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	<title>Comments on: Bush pushes Hillarycare for housing again</title>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; Lame Duck Watch: President Bush &#8220;exploring economic stimulus package&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/bush-pushes-hillarycare-for-housing-again/comment-page-1/#comment-208733</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; Lame Duck Watch: President Bush &#8220;exploring economic stimulus package&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with the White House looking for a legacy, the subprime crisis exploding, and &#8220;bipartisan consensus&#8221; in demand&#8211;there&#8217;s no way in hell any &#8220;economic stimulus&#8221; package [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with the White House looking for a legacy, the subprime crisis exploding, and &#8220;bipartisan consensus&#8221; in demand&#8211;there&#8217;s no way in hell any &#8220;economic stimulus&#8221; package [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mike volpe</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/bush-pushes-hillarycare-for-housing-again/comment-page-1/#comment-207909</link>
		<dc:creator>mike volpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I am about to say comes from a mortgage professional however it is only this one professional. there is absolutely no consensus in my business on this point.

That said, all of these so called bailouts are in my opinion totally worthless. I believe that most of these folks not only bought over their heads but refinanced one or more times tapping equity to perpetuated the problem. There is no fix for them because there is no loan unless the government mandates 150% Loan to Value loans. &lt;a href=&quot;http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2008/01/my-favorite-shakespeare-line-mortgage.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Here is how I wrote about it.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I am about to say comes from a mortgage professional however it is only this one professional. there is absolutely no consensus in my business on this point.</p>
<p>That said, all of these so called bailouts are in my opinion totally worthless. I believe that most of these folks not only bought over their heads but refinanced one or more times tapping equity to perpetuated the problem. There is no fix for them because there is no loan unless the government mandates 150% Loan to Value loans. <a href="http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2008/01/my-favorite-shakespeare-line-mortgage.html" rel="nofollow"> Here is how I wrote about it.</a></p>
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		<title>By: beenthere</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/bush-pushes-hillarycare-for-housing-again/comment-page-1/#comment-207631</link>
		<dc:creator>beenthere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how far Bush will be able to go with this housing bailout, or whatever people wish to call it.  For one thing, it would be far better for the Democrats to allow this situation to steadily deteriorate while Bush is still in office.  Seriously, why would the dems want to work with the Republicans on this given the risks that the plans, whatever they are, backfire badly on them both?  I think the Republicans are all on their own on this one.  Think government intervention will makes matters worse in any event?  All too likely.  

Bush may be able to do something on his own, to be sure, but I seriously doubt congress will be willing to help.  What a fiasco and to an extent, though there is plenty of blame  to go around, the Republicans deserve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how far Bush will be able to go with this housing bailout, or whatever people wish to call it.  For one thing, it would be far better for the Democrats to allow this situation to steadily deteriorate while Bush is still in office.  Seriously, why would the dems want to work with the Republicans on this given the risks that the plans, whatever they are, backfire badly on them both?  I think the Republicans are all on their own on this one.  Think government intervention will makes matters worse in any event?  All too likely.  </p>
<p>Bush may be able to do something on his own, to be sure, but I seriously doubt congress will be willing to help.  What a fiasco and to an extent, though there is plenty of blame  to go around, the Republicans deserve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Soldier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calls to the RNC - The various state RCs and to our elected officials worked against amnesty. Let&#039;s do it now.

I know that Kyle of AZ was the only one who voted against bail-out - however - it&#039;s never too late to express our chagrin that the $$$$ of responsible citizens (that would be me and thee) are being used to bail out irresponsible people and big corporate banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calls to the RNC &#8211; The various state RCs and to our elected officials worked against amnesty. Let&#8217;s do it now.</p>
<p>I know that Kyle of AZ was the only one who voted against bail-out &#8211; however &#8211; it&#8217;s never too late to express our chagrin that the $$$$ of responsible citizens (that would be me and thee) are being used to bail out irresponsible people and big corporate banks.</p>
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		<title>By: mike volpe</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/bush-pushes-hillarycare-for-housing-again/comment-page-1/#comment-207543</link>
		<dc:creator>mike volpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nbarry,

you would be dangerous if you had any power. How exactly would this cap work and how would you set it? Do you know what happens whenever there is a cap on anything? It creates a situation where supply doesn&#039;t meet demand.

We have a cap here in Illinois on mortgage interest rates, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2007/12/illinois-high-cost-and-my-favorite.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here is what happens when it is applied&lt;/a&gt;

When the government steps in and determines caps on a private transaction, we are one step closer to socialism.

The real problem is too many folks like you with no understanding of what happens or is happening proposing things they shouldn&#039;t propose. Yours is harmless since it is thrown out on a message board where it can be analyzed. Others have a great deal of harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nbarry,</p>
<p>you would be dangerous if you had any power. How exactly would this cap work and how would you set it? Do you know what happens whenever there is a cap on anything? It creates a situation where supply doesn&#8217;t meet demand.</p>
<p>We have a cap here in Illinois on mortgage interest rates, and <a href="http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2007/12/illinois-high-cost-and-my-favorite.html" rel="nofollow"> here is what happens when it is applied</a></p>
<p>When the government steps in and determines caps on a private transaction, we are one step closer to socialism.</p>
<p>The real problem is too many folks like you with no understanding of what happens or is happening proposing things they shouldn&#8217;t propose. Yours is harmless since it is thrown out on a message board where it can be analyzed. Others have a great deal of harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Bogtrotter</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/bush-pushes-hillarycare-for-housing-again/comment-page-1/#comment-207521</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogtrotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought a house about three years ago. I was certainly prime fodder for low (initially) interest predatory lenders. But I went with a VA loan thorough a large, well known bank (Rymes with &quot;Hells. LOL!). Bought an existing house 20 years old and began making the needed repairs myself. Paid a little higher rate, sure, but 10 years from now I will still be in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a house about three years ago. I was certainly prime fodder for low (initially) interest predatory lenders. But I went with a VA loan thorough a large, well known bank (Rymes with &#8220;Hells. LOL!). Bought an existing house 20 years old and began making the needed repairs myself. Paid a little higher rate, sure, but 10 years from now I will still be in it.</p>
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		<title>By: graysonret</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/bush-pushes-hillarycare-for-housing-again/comment-page-1/#comment-207512</link>
		<dc:creator>graysonret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I&#039;ve seen, 95% of homeowners pay their mortgages. Not much of a &quot;crisis&quot;, I see. But, many people these days want a parent state, a nanny state, to take care of all their problems and woes. The Soviet Union was good for that.  Of course, we see Cuba &quot;succeeding&quot;.  Anyone hear anything coming out of Sweden...besides the high suicide rate? The Constitution has been downgraded to nothing more than an &quot;oh,ah&quot; piece of parchment at the Archives. Other than that, it&#039;s ignored or misinterpeted for political gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I&#8217;ve seen, 95% of homeowners pay their mortgages. Not much of a &#8220;crisis&#8221;, I see. But, many people these days want a parent state, a nanny state, to take care of all their problems and woes. The Soviet Union was good for that.  Of course, we see Cuba &#8220;succeeding&#8221;.  Anyone hear anything coming out of Sweden&#8230;besides the high suicide rate? The Constitution has been downgraded to nothing more than an &#8220;oh,ah&#8221; piece of parchment at the Archives. Other than that, it&#8217;s ignored or misinterpeted for political gain.</p>
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		<title>By: amigoneus</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/bush-pushes-hillarycare-for-housing-again/comment-page-1/#comment-207498</link>
		<dc:creator>amigoneus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A second initiative could help ease a credit crunch for many middle- and upper-middle-income borrowers, in part by allowing government-sponsored mortgage companies such as Fannie Mae to securitize more large loans. Currently, those companies can’t take on loans with values of more than $417,000. &quot;

Holy cow.  I&#039;m securily in the middle class and wouldn&#039;t dream of trying to buy a home for that much.  Maybe, just maybe (heavy sarcasm here) that&#039;s the real problem.  People buying more house than they can afford.  On second thought, is that really sarcasm or just being observant and smart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A second initiative could help ease a credit crunch for many middle- and upper-middle-income borrowers, in part by allowing government-sponsored mortgage companies such as Fannie Mae to securitize more large loans. Currently, those companies can’t take on loans with values of more than $417,000. &#8221;</p>
<p>Holy cow.  I&#8217;m securily in the middle class and wouldn&#8217;t dream of trying to buy a home for that much.  Maybe, just maybe (heavy sarcasm here) that&#8217;s the real problem.  People buying more house than they can afford.  On second thought, is that really sarcasm or just being observant and smart?</p>
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		<title>By: Papa Louie</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/bush-pushes-hillarycare-for-housing-again/comment-page-1/#comment-207467</link>
		<dc:creator>Papa Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The housing crisis affects more than irresponsible lenders and home buyers.  I hope none of you lose your job and have to relocate during this downturn.  You&#039;ll find it very difficult to find a buyer at any price in most markets. Many responsible homeowners will be hurt by the collateral damage from the housing crisis.

I&#039;m not calling for a taxpayer funded bailout, but there are other ways to help ease the crisis.  I appreciate what President Bush has done to get major lenders together and voluntarily work out ways to help keep families in their homes and avoid foreclosure.  Every home that is foreclosed on goes back on the market and puts downward pressure on the value of your home and my home.  Lenders are beginning to realize that deferring higher interest rates on stressed homeowners may be better for their stockholders than foreclosing and selling homes at a loss.

Just as there is a big difference between privately run health insurance and government run Hillarycare, there is also a big difference between  voluntary measures and a government bailout.  We need to distinguish between the two and not throw the baby out with the bath water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The housing crisis affects more than irresponsible lenders and home buyers.  I hope none of you lose your job and have to relocate during this downturn.  You&#8217;ll find it very difficult to find a buyer at any price in most markets. Many responsible homeowners will be hurt by the collateral damage from the housing crisis.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not calling for a taxpayer funded bailout, but there are other ways to help ease the crisis.  I appreciate what President Bush has done to get major lenders together and voluntarily work out ways to help keep families in their homes and avoid foreclosure.  Every home that is foreclosed on goes back on the market and puts downward pressure on the value of your home and my home.  Lenders are beginning to realize that deferring higher interest rates on stressed homeowners may be better for their stockholders than foreclosing and selling homes at a loss.</p>
<p>Just as there is a big difference between privately run health insurance and government run Hillarycare, there is also a big difference between  voluntary measures and a government bailout.  We need to distinguish between the two and not throw the baby out with the bath water.</p>
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		<title>By: gandolphxx</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/bush-pushes-hillarycare-for-housing-again/comment-page-1/#comment-207465</link>
		<dc:creator>gandolphxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is way past time for Republicans and conservatives to realize that GWBush is not a very good president - he is a RINO in the worst way - each thing he does right he immediately screws something else up - enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is way past time for Republicans and conservatives to realize that GWBush is not a very good president &#8211; he is a RINO in the worst way &#8211; each thing he does right he immediately screws something else up &#8211; enough!</p>
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		<title>By: bloghooligan</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/02/bush-pushes-hillarycare-for-housing-again/comment-page-1/#comment-207457</link>
		<dc:creator>bloghooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, this isn&#039;t hillarycare for homeowners.  hillarycare actually calls for the gov&#039;t to spend money.  this does not.

there&#039;s a reason Citi is willing to take more losses to back Bush&#039;s plan - it&#039;s not about the homeowners, it&#039;s about the market.

the market right now is in flux specifically because of housing woes.  this is a means to ease investors moreso than homeowners.  the fact that banks will most likely force borrowers to be perfect citizens (Bush has also stated that a rate freeze would only be for borrowers in good standing) in order to benefit from the freeze in interest rates should be reassuring to us.  but massive sell offs are hurting the entire market - not just the housing market - because of these subprime loans.

but somehow, the ripple effect&#039;s got to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, this isn&#8217;t hillarycare for homeowners.  hillarycare actually calls for the gov&#8217;t to spend money.  this does not.</p>
<p>there&#8217;s a reason Citi is willing to take more losses to back Bush&#8217;s plan &#8211; it&#8217;s not about the homeowners, it&#8217;s about the market.</p>
<p>the market right now is in flux specifically because of housing woes.  this is a means to ease investors moreso than homeowners.  the fact that banks will most likely force borrowers to be perfect citizens (Bush has also stated that a rate freeze would only be for borrowers in good standing) in order to benefit from the freeze in interest rates should be reassuring to us.  but massive sell offs are hurting the entire market &#8211; not just the housing market &#8211; because of these subprime loans.</p>
<p>but somehow, the ripple effect&#8217;s got to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: nbarry</title>
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		<dc:creator>nbarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This problem should never have been allowed to develop in the first place. God knows how much money we&#039;ve thrown away on the care and feeding of economic advisors, the Fed, the Treasury Department and the Commerce Department, and not one of them had a clue that this was coming? The problem with these official proposals is that they amount to unfair, band-aid remedies for deeper dysfunctions. I propose a statutory cap on all interest rates across the board, especially credit cards, applicable to all borrowers, including those who conscientiously make all their timely payments, and ban all the snake-oil practices in the lending industry: no adjustible rates, no teaser rates, no arbitrariness of any kind. The objective is to give borrowers a fighting chance at paying off their principal and forcing lenders to be more responsible in extending credit. And an interest cap shouldn&#039;t cost the taxpayers one dollar. Oh yes, the real estate market should never under any circumstances be left in the hands of hedge fund hotshots and high rollers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This problem should never have been allowed to develop in the first place. God knows how much money we&#8217;ve thrown away on the care and feeding of economic advisors, the Fed, the Treasury Department and the Commerce Department, and not one of them had a clue that this was coming? The problem with these official proposals is that they amount to unfair, band-aid remedies for deeper dysfunctions. I propose a statutory cap on all interest rates across the board, especially credit cards, applicable to all borrowers, including those who conscientiously make all their timely payments, and ban all the snake-oil practices in the lending industry: no adjustible rates, no teaser rates, no arbitrariness of any kind. The objective is to give borrowers a fighting chance at paying off their principal and forcing lenders to be more responsible in extending credit. And an interest cap shouldn&#8217;t cost the taxpayers one dollar. Oh yes, the real estate market should never under any circumstances be left in the hands of hedge fund hotshots and high rollers.</p>
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		<title>By: davidleerothmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidleerothmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can we utilize General David Petraeus for straightening out this matter as well? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can we just elect Gen. Petraeus as a write in candidate? Here is a man too smart, sane, and virtuous to seek the office of President, and that is exactly why he should BE President!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can we utilize General David Petraeus for straightening out this matter as well? </p></blockquote>
<p>Can we just elect Gen. Petraeus as a write in candidate? Here is a man too smart, sane, and virtuous to seek the office of President, and that is exactly why he should BE President!</p>
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		<title>By: meatpieandtatters</title>
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		<dc:creator>meatpieandtatters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last time I checked Ron Paul wasn&#039;t pandering like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last time I checked Ron Paul wasn&#8217;t pandering like this.</p>
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		<title>By: mike volpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike volpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one more thing I will point out. In the story that Michelle wrote, there is a quote that said Bush was responding to public sentiment.

That is fine he is a politician and relies on the voters. The Fed is selected not elected exactly so that the Fed DOES NOT respond to public sentiment, and yet that is exactly what the Fed did when they rolled out their own plan.

Frankly, I have analyzed each of the plans, Hillary&#039;s, Obama&#039;s, H.R. 3915, Bush&#039;s plan, and the plan from the Fed, and the fed may have the worst plan and certainly no better than anyone else.

It is one thing for politicians to propose ridiculous legislation on mortgages. They don&#039;t know any better. 

One would think the Fed would know better and you would all be wrong.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2007/12/fed-weighs-in-on-mortgages.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Here is my analysis of the Fed&#039;s plan.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one more thing I will point out. In the story that Michelle wrote, there is a quote that said Bush was responding to public sentiment.</p>
<p>That is fine he is a politician and relies on the voters. The Fed is selected not elected exactly so that the Fed DOES NOT respond to public sentiment, and yet that is exactly what the Fed did when they rolled out their own plan.</p>
<p>Frankly, I have analyzed each of the plans, Hillary&#8217;s, Obama&#8217;s, H.R. 3915, Bush&#8217;s plan, and the plan from the Fed, and the fed may have the worst plan and certainly no better than anyone else.</p>
<p>It is one thing for politicians to propose ridiculous legislation on mortgages. They don&#8217;t know any better. </p>
<p>One would think the Fed would know better and you would all be wrong.</p>
<p><a href="http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2007/12/fed-weighs-in-on-mortgages.html" rel="nofollow"> Here is my analysis of the Fed&#8217;s plan.</a></p>
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