the worms he represents. (Sorry ’bout the insult worms, but I had to make some kind of comparison.)
Happy New Year to All. I hope it’s the best ever for everyone.
Words from Pelosi come as calculated and deceitful. Look at the house built by her party? What are the fruits of the defeatists that have nothing but outward contempt for our troops? From the same mouths that call them murderers, they call for us to not question their patriotism. They hold up funding and play games with the lives of those men and women. Not only the military, but the civilian contractors too. They encourage our enemies with their words, and moreso their actions. Islamo-terrorists have probably gotten more encouragement from the words and actions of Nancy Pelosi and the Dhimmicrats in Congress (include Ron Paul) than they have gotten from the release of a posthumous Bin Laden tape.
Hollow words from a shallow, petty person (Pelosi). David Jeffers should be commended for being so civil.
On-my-soap-box said (#76):
lgm did not say this, but that’s what you read no matter what he/she writes. You cannot deny that but for the Bush decision to invade Iraq (which Pelosi, alas, did not oppose), the kid would still be alive, in all likelihood.
You can call me stupid all day, but at least I can read.
“….but at least I can read.”
It’s the comprehension that gives you fits, eh?
Pelosi and her fellow travelers encourage the enemy with their words and actions. She is traitorous at worst, or a self serving political hack at best. Take your pick.
Sorry. Is this better? Is that all? I said more and you take issue with a misquote which did not change the substance of your post?
You do not even know your gender? Even I know you are a male. Bush got the kid killed (great grammar from a teacher BTW) vs. Bush killed this kid. Same – same.
ROFL – I don’t have to call you stupid (and I said what you said was stupid). You want me to deny something that “in all likelihood” might or might not have happened? ROFLMHO.
This young man may or may not be alive today for many reasons. You still have not made mention of the GREAT sacrifice this young man made for his country or the fact that he is an American Hero! Why is that bothersome for you? Would it mean you have to agree with Pelosi’s position? Clintons? The majority of Democrat Congresspersons who knew more and know more than you or I about the information they had at the time?
One more time because I know it is hard for you to comprehend.
1. Bush DID not make the decision alone. The Congress voted OVERWHELMINGLY to go into Iraq.
2. This fine young man gave his life for a cause he believed in – he sacrificed his life for others (no greater love).
3. What you are saying is hurtful. Would you walk up to this HERO’S parents and say this? If so, well…
Rick, others have expressed a multitude of reactions to your points and hopefully I’m not repeating anything.
Absolutely right, but every situation is different, and when dealing with extremes, like you find with Pelosi, the grey area begins to shrink. I think her politics, as strongly held as they are, absolutely represent the kind of person she is: calculating, anti-military, pro-socialist in the extreme, and it’s the extremes that matter. otherwise, I’d be happy to sail along with your notable magnanominity .
In the unconscionable MSM world we live in I’d just say three words: “consider the source”. According to press reports Hillary – in a fine moment of domestic bliss – made eggs for her daughter even though she herself vowed not to stay home and bake cookies, etc etc etc.
Another quote: “even Hitler had a girlfriend.” Not sure I know anything about her charity work, but once again, the words of the woman herself and the words said about her appear to be at odds regarding her character.
In our MSM world, this sounds like a quote liberals should be saying about conservatives. Sure there are good democrats out there, like Lieberman, for example, who, while still way left, nevertheless appears driven by belief and conscience more than raw political motivation. Thanks to people like Pelosi herself, politics has gotten very dirty indeed, though politics have always been dirty. Yes, Pelosi is a person, too. the question is what kind of person? Not one who by virture of the character displayed in her political speeches and posturing could be considered a nice one, stories about her character or no.
Once again, that depends on the person. Each situation is different. There have been plentyof famous evil politicians. They hung one in iraq this year. I won’t go so far as to say I believe Pelosi is evil, but she sure has hell hasn’t been honest about well-meaning traditional conservatives, no matter how many times she kisses her Grandkids. However, if she works hard for a good few years to reverse her former positions and proved by virtue of that hard work that she’s turned over a new leaf, I’ll be the first to support her in all her endeavors – and any belated calls she makes to the families of fallen soldiers.
Once again, what did you read and more specifically where did you read it? (a rhetorical question, unless you want to pick upon it)
One thing I’ll say Rick: from this post of yours here, no one can say you aren’t generous of spirit to what assumes are those you consider political adversaries. With all due respect I’m not sure I concur with the wisdom, but the generosity is there to a fault.
Happy New Year.
Did you forget Afhganistan he could have just as easily been KIA there.
You can blame Bush all you want, we went to war with the permission of Democrat’s as well as Republican’s. So tell me lgm which one of the Democrat’s are you willing to blame for his death.
I’ve met Pelosi once. She ain’t nice! I asked one of the Capitol Police that was traveling with her what they thought about her. The response I got was “Please don’t ask me that” (he then looked over his shoulder as if she might turn him into a newt or something and said) “Isn’t it obvious?” The whole time she stood there with a sour look on her face looking like she just ate a bug. She had the personality of a Dalek. I kept expecting to hear her to start screaming “EX-TER-MI-NATE!” “EX-TER-MI-NATE!”
Fasternu 426,
There are many Dr Who references which apply to the Democrats. How many can you count?